当人在任何时候任何环境任何情况下只做对的事不做错的事 That''s another reason why I look up to God. I have realized that I cannot overcome my limit as a human without having faith in God. I have made mistakes in life and believing in God was my first step towards redemption. doorsopen 发表于 2020-11-03 13:44
That's interesting. May I ask how you form your own judgement and opinions? Your information must come from somewhere too. doorsopen 发表于 2020-11-03 13:54
这个说法是不是有点欠妥,最高院在Bush v. Gore 都没提这方面证据,当时majority反对的是这种重数选票的糟糕的先例,完全乱了美国选举的章法。您说的这个抓现行又是从何谈起? Stoneroses 发表于 2020-11-03 14:00
Britannica 是这么说的 According to Florida law, a machine recount of all votes cast was required because the margin of victory was less than 0.5%. In this race, the gap appeared to be roughly 0.01%. Both campaigns immediately dispatch team of lawyers to Florida
Britannica 是这么说的 According to Florida law, a machine recount of all votes cast was required because the margin of victory was less than 0.5%. In this race, the gap appeared to be roughly 0.01%. Both campaigns immediately dispatch team of lawyers to Florida CleverBeaver 发表于 2020-11-03 14:07
Good idea. I think you get paid working at the polling stations? Or to help with campaign by knocking on doors?Or volunteer in other occasions in general. Christmas is coming, many organizations need volunteers and donations.
回复 188楼xiaohuli8485的帖子 这说明投票点的大妈非常负责任。 如果这个人的mail-in和in person都被算数了,他一个人就两票,违反了一人一票。这种情况,是他自己没经验,如果mail in,就应该提早。如果现场投,就不该申请absentee ballot。小兄弟就当学习了,等四年再投一次吧。 顺手Google了一下absentee ballot rule,参见 https://www.usa.gov/absentee-voting You might be able to vote in person on Election Day, even if you received a mail-in ballot. Every state has different rules, so check with your state or local election office for the specific procedures. Typically: You’ll take your absentee ballot to your designated polling place on Election Day. Your polling place may change, especially during the coronavirus pandemic. Check your polling place’s location before you go. Depending on your state's rules, you might exchange your uncast absentee ballot for an in-person ballot, or complete your absentee ballot and hand it in, or cast a provisional ballot. If you forget to bring your absentee ballot with you, you may be able to cast a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are counted once your election officials verify your voter status.
Good idea. I think you get paid working at the polling stations? Or to help with campaign by knocking on doors?Or volunteer in other occasions in general. Christmas is coming, many organizations need volunteers and donations. doorsopen 发表于 2020-11-03 14:16
Britannica 是这么说的 According to Florida law, a machine recount of all votes cast was required because the margin of victory was less than 0.5%. In this race, the gap appeared to be roughly 0.01%. Both campaigns immediately dispatch team of lawyers to Florida CleverBeaver 发表于 2020-11-03 14:07
哦,这里不是投票作弊的意思,而是说佛罗里达州的法律规定,如果两党票数差额小于0.5%, 那么就要进行一次机读的重新数票。在Bush v. Gore这个case里,两候选人之间的选票差额极小,相差票数按照比例大概只有0.01%的区别,按照佛州的法律,可以机器重数,但是此举遭到布什反对上诉,因为重数这个过程会有很多未知数,也会增加新的人为操纵的可能,如果输了就重数,就没完没了,坏了规矩。高院的决定是不应该重数。这个case,并没有说布什和共和党作弊的意思。 倒是川总一直提到的voter fraud,说是因为有的州投票不看photo id,导致一些没有投票资格的人,比如非移,可以盗用他人voter身份来投票,甚至有些投票人竟然是已经去世的人。但是目前这种传说中的投票欺诈,还只是江湖传说,具体哪里有证据还没听说过。
哦,这里不是投票作弊的意思,而是说佛罗里达州的法律规定,如果两党票数差额小于0.5%, 那么就要进行一次机读的重新数票。在Bush v. Gore这个case里,两候选人之间的选票差额极小,相差票数按照比例大概只有0.01%的区别,按照佛州的法律,可以机器重数,但是此举遭到布什反对上诉,因为重数这个过程会有很多未知数,也会增加新的人为操纵的可能,如果输了就重数,就没完没了,坏了规矩。高院的决定是不应该重数。这个case,并没有说布什和共和党作弊的意思。 倒是川总一直提到的voter fraud,说是因为有的州投票不看photo id,导致一些没有投票资格的人,比如非移,可以盗用他人voter身份来投票,甚至有些投票人竟然是已经去世的人。但是目前这种传说中的投票欺诈,还只是江湖传说,具体哪里有证据还没听说过。
Stoneroses 发表于 2020-11-03 14:59
有的州投票不看photo id Who does that? I am indeed curious how they deal witht the situation where the reigstered voter requested the mail in ballot but died or gone missing before able to vote. Sometimes, death certificates do not get filed in time.
回复 1楼Seeking668的帖子 A judge ordered the U.S. Postal Service to sweep some mail processing facilities for delayed ballots and immediately dispatch them for delivery in election battlegrounds including Pennsylvania, Florida and Arizona https://reut.rs/389a44k
有的州投票不看photo id Who does that? I am indeed curious how they deal witht the situation where the reigstered voter requested the mail in ballot but died or gone missing before able to vote. Sometimes, death certificates do not get filed in time. doorsopen 发表于 2020-11-03 15:08
从维基百科搬运一下,发现大加州居然连id都不要看?贴这里,多方求证一下 The National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL) provides a web page and a map with ID requirements for voting in each state.[19] In states with strict ID laws, the voter is required to take additional action after the provisional ballot is cast to verify ID. The NCSL website describes strict states as follows:
In the "strict" states, a voter cannot cast a valid ballot without first presenting ID. Voters who are unable to show ID at the polls are given a provisional ballot. Those provisional ballots are kept separate from the regular ballots. If the voter returns to election officials within a short period of time after the election (generally a few days) and presents acceptable ID, the provisional ballot is counted. If the voter does not come back to show ID, that provisional ballot is never counted.[20]
从维基百科搬运一下,发现大加州居然连id都不要看?贴这里,多方求证一下 The National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL) provides a web page and a map with ID requirements for voting in each state.[19] In states with strict ID laws, the voter is required to take additional action after the provisional ballot is cast to verify ID. The NCSL website describes strict states as follows:
In the "strict" states, a voter cannot cast a valid ballot without first presenting ID. Voters who are unable to show ID at the polls are given a provisional ballot. Those provisional ballots are kept separate from the regular ballots. If the voter returns to election officials within a short period of time after the election (generally a few days) and presents acceptable ID, the provisional ballot is counted. If the voter does not come back to show ID, that provisional ballot is never counted.[20]
我觉得人性里的善与恶从来都不是非黑既白,都是个scale,即使公认的好人也会有恶的一面,然后各种变态杀人狂也许也有善的一面,但温和良性的社会环境不会把人性恶的一面逼出来做为赖以生存的工具。
写得好
看民主党这四年的表现,的确不能指望他们能合心抗疫。 把党派之争凌驾于国家利益国民利益之上,大部分人都看得见。
但是你的信仰不见得就是真理
历史进程就是one step forward, two steps backward的
所以这次的结果无论怎样 也都是历史洪流里的一小步罢了
zan!
Again, I am not here to argue with you. But how many truth do you think there is?
你应该把“The truth " 替换成“My belief". 自己claim 的truth只是belief.
其实 说句很不正确的心里话 我当年看Obama的任职直播 也是觉得Pelosi大妈像自己儿子当总统一样高兴的状态 有点过头
但是这么些年下来 她从来也没做过什么很招人厌的事
我倒觉得她挺好的
都是感谢某王拉低了老百姓对政客的期盼
风险差不多,都是6尺。看提前投票的照片,也排长队。有的地方提前投票的人多了,今天去的就少了。
问题是你不可能知道God想什么(如果有God的话),你在教堂里看的听的都是某些**人**说的话,而不是God说的, 所以宗教根本来说就是一小撮人用来洗脑和统治其他人的工具
ai的bias现在也是个热门话题
机器比较consistent 公不公平另说 但可能比我们自相残杀各自的想法要好
我也想投沃伦. 不过被民主党干掉了,连副总统也没捞着, 不过我以前一直要投共和党, 沃伦没了, 又返回原来决定了
我最初也挺喜欢warren的
对warren的一丝丝反感主要来自于这个班上有段时间天天骂她 xxxxx
现在有点路人偏粉
她的对于自己的身份的manipulation 和高院提名 太小巫见大巫啦
That's interesting. May I ask how you form your own judgement and opinions? Your information must come from somewhere too.
耶稣的两条命令,爱神,以及爱人如己。 摩西的十戒也是白纸黑字。 你认为哪个不清楚?
光凭佩大妈在天安门广场上怒斥TG,我就粉她一辈子~~
不行 Nancy has to go. 她问题大了去啦
Warren太左了,现实一点选个中间派。 虽然我也支持她的政见。
那不是一直往后退么~~😓
是的 这个操作 我也是很后来才知道的
这些年也慢慢领悟了她
当年也许是我偏见了
我可以自己思考 这个世界的所有观点,理论,都是别的**人**的想法,他们可以想,我当然也可以想啦,他们并不比我高明一等~
群主为何有这个感言?
同意同意同意同意同意
是 我对sanders的人无感
单纯觉得 免学费免医疗费是社会进步的体现
但是我很明白这次就是需要像biden这样的温和派 才能更往中间靠一点点
这个说法是不是有点欠妥,最高院在Bush v. Gore 都没提这方面证据,当时majority反对的是这种重数选票的糟糕的先例,完全乱了美国选举的章法。您说的这个抓现行又是从何谈起?
哈哈哈 😄 好像是的
就是个random walk
就算是深蓝州,也不过是六四开到三七开之间, 绝不是人大开会全体举手通过模式~~
脑残! 当大统领说 just a big flu, 和进行各种不带口罩和鼓动人民破坏抗疫的骚操作时,还指望别人合作?川普是把自己的利益凌驾于everything.
深蓝州这样的老太挺多的
说不定人当年也是进步人士呢
应该是前进2步倒退一步吧。。。现在正好是倒退的时候。
顺便说一句,我对中国也是这么期待的,现在是倒退的这一步,将来会有往前的那两步~~
如果说trump是symptom DNC就是disease DNC必须改革
他们并不比我高明一等~
I see. I seek the truth, not superiority.
Britannica 是这么说的
According to Florida law, a machine recount of all votes cast was required because the margin of victory was less than 0.5%. In this race, the gap appeared to be roughly 0.01%. Both campaigns immediately dispatch team of lawyers to Florida
嗯 我们应该乐观一点
就是戈尔高风亮节,顾全大局不纠缠了,所以说这人太天真,太理想主义,结果就是被社会毒打~~
茶党该管管了。
我忽然觉得华人增加形象的一个绝好机会就是,在投票日全体出动去做义工。
相像一下,如果每个投票站都有几个华人大妈忙里忙外的,那个形象提升远远比在网上吵架要好太多了。而且,四年一次,加上中期也就是两年一次,不费多少功夫,绝对是非常合算的长期形象投资啊!
在蓝州可能还行,在红州怕是要小心proud boys和Karen吧。Trump的China virus口号深得他们人心。
十戒第六条不可杀人
结果呢?论杀人,信基督教的绝对排第一。
平时还行,今年绝对不行。
今年义(vo)务(ter)监(supp)票(ression)的都是虎视眈眈找碴抓作弊的川粉大军。
Good idea. I think you get paid working at the polling stations? Or to help with campaign by knocking on doors?Or volunteer in other occasions in general. Christmas is coming, many organizations need volunteers and donations.
忽然明白ACB的任命也许会对历史进程有致命打击
敲木鱼 我们不要再次见证历史呀
得了吧,就是他这只无能的大龙虾扇呼起来的。O8 时期也不记得这么频繁的打砸抢。
这说明投票点的大妈非常负责任。 如果这个人的mail-in和in person都被算数了,他一个人就两票,违反了一人一票。这种情况,是他自己没经验,如果mail in,就应该提早。如果现场投,就不该申请absentee ballot。小兄弟就当学习了,等四年再投一次吧。
顺手Google了一下absentee ballot rule,参见 https://www.usa.gov/absentee-voting You might be able to vote in person on Election Day, even if you received a mail-in ballot. Every state has different rules, so check with your state or local election office for the specific procedures. Typically: You’ll take your absentee ballot to your designated polling place on Election Day. Your polling place may change, especially during the coronavirus pandemic. Check your polling place’s location before you go. Depending on your state's rules, you might exchange your uncast absentee ballot for an in-person ballot, or complete your absentee ballot and hand it in, or cast a provisional ballot. If you forget to bring your absentee ballot with you, you may be able to cast a provisional ballot. Provisional ballots are counted once your election officials verify your voter status.
花了那么多钱弹劾 就是瞎折腾 当真全世界撕国情咨文 真是全世界的笑话 把她年轻时坐天安门那点好感都败光了
没错,庆祝—打砸抢,抗议—打砸抢。打砸抢那群人其实根本不在意选举,他们只是要打砸抢。
LOL,又一个不在美国的
绝对的
下次吧 争取去volunteer
Warren太左?真是被洗脑了。Warren这些放到欧洲,加拿大,都是中间偏右的政治家了。 美国现在是极右翼当家。到处都是亿万富翁,而下层老百姓都快活不下去了。20年来中位数工资没涨一块钱,而物价涨了快3倍了。
How are you so sure?
only __you__ can be American?
这个问题两党都没有解决的诚意,毕竟会得罪金主。 有一点诚意的Warren/Bernie又拉不到选票,因为会被打成Communist。美国整体还是太右了,没见过哪个欧美国家现在居然还在纠结堕胎权这么基本的问题的。
咱们自己聊自己的,别理那帮人,不然这个楼又没法聊了~~
左中右都是相对的,你只能一步一步往前走啊, 除非实在走不动了,革命才是最后的手段。
绝对不行,川普如果输了肯定以此为证据说选举被中国操纵了
为啥NBC 说 biden已经拿到212票了
那个不是预测,就是让你选各个州红蓝,然后自己看选票
你可以把所有州全部点红,或者点蓝~~
民主和专制到底那个管用,不能只看当下,要看比如一百年以上的时间长度。
基本假设是,人性有很多缺陷。否则,不论民主或者专制都能把社会搞得很好。既然人性有缺陷,那么问题就是那种制度最有可能可以弥补这些。
比如说专制吧,即使是专制的粉丝,也是粉所谓的“开明专制”,没有人会认为昏君或者暴君是好的。一般对民主不放心的人,其实是不放心“多数人的暴政”。所以民主或者专制的粉丝,其实都同意“开明”是好的,“暴政”是不好的。
如果只看当下,那么非常有可能正好是个“开明专制”vs“多数人暴政”;但是如果看一百年以上,就应该可以看出“开明专制”能不能持久,和“多数人暴政”会不会被纠正。也就是说,时间才是主要判断。
不是说“民主”是“最不坏”么?讲这个话的人还是有底气的。英国的宪政民主至今要有近五百年了吧。人类历史上,除了古埃及的神权制度,恐怕还没有比这更稳定有效的政府组织了。中国的历史虽然也很长,但是不要忘了三百年周期率。
在投票站应该还好啦。洪州也不是人人都是魔鬼。
投票站义工和敲门拉票还不一样。拉票是得选边的,投票站义工是中立的。
现在社会暗流涌动,华人尽量保持中立很重要。
要相信大多数群众不会被这种低级甩锅所欺骗的,特别是有正规媒体监督。
而且即使有污蔑,其实也有助于提升形象,而且比真的去拉票参选要低成本的多的多。
垬饿死三千万,土改反右文革杀死几百万,计划生育杀死上亿,红色高棉杀死饿死几百万,苏俄饿死杀死几百万。
共产邪教掌权一百年的历史,已经超过了有历史以来所有有目的滥杀的总和。垬是其中的罪魁。
投票站义工
Does polling station have volunteer? I thought they recruit poll workers. You cannot just show up like some Trump supporters...
https://vmagazine.com/article/how-to-volunteer-at-the-polls-on-voting-day/
突然有点回到原来追球赛的学生时代了 LOL
佛州都是古巴移民还很多退休的,拉丁裔今年都是选川的
Have a good dream~~~
Commie本来就应该被扼杀在摇篮里,喜欢commie为啥不去北朝鲜
还以为poll worker都是义工呢。。。不过那也行啊,甚至更好。
随便狗一下:https://www.npr.org/2020/09/24/915728080/how-to-sign-up-to-work-the-polls-on-election-day
哦,这里不是投票作弊的意思,而是说佛罗里达州的法律规定,如果两党票数差额小于0.5%, 那么就要进行一次机读的重新数票。在Bush v. Gore这个case里,两候选人之间的选票差额极小,相差票数按照比例大概只有0.01%的区别,按照佛州的法律,可以机器重数,但是此举遭到布什反对上诉,因为重数这个过程会有很多未知数,也会增加新的人为操纵的可能,如果输了就重数,就没完没了,坏了规矩。高院的决定是不应该重数。这个case,并没有说布什和共和党作弊的意思。
倒是川总一直提到的voter fraud,说是因为有的州投票不看photo id,导致一些没有投票资格的人,比如非移,可以盗用他人voter身份来投票,甚至有些投票人竟然是已经去世的人。但是目前这种传说中的投票欺诈,还只是江湖传说,具体哪里有证据还没听说过。
这种诡辩真的很old了,你们还能整出点别的来吗
Participation in the society is great and should be encouraged.
我后来又看了维基百科
里面提到了 当年fl有很大一捆选票被算作弃票 远超过这0.01%的差异
这和gop现在要把texas一大堆选票算作无效有点异曲同工吧?
有的州投票不看photo id
Who does that? I am indeed curious how they deal witht the situation where the reigstered voter requested the mail in ballot but died or gone missing before able to vote. Sometimes, death certificates do not get filed in time.
都是晚上行动,现在还没睡醒。
Again, time for the supreme court judges to show their true colors.
有一位忘年交的老奶奶,过去多年响应她婆婆的号召去作poll worker,在一个中西部摇摆州。据说是这样,一个投票站义工小组六个人,三个注册民主党,三个注册共和党,然后组长一定要是与本州执政党相反的党派,比如说,这个州现在是共和党州长,就要由民主党的一位来当义工组长。 所以呢,老奶奶对川总喊话投票欺诈的说法非常鄙视。但是,投票的规则属于各个州立法管辖的范畴,不难想象,州和州之间的要求和标准会差别很大。
没事的聊着玩呗
一个简单的问题:2020年打砸抢的是川粉还是你们川黑???
除了用脏字,你们以为美华跟你们一样没脑子吗?
你也别在这里用脏字脏版面了,不如收拾收拾晚上跟你的同志们一起上街打砸抢吧,说不定还能抢点卫生纸什么的
A judge ordered the U.S. Postal Service to sweep some mail processing facilities for delayed ballots and immediately dispatch them for delivery in election battlegrounds including Pennsylvania, Florida and Arizona
https://reut.rs/389a44k
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这个是因为选民投票投错了自己注册的precinct,或者一些其他的technical defect,选票被作废的事情是经常有的。就像投票权,最早只是白男才可以投票,到后来女性也可以,再后来各个种族只要是18岁+公民都可以,历史上一些投票的标准,比如文化程度要求,语言要求之类的,已经都渐渐被废除掉了。但是,很多文化程度和语言要求达不到理想标准的投票人,虽然有票,还是会投错…… 不过,这个不是平权问题,是智商问题,所以这些票被作废也很难翻盘。
Photos: #COVID19 positive voters cast ballots curbside in St. Louis on eve of the election. Very, very 2020.
哈哈哈,“股市”自己和你说的?
从维基百科搬运一下,发现大加州居然连id都不要看?贴这里,多方求证一下
The National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL) provides a web page and a map with ID requirements for voting in each state.[19] In states with strict ID laws, the voter is required to take additional action after the provisional ballot is cast to verify ID. The NCSL website describes strict states as follows: In states with non-strict voter ID laws, other methods of validation are allowed, which vary by state. Possible alternatives are: signing an affidavit, having a poll worker vouch for voter, having election officials verify a voter's identity after the vote is cast, or having the voter return an inquiry mailed to their reported address. The NCSL categorizes state-level voter ID laws as follows:[21] Photo ID required (strict): Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Wisconsin. Photo ID requested (non-strict): Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Texas. Non-photo ID required (strict): Arizona, North Dakota, and Ohio. Non-photo ID requested (non-strict): Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, Washington, and West Virginia,. No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C. No ID is required to vote in North Carolina as of Dec. 31, 2019.
没看今天的wsj头条?去跟wsj杠吧
ballot作假不难
I do not get it. How do they verify that a person is allowed to vote?