The AA debate is interesting. Once again Asians are collateral and accidental victims. I am very much disillusioned. Kids need to study hard and become well learned and well prepared no matter what. Knowledge and skills are yours to keep. High school and college years are precious years for learning. So work hard no matter what.
I don't think that "Asians" are victims either collaterally or accidentally. First, the lack of differentiation in the term "Asian" creates a super-category that's a problem in and of itself. There are differences among ethnic and languages groups, and there are differences among class origins. To reduce everyone to an "Asian" super-category is a very sticky wicket.
Second, the crucial categorical distinction in the US is between white and non-white. The attempt to avoid or ignore that distinction by some "Asians" makes it possible to manipulate social, legal, and educational frameworks in ways that reinforce white supremacist and and white nationalist agendas. That so many very different peoples who do not want to be associated with each other are lumped together in the non-white category is crucial and very useful to those who want to perpetuate the benefit to whites that the binary distinction makes possible. It's called "divide and conquer." First, you create a false distinction that sets you apart from everyone else. Then, when you face a numbers problem when it comes to managing everyone else, you convince certain sub-groups among the everyone else that they can share what you have so that they do not resist your position and they become blind to the first and most crucial categorical move, that first distinction between white and non-white. As long as you believe that hard work and innate intelligence is the difference between you and other sub-groups in the non-white category, you will continue to believe that white nationalists and white supremacists will share power with you because you, too, believe you are superior, and so you share with those whites an underlying assumption of superiority that you justify with a hard work ideology.
As long as you believe that hard work and innate intelligence is the difference between you and other sub-groups in the non-white category, you will continue to believe that white nationalists and white supremacists will share power with you because you, too, believe you are superior, and so you share with those whites an underlying assumption of superiority that you justify with a hard work ideology.
这白男朋友娶了亚裔太太又离婚。有个混血女儿。他老爱讨论亚裔问题。这次他主动问我对最近AA问题的看法。我说的是：
The AA debate is interesting. Once again Asians are collateral and accidental victims. I am very much disillusioned. Kids need to study hard and become well learned and well prepared no matter what. Knowledge and skills are yours to keep. High school and college years are precious years for learning. So work hard no matter what.
结果他长篇大论的回复把我气晕。简直是欲加之罪何患无辞。贴在这里给大家看看。不看都不知道白人里有对亚裔这种想法的人。也许还不是少数？另外他也背书了亚裔细分。道理一套套的。
I don't think that "Asians" are victims either collaterally or accidentally. First, the lack of differentiation in the term "Asian" creates a super-category that's a problem in and of itself. There are differences among ethnic and languages groups, and there are differences among class origins. To reduce everyone to an "Asian" super-category is a very sticky wicket.
Second, the crucial categorical distinction in the US is between white and non-white. The attempt to avoid or ignore that distinction by some "Asians" makes it possible to manipulate social, legal, and educational frameworks in ways that reinforce white supremacist and and white nationalist agendas. That so many very different peoples who do not want to be associated with each other are lumped together in the non-white category is crucial and very useful to those who want to perpetuate the benefit to whites that the binary distinction makes possible. It's called "divide and conquer." First, you create a false distinction that sets you apart from everyone else. Then, when you face a numbers problem when it comes to managing everyone else, you convince certain sub-groups among the everyone else that they can share what you have so that they do not resist your position and they become blind to the first and most crucial categorical move, that first distinction between white and non-white. As long as you believe that hard work and innate intelligence is the difference between you and other sub-groups in the non-white category, you will continue to believe that white nationalists and white supremacists will share power with you because you, too, believe you are superior, and so you share with those whites an underlying assumption of superiority that you justify with a hard work ideology.这本身就是助长甚至这就让我们成了白人种族主义的一份子了？总之亚裔争取权益就是错。努力更是错?
我的确是无法理解这些理论。
他有点白人至上的观念，他认为非白人只要你自己努力，认为自己是优秀的，就可以和白人站在一起，不必事先画地为牢。但问题是如果真的这样的话，为什么要分白和非白呢？大家凭本事吃饭好了，看什么肤色呢？又何必先看高自己呢？自相矛盾嘛。
As long as you believe that hard work and innate intelligence is the difference between you and other sub-groups in the non-white category, you will continue to believe that white nationalists and white supremacists will share power with you because you, too, believe you are superior, and so you share with those whites an underlying assumption of superiority that you justify with a hard work ideology.
他是铁杆自由派。整天批判白人，站在黑人印第安人各种少数民族一边。好像就是不待见亚裔。或者说看不得亚裔作为少数族裔，居然混得这么好。觉得亚裔其实是种族歧视。觉得亚裔自认比黑人西裔和各种其他少数族裔要天生优秀。亚裔的聪明才智努力都是种族歧视的表现。
别问我这里面的逻辑。但是白人里估计有不少人是真这么看亚裔的。
尤其包括亚裔里自恨的精英，更是有这种思维。
持白人至上的观念呢？
AA的执行也必须有歧视的证据，而不是凭空想象，更不是按人口比例分配。
比如入学，如果有证据显示因为肤色不录取同等或更优秀的学生，那大学可能会吃官司。
而现在根本没有证据显示黑墨受到歧视，反而很多优秀的亚裔因为族裔原因不能入学，所以AA其实是在亚裔这一边的。
他想说亚裔不要把自己跟黑墨分开来，那样的话，亚裔就跟白人种族主义者一样了
还给扣个种族主义白人至上主义的大帽子。
甚至这代表了你们想成为白人一伙，而有这种觉得自己比其他种族强的想法，就是白人至上种族主义。
这逻辑我觉得跳跃得太大点。但这应该也代表了一些白人看亚裔的态度吧。了解一下他们的想法也好。虽然很莫名其妙很气人。
真是看不明白您帖子里要说什么，和什么推理。
你是想说起诉AA必须有歧视的证据？
而任何会被” 白上“同意的观点，哪怕是真理，也要像洗澡水里的婴儿一样扔掉
根据AA告人需要证据，就是说告某高校歧视你，要证明你非常优秀，比那些录取了的还优秀，但是因为你的种族原因不能入学，这就违反AA，可以诉它 普遍来看没有黑墨是这样被歧视的，他们往往各方面都不如其他申请人，照样入学 反而亚裔中有很多案例，可以根据这个提起诉讼
不过你可以跟他讲，不管怎么分，你都不会跟他这个白人在一边，这就是他一个白男希望看到的结果？
well，so be it
只要不是quota。学校可以为了种族diversity的理由而不录取更为优秀的学生。
所以要细分。因为这努力优秀觉得自己比其他非白种族都强的就是你们华裔。
总之跟他说话很费力。逻辑似是而非饶得慌。我的英文自然是不敌他的。就是很气愤。贴出来就是想让大家看看，白人AA铁杆支持者里有人是这样看亚裔尤其是华裔，是这样理解亚裔的努力优秀的。这种思维，自然是不会觉得亚裔/华裔应该在升学一事上得到公平对待的。
他怕什么？一个强大的亚裔整体形象伤到他了？
这种才是真正的racist！
说critical比你那racist稍微中性点。呵呵。我就觉得他需要找到个心理平衡点来justify他实际上的优越感？所有那些支持AA等等都是一种居高临下的优越感？是不是好多左派其实本质上是这种心态？
说到底他就是怕么
弱者让他们受不来，LOL
对the constitutionality of affirmative action in college admissions的案子不是你理解的那样，宪法上的挑战更抽象一点。有时间可以看一下Fisher v UT Austin最高法院的opinion.
的确是想follow 他的逻辑再跟他讨论实在是很辛苦。
不要以为亚裔多努力，白人就会把你当自己人。当然，黑墨也不会把你当自己人。
亚裔“反AA”不要针对墨黑，那是白人的问题。亚裔要反的是为什么亚裔，作为曾经被迫害的少数民族，要让着白人。
亚裔人数少，更应该想法团结着墨黑，（即使团结不了，也不要和他们结梁子，不要自己揽脏水，）要占在道德至高点上，抢东西。
（来美国的人学历太高其实是问题，读书读的。。。）
color blind.）
同时，不同族裔/性别中的发达人士应该想法为本民族/性别，谋福利。
所以无法理解他说的逻辑
就是种族主义