一方面，美国连自己的国民都不管（Katrina/Maui and so on)。另一方面，同样的事情如果换成中国来做，你猜美国政府怎么说？ 这些国际机构被操作的前例数不胜数，真这么有信心，就让中韩这些直接受害国的专家上门实时抽查。 中国政府可是刚刚禁了日本的所有海产品，韩国人也在疯抢海盐，连福岛自己的居民都在抗议。开放旅游，警告游客的危险，游客们还要去at their own risk呗
回复 162楼的帖子 加州人民应该是最先享用马桶水净化的饮用水的。 California plant transforming sewage into drinking water https://youtu.be/Aj9ylsoHBcg?feature=shared HRennoguest 发表于 2023-08-24 12:14
Japan announces date for Fukushima radioactive water release Greenpeace International 22 August 2023 • 4 min read Tokyo – Greenpeace Japan criticises the Japanese government’s announcement of the start date for radioactive water discharges from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear station into the Pacific Ocean. The decision disregards scientific evidence, violates the human rights of communities in Japan and the Pacific region, and is non-compliant with international maritime law. More importantly it ignores its people’s concerns, including fishermen. The Japanese government and Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) – the nuclear power plants’ operators – falsely assert that there is no alternative to the decision to discharge and that it is necessary to move towards final decommissioning. This further highlights the failure of the decommissioning plan for the nuclear plants destroyed in the 2011 earthquake, stating that tens of thousands of tons of contaminated water will continue to increase with no effective solution. “We are deeply disappointed and outraged by the Japanese Government’s announcement to release water containing radioactive substances into the ocean. Despite concerns raised by fishermen, citizens, Fukushima residents, and the international community, especially in the Pacific region and neighboring countries, this decision has been made,” said Hisayo Takada, Project Manager at Greenpeace Japan. The increasing volumes of and the pending release of the radioactive water demonstrate the failure of the decommissioning plan for the Fukushima Daiichi. The contaminated water will continue to accumulate for many years without effective measures to stop it. The Japanese Government and TEPCO falsely claim that discharge is the only viable option necessary for eventual decommissioning. Nuclear power generation, which experiences shutdowns due to accidents and natural disasters, and perpetually requires thermal power as a backup, cannot serve as a solution to global warming. “The deliberate pollution of the Pacific Ocean through these radioactive waste discharges is a consequence of the 2011 nuclear disaster and Japan’s decades long nuclear power program. Instead of acknowledging the flaws in the current decommissioning plan, the ongoing nuclear crisis, and the massive amount of public funds required, the Japanese government intends to restart more nuclear reactors despite evidence of major earthquakes and safety risks. The current government energy plan fails to deliver secure and sustainable renewables such as wind and solar energy that the climate emergency demands,” said Takada. As of 8 June 2023, there were 1,335,381 cubic meters of radioactive wastewater stored in tanks[1], but due to the failure of the ALPS (Advanced Liquid Processing System) processing technology, approximately 70% of this water will have to be processed again. Scientists have warned that the radiological risks from the discharges have not been fully assessed, and the biological impacts of tritium, carbon-14, strontium-90 and iodine-129, which will be released in the discharges, have been ignored.[2] The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) endorsed Japan’s plans for discharge. However, the IAEA has failed to investigate the operation of the ALPS, has completely ignored the highly radioactive fuel debris that melted down which continues every day to contaminate ground water – nearly 1000 cubic meters every ten days. Furthermore, the discharge plan has failed to conduct a comprehensive Environmental Impact Assessment, as required by its international legal obligations, given that there is a risk of significant transboundary harm to neighboring countries. The IAEA is not tasked with protecting the global marine environment but it should not encourage a state to violate it. “The myth is being perpetuated that discharges are necessary for decommissioning. But the Japanese government itself admits that there is sufficient water storage space in Fukushima Daiichi.[3] Long-term storage would expose the current government decommissioning roadmap as flawed, but that is exactly what needs to happen. The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear station is still in crisis, posing unique and severe hazards, and there is no credible plan for its decommissioning,” emphasized Shaun Burnie, Senior Nuclear Specialist at Greenpeace East Asia. Member states at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, as well as UN Special Rapporteurs, have opposed and criticized Japan’s discharge plans.[4] Japan’s discharge plans also disregard the groundbreaking Human Rights Council resolution 48/13, which in 2021 determined that it is a human right to have a clean, healthy and sustainable environment.[5] Furthermore, Japan has failed to comply with its legal obligations under the United Nations Convention for the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), to protect the marine environment including its legal requirement to conduct a comprehensive Environmental Impact Assessment into the discharges into the Pacific Ocean, given the risk of significant transboundary harm to neighboring countries.[6] “Instead of engaging in an honest debate about this reality, the Japanese government has opted for a false solution – decades of deliberate radioactive pollution of the marine environment – during a time when the world’s oceans are already facing immense stress and pressures. This is an outrage that violates the human rights of the people and communities of Fukushima, and other neighboring prefectures and the wider Asia-Pacific region,” said Burnie. ENDS
一方面，美国连自己的国民都不管（Katrina/Maui and so on)。另一方面，同样的事情如果换成中国来做，你猜美国政府怎么说？ 这些国际机构被操作的前例数不胜数，真这么有信心，就让中韩这些直接受害国的专家上门实时抽查。 中国政府可是刚刚禁了日本的所有海产品，韩国人也在疯抢海盐，连福岛自己的居民都在抗议。开放旅游，警告游客的危险，游客们还要去at their own risk呗
上次台山核电泄漏事故就没下文了。 当初合作方法国向美国政府救援， 让人跌眼镜。 原来台山核电站技术是法国的， 但燃料包皮破损污染冷却水（好像是设计问题）。 修补清洗技术在美国公司手里， 受管制。 美国能源部说， 问题不大， 不需要美国公司救援。 法国方面说事情挑明了， 不干我的事了。 中国方面说， 连美国都说没事， 根本不是个事。 几天后台山核电站关机了， 又过了一段时间媒体报道中国第一座核废水处理厂建立。 不是什么大事。
韩国现在跟日本关系那么好，为什么韩国人也在抗议也在恐慌？
真的，还不如科技与狠活给身体带来的
你可以考虑夜黑风高日 吊死在日本领事馆前面 一样的为国捐躯
你先灭绝呗
因为这些反共反到失心疯。
没差别为啥他们不留着自己喝算了？？？
这就是日本放出来洗地的。台湾人积极的帮忙散布假消息来洗地。
地球本身就是个大放射体
符合日本人性格。就像吃鲸鱼，全世界都反对。日本也能找出理由来吃。再找些台湾人在中文社区洗洗地。
不信你翻翻她（他）们在中国环保议题上和日本核废水问题上，截然不同的“价值取向”和“评判标准”
无耻到这个地步，也是人才
那那么好，为啥不自己喝了？自己喝不了，提供给台湾，不少人应该是很高兴的。
这里积极给核废水洗地的都是一群差不多二十年内就要陆陆续续入土的反华老朽，就算不为你们自己也为你们后代考虑考虑吧？
哇，把二回路里不接触核裂变物质的冷凝“核废水”，等同于核废料稀释溶液，你不需要科普，你需要摸摸自己的良心看还在不在
其它国家的核废水，主要危害不在于放射性，而在于热污染，抬高海水水温影响生物繁衍
日本的核废水，其危害在于其放射性改变你身体里的遗传物质
你的脑子和你的id一样
彼此都有把柄吧
还是我初中知识没学好？
这要是换成是中国排放核废水，恐怕要各种大标题刷刷了。双标的没脸了。
对于不信的人，可以趁机多吃点日料，估计价钱能降下来不少。小红书上有日本记者在放水现场用盖革计数器测，空气中数字从0.1上升到0.7。不过没看到原报道。
核污水里面只有氚么？ 这脑子是喝了多少核污水？
哇，怎么感觉自己越活越穿越回到丛林时代了，无耻都到你们这种境界了吗？？？毫无顾忌？？？
核废水里只有“氚”这么一种放射性物质吗？？？？？？？
昨天看到普京搞政治对手毫无顾忌，今天看到你们这种无耻洗地，TMD真的感觉2023年不是文明时代了
还没开始吧，日本出口香港的海鲜占总出口20%，大陆是日本水产第一出口地，这两个地方都禁了，真想吃估计等得到降价的。
全世界独有你日本爹一家， 其他国家没有发生过堆芯过水
你得先搞清楚日本发生了啥 其他国家没发生过
所有其他国家排放的是用来暖脚的暖水袋里面的水 日本放的是直接浸泡臭脚丫的水
能一样吗？
这个回帖用来形容你自己简直太贴切了 还有， 信美国政府对灾害估计的新冠死者， 坟头长草了， 记得著名的“口罩无用论”么， 出自CDC 信夏威夷火警的人，已经是凉凉的黑炭
美国政府在灾难前面只有利益和算计， 对日本核废水睁眼啥很奇怪吗？
干嘛这么跳脚啊？别处看来随手转一下大家自己判断或者有专业人士出来验证一下，这么气急败坏出口就'脏话骂人是为啥？
这就是资本的力量，所谓民主体制就是资本可以为所欲为，政府不是为人民服务，是为资本，日本电力最省钱的做法
没错，政治问题，这不岸田刚去大卫营吗？等日本人向美国跪过以后，就可以排了啊。
脑子是个好东西 如果不懂 可以网络多找点资料看看 网络没上锁 如果这么多解释 这么多资料也还是看不懂 那还是算了 别为难自己，又或许装睡的人是叫不醒的
哇 这么喜欢核废水 就跟那个层主说的 一次一点一次一点有啥危害对吧？
那日本这么多人分着吃， 你们日杂这么热情 一人一点就好了。我们不需要谢谢
马桶里混着大便的水没人喝不下，倒入池子里稀释一下，有人就愿意喝了。
因为大家都想排
这个容器是占全地球表面70%的大海洋！ 海洋可以深到几千几万米甚至更多！分次倒是为了不让某一点浓度过高。
这妥妥的汉奸呀
你误伤友军了 朋友 😂
但是这些大便水进了下水道然后进了自来水公司，你还真就喝上了。 所以，关键在于，你相信日本的核污水处理是简单的类似把大便水混到马桶里还是类似于自来水公司的净化，屁股决定脑袋吧。
你家的自来水公司从下水道取水啊？
大便水会和自然水体混合稀释啊，日本核废水也是稀释好多吧，所以，肯定有大便成分进入自来水公司啊。
这位不知道bill gates在非洲做的一个project吧。就是把马桶水净化成饮用水。Netflix有他的纪录片，他还带头喝了。
哇 你可真博学 居然知道这是个project 你再博学点 给我说说哪家自来水厂是抽马桶水来净化供水的？ 这是马桶水喝多了？还是核废水喝多了？
中国一直在抗议，可是没毛用啊。
这种事儿想制止，唯一的办法就是让日本知道，排放废水的后果比不排放更加严重，要么经济制裁要么开打。但是现在谁也折腾不起了。
夏威夷会咋样？本来就是又是火山爆发，山火之类的，现在再加上核废水
中国委员在原子能机构都投了赞成票，你还bb啥
搞了半天日本人不往自己河流湖泊里面排，是因为没钱造排水管道，而不是对处理后的水没信心？ 这简单啊，中国出钱出人，帮日本修一根通内陆的排水管道，帮日本人进行海水淡化，你日本人能保障建成后直接往自己湖泊里排吗？
堂堂全球第三大经济体，全球最富裕的少数地方，把太平洋当成自家下水道，仅仅是因为缺了那点修水管的钱？ 这话你自己真的相信？？
福岛2023年度预计排放约3.12万吨，氚总量为5兆贝克勒尔。
根据中国生态环境部2017年一份批文，大亚湾核电基地共6台机组，每年的液态氚排放上限达到225兆贝克。过去10年，大亚湾核电站的液态氚排放量平均为49.5兆贝克，比福岛未来每年排放量高出10倍。
呵呵。。日本1亿3000万人，根据健康标准，一人一天8杯水，应该1年就能把处理后的废水喝完。。
你们这种故意装傻，真的有意思吗？ 有任何证据证明日本核废水里只有氚，而没有其他放射性污染？？？
我是不是也可以说，日本核废水里的H2O对人体完全无害，所以这个核废水可以随便喝？
换中国或者俄罗斯排放看看，绝对是稀释不了，污染环境，危害海洋生物，灭绝人类
加州人民应该是最先享用马桶水净化的饮用水的。
California plant transforming sewage into drinking water https://youtu.be/Aj9ylsoHBcg?feature=shared
全球三分之一的地区没有安全饮用水 这对水源极度缺乏的地区是好事情， 而且现代科技是能做到toilet to tap. 野外生存也经常有净水器 能把臭水转化成饮用水. 这不稀奇. 可这和核污水有关系么？你们这样转化视线有意思么？ 还有没有低级缺乏水源地区 把核污水转换成饮用水的例子么？我知道日本人刚喝了一杯，为什么不开放给全日本人饮用呢？
Japan announces date for Fukushima radioactive water release
Tokyo – Greenpeace Japan criticises the Japanese government’s announcement of the start date for radioactive water discharges from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear station into the Pacific Ocean. The decision disregards scientific evidence, violates the human rights of communities in Japan and the Pacific region, and is non-compliant with international maritime law. More importantly it ignores its people’s concerns, including fishermen. The Japanese government and Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) – the nuclear power plants’ operators – falsely assert that there is no alternative to the decision to discharge and that it is necessary to move towards final decommissioning. This further highlights the failure of the decommissioning plan for the nuclear plants destroyed in the 2011 earthquake, stating that tens of thousands of tons of contaminated water will continue to increase with no effective solution. “We are deeply disappointed and outraged by the Japanese Government’s announcement to release water containing radioactive substances into the ocean. Despite concerns raised by fishermen, citizens, Fukushima residents, and the international community, especially in the Pacific region and neighboring countries, this decision has been made,” said Hisayo Takada, Project Manager at Greenpeace Japan. The increasing volumes of and the pending release of the radioactive water demonstrate the failure of the decommissioning plan for the Fukushima Daiichi. The contaminated water will continue to accumulate for many years without effective measures to stop it. The Japanese Government and TEPCO falsely claim that discharge is the only viable option necessary for eventual decommissioning. Nuclear power generation, which experiences shutdowns due to accidents and natural disasters, and perpetually requires thermal power as a backup, cannot serve as a solution to global warming. “The deliberate pollution of the Pacific Ocean through these radioactive waste discharges is a consequence of the 2011 nuclear disaster and Japan’s decades long nuclear power program. Instead of acknowledging the flaws in the current decommissioning plan, the ongoing nuclear crisis, and the massive amount of public funds required, the Japanese government intends to restart more nuclear reactors despite evidence of major earthquakes and safety risks. The current government energy plan fails to deliver secure and sustainable renewables such as wind and solar energy that the climate emergency demands,” said Takada. As of 8 June 2023, there were 1,335,381 cubic meters of radioactive wastewater stored in tanks[1], but due to the failure of the ALPS (Advanced Liquid Processing System) processing technology, approximately 70% of this water will have to be processed again. Scientists have warned that the radiological risks from the discharges have not been fully assessed, and the biological impacts of tritium, carbon-14, strontium-90 and iodine-129, which will be released in the discharges, have been ignored.[2] The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) endorsed Japan’s plans for discharge. However, the IAEA has failed to investigate the operation of the ALPS, has completely ignored the highly radioactive fuel debris that melted down which continues every day to contaminate ground water – nearly 1000 cubic meters every ten days. Furthermore, the discharge plan has failed to conduct a comprehensive Environmental Impact Assessment, as required by its international legal obligations, given that there is a risk of significant transboundary harm to neighboring countries. The IAEA is not tasked with protecting the global marine environment but it should not encourage a state to violate it. “The myth is being perpetuated that discharges are necessary for decommissioning. But the Japanese government itself admits that there is sufficient water storage space in Fukushima Daiichi.[3] Long-term storage would expose the current government decommissioning roadmap as flawed, but that is exactly what needs to happen. The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear station is still in crisis, posing unique and severe hazards, and there is no credible plan for its decommissioning,” emphasized Shaun Burnie, Senior Nuclear Specialist at Greenpeace East Asia. Member states at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, as well as UN Special Rapporteurs, have opposed and criticized Japan’s discharge plans.[4] Japan’s discharge plans also disregard the groundbreaking Human Rights Council resolution 48/13, which in 2021 determined that it is a human right to have a clean, healthy and sustainable environment.[5] Furthermore, Japan has failed to comply with its legal obligations under the United Nations Convention for the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), to protect the marine environment including its legal requirement to conduct a comprehensive Environmental Impact Assessment into the discharges into the Pacific Ocean, given the risk of significant transboundary harm to neighboring countries.[6] “Instead of engaging in an honest debate about this reality, the Japanese government has opted for a false solution – decades of deliberate radioactive pollution of the marine environment – during a time when the world’s oceans are already facing immense stress and pressures. This is an outrage that violates the human rights of the people and communities of Fukushima, and other neighboring prefectures and the wider Asia-Pacific region,” said Burnie. ENDS
同学从专业角度讲其实日本的核排放是达到安全标准的。现在出来制造恐慌，这些制造恐慌的动机就不好说了。更多的是政治动机吧。
你同学去测试了？
别跳针这样快， 影片是回答你问那里有哪家自来水厂是抽马桶水净化供水的。 影片回答了你的问题。
你问问你同学敢不敢喝？ 或者洗衣做饭？
我们生活在美国，首先担心的就是排放污染水对我们自己和子孙后代的影响，长期排放会不会形成不可逆的伤害
🔺对此日本自己的专家委员会给出的答案很明确：排海最省钱，对日本自己的污染风险最小。这种为了自己省钱却让全世界埋单的做法，是极端自私和不负责任的行为。
真是个造谣的烂货，让你亲戚赶紧把证据亮出来举报，这是核电站，有事故隐瞒得了吗？你以为是你家马桶坏了直接接到饮用水了！
现在全世界的媒体都在讨论这个事，哪里只有中文媒体？韩国在抗议，日本自己都在抗议，福岛的牛肉蔬菜根本没人买，太平洋的岛国，包括澳大利亚和新西兰都在严重关注这件事。
忽然想到同学开日料店的….唉
You nailed it!!!
所以你是怎么问的？
假设日本能严格进行所有处理流程，真的能达到宣称的排放标准，那么这个标准的核废水是否有害？
还是：given日本🀄️福岛泄露上那么多骚操作，你对日本严格照章办事有没有信心？
韩国碘盐涨了4倍，还是保守估计。
你怎么不说是你同学，你家人在那工作？不过一会同学呀，家人呀，出国前呀就都出来了
这标准有点低
因为是海水吧
真谢谢你啊 不过我怎么觉得你本意并非如此呢？
你们这种谣言都哪来的？？
要不要去读一下中国代表团，正儿八经的关于福岛核污水的声明和工作文件？
中国代表团关于日本福岛第一核电站事故核污染水处置问题的工作文件 信息来源：中国常驻国际原子能机构维也纳总部代表团 https://www.caea.gov.cn/n6760338/n6760342/c10087800/content.html
一、日方没有证明核污染水排海决定的正当合法性。排海绝非处置福岛核污染水的唯一选项。日本政府曾讨论地层注入、海洋排放、蒸汽排放、氢气排放和地下掩埋五种处置方案，许多专家还提出新建储罐长期储存、水泥固化等其他处置方案，但日方未充分论证所有可能的处置方案，执意选择经济代价最小的排海方案，把核污染的风险转嫁给全世界。正当性是国际辐射防护的三项基本原则之一，要求产生辐射风险的活动必须产生整体效益，收益大于风险，日方单方面选择排海方案违反该原则。
二、日方没有证明核污染水净化装置的长期有效性和可靠性。从日方多核素处理系统(ALPS)以往运转情况看，已证明无法有效去除氚、碳-14等放射性核素，能否有效去除其他放射性核素也有待进一步试验和工程验证。据日方自己公布的数据，经ALPS处理的核污染水仍有约70%未达到排放标准，需再次净化处理。在后续长期运行过程中，ALPS的性能有效性和可靠性还可能会随设备老化进一步下降。除130多万吨待排放核污染水外，福岛核电站未来还将产生大量核污染水。日方ALPS能否有效处理数量巨大、成分复杂的核污染水且长期可靠，疑问犹存。
三、日方没有证明核污染水数据的真实准确性。东京电力公司近年来曾多次隐瞒、篡改核污染水数据。机构仅基于日方单方面提供的数据和信息开展审查评估，仅对日方采集的少量核污染水样本开展实验室间比对分析，在数据真实性、信息准确性有待确证，取样独立性和代表性严重不足的情况下，即使机构审查评估作出排海符合安全标准的结论，也缺乏足够的说服力。
四、日方没有证明核污染水排海对海洋环境和人类健康安全无害。福岛核污染水中含有60多种放射性核素，很多核素尚无有效处理技术，部分长寿命核素可能随洋流扩散，对周边国家海域生态平衡和海洋环境带来不确定影响;也可能通过生物富集效应，随海洋生物迁徙和食物链对食品安全和人类健康造成潜在风险。在没有有效措施确保日方兑现承诺的情况下，更不能排除核污染水排海对海洋环境和人类健康的长期影响。如果拟排放的所谓“处理水”真的安全无害，日方为什么不在本国境内处置?为什么不将其用作日本国内的工业或农业用水?
五、日方没有履行应尽的国际义务。根据一般国际法和《联合国海洋法公约》等规定，日方有保护和保全海洋环境的义务，在处理核污染水时，应采取一切必要措施，确保其管辖或控制下的活动不致使其他国家及其环境遭受污染的损害，并应确保所造成的污染不致扩大到行使主权权利的区域之外。日方还有义务采取一切措施避免环境污染，有义务通知并与可能受影响的国家充分协商，有义务评估和监测环境影响，有义务保障信息透明，有义务开展国际合作。1972年《伦敦倾废公约》禁止通过海上人工构筑物向海洋倾倒放射性废物，日方通过海底管道将核污染水排海的做法违反相关规定。
六、日方没有证明监测方案的完善性。日方当前的核污染水排海监测安排不够完善，无法第一时间判断排放是否合格，可能导致不达标的核污染水直接排入海洋等。中方主张，机构应尽快主导建立独立有效、有日本邻国等第三方实验室充分参与的长期国际监测机制，日方必须全面配合机构主导的长期监测国际机制和后续审查评估任务，持续开展ALPS长期可靠性监测、核污染水源项和环境监测、放射性环境影响评估，及时透明向邻国等利益攸关国家公布可信数据信息并接受监督质询。在长期监测机制未建立之前，日方不得启动排海;一旦发现核污染水排放数据异常，日方必须立即停止排海。
七、日方不应将核事故产生的核污染水与世界各国核电站正常运行产生的废水混为一谈。两者性质完全不同，不能相提并论，一是来源不同，二是放射性核素种类不同，三是处理难度不同。日本福岛核污染水来自于事故后注入熔融损毁堆芯的冷却水以及渗入反应堆的地下水和雨水，包含熔融堆芯中存在的各种放射性核素，处理难度大。相比之下，核电站正常运行产生的废水主要来源于工艺排水、地面排水等，严格遵守国际通行标准，采用最佳可行技术处理、经严格监测达标后有组织排放，排放量远低于规定的控制值。中方反对的是核污染水排海，从来没有反对核电站正常运行排放。
八、日方不得把机构福岛核污染水处置综合评估报告包装成日方排海计划的“护身符”和“通行证”。日本政府在单方面作出排海决定后，才请求机构开展审查，机构技术工作组授权仅限于审查评估排海这一种方案，没有讨论其他替代处置方案。机构综合评估报告没有审查日方排海方案的正当合法性，也没有评估核污染水净化装置的有效性和长期可靠性，其结论存在局限性和片面性，不能解决国际社会关切。
九、为了保护全人类赖以生存的唯一星球、人类的生命健康，日方应全面回应包括中方在内的国际社会关切，履行国际道义责任和国际法义务，停止强推核污染水排海计划，并以真诚态度同周边邻国充分沟通，确保核污染水得到科学、安全、透明的处置，并接受严格国际监督。