https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine A castle doctrine, also known as a castle law or a defense of habitation law, is a legal doctrine that designates a person's abode or any legally occupied place (for example, a vehicle or home) as a place in which that person has protections and immunities permitting one, in certain circumstances, to use force (up to and including deadly force) to defend oneself against an intruder, free from legal prosecution for the consequences of the force used.[1] The term is most commonly used in the United States, though many other countries invoke comparable principles in their laws. 每个州具体条款不一样,但是人可以在自己的家里对抗intruder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine Typical conditions that apply to some castle doctrine laws include:[citation needed] An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle. The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties). The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary. The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder''s threat or use of deadly force. In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home: must be there legally; must not be fugitives from the law themselves, or aiding/abetting other fugitives; and must not use force upon an officer of the law performing a legal duty.[20]
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-doorbell-shooting-woman-says-ex-boyfriend-killed-dad-different-move-california-drug-use 根据女方的回忆: 1-女方父母反复请求男方离开,男方不听 2-男方撞门,父亲用身体顶门,但是男方占了上风 3-男方砸破了玻璃,门框也开始松动(有的报道说门已经被撞开) 4-开枪的时候女方已经在报警 如果这些属实,男方妥妥的intruder找死 The young woman said she came home to find her ex-boyfriend in front of her house on the morning of July 31. She went inside and slammed the door before alerting her father and mother that Rayl was there. Allyson Duckro told the investigator that they considered calling the cops but were hesitant, so they instead first tried to talk to Rayl through the Ring doorbell, telling him to leave several times. "He kept ringing the doorbell… and once the Ring doorbell rings, when you start talking to it, it just starts recording," she explained. "So, you can hear dad and mom both — because I was saying I don’t want to talk to him — saying, ‘hey, man, she doesn’t want to talk to you. It’s best if you just leave her right now and if she wants to reach out, she will.’ And he just stood there ignoring us." Allyson Duckro said that her dad went around to the garage to try to get Rayl to answer, but that’s when her ex-boyfriend began fiddling with the front door handle, so her dad went and got his gun "just in case." Rayl then began "really busting on the door," she added. She said her dad went over and began physically holding the door shut, but "I don’t even know how, because you saw my dad and he’s a big man, but he somehow starts overpowering my dad" from the other side of the door. Allyson Duckro said she was on the phone with 911 by that point when Rayl broke the glass and the door frame became loose, and she went to hide before hearing gunshots. Police arrived on the scene soon after.
不一样,城堡不适于执法人员强行进入的情况 建议你看看我的引用 文明世界没有坏人强闯的情况?你生活在乌托邦吧? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine Typical conditions that apply to some castle doctrine laws include:[citation needed] An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle. The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties). The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary. The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder''''s threat or use of deadly force. In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home: must be there legally; must not be fugitives from the law themselves, or aiding/abetting other fugitives; and must not use force upon an officer of the law performing a legal duty.[20]
我就是加州的律师,这个案件如果发生在加州,大概率房主也不会有刑事责任,除非还有我不知道的证据,比如男的是女的叫来的,或者女的欠钱什么的。但在加州,民事责任估计逃不掉,会判有罪的。 A defendant in California is entitled to stand their ground and defend themselves using force, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger of bodily injury, death, or any other crime has passed. 在某些州,民事责任估计都没有。 Wugelvshi 发表于 2022-08-31 23:16
在美国不允许放枪示警,这是基本常识。
有视频,不用担心。除非是人跑出去一段距离,你追出去朝他背后开枪。只要在门口,都不要紧。那种情况下,你都不一定会记得准你总共开了几枪。
这还是你想当然了,建议你上一个枪械课程。你会了解对绝大多数的人,在现场遇到紧急情况和在电脑前慢慢分析是绝对天差地别的。
绝大多数的人一辈子都不会有对人开枪的情况,到时候哪能想那么多。
到时候你得解释说地上那一枪是手抖打偏了,不能说是警告。
以后出门万一迷路还是找警察好,否则无缘无故被人杀了
问题是你不知道对方有没有武器啊,万一有呢,但是这个事件里总觉得有点防卫过当,
打枪没问题,因为又不是开着门看着打,我的理解是怕没打死不敢出门,万一被打的人还有还击能力呢?
觉得防卫过当,是因为事后发现对方没武器。要是小伙子事后被发现其实也有枪......
门后射的,谁知道他是正面还是背面。你看到的是摄像头记录的,又不是趴窗口看到的
黑的全美抗议 打砸抢零元购开始
哈哈,各种推销的通通被击毙
这女的居然笑,好歹装一下也好
Carmel 亚裔从来就没少过。
这是一言不合?这是有生命危险的好吗?前男友、撞门,哪一个不是超高危险因素?
这位宋襄公同学你好,对方只是在撞击城门,不能放箭,等门破后肉搏不敌才可以考虑。
推销的敢撞门,估计活不下来几个。高危职业。
这种和推销的能一样吗?!
Carmel现在10%, 以前确实不多,现在Carmel High中国人很多。
背后那一枪也没毛病,一个能疯到把前女友家大门撞开的人,被开枪激怒了要是没死谁知道他以后会干什么?比如说要是他车里有武器,逃出门车里拿把枪杀回来呢?或者第二天趁老爸不在家,又上门把女儿杀了呢?
法律上不会因为别人有可能会杀你,就可以允许你先杀人啊。“可能”只是推测,推测不一定准确。 对方没有明确伤人的情况下,谁下狠手谁过错大。
人命关天是典型没融入的表现, 中国人的传统思维
开抢,而且一定要打死, 才是真融入
破门而入 is not 一言不合
“你骂我父母,我杀你全家”是快意恩仇的正常价值观,也没毛病。
就是,终究是草菅人命。
枪击他腿部或者其他非重要部位就行了。。。好歹是一条人命啊。。。
不是说关着门吗?怎么看见对方转身逃跑?门内连打着没有都不知道,纯粹是盲打吧! 另外,美国每个州法律不一样。
吕家是被罗同学灭门的
家里备一个可以使人丧失攻击能力的防狼喷雾就够够了,其实有点面粉也够防身了。如果不够的话,那你有枪也没用,因为在你身体条件差很多的情况下,有枪更危险。
版上这些开口就是没毛病,击毙的,听上去好酷哦,你们有用枪的经验吗?
这家的情况不是一个女的单独在家,是他她爹也在家!!!她没有人身危险!
真是幼稚可笑,以为人人都是神枪手,指哪打哪,隔着门,还能只打腿,这要求,比圣母还圣母。 你知道男的有没有枪,万一回到车上去拿枪,后果不堪设想。
果然美国的法官同情凶手都是有群众基础的。
美国没有恋旧一说 分了就是陌生人 打死没啥好内疚
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
A castle doctrine, also known as a castle law or a defense of habitation law, is a legal doctrine that designates a person's abode or any legally occupied place (for example, a vehicle or home) as a place in which that person has protections and immunities permitting one, in certain circumstances, to use force (up to and including deadly force) to defend oneself against an intruder, free from legal prosecution for the consequences of the force used.[1] The term is most commonly used in the United States, though many other countries invoke comparable principles in their laws.
每个州具体条款不一样,但是人可以在自己的家里对抗intruder
幼稚,打而不打死才是一辈子麻烦
你说说那些推销员和卖饼干的学生被打死了几个?
警察开枪都打死的,平民枪法比警察还好?
当时已经打了报警电话, 并且这个人在开枪前已经把门给撞开了, 开枪一点毛病也没有
有个日本人,16岁就被打死过。 其实就是,如果不是熟的人,最好不要随便去敲门。
这是最蠢的选择。 居然有这么多人点赞?! 等警察,警察什么时候能来?等女儿被杀之后?亦或警察来之后,看见屋主拿着枪,直接击毙?在美国,自己有枪的前提下,还什么鸣枪吓唬?什么逻辑?狗屁逻辑!圣母婊们害自己不够,还得出来害别人!
呵呵,我真在想为什么那么多没有碰过枪的人在说干得好,原来是为了彰显自己"融入"啊,哈哈哈
那热议的一半人是不是都没有融入?
btw,为什么要融入啊?欧洲人去美国为什么从来不说要融入呢?哈哈哈
他爹在家就没有人身危险? 怎么得出的这结论啊? 你怎么这么确定这老爸打得过壮男的? 这男的嗑没磕药都不知道
警告多次无效 强闯民宅 老爸隔着门打 这就是正常自卫
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine Typical conditions that apply to some castle doctrine laws include:[citation needed]
An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle.
The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties).
The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary.
The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder''s threat or use of deadly force. In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home: must be there legally; must not be fugitives from the law themselves, or aiding/abetting other fugitives; and must not use force upon an officer of the law performing a legal duty.[20]
Google Door to door salesman. Shot. Homeowner.
这样的神枪手在华人网混可真是埋没了
就像国内以前,司机开车撞到人索性就回车压死,不需要赔偿天价医疗费,只需要赔死人费。 尽管省事,却不人道。
那只能说明你的律师是傻x
所以在国内压死套瓷的才算融入?
说干的对是因为这件事情本来就已经有法规界定好了的。 美国的SFH都是没有防盗门和防盗窗的,如果break in别人家里没有这么严格的界定,那零元购和打砸抢估计就是发生在你家里了。 那些说不应该的人那就祝你们下次有人硬闯你们家的时候能气定神闲的应对。我把你们说的捋一遍, 先问清楚对方是不是手无寸铁然后深信不疑,再对着自己家某处鸣枪警告,然后再仔细瞄准,精准的在非要害部位来一枪,倒地后及时冲上去施救,最好先学个First Aid知道怎么救,别最后死了说是被你救死的。
国内撞死个农村人赔的钱可能不如城里一条狗。跟美国是两个极端
撞门,警告了有枪还继续撞,那不是找死么?
需要暴力进入家里才可以开枪的
大妈不会撞人家的门 更不会在别人警告有枪以后还继续撞门 这人就是找死
An Englishman''s home is his castle
你是在搞笑吧。试想有匪徒在撞你的门,你是准备怎么做,难道还帮他开门?当然是警告了之后对着门开枪啊。你以为是菜场啊,后面还站着人。
根据女方的回忆: 1-女方父母反复请求男方离开,男方不听 2-男方撞门,父亲用身体顶门,但是男方占了上风 3-男方砸破了玻璃,门框也开始松动(有的报道说门已经被撞开) 4-开枪的时候女方已经在报警 如果这些属实,男方妥妥的intruder找死
The young woman said she came home to find her ex-boyfriend in front of her house on the morning of July 31. She went inside and slammed the door before alerting her father and mother that Rayl was there. Allyson Duckro told the investigator that they considered calling the cops but were hesitant, so they instead first tried to talk to Rayl through the Ring doorbell, telling him to leave several times.
"He kept ringing the doorbell… and once the Ring doorbell rings, when you start talking to it, it just starts recording," she explained. "So, you can hear dad and mom both — because I was saying I don’t want to talk to him — saying, ‘hey, man, she doesn’t want to talk to you. It’s best if you just leave her right now and if she wants to reach out, she will.’ And he just stood there ignoring us."
Allyson Duckro said that her dad went around to the garage to try to get Rayl to answer, but that’s when her ex-boyfriend began fiddling with the front door handle, so her dad went and got his gun "just in case." Rayl then began "really busting on the door," she added.
She said her dad went over and began physically holding the door shut, but "I don’t even know how, because you saw my dad and he’s a big man, but he somehow starts overpowering my dad" from the other side of the door.
Allyson Duckro said she was on the phone with 911 by that point when Rayl broke the glass and the door frame became loose, and she went to hide before hearing gunshots. Police arrived on the scene soon after.
就事论事。 最讨厌这种抓住一点就引申。什么亚洲人都凶残都来了。什么人啊
有的州确实有规定不能隔着门开枪,但是因为已经在破门,这时候开枪基本上都会判无罪。所有的判罚基本都会有合理性判定,但都很宽松,从来不会要求当事人在压力面前始终保持冷静,非常理智地做出最合理地判断。
放枪威胁走这个做法:
1、违法。 2、会给自己带来人身和法律的风险。
在美国不要警告射击,不要警告射击。要么打,要么不打。没有警告射击这个做法。
在美国的任何州,这个agent说的都有法律问题
根据所在的州法,在我知道的大部分州,如果你保护你的女儿免受致命威胁,你开枪就是合法的,对方没有枪,不代表没有致命威胁。
另外你想打伤对方,而不打死。。。
1)射击技术而言,你做不到。能做到这一点的人,不会这么说。
2)从法律来说,你需要知道,你打死,或者打伤,或者没打到。如果开枪本身这件事情是对的,你的法律状态都是一样的。
先教一下你儿子,不要跑到别人家破门,别纠缠女孩子,别看到别人老爸在,还撞门。
补枪和不打911都不属实,可以看看视频和新闻报道
其实你说的不是共识。
你说的是你认为的理解,,,,而且是中国大陆特色的理解。
说错了,我家是女儿。如果你的也是女儿,那确实得提醒别人的家长,不值得,否则年轻人一旦冲动,会被打死。所以如果我家是儿子,绝对不找这种女的,又没怎么优秀,不过这男的也是活该,找了这种女的,自己找死没办法
不过看这父女俩神态轻松,笑容可掬的样子,觉得也不是啥善叉
人都不给开门,让你走。还说有枪了。你还在那里试图闯进去。这不是威胁什么是威胁。
对,父亲是一口气打的,没有补枪 撞门的时候女方已经在打911了 另外,这男的吸毒,说不定当时是在毒品状态下,毁了他的是愚蠢 or/and 毒品,面对有枪的警告还任性地继续撞门
而且,大家注意一点:顶楼写这个案子是jury判的,也就是jury里面的普通人认同女方当时感受到的威胁,换成他们,他们也认为当时开枪是合乎情理的
要分州,不能一概而论。
要看是否有stand in your groud条款
我觉得你还是不要讨论枪了。。。。
你能告诉我,美国有哪个州不允许持枪吗?
这个父亲打死人的做法在许多州也不合法。 但在Ohio没问题。
不会闯家门也可能有其他理由一枪毙了你,就像那个四十多岁精神出毛病的女博士,按这个帖子的观点她也有权利维护自己的家不被外人入侵,她还不是打死了。 文明的社会就不应该有这种每人都拿着枪来杀人维护自己的常态,violent shithole 才会认为这是正常的
这个地方的判断分为2层:
1、撞门是否可以被视为致命威胁。。。。如果在门被锁的情况下,对方用暴力破门而入,对我来说这就是致命威胁了。。。
2、要看是否有退让条款,如果有,那么必须先退让,退无可退才可以反击。但是我在的加州是没有退让条款的,直接反击就好。
不一样,城堡不适于执法人员强行进入的情况 建议你看看我的引用 文明世界没有坏人强闯的情况?你生活在乌托邦吧?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine Typical conditions that apply to some castle doctrine laws include:[citation needed]
An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle.
The intruder must be acting unlawfully (the castle doctrine does not allow a right to use force against officers of the law, acting in the course of their legal duties).
The occupant(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home. Some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary.
The occupant(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated an intrusion; or, provoked/instigated an intruder''''s threat or use of deadly force. In all cases, the occupant(s) of the home: must be there legally; must not be fugitives from the law themselves, or aiding/abetting other fugitives; and must not use force upon an officer of the law performing a legal duty.[20]
你需要理解一个事情,枪不是关键。
棒球棒,撬棍,拳头,刀……都可能造成致命威胁。
从美国的判例来说,隔着门开枪自卫的例子很多。
不要随便对某个行为说不。
别瞎扯蛋了。。。
美国法律中没有正当防卫这个概念。
别瞎扯了。。。你不懂美国的法律。
这里没有“正当防卫”这个概念。
注意2点:
1、美国只有合法开枪和不合法开枪,没有“正当防卫”这个概念。
2、开枪的目的是中止致命威胁,对方反身逃跑不代表致命威胁结束。有逃跑中的坏人回手一枪打死好人的案例。
3、是否允许追击,又是第三件事情,要看州法。
加州也有不退让条款。
加州法律在这个细节上,没有差异,同样支持。
如果你自己不懂法律。。。就不要胡扯“远远可以开枪”这句话了。
在加州,有不退让的条款,反而是有些州需要退让。
人家说了,我不看我不看,只有我自己以为的才是事实。
能说出“正当防卫”这几个字的。。。
基本=不太懂美国相关法律。
因为都是键盘圣母啊
这是正解,刑事责任大概率不会有,民事不好说。