In Australia, AFAIK, sometimes a tiny party, or a single MP of no particular or professional background who is elected by merely a tiny number of voters, can decide the fate or future of whole nation with possibly great effect for long time. So-called Democracy!!! Isn''t it great?
"不让普通老百姓讲话的制度再怎么好， 也不会很多国家去效仿的" 只有中国傻逼， 还认为美国有什么民主 https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1415742519846055937 Jen Psaki just said “We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation.” Should be terrifying to anyone who values free speech. Big tech companies are now default state actors. https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1416107950549217282 Jen Psaki says if one social media platform bans you, they all should. This is White House directed collusion. beefcuurtain98 发表于 2021-07-16 15:05
I guess a lack of suitable political philosophy and pragmatic policy-making could be possibly a recent setback in Taiwan. Perhaps Taiwan really needs to design strategy and define direction to prepare a viable roadmap for integrating to Mainland, I would think. Q 中国大陆实际上是世界第四大芯片生产国，与日本基本持平，月产能为318.4万片200mm等效晶圆，份额为15.3%。需要注意的是，中国制造的逻辑芯片绝大多数都是采用28nm或更旧的节点处理，因此目前还无法真正用于需要真正高性能的设备，例如主流和高端PC。此外，在中国大陆设有晶圆厂的三星和 SK 海力士并不急于将其领先技术转移到中国。 https://club.6parkbbs.com/finance/index.php?app=forum&act=threadview&tid=14511374
EvenOdd 发表于 2021-07-16 14:14
< Perhaps Taiwan really needs to design strategy and define direction to prepare a viable roadmap for integrating to Mainland, I would think. > Q 廣州市始終秉承「兩岸一家親」的理念，率先同台灣同胞分享大陸發展機遇，持續促進兩岸經濟文化交流合作，深化兩岸融合發展，增進兩岸同胞親情福祉。自2018年成功舉辦「築夢珠江 展翅飛翔——台灣大學生廣州實習體驗活動」以來，共吸引來自島內100多所高校、近2000名台灣大學生，在廣州近150家企事業單位與科研院所進行實習體驗。 https://www.hkcd.com/content/2021-07/15/content_1280924.html
Historically the Chinese have been by far the best at governance. Why should the present and future be different? 10/05/21, Global Times The real test of governing systems is not their performance over a brief period like the last seventy years, but over a much longer historical period. For the last two millennia, the Chinese system of governance has been far superior to all others. The West insists that its system of democracy cannot be improved upon and is of universal application, China included. There are, however, strong reasons to believe that the future of Western democracy is far from certain. Certainly over the last four decades it has been out-performed by China’s governance.
By Martin Jacques The author was until recently a Senior Fellow at the Department of Politics and International Studies at Cambridge University. He is a Visiting Professor at the Institute of Modern International Relations at Tsinghua University and a Senior Fellow at the China Institute, Fudan University. Follow him on twitter @martjacques. [email protected]
Perhaps there are certain things we could learn from the historical facts below in order to design or search the ideal lands we want. 1. Some countries sent many of their people as passengers (who were not nobles or scholars that were protected by comtemporary laws) to other continents and occupy these continents by conquering the indigenous . Instead of feeding and providing those passegers for better livelihood and education opportunities. 2. Many 3rd world countries that were once colonies having western style political systems (oppositions, oppositions, and oppositions) are still having problems nowadays (including very serious and fundamental ones). We can look at the international news of today easily . Maybe we should be patient and open-minded to see the so-far successful experiment and humble achievements of economic development of modern China today! Of course, there may be long way to go in order to attain a desired level of overall cultured Chinese on top of materialistic progress, however further encouragement should be definitely required. Just my simple opinion here - worth 2 cents! 也许我们可以从下面的历史事实中学到一些东西，以便设计或搜索我们想要的理想土地。 1. 一些国家将本国的许多人（不是受当时法律保护的贵族或学者）作为乘客送往其他大陆，并通过征服土著人占领这些大陆。而不是为这些乘客提供食物和提供更好的生计和教育机会。 2、许多曾经是殖民地的第三世界国家，拥有西式政治制度（反对派、反对派、反对派），如今仍然存在问题（包括非常严重和根本性的问题）。我们可以很容易地看到今天的国际新闻。 或许我们应该耐心、豁达地看到今天中国近代经济发展迄今取得的成功实验和不起眼的成就！ 当然，要想在物质上进步的基础上达到理想的整体文化水平，还有很长的路要走，但肯定需要进一步的鼓励。 只是我的简单意见 - 价值 2 美分！ EvenOdd 发表于 2021-07-16 03:44
< western style political systems (oppositions, oppositions, and oppositions) > Democratic, or authoritative?
Historically the Chinese have been by far the best at governance. Why should the present and future be different? 10/05/21, Global Times The real test of governing systems is not their performance over a brief period like the last seventy years, but over a much longer historical period. For the last two millennia, the Chinese system of governance has been far superior to all others. The West insists that its system of democracy cannot be improved upon and is of universal application, China included. There are, however, strong reasons to believe that the future of Western democracy is far from certain. Certainly over the last four decades it has been out-performed by China’s governance.
By Martin Jacques The author was until recently a Senior Fellow at the Department of Politics and International Studies at Cambridge University. He is a Visiting Professor at the Institute of Modern International Relations at Tsinghua University and a Senior Fellow at the China Institute, Fudan University. Follow him on twitter @martjacques. [email protected] EvenOdd 发表于 2021-07-16 17:26
< There are, however, strong reasons to believe that the future of Western democracy is far from certain. > +1
Perhaps mixing up the various ways of Election and the reality of Democracy would be the major problem. Especially voters can be manipulated sometimes by politicians in order to gain benefits of politicians. Instead, politicians should work for the benefits of the whole nation in long run, as well as the voters who even lived away from an elected politician individually. 也许将各种选举方式与民主的现实混为一谈将是主要问题。 特别是选民有时会被政客操纵，以获取政客的利益。 相反，从长远来看，政治家应该为整个国家的利益而工作，以及那些甚至远离民选政治家的选民。
Historically the Chinese have been by far the best at governance. Why should the present and future be different? 10/05/21, Global Times The real test of governing systems is not their performance over a brief period like the last seventy years, but over a much longer historical period. For the last two millennia, the Chinese system of governance has been far superior to all others. The West insists that its system of democracy cannot be improved upon and is of universal application, China included. There are, however, strong reasons to believe that the future of Western democracy is far from certain. Certainly over the last four decades it has been out-performed by China’s governance.
By Martin Jacques The author was until recently a Senior Fellow at the Department of Politics and International Studies at Cambridge University. He is a Visiting Professor at the Institute of Modern International Relations at Tsinghua University and a Senior Fellow at the China Institute, Fudan University. Follow him on twitter @martjacques. [email protected] EvenOdd 发表于 2021-07-16 17:26
According to own track record, perhaps the US alone needs to redefine her overall strategy and policy ( such as acting merely like a mediator - Never get directly involved in wars) when engaging in international stage to deal with so many other nations.
US can’t accept painful fact that China is now its equal 23/03/21, Global Times The US-China High Level Dialogue in Anchorage was highly revealing. The strong criticisms made by Yang Jiechi and Wang Yi, in the presence of the global media, about the United States suggested a new kind of self-confidence on the part of China in its growing strength. It certainly took Blinken and Sullivan by surprise. The US message, meanwhile, is that Biden is reading from the Trump playbook on China, with a soft edge or two. Why there has been an overwhelming failure in the West to understand the Chinese Communist Party 06/04/21, Global Times The Chinese Communist Party is like no other party in the world. It requires us to rethink the very idea of what a political party is. The West believes the CPC is no more than a clone of the CPSU. In fact, it could hardly be more different. The CPSU was a catastrophic historical failure: the CPC is hugely successful. The former was frozen; the latter highly innovative, constantly on the move. It is deeply rooted in Chinese society, a hybrid of Chinese Marxism and Confucianism, shaped by and as complex as Chinese civilization of which it is a fundamental part.
< Perhaps Taiwan really needs to design strategy and define direction to prepare a viable roadmap for integrating to Mainland, I would think. > Q 廣州市始終秉承「兩岸一家親」的理念，率先同台灣同胞分享大陸發展機遇，持續促進兩岸經濟文化交流合作，深化兩岸融合發展，增進兩岸同胞親情福祉。自2018年成功舉辦「築夢珠江 展翅飛翔——台灣大學生廣州實習體驗活動」以來，共吸引來自島內100多所高校、近2000名台灣大學生，在廣州近150家企事業單位與科研院所進行實習體驗。 https://www.hkcd.com/content/2021-07/15/content_1280924.html EvenOdd 发表于 2021-07-16 17:09
呵呵，你要么是真傻，要么是装睡，总之叫不醒的。 我在中国几乎所有的朋友同学，都对现在的发展趋势忧心仲仲。你以为前几十年的大发展是靠文官”精英“拍脑袋拍出来的？邓小平唯一的智慧和贡献，就是他意识到领导中国人民的关键就是“get out of their way". 可是现在呢？国进民退，定于一尊，不得妄议。到处都是敌对势力，举报成风。阿里滴滴说杀就杀，随意到了极点。人民保命都来不及，还有发展的动力？ 我以前也非常不解，明明实践检验过的正确路线，而且世界也支持欢迎，为啥非要开倒车。现在我逐渐明白了，就是老生常谈的那句：没有政治体制的保驾护航，经济改革的成就非常脆弱。 那么这个政治体制是什么呢？就是议会代表的分权和议政讨价划价。议会也是个发展过程，但是他的核心意识就是，神仙皇帝是靠不住的（精英当然也靠不住），唯一靠得住的是自己。一开始的时候，当然只是一些高级贵族为了自己的利益，但是只要是这样的一个”只能靠自己“的核心意识，以后自然就会逐渐扩大到资产阶级，中产阶级，甚至下层阶级。 中国体制和这个以议会为代表的体制的根本矛盾，就是中国还是坚持精英是靠得住得，是”特殊材料做成的“么。你的信仰的基本逻辑，就是这点。
呵呵，你要么是真傻，要么是装睡，总之叫不醒的。 我在中国几乎所有的朋友同学，都对现在的发展趋势忧心仲仲。你以为前几十年的大发展是靠文官”精英“拍脑袋拍出来的？邓小平唯一的智慧和贡献，就是他意识到领导中国人民的关键就是“get out of their way". 可是现在呢？国进民退，定于一尊，不得妄议。到处都是敌对势力，举报成风。阿里滴滴说杀就杀，随意到了极点。人民保命都来不及，还有发展的动力？ 我以前也非常不解，明明实践检验过的正确路线，而且世界也支持欢迎，为啥非要开倒车。现在我逐渐明白了，就是老生常谈的那句：没有政治体制的保驾护航，经济改革的成就非常脆弱。 那么这个政治体制是什么呢？就是议会代表的分权和议政讨价划价。议会也是个发展过程，但是他的核心意识就是，神仙皇帝是靠不住的（精英当然也靠不住），唯一靠得住的是自己。一开始的时候，当然只是一些高级贵族为了自己的利益，但是只要是这样的一个”只能靠自己“的核心意识，以后自然就会逐渐扩大到资产阶级，中产阶级，甚至下层阶级。 中国体制和这个以议会为代表的体制的根本矛盾，就是中国还是坚持精英是靠得住得，是”特殊材料做成的“么。你的信仰的基本逻辑，就是这点。 cadgn 发表于 2021-07-17 10:52
Likely China would be the major resistance countering the US of doing thinks historically, as the US (especially being a Christian concentration) should treat others in a more equitable and fair way against developing nations. . Q 【金句回放】習近平：站在歷史正確的一邊 站在人類進步的一邊 來源：香港商報網 2021-07-16 【金句回放】習近平：中國永遠是發展中國家大家庭的一員 來源：香港商報網 2021-07-15
Q Can the West’s democracy survive China’s rise to dominance? The following article by Martin Jacques was a contribution to the debate on the Economist website on the theme ‘Should the West worry about the threat to liberal values posed by China’s rise?’ For long the West has thought that history is on its side, that the global future would and should be in its own image. With the end of the cold war and the implosion of the Soviet Union, this conviction became stronger than ever. The future was Western; nothing else was imaginable. Of course, already, well before the end of the cold war, in 1978 to be exact, China had started its epic modernisation such that, in the annals of history, 1978 will surely prove to be a far more significant year than 1989. During China’s rise, hubris continued to shape the West’s perception and understanding of China. As the latter modernised it would become increasingly Western, it was supposed: Deng’s reforms marked the beginning of the privatisation and marketisation of the Chinese economy—its political system would in time become Western, otherwise China would inevitably fail.
Q Can the West’s democracy survive China’s rise to dominance? The following article by Martin Jacques was a contribution to the debate on the Economist website on the theme ‘Should the West worry about the threat to liberal values posed by China’s rise?’ For long the West has thought that history is on its side, that the global future would and should be in its own image. With the end of the cold war and the implosion of the Soviet Union, this conviction became stronger than ever. The future was Western; nothing else was imaginable. Of course, already, well before the end of the cold war, in 1978 to be exact, China had started its epic modernisation such that, in the annals of history, 1978 will surely prove to be a far more significant year than 1989. During China’s rise, hubris continued to shape the West’s perception and understanding of China. As the latter modernised it would become increasingly Western, it was supposed: Deng’s reforms marked the beginning of the privatisation and marketisation of the Chinese economy—its political system would in time become Western, otherwise China would inevitably fail.
< 但我绝对不认为中国的制度会是人类的未来。> Awaiting your thesis! EvenOdd 发表于 2021-07-18 13:48
Perhaps based on human behaviour statistically, hypothetically a nation should be designed to be 1Country4Systems. That would allow citizens to relocate to another province, from one system (say, having a 4-year election cycle) to another system (say, 10-year election cycle, maximum 3 terms), etc. ...
12 Apr 2021 — Vietnam country profile · Vietnam, a one-party Communist state, has one of south-east Asia's fastest-growing economies and has set its sights on ...
12 Apr 2021 — Vietnam country profile · Vietnam, a one-party Communist state, has one of south-east Asia's fastest-growing economies and has set its sights on ... EvenOdd 发表于 2021-07-18 15:36
Perhaps we need to do research. What is an qualified able person with proven track record to be CEO of a relatively big size nation, whether the person is elected/selected : A. by all citizens, or B. by only representatives. Then we study by using proper measures and samples to evaluate whether A style or B style would elect/select better candidate as CEO, in term of probability we estimate for individuals. I think A may not be better than B, or B may not be worse than A. Objectively speaking.
Q The 17 best-governed countries in the world https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/17-best-governed-countries-world-a7417096.html 17. Japan16. Belgium15. Austria14. Ireland13. Australia12. Iceland11. United Kingdom 10. Germany9. Canada8. Luxembourg7. Denmark6. Switzerland 5. Sweden4. Netherlands3. Norway2. New Zealand 1. Finland — Perhaps unsurprisingly, a Nordic state tops the list. Finland tops the list, climbing four places from last year's index. The country's current prime minister is Juha Sipilä.
Q The Five Most Common Political Systems Around the World https://www.checkli.com/checklists/viewro/5b3f1af43a837 1. Democracy (including Direct Democracy, and Representative Democracy) 2. Republic (including Single Party, Capitalist, Crowned, Federal, and Parliamentary) 3. Monarchy 4. Communism 5. Dictatorship
我觉得这都是我们这些海外华人的想法 中国很多人，包括我的同学和亲戚们，都觉得政府替他们做决定挺好的
In Australia, AFAIK, sometimes a tiny party, or a single MP of no particular or professional background who is elected by merely a tiny number of voters, can decide the fate or future of whole nation with possibly great effect for long time.
So-called Democracy!!! Isn''t it great?
民意肯定要有上传的渠道，至于这个渠道是不是必须是西式民主制度，that's a different question
美國人民懶得做主
中國人民被迫當奴
並不是只有西方民主 是向上傳的渠道
重庆业主因车位纠纷与公安冲突 居民：防暴警察开枪镇压
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They won't
你只能在 大計員那些辱華刊物看到
< Perhaps Taiwan really needs to design strategy and define direction to prepare a viable roadmap for integrating to Mainland, I would think. >
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https://www.hkcd.com/content/2021-07/15/content_1280924.html
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Historically the Chinese have been by far the best at governance. Why should the present and future be different? 10/05/21, Global Times The real test of governing systems is not their performance over a brief period like the last seventy years, but over a much longer historical period. For the last two millennia, the Chinese system of governance has been far superior to all others. The West insists that its system of democracy cannot be improved upon and is of universal application, China included. There are, however, strong reasons to believe that the future of Western democracy is far from certain. Certainly over the last four decades it has been out-performed by China’s governance.
By Martin Jacques The author was until recently a Senior Fellow at the Department of Politics and International Studies at Cambridge University. He is a Visiting Professor at the Institute of Modern International Relations at Tsinghua University and a Senior Fellow at the China Institute, Fudan University. Follow him on twitter @martjacques. [email protected]
看朝鲜逃出来的 在朝鲜时也觉得金三胖很好 每天都在为朝鲜人民吃好过好幸福生活努力 出来后发现每张有三胖的照片 三胖总是最胖的一个
< western style political systems (oppositions, oppositions, and oppositions) >
Democratic, or authoritative?
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整篇没谈到民主制度 罗列了一些对社会现象的观察。。。
得了吧，看看国内那些党委书记们的嘴脸，人才流失怪美国？
这句话怎么一听就是浓浓的党宣风。人能过上好生活从来都是要靠自己，社会制度跟政府是保底的，不作死少碍手碍脚的就是好制度。
良心下水道？
汶川地政没看过？
自己的观点错了，很很难受，勇于承认还是decent的人。自己loser了，还要狡辩自己观点正确，就遗笑四方了。
蓝营里面的神经分裂特别多。
简单点儿，多民族，多种族，没有民族主义支撑，地方还各有一套，拥枪，没有举国体制拼奥运，大部分人还非要移民去，本身就说明问题了。
< There are, however, strong reasons to believe that the future of Western democracy is far from certain. >
+1
Perhaps due to too much water overflowing from Xinjiang?
这么说沙特的制度也很好，毕竟沙特人民比中国有钱多了
当下谈及的所谓民主，无非是符合资格公民的每人一票投票权，可此权力不过是几年一次改选总统和地区政客，跟国家大是决策没直接关系，选上去的人决策不符合意愿可以几年后换掉，仅此而已。
Perhaps mixing up the various ways of Election and the reality of Democracy would be the major problem.
Especially voters can be manipulated sometimes by politicians in order to gain benefits of politicians.
Instead, politicians should work for the benefits of the whole nation in long run, as well as the voters who even lived away from an elected politician individually. 也许将各种选举方式与民主的现实混为一谈将是主要问题。 特别是选民有时会被政客操纵，以获取政客的利益。 相反，从长远来看，政治家应该为整个国家的利益而工作，以及那些甚至远离民选政治家的选民。
Q “民主” - 改善人民的生活为主! Democracy - Improving People"s Livelihood predominantly!
"自由" - 优化自我控制的合理化水平！ Freedom/Liberty - Optimising Self-control Rationalisation level! UQ
中文没学好？掠夺是非自愿的获取。怎么掠夺了？
自己花钱来读书，申请。反而觉得是被掠夺了。
限制h1b，不要掠夺，一群人骂美国，争着抢着要求被掠夺。
According to own track record, perhaps the US alone needs to redefine her overall strategy and policy ( such as acting merely like a mediator - Never get directly involved in wars) when engaging in international stage to deal with so many other nations.
Not easy to attain, but feasible!
Q http://www.martinjacques.com/
US can’t accept painful fact that China is now its equal 23/03/21, Global Times The US-China High Level Dialogue in Anchorage was highly revealing. The strong criticisms made by Yang Jiechi and Wang Yi, in the presence of the global media, about the United States suggested a new kind of self-confidence on the part of China in its growing strength. It certainly took Blinken and Sullivan by surprise. The US message, meanwhile, is that Biden is reading from the Trump playbook on China, with a soft edge or two.
Why there has been an overwhelming failure in the West to understand the Chinese Communist Party 06/04/21, Global Times The Chinese Communist Party is like no other party in the world. It requires us to rethink the very idea of what a political party is. The West believes the CPC is no more than a clone of the CPSU. In fact, it could hardly be more different. The CPSU was a catastrophic historical failure: the CPC is hugely successful. The former was frozen; the latter highly innovative, constantly on the move. It is deeply rooted in Chinese society, a hybrid of Chinese Marxism and Confucianism, shaped by and as complex as Chinese civilization of which it is a fundamental part.
台灣已經進化到 全民菁英
西台灣地區 卻退化到
半數人口奴工體制
除非
西台灣人民覺醒革命 否則 台灣幫不上啥忙
西台灣地區 人民開始革命了
官逼民反！武昌拆遷戶怒弒黨官
汶川地震 美國偵測得到 藏不了
但今年的
西台灣地區水災災情
特別是我生日時的北京災情
你 有看到
黨 報導嗎?
大陸水災，7月1日北京再發生暴雨、雷電、冰雹…部份地區輕微水災 洪水淹水，極端天氣，四預警預警齊發，再降密冰雹，民眾驚訝狼狽！
不对。我在国内的朋友同学，基本上都忧心忡忡，跟几年前的精气神大不一样了。都是一线城市政经圈的中高层。
唯一还比较提气的就是抗役是个亮点。
呵呵，你要么是真傻，要么是装睡，总之叫不醒的。
我在中国几乎所有的朋友同学，都对现在的发展趋势忧心仲仲。你以为前几十年的大发展是靠文官”精英“拍脑袋拍出来的？邓小平唯一的智慧和贡献，就是他意识到领导中国人民的关键就是“get out of their way". 可是现在呢？国进民退，定于一尊，不得妄议。到处都是敌对势力，举报成风。阿里滴滴说杀就杀，随意到了极点。人民保命都来不及，还有发展的动力？
我以前也非常不解，明明实践检验过的正确路线，而且世界也支持欢迎，为啥非要开倒车。现在我逐渐明白了，就是老生常谈的那句：没有政治体制的保驾护航，经济改革的成就非常脆弱。
那么这个政治体制是什么呢？就是议会代表的分权和议政讨价划价。议会也是个发展过程，但是他的核心意识就是，神仙皇帝是靠不住的（精英当然也靠不住），唯一靠得住的是自己。一开始的时候，当然只是一些高级贵族为了自己的利益，但是只要是这样的一个”只能靠自己“的核心意识，以后自然就会逐渐扩大到资产阶级，中产阶级，甚至下层阶级。
中国体制和这个以议会为代表的体制的根本矛盾，就是中国还是坚持精英是靠得住得，是”特殊材料做成的“么。你的信仰的基本逻辑，就是这点。
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https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/夏宝龙
1983年11月，夏宝龙离开共青团系统，出任中共天津市河西区委街道部部长。1984年8月，他出任体院北街街道（今天塔街道）党委书记。1985年12月，他升为河西区副区长。1993年10月，他再升为河西区区长，中共天津市河西区委副书记。1996年6月至1997年10月，他同时担任河西区区长、区委书记。期间，他自1994年9月至1997年7月在天津市委党校马克思主义哲学专业在职研究生学习，还参加了1995年9月至1996年7月的中共中央党校一年制中青年干部培训班。
1997年10月，45岁的夏宝龙升任天津市人民政府副市长，并在中共十五大上，当选中央候补委员。1998年，任中共天津市委常委、天津市常务副市长。期间，他自1999年9月至2002年7月在北京大学经济学院政治经济学专业在职研究生学习，穫得經濟學博士學位，导师为吴树青，学位论文题目为《体制转型中的中小企业——兼对天津市中小企业的实证分析》。
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2021年7月，夏寶龍在全國港澳研究會的研討會上，寄語香港特區政府須肩負更大責任，並展望未來香港須解決住房難題。[17]
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I think the emphasis mentioned should be a matter of priority - MBO (management by objective)!
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對於銀行來說，這香港不僅是聯通中國市場的中轉區，而且本身就是一個很有價值的市場。香港的前哨基地為海外公司提供了增長，因為來自海外的某些形式的收入因新冠病毒大流行而動搖。例如，諮詢公司畢馬威（KPMG）的數據顯示，摩根士丹利（Morgan Stanley）去年在香港的資產激增70%，成為香港持牌銀行中增長最快的銀行。 美國及其他國際大銀行，多年來一直管控著在香港的業務風險，他們不會很快退出一個市場成熟且日益表現出彈性的城市。 貝萊德投資管理公司和美國銀行的香港代表均表示，美中關係緊張的爆發，令他們毫不畏懼，也不會影響他們在香港的業務。
他們說，很多公司都沒有掉入拜登政府設的陷阱。美國香港商會，其成員包括花旗銀行、摩根大通、高盛集團等，表示剛剛在香港市中心購買了新的辦事處，並計劃與政府官員合作應對近期的動蕩。 美國香港商會發布的一份聲明說，"美國商會非常清楚日益複雜的地緣政治環境及其風險。"我們在這裏支持我們的會員應對這些挑戰和風險，同時也抓住在該地區開展業務的機遇。 所有這些都顯示，華爾街的金融機構和在香港的美國公司，都對拜登政府的所謂香港營商的法治風險說「不」。他們不願放棄借助香港實現與中國同步發展的「中國夢」。（作者： 白碩 ）
1）你这话题转移的。。。 现在不否认现代企业制度必然是精英制度了？
2）中国对阿里滴滴这种垄断性企业的强监管，也正是美国目前想做的，根本完全没有区别。。 真要说区别无非就是，中国政府觉得有必要做，所以就做了。 而美国政府虽然也觉得有必要做，但面临既得利益阶层，特别是庞大的国会游说集团，做得很艰难。。 FTC对FB的垄断指控竟然直接被dismiss，真是奇葩。。
当然，你可以说所谓这代表美国更注重程序正义云云， 但最终结果就是美国政府不管是决策速度还是执行力都出现问题，大量common sense的东西就是推行不了，陷入旷日持久的无止尽的法律扯皮。。除了肥了律师和游说人，想不出对社会还有啥好处。。
3）你一开始说所谓议会，是想论证英国议会系统一个是代表普通人利益，另一个是稳定 但真实的英国历史完全不支持你这两点，所以你再转换话题也没用啊。。
能不能正面回答一下，所谓大宪章和底层屁民有啥关系？ 能不能正面回答一下，所谓搞了800年议会的英国，有没有发生过玫瑰战争到保皇/议会内战的情况？
至于啥只要搞议会就会扩大到中产阶级乃至下层阶级。。。 别搞笑了，英国800年议会有毛用。大宪章的时候大约是中国南宋中叶，结果一直都大清朝都亡了，英国普通人依然没有投票权。 英国普通男性和30岁以上的女性，一直要到1918年才有投票权。（30岁以下的成年女性获得投票权还要往后拖）。就这还是一次世界大战的尸山血海，让英国贵族死了一大片后促成的结果。。要不然估计1918年都不会给普通人投票权。。
你看？历史不好的结果，就是太容易被西方媒体洗脑，真把他们那套制度看的有多高大上。。呵呵。。。
不知有没统计数据，但感觉各国极力宣传其他国家负面新闻远超正面报道，欧美从不报道中国到但凡不好事件就报怎么讲？
凡事既多面，多角度，论述基于论述者的位置和角度，如果站在留学者的位置，肯定不是人力资源掠夺，而是开阔眼界，但换成人材输出国再看，自己培养的人被经济优越吸引离去，算不算是经济优越国的人力资源的掠夺？
香港 1997 年就注定沒救了
因為
帝輪圖
不管當年吹集體領導吹得多響
紅二代們多麼願意跟著美國華爾街 割西台灣人民的韭菜 根據 帝輪圖 西台灣地區注定了要走向 一人專政
而這一人 雖然在治理國家跟面對西方制裁上頭是個草包 但 面對紅二代 把紅二代當紅韭菜割 綽綽有餘 紅二代連自己都保不了 更沒法保住香港繼續割西台灣的韭菜
人材输出国
根本不需要那麼多人才
一手限制一半人口去當中專童奴工 永無翻身機會 一手清洗國內高校 嚇死你們念國外的不敢回國當教職
你讲这多有什么用，别人拿钱发帖带风向。就是门生意，不要那么认真。 傻叉不会因为你跟他讲出了真相而感激你，反倒是因为你破坏了他的幻想而怨恨你，何必呢。
真理越辯越明啊
對方還得花錢買人陪咱們辯真理
咱們不虧啊
人的智力是有限的
鬥爭能力點到滿
治國能力就沒點到了
一堆吹捧胡搞撈錢的就上來了
武漢紅心撈了幾千億 人民沒啥感覺
武漢病毒洩了出去 全人類就遭殃了
其他國家就得把這病毒感染源給圍堵起來
Systematically!
還好現在美國開始主動卡 西台灣地區的高等人才到美國了
Likely China would be the major resistance countering the US of doing thinks historically, as the US (especially being a Christian concentration) should treat others in a more equitable and fair way against developing nations.
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黃杰在《法國會否真誠對話？馬里政變或是解殖第一步》梳理了法國對馬里的殖民歷史，讓人為當地人民遭受的不公平對待而扼腕，亦讓人看清當今法軍在西非反恐的實質意圖。馬里軍事政變後，法國一度由馬里撤軍，以威脅當地軍政府，但卻沒有得逞。現在，法國會否真誠對話、真心幫助馬里人民脫離殖民主義？
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脫離殖民主義
還是得靠
全民菁英
深刻啊！
剩下的不怎麼樣的放回本國
然後他們會去把當地的黨支書....
Can the West’s democracy survive China’s rise to dominance?
The following article by Martin Jacques was a contribution to the debate on the Economist website on the theme ‘Should the West worry about the threat to liberal values posed by China’s rise?’
For long the West has thought that history is on its side, that the global future would and should be in its own image. With the end of the cold war and the implosion of the Soviet Union, this conviction became stronger than ever. The future was Western; nothing else was imaginable. Of course, already, well before the end of the cold war, in 1978 to be exact, China had started its epic modernisation such that, in the annals of history, 1978 will surely prove to be a far more significant year than 1989. During China’s rise, hubris continued to shape the West’s perception and understanding of China. As the latter modernised it would become increasingly Western, it was supposed: Deng’s reforms marked the beginning of the privatisation and marketisation of the Chinese economy—its political system would in time become Western, otherwise China would inevitably fail.
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你又在怼了。你看不懂那是别人的建议吗？
西方民主擔心的不是
西台灣區的獨裁 是擔心
現在科技在 獨裁的無能底下
又捅出一堆樓子來 別的自己國家崩解的樓子也就算了 感染全世界死幾百萬的樓子 西方國家就不得不出來管了
比如
武漢肺炎
丘吉尔说，民主制度只是所有制度中最不坏的那个。民主制度确实有不少问题，但我绝对不认为中国的制度会是人类的未来。
江胡时期好歹搞了点集体领导，现在就是个人独裁加禁锢言路。这样的制度和俄罗斯有什么区别，和土耳其有什么区别，跟已经倒掉的穆巴拉克和萨达姆有什么区别？俄罗斯和土耳其还允许有反对党，允许媒体批评政府，中国连微信上抱怨几句都会被请去喝茶。这样的高压下，很多问题被掩盖了。看似形势一片大好，但问题爆发也就是一瞬间的事。
中共以前还吹嘘任期制，权力平稳交接。现在被打破了。你认为习会继续掌权多少年？中国以后也会面临所有独裁国家都会有的接班人问题。老独裁者指派新独裁者的制度是无法长久的。往往是强人一死，国家也就分崩离析。
以前说中国是一党制下的集体领导，具有制度优势。现在的情况，连国内的专家都不知道怎么自圆其说。
< 但我绝对不认为中国的制度会是人类的未来。>
Awaiting your thesis!
Perhaps based on human behaviour statistically, hypothetically a nation should be designed to be 1Country4Systems.
That would allow citizens to relocate to another province, from one system (say, having a 4-year election cycle) to another system (say, 10-year election cycle, maximum 3 terms), etc. ...
"自由" - 优化自我控制的合理化水平！ Freedom/Liberty - Optimising Self-control Rationalisation level! UQ
中国现在是一党专政。美国是两党专政。仅此而已。 https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2705584&fid=384&page=1
< 但我绝对不认为中国的制度会是人类的未来。>
BTW, too much worry too early!
Singapore
China
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中国自习修宪以来，已经不仅仅是一党制，而是个人独裁。越南新加坡都在一党制框架下，推行更公开透明的选举制度。但中国完全是背道而驰。
Will see!
我对丘吉尔评价极低，别和我扯丘吉尔 中国的制度只要适合自己就好了，每个国家都要根据自身情况寻求适合自己的制度
我觉得吧，相信世上存在这么一套可以不顾各自文化，价值观，历史，社会发展阶段，民族构成等各种客观条件巨大不同的通行全球的普世性制度，本身就是已经被西方洗脑表现。
如果你认为适合中国的制度就是定为一尊，不可妄议，那我无话可说。十年前宣传的集体领导和任期制还算不算数？如果继续搞个人崇拜甚至终身制你也支持吗？
帝制
是人類的過去
不是未來
黨制 只會在帝輪圖中 一直輪迴 跳不出去
所以啊
馬克思主義本來就是忽悠
没试过别的制度，怎么就能确定现在的是好的呢？呵呵。。 斯德哥尔摩综合症深度患者。
政治制度可以不同，但民主自由是普世价值，连动物把它们关起来都要逃跑，何况人乎？你在国内高喊民主自由试试？
你说的很客观，我也是这样感觉
專制 的無能導致 肺炎病毒的洩漏
西方民主的無能 導致 阻止瘟疫的遲緩
只有
全民菁英
才能 跳出三界外 不在帝輪內
体制好坏，可以用各种客观数据来衡量。。。
如果依然想不通的，建议可以搬去印度住几个月感受一下。。。 印度不乐意去的，其它各种发展中国家都可以，体会一下什么才是一个搞民主制度的发展中国家"正常状态“
1）正是因为胡温时期集体领导的软弱无能，无力推动各种深层改革，才导致了有足够党内共识，在习近平这届集中权力。。
2）我不觉得习近平会搞终身制，这点我们可以走着看
我只知道乌泱泱的印度人，菲律宾人放弃他们的民主自由制度，跑去没有民主也没有自由的新加坡/迪拜/香港等地打工。。。
江澤民 知道怎麼控制國外資本 的侵略
刁 不知道
深層改革 也就是
清流黨 取代 嚴黨
更慘
新加坡號稱自由
香港 自從被
刁 國安了之後
也開始逃亡了....
历史 • 民主共和国 1918年5月28日 • 苏维埃社会主义共和国 1920年4月28日 • 脱离苏联独立 1991年8月30日（公开宣布）1991年10月18日（正式独立） • 采用宪法 1995年11月12日 ... 憲法上阿塞拜疆是一個半總統制的多黨制民主國家，但事實上整個政府運作沒有實際上的民主，民主指數也屬於獨裁。
< 何况人乎？>
Any example of mass killing/murder designed, planned and executed by any animals except human?
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Cf. 中国现在是一党专政。美国是两党专政。仅此而已。 https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2705584&fid=384&page=1
What is an qualified able person with proven track record to be CEO of a relatively big size nation, whether the person is elected/selected : A. by all citizens, or B. by only representatives.
Then we study by using proper measures and samples to evaluate whether A style or B style would elect/select better candidate as CEO, in term of probability we estimate for individuals.
I think A may not be better than B, or B may not be worse than A. Objectively speaking.
雙核心CPU 就是比 單核心 CPU 強大
不服不行啊
75% vs 25% Rich nations would lose the (impractical) game in long run! I guess.
Korean population negative growth is a good example!
韓國 也是學中國的
中國原本煩惱人太多，如今擔心人口下降
任何制度都有其时代性，民主已经过时，21世纪需要一个新的制度
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这套说辞你和你们四面楚歌的包子的契合度极高阿，王公公咋不把你拉中宣部里去呢，埋没人才阿。
我对丘吉尔评价极低，别和我扯丘吉尔 中国的制度只要适合自己就好了，每个国家都要根据自身情况寻求适合自己的制度
我觉得吧，相信世上存在这么一套可以不顾各自文化，价值观，历史，社会发展阶段，民族构成等各种客观条件巨大不同的通行全球的普世性制度，本身就是已经被西方洗脑表现。
骗着别人骗着骗着把自己都骗进去了，人蠢没办法，他今后几十年后被世人记住的就是散播病毒贻害世界，那些修仙之类的都算不上事，人蠢千万不要做中国领导人，害人害己lol
1）正是因为胡温时期集体领导的软弱无能，无力推动各种深层改革，才导致了有足够党内共识，在习近平这届集中权力。。
2）我不觉得习近平会搞终身制，这点我们可以走着看
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The 17 best-governed countries in the world https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/17-best-governed-countries-world-a7417096.html
17. Japan 16. Belgium 15. Austria 14. Ireland 13. Australia 12. Iceland 11. United Kingdom
10. Germany 9. Canada 8. Luxembourg 7. Denmark 6. Switzerland
5. Sweden 4. Netherlands 3. Norway 2. New Zealand 1. Finland — Perhaps unsurprisingly, a Nordic state tops the list. Finland tops the list, climbing four places from last year's index. The country's current prime minister is Juha Sipilä.
1. Democracy (including Direct Democracy, and Representative Democracy) 2. Republic (including Single Party, Capitalist, Crowned, Federal, and Parliamentary) 3. Monarchy 4. Communism 5. Dictatorship
无效疫苗还能卖5亿支，这个生意土工梦里都笑醒。你这里“提供”是卖钱的，不是免费的，OK?不仅赚了黑心钱，还害了那么多国家的人