call you. I will ask him to call yoti along with the Attorney·_ ·· General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could _speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United $tates,· the woman., was bad news �nd th� people she was dealing with in .the Ukraine .were bad news so I jtist wan� to_let you know that� The ot�er thing, There's a lot 6f. talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.
call you. I will ask him to call yoti along with the Attorney·_ ·· General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could _speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United $tates,· the woman., was bad news �nd th� people she was dealing with in .the Ukraine .were bad news so I jtist wan� to_let you know that� The ot�er thing, There's a lot 6f. talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.
minqidev 发表于 9/25/2019 11:35:24 AM [/url]
100％正确…而且是纽时确认过的事实 And then there is Joe Biden. In 2016, the then-vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to Ukraine if the government did not fire the country’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin. According to the New York Times, “Among those who had a stake in the outcome was Hunter Biden … who at the time was on the board of an energy company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch who had been in the sights of the fired prosecutor general.” The Post reports that it is “unclear how seriously Shokin — who was under fire by U.S. and European officials for not taking a more aggressive posture toward corruption overall — was scrutinizing Burisma when he was forced out.” But what is clear is that Biden bragged about getting him fired, declaring last year: “I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a b----. He got fired.”
call you. I will ask him to call yoti along with the Attorney·_ ·· General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could _speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United $tates,· the woman., was bad news �nd th� people she was dealing with in .the Ukraine .were bad news so I jtist wan� to_let you know that� The ot�er thing, There's a lot 6f. talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.
minqidev 发表于 9/25/2019 11:35:24 AM
你选出来的内容，没有quid pro quo，没有拿钱威胁。没有要求乌克兰出钱出力调查。就是很平常的谈话。
Warren can not win. She has zero chance versus trump. I personally think this transcript thing will backfire and help trump a lot because anger is very useful to push people to come out and vote,on both sides.
About Biden: 真正是trump and his rumor machine 倒打一耙颠倒黑白.那个检查官之所以被撤换,不是因为他调查,而是因为他不够强硬调查.而且要调查的事跟 hunter biden 一点儿关系也没有. timeline:
Hunter Binden was with the compary (Burisma) from 2014-2018.
Burisima was investigated for possible corruption charges (obtain license with Ukraine government) in 2002. That is 12 years before Hunter Biden joined.
2002 Ukraine was still close to Russia.
2014 Ukraine revolution. from close to Russia, to close to western world.
western world, including USA and Europe, asked Ukraine to investigate corruptions during Russian era.
Burisma was one of the cases, was investigated because of the licensing. (again in 2002)
Shorkin was the Attorney general. But western world, including Europe and US, believed he was too soft on the corruption investigation.
Thus, western world all agreed that the president of Ukraine need a stronger attorney general.
That's why Shorkin was removed. Not because he did, but because he didn't.
好好拜读一下，学习打电话的技巧
更新，whistleblower的complaint（9页）：
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
学习complaint的技巧
Diss了Merkel，欧盟，Muller……基本上还是川普的推特风
call you. I will ask him to call yoti along with the Attorney·_
·· General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very
capable guy. If you could _speak to him that would be great. The
former ambassador from the United $tates,· the woman., was bad
news �nd th� people she was dealing with in .the Ukraine .were bad
news so I jtist wan� to_let you know that� The ot�er thing,
There's a lot 6f. talk about Biden's son,. that Eiden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.
黑道大佬互相施压的时候会直接提钱嘛。我看不见得。
现在万众瞩目的原文一发，川普撇清关系，拜登东窗事发，被架在火上烤。
100％正确…而且是纽时确认过的事实
And then there is Joe Biden. In 2016, the then-vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees to Ukraine if the government did not fire the country’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin. According to the New York Times, “Among those who had a stake in the outcome was Hunter Biden … who at the time was on the board of an energy company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch who had been in the sights of the fired prosecutor general.” The Post reports that it is “unclear how seriously Shokin — who was under fire by U.S. and European officials for not taking a more aggressive posture toward corruption overall — was scrutinizing Burisma when he was forced out.” But what is clear is that Biden bragged about getting him fired, declaring last year: “I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a b----. He got fired.”
哈哈，那不是被玩惨了！
这么爽快地把记录拿出来，感觉真有这个可能 LOL
极左印第安公主捡皮夹子……中间选民会倾向川普
如果真是这样，老川太牛了。可怜的🐷党，又坏又蠢。
我也在想，如果真冇问题。为什么这么爽快拿出来。估计下面水很深
拜登现在front runner啊 左派阵营就指望着以老制老对付川总呢 川总出手先灭掉这个隐患
应该不是，不像川普的风格。
据说whistleblower会出来国会作证
我觉得应该等他出线了拿出来。。。现在灭了他，能保证出来的那个威胁小？如果灭不了，还是出线了，这个料就不能再炒冷饭了吧？
估计whistleblower就是川普自己…+1
别意淫了，告密者以说要去国会做证了，川普自己去作证？
川普有麻烦了。
任何看了电话记录的任都知道他施压了。他不拿出记录不行的。
not any more.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/
no worries. FISA still have a lot to declassify, also Flynn case. ...
你选出来的内容，没有quid pro quo，没有拿钱威胁。没有要求乌克兰出钱出力调查。就是很平常的谈话。
现在确实有许多舆论认为是老川故意放出这个whistle blower的消息，让主党和媒体上当。也有人说，是一个意外，但是老川很好的利用了它。
太好了……大家等着看直播…通乌门😂
哈哈。
这就是一个跨国案件，只要不用国际援助去施压对方就是正常的国际案件合作，更何况电话中是乌克兰总统主动问川普美国那边能不能提供一些additional information.
川普通俄门没搞完，接着搞通乌门。
这倒不一定。我的看法是这个whistler blower 是反川普人士中的一员。等了这么久，终于逮着个机会出来上眼药。
川普之前拖着不给出通话记录是将计就计，就等打击火力集中的时候扔出来。这个手法已经在2016Tax form的事情上用过一次了，川普玩起来驾轻就熟。
不过话说回来，这个事情还是说明美国的制度监管还是非常严厉的。一不小心就会掉入陷阱。
严厉个鬼，希拉里，08现在还逍遥法外呢
别理他，他一个翻墙的根本就没搞清这几天美国新闻传的是什么
没有任何redaction。
下次老川跟尼泊尔总统通通话，来个尼泊尔干涉美国选举
也有可能whistleblower是蒋干，川普故意给了假消息给whistleblower，哈哈
奥巴马干了啥要被prosecute?
不是监管厉害。要不然消灭证据的希拉里为啥什么事儿都没有 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
怎么卷入了？乌克兰政府要查自己国家的贪污腐败。拜登儿子公司这个案子，2016就上马了。要不是拜登强行把这个检察官搞下去，2016就开始查了。所以这是老案子。乌克兰新总统上台的口号就是反腐，重启调查很正常。
电话里没有谈到钱的问题，也就是老川被报道hold funding，但是乌克兰政府可能根本不知道（因为这是美国内部的事情）。而且钱也已经给了。拜登参加选举他儿子参与的公司就不能被调查了？没有这个事情吧。
而且，最重要的是，这个新闻纽约时报5月就刊登了，怎么能说是老川的问题呢？而且整个新闻是媒体和主党发起的。如果他们不攻击老川，就不会带出拜登的新闻，说不定就跟纽约时报5月的报导一样，根本不会引起重视。所以这件事情高明的地方就是，老川明面上可是一直重申自己电话里没有讲钱，主党一直说whistle blower如何如何。他们在没有看到具体报告之前已经下了赌注，show hand，完全是咎由自取。现在想要圆回来，根本圆不回来了。
接下来，老川，和党就会打出反腐的旗帜。然后很明显的媒体已经被收买了，根本不会追求真相。那么2020年老川这个已经做了4年总统的人，竟然又成为了establishment的对立面，实在是惊奇。
warren自从印第安人事件以后，信任度早被打垮了。而且所有民调都指出，warren在黑人中的支持率非常非常低。如果拜登下去了，黑人就会投靠老川。所以，老川在minority里会拥有黑人，印度人的选票。在移民问题上，其实许多墨墨也在默默支持老川。这样老川就会非常稳。加上homeless的问题，国会选举在兰州，说不定会翻几个盘。这样，和党在总统和国会选举都会大赢。
如果是真的，那么说明他的策略不仅是为了总统选举，也是为了国会选举打基础。争取双赢的局面。
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真睿智，把自己给送进弹劾案了，还在吹嘘是把拜登再火上烤。厉害厉害
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也有可能是Warren搞事情，把拜登和老川全搞一遍。
我估计哈 实锤很难 加上吹风的成本低
不可能的。warren真聪明就不会提什么开放边境，给非移免费医疗，收富人税了。她在黑人里的支持率是1%。黑人兄弟姐妹其实也不蠢啊。虽然许多黑人兄弟姐妹喜欢拿福利，但是在非移的问题上，他们脑子还是清楚的。就那么大一张饼，给多少人分，差别大了去了。
加税狂人民调跳水…Biden搞了之后确实是Warren上位
冇这个字的意思是没有，层主你知唔知呀？
啊…很不喜欢warren
搞事情不等于聪明，一般喜欢搞事情的都是不太聪明的，因为聪明人不需要搞事情。
她真要搞事情，5月份纽约时报报导拜登的时候就应该行动了。那么多次辩论会，她连提都没提。可见根本不知道，也没关心。她选举到现在，从来没主导过舆论。唯一被大范围讨论的就是她测DNA那件事情。目前的媒体关注度一直被老川霸着呢。
她搞来搞去就是要impeach。
她一直没搞事情，也许是因为时机不对，现在出来了一个电话门，可以让她轻松搞掉两大政敌，直接登基，一时心情激动直接引爆也是有可能的
这话说得真好，只要利用一下蠢人搞出来的事情，因势利导，使之为自己的利益服务就可以了。老川是另一个层次，不停滴逗引左派们犯错。现在估计左派已经抓狂了
I personally think this transcript thing will backfire and help trump a lot because anger is very useful to push people to come out and vote,on both sides.
她怎么搞老川啊？弹劾受伤的是主党。现如今舆论对老川越来越有利了。以前他说fake news，还有许多人反对，现在都一起跟着叫fake news。
warren应该2016选的。如果选，其实有机会的。她和拜登都属于没抓住机遇。他们两个如果2016选，都是最强劲的对手，任何一个和老川对，老川都很危险了。现在根本不行了。
老川现在下手对付的根本不是拜登或者warren，而是整个主党。
两种说法，一个是，老川主动挖了一个坑，还有一个是，看到坑，老川很机智的利用了它。无论哪种，主党都主动跳下去了。
主流媒体根本不提Biden，轻描淡写没有证据说明他有问题。
全部在说川普居然勾结外国，这是最高程度的腐败，必须严惩！
就这点就喜欢老头。
这种分析，很多美国人民看不懂，也不会去想。他们就只听到新闻上说，总统跟外国勾结！天哪一定要把他弹劾下去。
哈哈哈哈 看到这个笑喷了。真的太有才了
这戏特别好看。比权利游戏好看。。。。
如果这样，川普2016年就不可能当选。
大家都不傻
这事左左们，包括印第安人，都被老川耍了，以为是个大料，可以一举搞掉老川，更好的是，居然还可以把拜登顺手搞掉，这么大的馅饼，谁碰到了也乐晕过去了，怎么会想到老川这么坏，哈哈。
这四年，从老川出来参选到现在，基本上老川是有机会就把民主党和媒体往死里搞，没有机会就创造机会。四年下来，中左被打成右派，中右被打成极右，最后只剩下极少数死不悔改的极极极左派，还在往通向地狱的路上狂奔，丝毫不知道自己已经越过悬崖边30米了......
我现在倾向于相信，老川要是真的连任，再这么折腾4年，米国人民估计又会重新团结了，因为左派已经把自己作死了，只剩下正常人了
Biden 的讲话直接印在纽约时报还是那个报纸。现在就是猪党和媒体自己一身屎，指着川普身上的泥巴说你这个脏东西。真是啼笑皆非。
主流媒体有人信，在台上的就是巫婆。去看看新闻评论吧，美国人不傻。
LOL，人民群众的眼睛是雪亮的，你们少数极左没有市场。
对这个事我有个疑问，拜登之前吹嘘他要挟施压乌克兰政府fire了那个检查官，这不是interfere with other countries democracy 吗？自己不想被别人干涉，自己干涉别人就该自豪了！
为什么我看到的和你的非常不一样？
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
这俩数据都哪来的怎么差这么多？
一个是投注，一个是现在的民调。Warren是上升势头，所以投注远超民调吧。
平行空间来的？丫的事情都是做床铺竞选经理之前的
你觉得媒体一面倒骂川普，但是彻底忽略biden当副总统的时候干的事情怎么说。Biden可是实打实的威胁乌克兰，不把检察官撤掉就不给钱。
啊明白了
(Roy Cohn 是麦卡锡的得力助手.后来是纽约黑帮家族律师.)
小尼姑的头，阿Q摸不得，和尚可以
Hunter Binden was with the compary (Burisma) from 2014-2018.
Burisima was investigated for possible corruption charges (obtain license with Ukraine government) in 2002. That is 12 years before Hunter Biden joined.
2002 Ukraine was still close to Russia.
2014 Ukraine revolution. from close to Russia, to close to western world.
western world, including USA and Europe, asked Ukraine to investigate corruptions during Russian era.
Burisma was one of the cases, was investigated because of the licensing. (again in 2002)
Shorkin was the Attorney general. But western world, including Europe and US, believed he was too soft on the corruption investigation.
Thus, western world all agreed that the president of Ukraine need a stronger attorney general.
That's why Shorkin was removed. Not because he did, but because he didn't.
总结到位
搞的对象不一样。一个是干涉内政，一个是搞政敌。不管弹劾如何，拜登估计是完了。
btw 这种标语口号式语言真正是我天朝的文化啊.
有道理。对付主党这种没底线的就是要耍点手段。
共和党里老实人和 rino 太多，所以以前被主党耍的团团转。
sanders个性并不讨喜。而且美国不太喜欢已经失败过一次的人
有杂志总结过他的竞选pamphlet，说就跟喊口号一样，所有阶级敌人都该被打倒，贫苦民众在他书里十分面具化warren这两年运势不错，也许最后还真能拿到nomination
群众的眼睛是雪亮的😂，别看新闻，看评论。
自媒体时代fake news 要愚民也不是那么容易了