small claim court only award you money. It cannot force HOA to do anything, nor can it order it to waive the fine.
You need go to a general court. And you need to read the HOA bylaws. Your theory would be breach of contract, that the fine has no basis in the bylaws you signed.
(A) 您不是不懂，2018 年您就與其他的 HOA 鬧過，所以你不是"傻白甜"，你清楚知道遊戲規則.
(B) 因為你不是當地的居民，您應該定期與 HOA 聯絡，確定對方有你正確的地址，不是 HOA 應該花時間想方法將東西送到你的手上，HOA 不是司法單位或是政府組織，有法律規定 或是人力、物力、來服務人民，事實上這是你的責任，提供正確的轉信地址給對方，同時要求你的房客應該將任何給予你的信件與東西及時送交你的手中。(你收租不會手軟，那麼隨時聯絡房客查明是否有給你的信為什麼會手軟??)
(C) 罰款的方式與數字，只要對方拿得出正式的 bylaws 上的規定, 對方就沒有做錯，同時 HOA 沒有責任需要提供您董事會(管理委員會)，成員的名單與通訊的方式，這個資料你自己可以在對方正式的會議記錄中查到誰是這個管理委員會中成員的名字，至於其他個人資料，對方(管理公司與 HOA這個組織)沒有必要提供這些資料給你，因為管理委員會的成員並非公職，所以涉及個人隱私，對方沒有必要給予你任何機會去騷擾管委會中任何的成員。
(D) 至於安排聽證會，bylaws 中應該有正式的規定，您應該如何以書面要求一個聽證會，或是如何在大會中提出書面動議，要求聽證會，或是以書面要求，取得多數委員的同意免單，這一切的程序你都可以依據規定辦理，所以是否應該免責或是減免罰今這個部份，任何額外的安排，對方如果同意與您個人單獨開會討論，這是人情，對方如果不同意，這是道理，特別是如果這個 HOA 有僱用管理公司，所有運作的方式有社區 HOA 法規與當地法律來規範，你不能自行發明法律。
4. Homeowners Have a Right to Access Financial Reports, HOA Documents
Board members cannot prohibit homeowners from requesting HOA documents including:
Financial Reports Annual Budget Report Reserves Summary Vendor Contracts Board Meeting Agendas and Minutes HOA Membership Lists HOA Tax Returns Governing Documents HOA Rule Changes or Amendments Plans for Capital Improvement Projects
Homeowners have a right to inspect these documents to see how the board is managing the community’s finances and assets. Access to budgets, expenditures, transactions will allow homeowners to see how their money is being used.
In some cases, though, homeowners may first need to submit a written notice, as well as pay for copying and postage costs. HOA boards may refuse access to documents that are bound by attorney-client privilege and those with pending litigation.
5. Homeowners Have a Right to Disciplinary Hearings
A homeowner has a right to a hearing before the HOA takes disciplinary action, such as imposing fines or suspension of privileges. The board must send a written notice ahead of the hearing via first class mail. Homeowners also have the right to a fair hearing even if they have clearly violated the association’s rules
Can a homeowners association fine you? Yes, an HOA can generally fine its members, provided state laws and governing documents give the HOA power to do so.
If your association’s CC&Rs say the HOA can fine members for violating a specific covenant, then don’t be surprised when you receive a notice in the mail after committing that violation. But, if your HOA’s governing documents say the association can’t fine homeowners, then you should definitely challenge the HOA’s authority when you get slapped with a fine.
Furthermore, the fines must be reasonable and justified. For instance, it would be outrageous for an HOA to impose a $1,000 fine for a simple trash bin placement violation on the first offense.
Most HOAs allow homeowners to appeal fines. This usually means you have to go through a standard appeals process, the specifics of which can vary from association to association. Generally, though, you will need to present evidence to back up your claim.
一个出租房， 12 月份房客没有付租金， 赶走， 其中空了几周， 期间HOA 发信说不能看见垃圾桶， 要hearing。 发信到一个我已经卖了的房子， 和那个出租房， 房客看见不是他们的信， 没理会。
5 月份HOA把信发到了我现在居住地，罚款$1万。 赶紧跟它们联系， 说收到了邮局的退信。 然后我让他们发以前的旧信， 用了一周， 在我的催促下才发过来， 然后我马上纠正， 继续罚款， 我email问为啥我纠正了还要罚我款， 然后减了$5000。 我要求board member的名单和meeting， 一直不理我， 今天说没啥好谈的， final。就是不给board member listing
我想去small court demand board member 名单和waive 这罚款， 可行吗？
small claim court only award you money. It cannot force HOA to do anything, nor can it order it to waive the fine.
You need go to a general court. And you need to read the HOA bylaws. Your theory would be breach of contract, that the fine has no basis in the bylaws you signed.
It could be tough to prove.
买的时候 律师交了HOA fee， 然后给了我每年HOA 付费的地址， 每年按时交了款。
他们说2 月份有收到邮局退信， 那么已经知道我没有收到他们的信， 同时他们查了我们LLC的地址， 送到了家里地址。
如果上庭， 法庭不是还需要提供serve notice， summon 的证据？ 我没有收到信， 他们还不给board 名单， 不给联系， 合法吗？
多谢
我是否可以要求法庭
1。 给我board 名单
2。 audit HOA 账单
另外， 我一直跟它们email， 已收到他们email 过来的信， 当天就correct了， 他们还可以一直charge 下去？
5 月份才送到我家地址
再发罚款信件，6周后200，等等。哪有randomly, 想罚多少就多少的。
一直都置之不理， 还是她同事在我的要求下发过来一份ccr
(A) 您不是不懂，2018 年您就與其他的 HOA 鬧過，所以你不是"傻白甜"，你清楚知道遊戲規則.
(B) 因為你不是當地的居民，您應該定期與 HOA 聯絡，確定對方有你正確的地址，不是 HOA 應該花時間想方法將東西送到你的手上，HOA 不是司法單位或是政府組織，有法律規定 或是人力、物力、來服務人民，事實上這是你的責任，提供正確的轉信地址給對方，同時要求你的房客應該將任何給予你的信件與東西及時送交你的手中。(你收租不會手軟，那麼隨時聯絡房客查明是否有給你的信為什麼會手軟??)
(C) 罰款的方式與數字，只要對方拿得出正式的 bylaws 上的規定, 對方就沒有做錯，同時 HOA 沒有責任需要提供您董事會(管理委員會)，成員的名單與通訊的方式，這個資料你自己可以在對方正式的會議記錄中查到誰是這個管理委員會中成員的名字，至於其他個人資料，對方(管理公司與 HOA這個組織)沒有必要提供這些資料給你，因為管理委員會的成員並非公職，所以涉及個人隱私，對方沒有必要給予你任何機會去騷擾管委會中任何的成員。
(D) 至於安排聽證會，bylaws 中應該有正式的規定，您應該如何以書面要求一個聽證會，或是如何在大會中提出書面動議，要求聽證會，或是以書面要求，取得多數委員的同意免單，這一切的程序你都可以依據規定辦理，所以是否應該免責或是減免罰今這個部份，任何額外的安排，對方如果同意與您個人單獨開會討論，這是人情，對方如果不同意，這是道理，特別是如果這個 HOA 有僱用管理公司，所有運作的方式有社區 HOA 法規與當地法律來規範，你不能自行發明法律。
講白了，你自己選擇忽略一個本可幾乎不花錢就可以處理的問題，現在弄得需要花大錢了，就希望對方特別為你權宜行事，良心說看看你過去提問的問題與現在對於其他朋友的回應，老貓可以瞭解這是為什麼對方不再與您討論這事，因為對方沒有權力也沒有義務這麼做。特別是對方沒有必要為您開闢一條特別的解決之路。
The bylaws are part of the resale package.
You are too green.
4. Homeowners Have a Right to Access Financial Reports, HOA Documents
Board members cannot prohibit homeowners from requesting HOA documents including:
Financial Reports Annual Budget Report Reserves Summary Vendor Contracts Board Meeting Agendas and Minutes HOA Membership Lists HOA Tax Returns Governing Documents HOA Rule Changes or Amendments Plans for Capital Improvement ProjectsHomeowners have a right to inspect these documents to see how the board is managing the community’s finances and assets. Access to budgets, expenditures, transactions will allow homeowners to see how their money is being used.
In some cases, though, homeowners may first need to submit a written notice, as well as pay for copying and postage costs. HOA boards may refuse access to documents that are bound by attorney-client privilege and those with pending litigation.
5. Homeowners Have a Right to Disciplinary HearingsA homeowner has a right to a hearing before the HOA takes disciplinary action, such as imposing fines or suspension of privileges. The board must send a written notice ahead of the hearing via first class mail. Homeowners also have the right to a fair hearing even if they have clearly violated the association’s rules
3. Impose Arbitrary Fines
Can a homeowners association fine you? Yes, an HOA can generally fine its members, provided state laws and governing documents give the HOA power to do so.
If your association’s CC&Rs say the HOA can fine members for violating a specific covenant, then don’t be surprised when you receive a notice in the mail after committing that violation. But, if your HOA’s governing documents say the association can’t fine homeowners, then you should definitely challenge the HOA’s authority when you get slapped with a fine.
Furthermore, the fines must be reasonable and justified. For instance, it would be outrageous for an HOA to impose a $1,000 fine for a simple trash bin placement violation on the first offense.
Most HOAs allow homeowners to appeal fines. This usually means you have to go through a standard appeals process, the specifics of which can vary from association to association. Generally, though, you will need to present evidence to back up your claim.
虽然原帖就在昨天被人有意删除了，通过跟帖可以知道还是给错地址收不到信件的问题。
https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/smallclaimcourt/241945.html
回應 来源: 單身老貓 于 2018-09-06 21:07:36 [档案] [博客] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读： 1376 次 (486 bytes) 字体：调大/重置/调小 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟贴 | 当前最热讨论主题 回答: ... 由 catch123 于 2018-09-06 17:55:09 一般小額庭是處理雙方有金錢糾紛的法庭,所以不可能為你爭取任何公道,在這個案件中 as long as 管理公司寄出了書面資料,原則上對方就有理,因為法律上是要求對方必須書面通知您 HOA fee 的任何變更, 然而並沒有規定必須依據您的要求以電郵通知, 特別是你的租客收到通知,證明管理公司確實有發出通知....所以老貓不知道你要用那一個原因去建立一個案件
昨天晚上删的。
tried manual copy/paste for a back up, but no way to get it 100% covered.