正是说的cost effective analysis嘛, a few hundred bucks to u is nothing, to them it's a big deal - so do it!......a house is a big deal to everyone, so don't do it! 包子的典型例子:朋友叫我帮她做****。不做,对她是小麻烦,对我没损失。做了对我是大麻烦,对她有好处。做不做?不做。
bottom line is : use our own definition, small favors that dont hurt ourselves much but means a great deal to others: make an effort and be sure to do it. (to me, this is a value adding experience, though others disagree). Big favors that hurt ourselves a lot, but may mean a great deal to others: do not do it.
For those who have the perfect husbands, time to get yourself perfect... Love needs contribution from both. I really should ask the author of 'getting love' to compensate my sales effort.
昨晚想到,对死亡的恐惧是太focused inward吧?There exists a balance somewhere between give and take. 我从前以为只要多多take,就会happy。事实上,n多人都证明了giving can bring happiness to ourselves. 包子是focused way too outward,需要往自己内在转移些注意力。肉糜的相反。如果能中和中和就和谐了。
For those who have the perfect husbands, time to get yourself perfect... Love needs contribution from both. I really should ask the author of 'getting love' to compensate my sales effort.
Well then, promoting such behavior is propaganda. It's really a sad story.
Plus, 左右也是一死 is not 100% true. See the benefactors of his behavior survived. Now it becomes like a economic issue--what's the best strategy to achieve the win-win situation.
The feeling of being teased is so sweet that a strong woman like me is very happy to give some back... If she likes it, then go ahead and give some back.
Just one question: why did you call it "fight back" rather than "give back"? These two words are so different!
The reality was sad, but the story does not convey that kind of feeling; rather, the story tried to promote a 'last choice (in reality)' in people who do have other choices. That's why I don't believe it. [此贴子已经被作者于2009/11/12 11:23:45编辑过]
Well then, promoting such behavior is propaganda. It's really a sad story.
Plus, 左右也是一死 is not 100% true. See the benefactors of his behavior survived. Now it becomes like a economic issue--what's the best strategy to achieve the win-win situation. 那是打仗呀,他在敌人炮楼底下,敌人火力很猛,你说他要是退回去的话,不被打死的几率是多少,退回去不被枪毙的几率是多少。不能跟他的战友比生存的几率,得跟他自己比。
For those who have the perfect husbands, time to get yourself perfect... Love needs contribution from both. I really should ask the author of 'getting love' to compensate my sales effort.
The reality was sad, but the story does not convey that kind of feeling; rather, the story tried to promote a 'last choice (in reality)' in people who do have other choices. That's why I don't believe it. [此贴子已经被作者于2009/11/12 11:23:45编辑过] 这一点我同意,宣传的时候是要考虑舆论导向的,不能说黄继光左右都是一死吧。
See, logic is based on definition, which is not logic at all.
I did not say that the husband should not tell the wife that 他期望固定频率的surprise gift. As a matter of fact he's encouraged to tell. Most of the time many people keep such expectation to themselves, like a baby expect the Mom taking care of him/her without asking. That's an idea in 'getting the love'. Our unconscious mind works like a baby. So training our conscious mind to take care of our unconscious mind, like a Mom treating a baby, solves the problem. Very simple principle: find out what's wrong, and satisfy the expectation. Like Jolin asked me to think what REALLY makes me unhappy.
Empty, I also see this as a solution of your 'JING FEN' issue, that 'our conscious mind can be trained to take care of our unconscious mind'.
See, logic is based on definition, which is not logic at all.
I did not say that the husband should not tell the wife that 他期望固定频率的surprise gift. As a matter of fact he's encouraged to tell. Most of the time many people keep such expectation to themselves, like a baby expect the Mom taking care of him/her without asking. That's an idea in 'getting the love'. Our unconscious mind works like a baby. So training our conscious mind to take care of our unconscious mind, like a Mom treating a baby, solves the problem. Very simple principle: find out what's wrong, and satisfy the expectation. Like Jolin asked me to think what REALLY makes me unhappy.
Empty, I also see this as a solution of your 'JING FEN' issue, that 'our conscious mind can be trained to take care of our unconscious mind'.
我老公最近在suffer他自己一个人拼命diy on the house,我看他都快要爆炸了。因为他虽然口里不说,心里是expect我帮他忙的。 我叫他不做,他又不听,可是我又不想下班回来还跟他一起赶工。 怎么办呢。。。
If someone else did that promoted action, his chance of surviving was big. See, that's the whole purpose of propaganda--let someone else sacrifices. Who the beneficiary was is very clear.
BTW, you suggested correcting English the other day. I'd be very happy to be the beneficiary.
我老公最近在suffer他自己一个人拼命diy on the house,我看他都快要爆炸了。因为他虽然口里不说,心里是expect我帮他忙的。 我叫他不做,他又不听,可是我又不想下班回来还跟他一起赶工。 怎么办呢。。。
Negotiation.
For you, you need to consider when you would like to help, half an hour after arriving home? or after dinner? For him, he needs to consider what his goal is. To finish in one month? Or in two months? Help him getting his target in line with reality--he suffers from the pressure of a too-high goal.
赞~~~~向你学习,虽然故事是老的,道理经常说说,提醒自己,也很好啊
谢谢。
主要我自己就忘性大,道理别人讲了,再过两天我就忘了。
啊,不是忘了,是融入自己的系统里了,下意识的。
I trust myself. I will take care of myself and my family no matter who is the president.
买那种太阳灯试试?
Yes my mood is very sensitive to the lighting around. Whenever I see bright sunshine, I feel very energized...like a battery.
我也觉得这个更有效。
位高权重名大的人做善事更容易,但绝不是说,去乡村教书这样的小善就没必要做了,善无高低。
好像这个叫相对优势 comparative advantage。。。。。。。另外,说起舍己为人什么的就有“双赢”说法,可是不是所有事情都能双赢的,利益冲突的时候,如果能静下来分析分析,每个选择对自己对别人造成什么影响,也许做决定能容易写
也许还有更深的原因,自己没发觉?
Maybe--I'll think about it.
没想过,我就不怎么看病~
体检总有吧, 我一年怎么也能看医生1.5次。 一次体检, 然后平均两年总会有点儿啥其他的, 比如歪了脚啊啥的。。。
Yes my mood is very sensitive to the lighting around. Whenever I see bright sunshine, I feel very energized...like a battery.
re.......south facing rooms really lift up the spirit in cold climate
I trust Obama--he's not that stupid. :P
冬天么? 我到没有。。 只是这段时间几件事情比较繁琐。。。 然后自己有拖延()然后就觉得头上好重的几座山啊。。。 看来是要一件一件办。。。
Heiheihei, those who were mocked by empty on procrastination, time to fight back!
体检总有吧, 我一年怎么也能看医生1.5次。 一次体检, 然后平均两年总会有点儿啥其他的, 比如歪了脚啊啥的。。。
体检不够stress me out的
Heiheihei, those who were mocked by empty on procrastination, time to fight back!
冤冤相报何时聊
好像这个叫相对优势 comparative advantage。。。。。。。另外,说起舍己为人什么的就有“双赢”说法,可是不是所有事情都能双赢的,利益冲突的时候,如果能静下来分析分析,每个选择对自己对别人造成什么影响,也许做决定能容易写
这么说吧,如果我捐了几百刀(我自己有经济损失),但是好几个孩子可以上学了,我觉得这个损失对我来说九牛一毛,孩子可能会改变命运,那我就干了。
如果有人一大家子没房子住,那我绝对不会把我的房子送给他,哪怕他们流落街头我也没办法,房子这个损失太大了。
I trust myself. I will take care of myself and my family no matter who is the president.
有战争就不知道了。。
啊, 对了, 我的害怕的list, 还有一个就是重大的社会变动。。。 比如打仗那, 革命啦。
Heiheihei, those who were mocked by empty on procrastination, time to fight back!
我这个是暂时现象。。 很快就会过去的。。。。 不需要fight, 任着来吧。
好像这个叫相对优势 comparative advantage。。。。。。。另外,说起舍己为人什么的就有“双赢”说法,可是不是所有事情都能双赢的,利益冲突的时候,如果能静下来分析分析,每个选择对自己对别人造成什么影响,也许做决定能容易写
不明白“舍己为人”能双赢这个说法咋得出来的。太多的事例告诉我们,舍己为人最后的下场就是灰飞烟灭。
例如那个丛飞,例如这次救人的三个大学生。
我一直认为只有自己好了才能双赢,多赢。
Heiheihei, those who were mocked by empty on procrastination, time to fight back!
fight她干吗呢?她只不过有些肉糜。
有战争就不知道了。。
啊, 对了, 我的害怕的list, 还有一个就是重大的社会变动。。。 比如打仗那, 革命啦。
这个不在咱们控制范围内,听天由命,随遇而安好了。
咱们的祖辈不都经历过战乱吗?也挺过来了。
surprise不就是惊喜吗?自己都有了expectation, 还surprise什么呢?得意料之外得到的才算surprise吧?干脆就说想在特定的时间要礼物得了。感觉这个husband逻辑有些混乱。
Surprise gift can be at any time... It's also said by the author that gift at non-specific days are usually more valued by the partner.
Expecting some surprise has clear logic in my view. The expectation is on the imaginable happy moment, feel of being loved/cared.
PS, logic is not the ultimate answer to everything.
fight她干吗呢?她只不过有些肉糜。
还是你了解 我。。。嘻嘻
体检不够stress me out的
以前的医生吧, 就不认为我需要验血。 我后来主动坚持, 他无奈才答应,但是最后也没让我验尿。
现在的, 开始也没让我验血, 我就提了, 他说啊好吧, 然后我说, 验个尿。 他说啊好吧。。。 酱紫。
我以前的中国医生更好, 体检的时候, 啥都给我做, 还给我做心电图。。。
这个不在咱们控制范围内,听天由命,随遇而安好了。
咱们的祖辈不都经历过战乱吗?也挺过来了。
我现在有了孩子以后,这些死亡战乱经济崩溃对我自己来说已经不害怕了。
我只害怕我没有能力守护孩子到长大成人。
这个不在咱们控制范围内,听天由命,随遇而安好了。
咱们的祖辈不都经历过战乱吗?也挺过来了。
好多也没挺过来, 没了。。还有好多爱人, 分离, 一辈子再没见到。。
不过确实是没法控制就是了。。。
这么说吧,如果我捐了几百刀(我自己有经济损失),但是好几个孩子可以上学了,我觉得这个损失对我来说九牛一毛,孩子可能会改变命运,那我就干了。
如果有人一大家子没房子住,那我绝对不会把我的房子送给他,哪怕他们流落街头我也没办法,房子这个损失太大了。
正是说的cost effective analysis嘛, a few hundred bucks to u is nothing, to them it's a big deal - so do it!......a house is a big deal to everyone, so don't do it! 包子的典型例子:朋友叫我帮她做****。不做,对她是小麻烦,对我没损失。做了对我是大麻烦,对她有好处。做不做?不做。
不明白“舍己为人”能双赢这个说法咋得出来的。太多的事例告诉我们,舍己为人最后的下场就是灰飞烟灭。
例如那个丛飞,例如这次救人的三个大学生。
我一直认为只有自己好了才能双赢,多赢。
我那天还跟我老公说呢,跳水里救人的事情我干不了,因为我这水性,只够自保,绝对救不了人,再被落水的给拖下水去,那就太亏了。
咱们只能先求自保,先单赢,不做损人利己的事情,然后再说怎么双赢和多赢。
我和你对这个看法完全不一样。 文丽为啥不去呀, 因为没这个念头和冬至一起努力啊, 就回去做那个简单的家务去了。。 当然你可以说那家务总要有人做呀。 这个其实可以解决的。 文丽可以很高兴的说, 是呀, 我也很想去。 家里面有事情,我们一起吧他做了吧再去。 或者可以说我们去了回来一起做了。。。 总之这些是技术性问题, 可以解决的。 文理的优先级别, 家务排第一了, 或者可以说她未必有这个婚后还要一起努力, 让婚姻越来越好这样的念头。。
我到觉得冬至这个, 比文丽要强多了。。 大包大揽家务是件看上去很繁琐, 实践上也是很多的很忙的, 但是精神层面上最简单的事情。
当然只是我个人看法, 要是在外面说, 肯定要挨批了。。 我老公喊我去听音乐会, 那我绝对是第一去那儿的。。 就算去听的是我未必很喜欢的。。。
女人光知道做家务能体现自己的价值,忘了陪老公看音乐会也能体现自己的价值了
这点我老公一直做的比我好,我要干啥他不是特别喜欢的事他基本上都陪的,比如逛街,hiking,看爱情电影
I trust myself. I will take care of myself and my family no matter who is the president.
Hehe, very good courage.
Sometimes it's easier to take care of our beloved in a friendly environment.
这个不在咱们控制范围内,听天由命,随遇而安好了。
咱们的祖辈不都经历过战乱吗?也挺过来了。
是,控制不了的东西,stress也没用啊
这种apply to所有人的事,我相信天塌下来有高子撑着。
我现在有了孩子以后,这些死亡战乱经济崩溃对我自己来说已经不害怕了。
我只害怕我没有能力守护孩子到长大成人。
买保险啊
这个吧, 最好对老公特别喜欢的东西培养一些兴趣。。 我老公当年大惊失色, 因为我没看过star wars. 后来所有的借来, 一个一个陪我看, 和我讲背景。。。 很多科幻的, 都是那样和他看完的。。 然后觉得也听不错的。。
我倒是知道star trek,没看过star war
最近刚陪他看了生化危机
What happened?
我现在有了孩子以后,这些死亡战乱经济崩溃对我自己来说已经不害怕了。
我只害怕我没有能力守护孩子到长大成人。
请问一下,昨天推荐的梵音,演唱者是黄。。的,我挺喜欢,今天找不到,能再告诉我一下名字吗?
买保险啊
不仅是保险的问题啊。
保险不能取代妈妈的爱呀。
冤冤相报何时聊
QIE... a non-BAOZI fights back at the right moment...
就光看空空说的,我觉得,女人一定不要把自己限制在家务劳动中,尤其国内,人工那么便宜,那是小时工的工作,女人一定要让自己的精神天地丰富,现在,贤惠都快成贬义词了
美国人工贵,请不起人帮忙,就使唤老公就好了。你不使唤你男人,别人也会使唤
不明白“舍己为人”能双赢这个说法咋得出来的。太多的事例告诉我们,舍己为人最后的下场就是灰飞烟灭。
例如那个丛飞,例如这次救人的三个大学生。
我一直认为只有自己好了才能双赢,多赢。
bottom line is : use our own definition, small favors that dont hurt ourselves much but means a great deal to others: make an effort and be sure to do it. (to me, this is a value adding experience, though others disagree). Big favors that hurt ourselves a lot, but may mean a great deal to others: do not do it.
Surprise gift can be at any time... It's also said by the author that gift at non-specific days are usually more valued by the partner.
Expecting some surprise has clear logic in my view. The expectation is on the imaginable happy moment, feel of being loved/cared.
PS, logic is not the ultimate answer to everything.
既然Surprise gift can be at any time,那就可能发生在any time, 为什么husband要不满意呢,因为也许时间还没到呢?为什么他要expect在什么时间以前发生,过了这个时间就不满意呢?
expect surprise gift符合逻辑,但是某个时间之前没有收到礼物就不开心不符合逻辑。
美国人工贵,请不起人帮忙,就使唤老公就好了。你不使唤你男人,别人也会使唤
反之,你男人不使唤你别人也会使唤你?
这种努力应该是双方的呀。文丽当然可以说“家里面有事情,我们一起吧他做了吧再去”,佟志也可以说“家里面的事情,我们一起吧他做了吧再去”,当然后者需要佟志比较concious
再说,努力也讲究方法,成长也需要相互扶持。一方没有意识、不够明白,另一方就放弃不管了、自己往前跑么?那么多教育女人的帖子,怎么没说男的如果一次两次不开窍就去发展精神出轨?
我要是问:文丽拿出两张票说佟志去听音乐会,佟志否了一次,你觉得好的模式下面应该怎么发展?
ps.我不是否认女的应该有方法地让关系越变越好,是觉得现在对男的的要求普遍忒宽容
我比我老公落后
fight她干吗呢?她只不过有些肉糜。
Because I like her. So I like to tease her. She must had the same feeling teasing us...
不明白“舍己为人”能双赢这个说法咋得出来的。太多的事例告诉我们,舍己为人最后的下场就是灰飞烟灭。
例如那个丛飞,例如这次救人的三个大学生。
我一直认为只有自己好了才能双赢,多赢。
I'm with you. I never believed in the story of 'Huang Ji Guang'. I think it was propaganda.
兔子说的对啊。。。 女人这么多年都被洗脑了, 好像做了家务贤惠了博乐好名声, 就会婚姻幸福了。。。
文丽那个时候到确实没啥钟点工吧。。。 以前还是条件挺差的。。 我觉得家里面乱一点儿就乱一点儿。。。 怕啥? 还有人来家里检查卫生?
不是怕啥,是过不了自己那一关
井井有条的家对女人来说有点像一个勋章,当然,这个观念要改
QIE... a non-BAOZI fights back at the right moment...
一个真正内心强大的人不用fight back。因为肉糜的嘲笑没有在心里留下任何痕迹,那就不用fight back。
女人光知道做家务能体现自己的价值,忘了陪老公看音乐会也能体现自己的价值了
这点我老公一直做的比我好,我要干啥他不是特别喜欢的事他基本上都陪的,比如逛街,hiking,看爱情电影
嘻嘻, 我老公死活不陪我看爱情电影。。。 不过我 也不是太在乎这个。。否则我肯定要和他好好谈谈。。。
他倒是和我一起看了色戒。。。 哈哈哈哈。。
看了被掐死妈妈的一些博客,心里的难受没法提了。这个妈妈全心全意都是为了这个生病的孩子,奶奶挑唆着儿子不要生病的孙子,天打雷劈的男方一家。
自己作孽死了,还要拉着爱孩子的老婆一起死,可怜孩子没了妈,将来怎么办。
不仅是保险的问题啊。
保险不能取代妈妈的爱呀。
开车的时候注意安全驾驶。 平常保护自己的健康。
不是怕啥,是过不了自己那一关
井井有条的家对女人来说有点像一个勋章,当然,这个观念要改
改。。。。。。不是要随心所欲么?
请问一下,昨天推荐的梵音,演唱者是黄。。的,我挺喜欢,今天找不到,能再告诉我一下名字吗?
黄慧音
I'm with you. I never believed in the story of 'Huang Ji Guang'. I think it was propaganda.
黄继光我可以理解,反正自己左右也是一死,还不如死了自己,造福战友呢。
过日子,说复杂,是很复杂的,说简单,也很简单。关键是,两个人的精神在同一个层面上,共同努力,一定不要把恋爱时的甜言蜜语当做承诺,而是像一个工作,买卖一样,小心经营,两个人都应该是这样想,才能长久。wsn不是简单的说,移情别恋了就是wsn了,而是,把责任一贯的退到女人身上,比如跟别的女人说,老婆不理解我的男人,就是wsn。婚姻是互动的。
家务事有人要干,但看怎么干,如果当做负担,苦大仇深的干,还当做在家庭纠纷中的资本,或者当做婚姻生活的一切,是不行的。一定要有自己的世界,自己的朋友,自己的时间,爱好。而男人,往往享受着女人带来了的好处,却说女人没情趣。所以,我宁可家里乱点,多点时间,和老公交流,哪怕是他上网玩游戏,我都泡一壶茶,在旁边喊加油
兔子真是好老婆啊
Because I like her. So I like to tease her. She must had the same feeling teasing us...
那当然了。。 这个还要说么, 还有人不知道么? 你是想谈这个问题?
好男人你觉得是啥样的吧?
这是关键问题
女人光知道做家务能体现自己的价值,忘了陪老公看音乐会也能体现自己的价值了
这点我老公一直做的比我好,我要干啥他不是特别喜欢的事他基本上都陪的,比如逛街,hiking,看爱情电影
For those who have the perfect husbands, time to get yourself perfect... Love needs contribution from both.
I really should ask the author of 'getting love' to compensate my sales effort.
文学城那个小3 气场太强了, 看她说话, 问:你是大奶还是小3? 答:我就是他的全部。
这个气场, 大奶估计扛不住。。
女人要的就是这个霸气啊
这小三以后要是转正了,也是彪悍的大奶
I'm with you. I never believed in the story of 'Huang Ji Guang'. I think it was propaganda.
黄继光怎么会是编的呢。 这样的事情在那个年代比比皆是啊,
风声里面的故事, 也是有现实原型的
黄慧音
多谢
QIE... a non-BAOZI fights back at the right moment...
咱不是包子,咱是宽容~
不仅是保险的问题啊。
保险不能取代妈妈的爱呀。
That's why it is important to raise an independent kid.
昨天看到那个光棍节,为了小三要和老婆离婚,不要先天性心脏病的两岁孩子,只要房子,离婚后打算只给老婆和孩子一个月一千块生活费的、掐死老婆,自己跳楼的畜生爹,让我心里直哆嗦。
看了被掐死妈妈的一些博客,心里的难受没法提了。这个妈妈全心全意都是为了这个生病的孩子,奶奶挑唆着儿子不要生病的孙子,天打雷劈的男方一家。
自己作孽死了,还要拉着爱孩子的老婆一起死,可怜孩子没了妈,将来怎么办。
为啥杀了老婆啊, 还自杀? 这个不符合自私男的形象啊
我是想说,现在经常的情况是:因为遇到困难跑来发帖、跑去跟人抱怨请教的都是女人,接受抱怨出主意/评论的也是女人,结果话题就总集中在女的该怎么做要怎么做,尤其是男的做得不是很明显地猥琐的时候。
不管初衷是啥,我觉得这样都不能反洗脑阿,反而推动洗脑阿
我觉得好男人应该至少愿意先走一步再走一步,尤其知道第二步怎么走
这标准会不会太高?
不高,只要你能给他想要的,他就能给你想要的
自己也可以转pdf的。mobilepocket
刚试了一下,calibre还不能把prc格式转成pdf格式。
teagy你是说能用mobilepocket把pdf转成amazon kindle的格式吗?
昨晚想到,对死亡的恐惧是太focused inward吧?There exists a balance somewhere between give and take. 我从前以为只要多多take,就会happy。事实上,n多人都证明了giving can bring happiness to ourselves. 包子是focused way too outward,需要往自己内在转移些注意力。肉糜的相反。如果能中和中和就和谐了。
看我签名档...
For those who have the perfect husbands, time to get yourself perfect... Love needs contribution from both.
I really should ask the author of 'getting love' to compensate my sales effort.
这本书一再重版, 不需要销售员的技巧呢。。。 哈哈。。 这个钱你估计挣不到啊
既然Surprise gift can be at any time,那就可能发生在any time, 为什么husband要不满意呢,因为也许时间还没到呢?为什么他要expect在什么时间以前发生,过了这个时间就不满意呢?
expect surprise gift符合逻辑,但是某个时间之前没有收到礼物就不开心不符合逻辑。
Expect certain frequency of surprise gift; Surprise defines the content of the gift, not the time.
Huh, Now I see the importance of definition. No wonder scientific writing helps.
Because I like her. So I like to tease her. She must had the same feeling teasing us...
like her ---> like to tease her.
逆否命题,don't like to tease somebody----> don't like that person
你那个命题的逻辑还是有问题
一个真正内心强大的人不用fight back。因为肉糜的嘲笑没有在心里留下任何痕迹,那就不用fight back。
The feeling of being teased is so sweet that a strong woman like me is very happy to give some back...
为啥杀了老婆啊, 还自杀? 这个不符合自私男的形象啊
杀了偿命,欠债还钱。他左右是一死,估计受不了别人审讯他和谴责他的目光,所以就自杀了。
为啥杀了老婆啊, 还自杀? 这个不符合自私男的形象啊
这男的有暴力倾向的,女的在死前几天发贴求助中说到过,男的掐她脖子不是第一回了。
估计这次掐过劲了,给掐死了,男的也吓倒了,害怕活着承担结果,索性自己也自杀算了。
自杀比活着承担一个杀人的罪过要容易得多。
Expect certain frequency of surprise gift; Surprise defines the content of the gift, not the time.
Huh, Now I see the importance of definition. No wonder scientific writing helps.
咱们两个对surprise gift的定义不同:
你的定义:频率固定,礼物要surprise
我的定义:时间和礼物都要surprise
那这个老公为什么不跟老婆直接说他期望固定频率的surprise gift呢?
黄继光我可以理解,反正自己左右也是一死,还不如死了自己,造福战友呢。
Well then, promoting such behavior is propaganda. It's really a sad story.
Plus, 左右也是一死 is not 100% true. See the benefactors of his behavior survived. Now it becomes like a economic issue--what's the best strategy to achieve the win-win situation.
The feeling of being teased is so sweet that a strong woman like me is very happy to give some back...
If she likes it, then go ahead and give some back.
Just one question: why did you call it "fight back" rather than "give back"? These two words are so different!
黄继光怎么会是编的呢。 这样的事情在那个年代比比皆是啊,
风声里面的故事, 也是有现实原型的
The reality was sad, but the story does not convey that kind of feeling; rather, the story tried to promote a 'last choice (in reality)' in people who do have other choices. That's why I don't believe it.
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Well then, promoting such behavior is propaganda. It's really a sad story.
Plus, 左右也是一死 is not 100% true. See the benefactors of his behavior survived. Now it becomes like a economic issue--what's the best strategy to achieve the win-win situation.
那是打仗呀,他在敌人炮楼底下,敌人火力很猛,你说他要是退回去的话,不被打死的几率是多少,退回去不被枪毙的几率是多少。不能跟他的战友比生存的几率,得跟他自己比。
反之,你男人不使唤你别人也会使唤你?
有可能,如果他让我觉得他不需要我
昨天看到那个光棍节,为了小三要和老婆离婚,不要先天性心脏病的两岁孩子,只要房子,离婚后打算只给老婆和孩子一个月一千块生活费的、掐死老婆,自己跳楼的畜生爹,让我心里直哆嗦。
看了被掐死妈妈的一些博客,心里的难受没法提了。这个妈妈全心全意都是为了这个生病的孩子,奶奶挑唆着儿子不要生病的孙子,天打雷劈的男方一家。
自己作孽死了,还要拉着爱孩子的老婆一起死,可怜孩子没了妈,将来怎么办。
这个男人以前有暴力问题的,她都忍了,可悲
改。。。。。。不是要随心所欲么?
这个不是女人自己形成的啊,是社会洗脑的,社会也在变
For those who have the perfect husbands, time to get yourself perfect... Love needs contribution from both.
I really should ask the author of 'getting love' to compensate my sales effort.
不需要perfect
只要能给他他要的就行了
这一点我同意,宣传的时候是要考虑舆论导向的,不能说黄继光左右都是一死吧。
话又说回来了,就算他左右都是一死,他的行为也很英勇,起码他能在那个时候想到自己托起炸药包来,说明脑子足够清醒呀,大多数人估计就没办法了,退回去让敌人一枪给打死了。
那是董存瑞吧~
The reality was sad, but the story does not convey that kind of feeling; rather, the story tried to promote a 'last choice (in reality)' in people who do have other choices. That's why I don't believe it.
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这一点我同意,宣传的时候是要考虑舆论导向的,不能说黄继光左右都是一死吧。
话又说回来了,就算他左右都是一死,他的行为也很英勇,起码他能在那个时候想到自己托起炸药包来(刚才犯糊涂了,跟董存瑞张冠李戴了),说明脑子足够清醒呀,大多数人估计就没办法了,退回去让敌人一枪给打死了。
黄继光也很机智,想到自己堵枪眼,否则也让敌人打死了。
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为啥杀了老婆啊, 还自杀? 这个不符合自私男的形象啊
有暴力倾向...
我认为这个悲剧的关键问题不是小三
那是董存瑞吧~
你说得对,黄继光是堵枪眼的,我最近老说错话。
咱们两个对surprise gift的定义不同:
你的定义:频率固定,礼物要surprise
我的定义:时间和礼物都要surprise
那这个老公为什么不跟老婆直接说他期望固定频率的surprise gift呢?
你说得对,黄继光是堵枪眼的,我最近老说错话。
说道这个,最佩服的还是邱少云。。。全身都烧起来了还一动不动,那得多痛苦啊。。。
咱们两个对surprise gift的定义不同:
你的定义:频率固定,礼物要surprise
我的定义:时间和礼物都要surprise
那这个老公为什么不跟老婆直接说他期望固定频率的surprise gift呢?
See, logic is based on definition, which is not logic at all.
I did not say that the husband should not tell the wife that 他期望固定频率的surprise gift. As a matter of fact he's encouraged to tell. Most of the time many people keep such expectation to themselves, like a baby expect the Mom taking care of him/her without asking. That's an idea in 'getting the love'. Our unconscious mind works like a baby. So training our conscious mind to take care of our unconscious mind, like a Mom treating a baby, solves the problem. Very simple principle: find out what's wrong, and satisfy the expectation. Like Jolin asked me to think what REALLY makes me unhappy.
Empty, I also see this as a solution of your 'JING FEN' issue, that 'our conscious mind can be trained to take care of our unconscious mind'.
If she likes it, then go ahead and give some back.
Just one question: why did you call it "fight back" rather than "give back"? These two words are so different!
Because it was the style she used. I want to keep it the fun way!
说道这个,最佩服的还是邱少云。。。全身都烧起来了还一动不动,那得多痛苦啊。。。
这个真是不容易,尤其是他还可以滚到小水坑里。他太有毅力了,我觉得我做不到。
黄继光那个,估计我被逼急了觉得自己早晚一死的时候还是可以做的。
这个真是不容易,尤其是他还可以滚到小水坑里。他太有毅力了,我觉得我做不到。
黄继光那个,估计我被逼急了觉得自己早晚一死的时候还是可以做的。
这个境界太高了
See, logic is based on definition, which is not logic at all.
I did not say that the husband should not tell the wife that 他期望固定频率的surprise gift. As a matter of fact he's encouraged to tell. Most of the time many people keep such expectation to themselves, like a baby expect the Mom taking care of him/her without asking. That's an idea in 'getting the love'. Our unconscious mind works like a baby. So training our conscious mind to take care of our unconscious mind, like a Mom treating a baby, solves the problem. Very simple principle: find out what's wrong, and satisfy the expectation. Like Jolin asked me to think what REALLY makes me unhappy.
Empty, I also see this as a solution of your 'JING FEN' issue, that 'our conscious mind can be trained to take care of our unconscious mind'.
我老公最近在suffer他自己一个人拼命diy on the house,我看他都快要爆炸了。因为他虽然口里不说,心里是expect我帮他忙的。
我叫他不做,他又不听,可是我又不想下班回来还跟他一起赶工。
怎么办呢。。。
我老公最近在suffer他自己一个人拼命diy on the house,我看他都快要爆炸了。因为他虽然口里不说,心里是expect我帮他忙的。
我叫他不做,他又不听,可是我又不想下班回来还跟他一起赶工。
怎么办呢。。。
我不知道怎么办
不过我知道我要是这么干,我老公就算自己不很情愿,也会给我打下手的
那是打仗呀,他在敌人炮楼底下,敌人火力很猛,你说他要是退回去的话,不被打死的几率是多少,退回去不被枪毙的几率是多少。不能跟他的战友比生存的几率,得跟他自己比。
If someone else did that promoted action, his chance of surviving was big. See, that's the whole purpose of propaganda--let someone else sacrifices. Who the beneficiary was is very clear.
BTW, you suggested correcting English the other day. I'd be very happy to be the beneficiary.
不需要perfect
只要能给他他要的就行了
He may have untold expectations...
He may have untold expectations...
可他他天天唱我是幸福喜气福气猪
这一点我同意,宣传的时候是要考虑舆论导向的,不能说黄继光左右都是一死吧。
话又说回来了,就算他左右都是一死,他的行为也很英勇,起码他能在那个时候想到自己托起炸药包来(刚才犯糊涂了,跟董存瑞张冠李戴了),说明脑子足够清醒呀,大多数人估计就没办法了,退回去让敌人一枪给打死了。
黄继光也很机智,想到自己堵枪眼,否则也让敌人打死了。
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What I'm against is '不能说黄继光左右都是一死吧'. Isn't such 舆论导向 misleading?
这个境界太高了
It's a 境界 I would never pursue; and I will discourage anyone to pursue.
我不知道怎么办
不过我知道我要是这么干,我老公就算自己不很情愿,也会给我打下手的
你老公太好了!幸福的人~~
我老公最近在suffer他自己一个人拼命diy on the house,我看他都快要爆炸了。因为他虽然口里不说,心里是expect我帮他忙的。
我叫他不做,他又不听,可是我又不想下班回来还跟他一起赶工。
怎么办呢。。。
Negotiation.
For you, you need to consider when you would like to help, half an hour after arriving home? or after dinner?
For him, he needs to consider what his goal is. To finish in one month? Or in two months? Help him getting his target in line with reality--he suffers from the pressure of a too-high goal.
可他他天天唱我是幸福喜气福气猪
Apparently, you satisfied his expectations unconsciously and effortlessly. Wow, that's a 境界 I'd like to pursue!
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刚才听outlier,讲到南方人的honor culture。这么说,中国的地域歧视——歧视倒是不好,但是根据地域预期人的行为模式也还算可行
Yes, see how we honor the Coke culture...
Apparently, you satisfied his expectations unconsciously. Heihei, that's a 境界 I'd like to pursue!
我觉得我很幸运啊
觉得自己真是很一般,怎么正好就歪打正着了