https://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-imposes-major-sanctions-controversial-law-professor-amy/story?id=113955753 The University of Pennsylvania will impose major sanctions against Carey Law School professor Amy Wax, after an investigation concluded that she "engaged in ''flagrant unprofessional conduct,''" which included "a history of making sweeping and derogatory generalizations about groups by race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and immigration status." The university also found that Wax "on numerous occasions in and out of the classroom and in public, [made] discriminatory and disparaging statements targeting specific racial, ethnic, and other groups with which many students identify." The Faculty Senate Committee on Academic Freedom and Responsibility released a report Tuesday confirming sanctions against the tenured professor, which includes a one-year suspension with half-pay, the loss of her named chair and an inability to represent Penn in public appearances, among other measures. "Last year, a five-member faculty Hearing Board determined that Professor Amy Wax violated the University''s behavioral standards by engaging in years of flagrantly unprofessional conduct within and outside of the classroom that breached her responsibilities as a teacher to offer an equal learning opportunity to all students," a university spokesperson told ABC News. Wax has been under fire for years for her controversial language about minority groups, particularly Black and Asian populations. 她说了什么？ In one example cited by the students, Wax in an April 2022 Fox News interviewdisparaged Indian Americans and said "on some level, their country is a s--thole." In December 2021, Wax told Brown University professor Glenn Loury on his podcast "The Glenn Show" that "as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration." Wax also told Loury in 2017, "I don''t think I''ve ever seen a Black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half," calling this a "very inconvenient fact." In the letter from June 2022 initiating the disciplinary action against Wax, she was also accused of making homophobic and sexist remarks, including "commenting in class that gay couples are not fit to raise children" and telling students that "women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men." 尤其是最后一句，是说她自己？
westlake 发表于 2024-09-25 10:06 https://abcnews.go.com/US/penn-imposes-major-sanctions-controversial-law-professor-amy/story?id=113955753 The University of Pennsylvania will impose major sanctions against Carey Law School professor Amy Wax, after an investigation concluded that she "engaged in 'flagrant unprofessional conduct,'" which included "a history of making sweeping and derogatory generalizations about groups by race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and immigration status." The university also found that Wax "on numerous occasions in and out of the classroom and in public, [made] discriminatory and disparaging statements targeting specific racial, ethnic, and other groups with which many students identify." The Faculty Senate Committee on Academic Freedom and Responsibility released a report Tuesday confirming sanctions against the tenured professor, which includes a one-year suspension with half-pay, the loss of her named chair and an inability to represent Penn in public appearances, among other measures. "Last year, a five-member faculty Hearing Board determined that Professor Amy Wax violated the University's behavioral standards by engaging in years of flagrantly unprofessional conduct within and outside of the classroom that breached her responsibilities as a teacher to offer an equal learning opportunity to all students," a university spokesperson told ABC News. Wax has been under fire for years for her controversial language about minority groups, particularly Black and Asian populations.
Amy Wax - Wikipedia 2017 and 2019 about African Americans and race[edit] In an August 2017 piece in The Philadelphia Inquirer titled "Paying the price for breakdown of the country's bourgeois culture", she wrote with San Diego law professor Larry Alexander that since the 1950s, the decline of "bourgeois values" (such as hard work, self-discipline, marriage, and respect for authority) had contributed to social ills such as male labor force participation rates down to Great Depression-era levels, endemic opioid abuse, half of all children being born to single mothers, and many college students lacking basic skills. The authors asserted that "all cultures are not equal. Or at least they are not equal in preparing people to be productive in an advanced economy."[16][17] She told The Daily Pennsylvanian that "everyone wants to go to countries ruled by white Europeans" because of their "superior" mores. In the same interview, Wax strongly emphasized that she did not believe in the superiority of one race over another, but was describing the situation in various countries and cultures.[18] In a September 2017 podcast interview with Professor Glenn Loury, Wax said: "Take Penn Law School, or some top 10 law school... Here's a very inconvenient fact... I don't think I've ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half ... I can think of one or two students who scored in the top half in my required first-year course," and said that Penn Law has a racial diversity mandate for its Law Review.[19] University of Pennsylvania Law School Dean Theodore Ruger responded, "Black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law, and the Law Review does not have a diversity mandate. Rather, its editors are selected based on a competitive process."[20] In July 2019, at the Edmund Burke Foundation's inaugural National Conservatism conference, Wax said, "Embracing... cultural distance nationalism, means in effect taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer non-whites."[21] 2021 and 2022 remarks on Asians, African Americans and other minorities[edit] In 2021, Wax wrote that "As long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration." She claimed that Asians are ungrateful for the advantages of living in the US and vote disproportionately for the "pernicious" Democratic Party, which she called "mystifying" because the Democratic Party "demands equal outcomes despite clear . . . group differences" and "valorizes blacks." She cited Enoch Powell while calling for stricter race-based immigration restrictions against Asians.[37][38] During a January 2022 interview, Wax stated that among her past students "there were some very smart Jews", but "Ashkenazi Jews are 'diluting [their] brand like crazy because [they are] intermarrying.'"[39] In April 2022, Wax said on Tucker Carlson Today that "blacks" and other "non-Western" groups harbor "resentment, shame, and envy" against Western people for their "outsized achievements and contributions." Wax then attacked Indian immigrants for criticizing things in the United States when "their country is a shithole" and went on to say that "the role of envy and shame in the way that the Third-World regards the First-World [...] creates ingratitude of the most monstrous kind."[40] Wax's syllabus for her seminar "Conservative Political and Legal Thought" that was released in August 2022 included a scheduled speech by white supremacist Jared Taylor, the editor of the white supremacist magazine American Renaissance.[39]
看来是读不懂英文的？ "as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration."
eda2k4 发表于 2024-09-25 10:55 看来是读不懂英文的？ "as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration."
代码王子 发表于 2024-09-25 11:30 她的原话是 women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men 她说的是平均水平，不是说每个女性
作为一个教授，这话说得也太没水平了，应该说 ”women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men due to their historical lack of access to educational resources'我觉得这种落后于时代的老白女就应该劝退了
mermaidyuu 发表于 2024-09-25 11:34 作为一个教授，这话说得也太没水平了，应该说 ”women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men due to their historical lack of access to educational resources'我觉得这种落后于时代的老白女就应该劝退了
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我脑海中浮现了一个金发白男，他说let’s make america great again.
70几岁的老太婆了。就算被学校辞退也不怕的，早该退休了。正好再捞一笔。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
俺也想俺公司对俺 one year suspension with pay........
BTW，新闻上说，是half pay, 这个区别少说十几万刀了， 哈哈，另外还有些职位调整之类的
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The University of Pennsylvania will impose major sanctions against Carey Law School professor Amy Wax, after an investigation concluded that she "engaged in ''flagrant unprofessional conduct,''" which included "a history of making sweeping and derogatory generalizations about groups by race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, and immigration status." The university also found that Wax "on numerous occasions in and out of the classroom and in public, [made] discriminatory and disparaging statements targeting specific racial, ethnic, and other groups with which many students identify." The Faculty Senate Committee on Academic Freedom and Responsibility released a report Tuesday confirming sanctions against the tenured professor, which includes a one-year suspension with half-pay, the loss of her named chair and an inability to represent Penn in public appearances, among other measures. "Last year, a five-member faculty Hearing Board determined that Professor Amy Wax violated the University''s behavioral standards by engaging in years of flagrantly unprofessional conduct within and outside of the classroom that breached her responsibilities as a teacher to offer an equal learning opportunity to all students," a university spokesperson told ABC News. Wax has been under fire for years for her controversial language about minority groups, particularly Black and Asian populations.
她说了什么？ In one example cited by the students, Wax in an April 2022 Fox News interview disparaged Indian Americans and said "on some level, their country is a s--thole." In December 2021, Wax told Brown University professor Glenn Loury on his podcast "The Glenn Show" that "as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration." Wax also told Loury in 2017, "I don''t think I''ve ever seen a Black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half," calling this a "very inconvenient fact." In the letter from June 2022 initiating the disciplinary action against Wax, she was also accused of making homophobic and sexist remarks, including "commenting in class that gay couples are not fit to raise children" and telling students that "women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men."
尤其是最后一句，是说她自己？
看来又是个说了实话的。。。。
说女人没有男人有知识，说美国应该少些亚裔移民？你要有多自恨才觉得那是实话？
作为亚裔女性，你是不是应该相应这些”实话“的号召，滚出美国去？
哇，所以实话就是你该滚出米国？这是自恨新高度啊
总结这个大姐在social media的一些观点： AA很messed up， 黑人学生在藤校成绩很差 drop out rate很高，top 25%成绩的黑人她这么多年只见过一两个，藤校招这么多低质量老黑老莫浪费公共资源。 印度人的家乡是shit hole，来美国是因为西方社会给了他们机会，印度人没资格对美国政策指指点点，来了一个印度人就会来一串印度人，少点印度人社会更美好。 从东亚来美国的精英们，心里没有自由的根基习惯于follow强权，人数太多会影响美国的自由文化。 现在的激进女权非常messed up，用来代替现有男权社会只会导致社会混乱，现在的社会秩序是受到过时间考线的。
欢迎大家补充lol
2017 and 2019 about African Americans and race[edit] In an August 2017 piece in The Philadelphia Inquirer titled "Paying the price for breakdown of the country's bourgeois culture", she wrote with San Diego law professor Larry Alexander that since the 1950s, the decline of "bourgeois values" (such as hard work, self-discipline, marriage, and respect for authority) had contributed to social ills such as male labor force participation rates down to Great Depression-era levels, endemic opioid abuse, half of all children being born to single mothers, and many college students lacking basic skills. The authors asserted that "all cultures are not equal. Or at least they are not equal in preparing people to be productive in an advanced economy."[16][17] She told The Daily Pennsylvanian that "everyone wants to go to countries ruled by white Europeans" because of their "superior" mores. In the same interview, Wax strongly emphasized that she did not believe in the superiority of one race over another, but was describing the situation in various countries and cultures.[18] In a September 2017 podcast interview with Professor Glenn Loury, Wax said: "Take Penn Law School, or some top 10 law school... Here's a very inconvenient fact... I don't think I've ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half ... I can think of one or two students who scored in the top half in my required first-year course," and said that Penn Law has a racial diversity mandate for its Law Review.[19] University of Pennsylvania Law School Dean Theodore Ruger responded, "Black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law, and the Law Review does not have a diversity mandate. Rather, its editors are selected based on a competitive process."[20] In July 2019, at the Edmund Burke Foundation's inaugural National Conservatism conference, Wax said, "Embracing... cultural distance nationalism, means in effect taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer non-whites."[21]
2021 and 2022 remarks on Asians, African Americans and other minorities[edit] In 2021, Wax wrote that "As long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration." She claimed that Asians are ungrateful for the advantages of living in the US and vote disproportionately for the "pernicious" Democratic Party, which she called "mystifying" because the Democratic Party "demands equal outcomes despite clear . . . group differences" and "valorizes blacks." She cited Enoch Powell while calling for stricter race-based immigration restrictions against Asians.[37][38] During a January 2022 interview, Wax stated that among her past students "there were some very smart Jews", but "Ashkenazi Jews are 'diluting [their] brand like crazy because [they are] intermarrying.'"[39] In April 2022, Wax said on Tucker Carlson Today that "blacks" and other "non-Western" groups harbor "resentment, shame, and envy" against Western people for their "outsized achievements and contributions." Wax then attacked Indian immigrants for criticizing things in the United States when "their country is a shithole" and went on to say that "the role of envy and shame in the way that the Third-World regards the First-World [...] creates ingratitude of the most monstrous kind."[40] Wax's syllabus for her seminar "Conservative Political and Legal Thought" that was released in August 2022 included a scheduled speech by white supremacist Jared Taylor, the editor of the white supremacist magazine American Renaissance.[39]
那位是奇葩中的奇葩
你要把她的话前后文看完
除了男权，这里很多都是事实啊
什么事实，一边吹民主自由、一边说投民主党就该被赶走？
如果你楼上的另外那贴能比较好的反映她的“上下文”的话，那么她确实是在说了美国应该少些（某些特定族裔的 - 这里包括我们这个族裔）亚裔移民。
看来是读不懂英文的？
"as long as most Asians support Democrats and help to advance their positions, I think the United States is better off with fewer Asians and less Asian immigration."
俺觉着烙印太多了， 华人才5百万，不多
嗯我不同意她的观点 不过也该看看她的理由 不单是只看结论
事实？大家讨论仅仅是她说的是不是事实么？攻击侮辱性的话也可以用“事实”的方式说出来。
比如，你要是说”长的丑的人，形象很差，会影响整个社会的颜值“
这也是事实，你觉得这么说有问题没有？
所以 asian是不是多数support Democrat？ 为什么support Democrat？
她的话表现出来明显的敌意，我们又不是和她讨论问题，也不是要辩论赢她，或者让她心服口服，为啥要去管她的理由？
她的话有不少人支持的 如果不是关于东亚人那一段 好多华人都会认同她的话 如果不看她的argument 就没法反驳她
好奇她有没有评价她母族/母国的言论
Amy Wax同意你吗?
data本身 是很中性的 不带任何情绪 比如黑人学生在MIT的drop out rate
亚裔支持谁你管的着吗？
如果你想对公众去做这种反驳（大概率你不会去），那么你可以去想清楚自己怎么说能哄的更多人信。
至于这里，大家的所谓讨论，就是斗嘴而已 - 自己说的爽，看见有人认同觉得爽，怼不同意见怼的爽，仅此而已。我基本上没见过谁被这里的（政治/热门）讨论中其他的人的说法说服，突觉今是而昨非的。
对于Prof. Wax，我觉得指出她对我们的敌意，然后幸灾乐祸一番，就挺好。就是这样子。
Amy Wax是犹太人 她自己和他父母都是美国出生长大的 可能没有太多母国概念
其实本来就应该一个标准录取。我们这里去T5的有那种重要AP 拿C的学生。就是因为肤色。这不合理吧？
你的发言 是很emotional的 在美国社会的价值 是零
我们讨论的本来就不是data本身，而是说话的人。
你在美国吗？是亚裔吗？如果在又是，然后又认可她的话，你应该以身作则，离开美国！
嗯我同意 人又不能选择自己的肤色 用肤色作为录取标准之一 就是种族歧视
您说说这里谁的发言在美国社会的价值不是零？这里绝大部分发言根本就不会传到“美国社会”去。
这一个斗嘴的地方，对大家的发言，您说啥“在美国社会的价值”？这不是笑话么。。。
对说话的人 也要看她的观点argument 然后你才知道怎么从逻辑上去反驳 冷嘲热讽 和嘴上爽 在美国没人理你
speak for your self 盲猜一下你没有美国的学位 和solid 工作经验 也没有美国人的圈子 不怪你这么想很正常
说了这样的话也就是罚酒三杯。对比宾大校长的下场，可见亚裔卑微不假，但黑命贵也就是虚幻靶子，真命贵还得看油态人
又来这套了。。。好像自个儿是全知似的了。。。真够能装的。
这儿没人说话给其他“美国人”看，这儿就是大家自己爽而已。要是真到公开机会或者NYtimes这种地方发言或者写文章，当然就不这么说了。
对一个明显表达出敌意的人，她倒霉，我表示她活该，就这么简单。您觉得她特有理是您的事，我只要指出您是在为一个对我们有敌意的人找理由辩解，就够了。
开始臆想了？
美国社会现在的其中一个博弈 就是political correctness和freedom of speech的博弈 Amy Wax可以claim自己行使freedom of speech的权力 只不过是不zzzq 大学理论上对这两个都要支持 对这两者的度怎么把握 是个艰难的问题
她怎么这么猛，实话也不能这样说
这是根据你的发言 做出的logical conclusion
可能人老了 所以不care了 放飞自我
那只能说您的逻辑非常混乱。
根据前面您拿装腔作势的说话方式，您也有一定的概率是故意来挖坑的。
别逗了，换个华人让天龙人滚蛋，你看看是什么待遇？
这个没人知道啊 毕竟 华人里面 也没出现过这种 有gut的人
你在家带小孩 也不是什么不好的事情 有多大能力做多大的事
因为support democrats就要被赶走？为什么support republican的不需要被赶走？
这是拿着党派的借口上升到种族歧视的高度？
有啊，她觉得女的没有男的有知识
当然，我不知道她是不是自认是男性
某人这半句话就换行的习惯看着很眼熟啊，是那个ID被搞丑了以后换了个马甲出来？
我不同意她的观点 但是她有她说话的权利
你想让华人试什么，会不会因为反犹被抓起来？ 你这对华人深深的恶意，隔着互联网都能冒出来。
言论自由是有言论自由的界限的
你如果高呼刺杀谁，FBI马上来敲你的门
你如果宣传种族歧视，宣传希特勒那一套，学校也要担心这种言论影响招生，这个处罚其实太轻了，应该开除。
你如果瞎说某地的海地人吃猫吃狗，导致那里被仇恨袭击，你也会被告。
要我说，现在美国言论自由的界限太低，应该有法律规定某些言论自由的界限。
你搞反了。这种言论是先有了结论再去找的论点。你去跟她纠缠细节逻辑你就输了。这种套路每个种族都能套上。Amy Wax 的犹太族特别适用。
她的原话是 women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men 她说的是平均水平，不是说每个女性
所以你的结论 是怎么得出来的呢？ 没有事实的支撑 靠猜测吗
作为一个教授，这话说得也太没水平了，应该说 ”women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men due to their historical lack of access to educational resources' 我觉得这种落后于时代的老白女就应该劝退了
你如果瞎说某地的海地人吃猫吃狗，导致那里被仇恨袭击，你也会被告。 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 如果海地人吃猫吃狗这件事是事实 请问说了有什么问题呢？ 仇恨袭击该惩罚的人 是干袭击这件事的人 跟给出data的人有什么关系？
如果对言论的sensor到了这种程度 跟朝鲜有什么区别呢
现在大家struggle的 就是言论自由的界限是什么 种族歧视是怎么定义的 政治正确又是怎么定义的
是谁在那怂恿华人发声驱逐犹太人的？
现在美国女性在work force的参与度 确实比男性低很多 knowledge很大程度来自于教育和工作经验
你并不认识对方，这种扣帽子的讨论方式一出，说明你心虚了。
对方除了emotional的人身攻击 也没有任何logical argument 不想跟层次不高的人纠缠而已
明眼人
我说的瞎说，就是因为没有证据，不少事实。
现在各个媒体的深挖，没有查到一例海地人吃宠物的
就算是有一例，甚至十例，也不能代表海地难民这个整体
这个道理都不明白？
羡慕死了啊。。。带薪休假还是一整年！
我觉得她说的是实话啊！不过现在没有人喜欢实话了！
没有母国概念就没有吧。对于母族有啥想法？觉得人太多还是太少？
Amy Wax给的data是 MIT黑人学生 drop out rate非常高 亚裔mass majority投Democrat 这些数据都是没问题的 你可以不同意她的结论 但她有说话的权利
我说的瞎说是说海地人吃宠物，你不要张冠李戴
她没有说亚裔投民主党，所以就应该被赶走的权力。
现在我们 假设海地人吃宠物 这件事是真的 那说出来 有什么问题吗
Amy Wax也没有给出来fake data
为什么没有？ again 这又回到了 freedom of speech是怎么定义的 界限在哪里的问题
是给了两个sabbatical。大学对于tenured faculty就是这么无力
胡搅蛮缠、没有logic的是你吧
很大概率就是他。
但无所谓，爱谁谁，我们在这儿斗嘴针对的就是说话的ID，至于背后是谁，或者就是装的，这都完全无所谓。
我已经回答了啊，就算是几个海地人吃了宠物，处罚这几个海地人就好了，把这个推而广之说是所有海地人都这德性，就是种族歧视，不在言论自由的保护范围。何况，现在连这个所谓的假设都不存在，根本就没有事实依据。
不信啊，你出去说，校园枪击90%都是白人干的，应该立法白人不许拥枪试试看？这个是铁的事实啊
你完全可以说啊 应该立法白人不许拥枪
左派这么说的人 多了去了
说话是你的权力 Amy Wax说话 也是她的权力
她不是立法机构 会不会变成法律又不是她说了算
你和他这么“讨论”，是没用的，他只要一句“那也是言论自由”，你还能说啥？
所以对这种人，很简单 - 世界上可以讨论的东西很多，我们为啥要跟着他的思路，他说要找对方说某件事的理由，我们就去跟着找，去研究对方说这话是不是有原因。。。
我们就只讨论我们在意的：对方的言论明显表达了对我们的恶意，所以我们乐于见到她倒霉。另外那位代码同学装模做样的在这儿为针对我们的恶意去辩解，表现出的也是恶意和找茬。
就这么简单啦。。。至于用什么方式去对待他的恶意和找茬，这是大家自己的选择。。。
第三点，其实说的是黄川粉
但是她认为民主党是极权，确实脑袋秀逗了。
赞 听众的阅历和所受的教育问题 这个楼里有人现身说法 非常有娱乐性
现在社会变了，以前你说这个好吃有营养， 他可以反驳说这个难吃没营养， 例如某营养师测定了。。。。
后来变成， 你说这个好吃有营养， 他就说你吃屎去吧，你全家死光光。。。
再后来，你说这个好吃有营养， 于是你就被开除了，封号。。
你想要什么数据和证据，宣扬驱逐犹太人不是仇恨犯罪？
有华人 因为这个 被惩罚的先例吗
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这说话方式，是模仿林教授？真变态。