"The SAVE Act just passed the House. Republicans were unanimously yea. 198 Democrats voted nay, only 5 voted yea, confirming that the Dems do not want secure elections. This bill will likely die in the Senate, and if it gets to Joe’s desk, there is no way he signs it. However, by introducing the bill, it forces the Dems to show their hand, and gives serious legitimacy to the idea that the Dems use illegals to vote, and engage in voter fraud."
每次说起数选票的时候，民主党的统一口径就是count all votes, 共和党的统一口径就是count all legal votes. This tells you all you need to know which party is diluting your vote and right.
monofaye 发表于 2024-07-10 20:18 Voter registration is very easy, 民主党的所谓的voter suppression 就是一个借口而已。从大多数民主党议员反对save act就知道那个党benefi from voting without shown proof of citizenship.
"For those wondering why the Dems opposed the SAVE Act, here is a supercut of the House Dems’ arguments from the floor. They claim it’s a Republican conspiracy to prevent “black, brown, and LGBTQIA+” people from voting. They claim it’s “xenophobic” and “anti-democratic” to require an ID to vote. In reality, we all know this is just because they plan to cheat. And given that their candidate is a vegetable who is trialing heavily in the polls, they need to be able to cheat now more than ever. The GOP just forced the Dems to admit they use illegals to cheat in federal elections."
monofaye 发表于 2024-07-10 20:20 每次说起数选票的时候，民主党的统一口径就是count all votes, 共和党的统一口径就是count all legal votes. This tells you all you need to know which party is diluting your vote and right.
As we all expected, Biden and the Dems vehemently oppose the SAVE Act. The only reason anyone would oppose this, is because they benefit from voter fraud. This is also the main reason why they oppose the wall and border security. Because they steal elections with illegals.
You can run, but you can't hide The People's Audit monitors EVERYTHING that happens in the voter rolls over time. We just added a new set of reports that will help our users spot suspicious growths in registrations at any given address. Every voter has to live somewhere. In the attached report you see this abandoned looking commercial building in Clay County, FL being used as a mail forwarding service for a nearby yacht club. We were told that this is totally legal for people to be registered there even though we counted 45 people per boat slip registered there in 2020. Somehow now another 428 people were stuffed into this location since 2020. Anyone see them put in a highrise to store all those boats that somehow all these people are living in? The concept is very easy. Count how many people were registered there in the bloated voter rolls of 2020 and compare them to the present counts. Unless they are adding buildings or renovating spaces, there should be no spikes in new voters being added.
出生纸要钱？这孩子不是在医院生的？不是生出来就有出生纸？ssn是跟你的身份挂钩的，你有ssn不等于你的ssn是公民的ssn，你成为公民以后要去socialsecurity.gov上去update your citizenship status。照你们这样说，任何没有身份证明的，只要说一句“我是公民”，就可以投票了？
purplelavender 发表于 2024-07-10 22:26 Santa Clara County: Get a Birth Certificate in Person, by Mail, or Online https://clerkrecorder.sccgov.org/purchase-birth-certificate
我打工的鸟不拉屎的小企业给我6个星期的paternity leave, 所以我就领取我娃出生证 in person. 应该没有问题吧。
好吧，我们都是在医院就办好了，真不用去county office…… https://www.sutterhealth.org/health/newborns/birth-certificate-ssn#:~:text=If%20you%20don't%20name,address%20listed%20on%20the%20form. Here’s how to obtain a copy of your baby’s birth certificate: Email, write or visit your county Department of Vital Records for an order form. Some hospitals may provide you with an order form during your hospital stay. Provide your baby’s full name, birth date, parents’ names, mother’s maiden (birth) name, and the address to which the certificate is to be sent.
Bbean 发表于 2024-07-10 22:31 好吧，我们都是在医院就办好了，真不用去county office…… https://www.sutterhealth.org/health/newborns/birth-certificate-ssn#:~:text=If%20you%20don't%20name,address%20listed%20on%20the%20form. Here’s how to obtain a copy of your baby’s birth certificate: Email, write or visit your county Department of Vital Records for an order form. Some hospitals may provide you with an order form during your hospital stay. Provide your baby’s full name, birth date, parents’ names, mother’s maiden (birth) name, and the address to which the certificate is to be sent.
又来了。fact check 很难吗？ "A spokesman for data analysis website FiveThirtyEight ( fivethirtyeight.com/ ) told Reuters via email that the jumps in Michigan and Wisconsin were due to counties releasing large batches of results all at once and that the votes were not just for Biden. One large jump of almost 140,000 ballots in Michigan was due to a clerical error that has since been resolved. In Pennsylvania both the Trump and Biden campaign gained around 1 million votes on the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4. " https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-vote-spikes-in-wisconsin-michigan-and-pennsylvania-do-not-prove-ele-idUSKBN27Q304/ 当然路透社也是邪恶的左媒。
好吧，我们都是在医院就办好了，真不用去county office…… https://www.sutterhealth.org/health/newborns/birth-certificate-ssn#:~:text=If%20you%20don't%20name,address%20listed%20on%20the%20form. Here’s how to obtain a copy of your baby’s birth certificate: Email, write or visit your county Department of Vital Records for an order form. Some hospitals may provide you with an order form during your hospital stay. Provide your baby’s full name, birth date, parents’ names, mother’s maiden (birth) name, and the address to which the certificate is to be sent.
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如果别人冒你的名字去投票，比你先到，然后你去了，发现你的名字被打勾了，不能投票了，你会怎么办？这种情况是要上报调查的，不能不了了之。你听说过几个这样的案例？没有吧？我问过投票站多年的工作人员，说是从来没有发生过
如果是你，你会不会冒险去冒名投票？因为你不知道你冒的这个人，是不是已经投票了，被查到这是重罪（你以为每个投票站荷枪实弹的警察是干什么的？）
倒也不用那么麻烦，有photo id就可以了，甚至我觉得就连school id都可以，当然前提是你曾经证明过你是公民，你的voter registration在database里。
”选民登记处从来没有verify注册选民的公民身份”是我的论点。所谓的租霸是选民登记处，我不针对每个单独的注册选民。哎，我真不知道你们是真傻还是装傻。
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Republicans were unanimously yea.
198 Democrats voted nay, only 5 voted yea, confirming that the Dems do not want secure elections.
This bill will likely die in the Senate, and if it gets to Joe’s desk, there is no way he signs it.
However, by introducing the bill, it forces the Dems to show their hand, and gives serious legitimacy to the idea that the Dems use illegals to vote, and engage in voter fraud."
细说，哪里误导了，说错了请纠错，就事论事不要人身攻击哈
拜登昨天已经提前放话他会行使总统权力veto
美国投票本来就够麻烦的了。这种提案的目的，就是让投票变得更麻烦。投票越烦琐，步骤越多，就有越多的年轻人因为忙着学习/工作/带娃/etc/而不去投票或者不去注册。而那帮退休没事干的老头老太太的相对权重就会增加。所以共和党每次都喜欢搞这样的提案。
为什么veto？方便作弊？
如果多这几步都嫌麻烦，那确实还是别投票了。
The left has no brain left, the right has no brain right.
民主党是不给真正的公民投票设障碍，让人人都能投票。比各种限制，让穷人黑人没法投票强
不理解，本来不也要register，到时候再去投票吗？是多了什么步骤导致voter suppression？
They claim it’s a Republican conspiracy to prevent “black, brown, and LGBTQIA+” people from voting.
They claim it’s “xenophobic” and “anti-democratic” to require an ID to vote.
In reality, we all know this is just because they plan to cheat. And given that their candidate is a vegetable who is trialing heavily in the polls, they need to be able to cheat now more than ever.
The GOP just forced the Dems to admit they use illegals to cheat in federal elections."
这几条现在都是各州在做的啊！哪怕是蓝州。这不是脱了裤子放屁吗
先把他们说的legal vote的定义讲清楚，合法公民用合法方式投的票，凭什么不legal？
我们这，换驾照的时候，会确认是否公民，是的话，是红的还是蓝的或者无党派人士，这些理论上都在系统里了。我理解，驾照扫一下就知道是不是公民了。（第一次办驾照时，需要确认身份，公民的话，需要提供proof。）
别的地方我不知道，我们这，投票点记得是检查驾照的。
公民投票那当然是legal啊。你说说什么叫”count all votes”? 是不是说不管谁投的票都得count呢？不是公民投的票要不要count？
这只是congress，过不了senator 也过不了最后president
是的，应该过不了民主党控制的议会，和民主党总统那一关
The only reason anyone would oppose this, is because they benefit from voter fraud.
This is also the main reason why they oppose the wall and border security.
Because they steal elections with illegals.
不是公民根本拿不到选票的好不好？20年一些地方不给count的选票，是邮寄因为邮局的原因晚到了一两天，还有就是签名有点不一样的。这些都是正经公民的投票。
这么铁的证据，2020年没拿到法庭上去，可惜了！
因为办这些手续都是要交钱的，不然怎么叫资本主义啊
小人之心，自己喜欢作弊的看人家怎么都像是作弊
所以这个法律才是脱了裤子放屁啊
少标题党了 “国会通过了SAVE act,只有公民在联邦选举才能投票 ”
那么回答一个问题： 现在非公民在联邦选举中投票合法吗？ 现有法律清清楚楚， 非法， 即使没有楼主这个act 也是毫无争议非法
所以这种媒体炒作， 无非是想用反差暗示民主党想非法投票， 党争手段罢了
举个民主党玩花招的例子 投票推极端环保法案大傻币搞环保， 共和党当然反对 民主党就会大肆宣扬共和党人反对保护环境， 置子孙后代福祉于不顾
这是党争101。
因为这个bill说的是require people to show proof of citizenship to register to vote。本来就是只有公民才能在联邦选举投票，所以你标题里的这一点说得不够清楚。
不太明白,民主党为啥不愿意通过这个法案,只有公民才能投票应该是起码的条件吧。
Different interpretation, check speaker Johnson's tweet I shared earlier....
通过了那他们接下来怎么作弊啊？你不会连这个都不懂吧
The People's Audit monitors EVERYTHING that happens in the voter rolls over time.
We just added a new set of reports that will help our users spot suspicious growths in registrations at any given address.
Every voter has to live somewhere.
In the attached report you see this abandoned looking commercial building in Clay County, FL being used as a mail forwarding service for a nearby yacht club.
We were told that this is totally legal for people to be registered there even though we counted 45 people per boat slip registered there in 2020.
Somehow now another 428 people were stuffed into this location since 2020.
Anyone see them put in a highrise to store all those boats that somehow all these people are living in?
The concept is very easy. Count how many people were registered there in the bloated voter rolls of 2020 and compare them to the present counts.
Unless they are adding buildings or renovating spaces, there should be no spikes in new voters being added.
又是排山倒海的证据不敢送到法官目前去？
因为早就有法律规定了，需要重复制定法律吗
补充几条：反对把投票日作为联邦假日，严禁在投票站门口发水(逼人在极寒极暑天气饥渴难耐地排队，GA的sb202，可以自己搜去)，阻挠邮寄选票，减少投票箱(精准打击蓝区)。欢迎补充
魔鬼都在细节里，再加一个：GOP坚决不让投票日设成联邦假日因为这样会增加他们心目中穷鬼投票的机会。
虽然版上吵得很厉害，我还是怀着美好的愿望认为大多数华人心是善良的。大家想想是不是每个公民无论贫富都应该拥有同样的机会去投票。面对GOp 的伎俩，虽然伤不到大多数华人、但是我们就应该假装看不见？
出身纸和SSN是没有照片的，很多州不能单用这种证件来证明身份
出生证明也是要钱的。SSN 我当teaching assistant 开始领工资时就拿了。不能证明公民的。您真是在美国？
通过SSN是可以知道公民身份的
出生纸要钱？这孩子不是在医院生的？不是生出来就有出生纸？ssn是跟你的身份挂钩的，你有ssn不等于你的ssn是公民的ssn，你成为公民以后要去socialsecurity.gov上去update your citizenship status。照你们这样说，任何没有身份证明的，只要说一句“我是公民”，就可以投票了？
Here we go！根据选票信息也可以核查公民身份，为什么非要id
错。我娃出生后，医院给了张纸，然后我们去County office 领的出生证明。你还是别说了，要么你还没有孩子，要么你不在美国， 越说越露馅。
得拿着那张纸去政府办出生证明，要收钱。医院那张纸没有任何法律效力，连保险都办不了
我就是我们村接生婆接生的， 在自己家里。 我们这一代在农村应该很常见。
你在哪个鸟不拉屎的county啊还要去county Office？你们county 没有post Office 吗？我们这边可都是寄到家里的。
国会的议员们吃饱了撑的， 正事干不了， 就只能干这些破事， 下雨天打孩子， 闲着也是闲着。 反正知道也通不过。
我都忘了是怎么办的了， 好像是这样的。 很容易可以申请到 certified copy.
哈哈。 估计都可以吧。 大家都是吃饱了撑的， 扇着扇子瞎聊。
不好意思，我在Santa Clara County. 当地有些鸟不拉屎的小企业如Google， Meta， MS，Tesla 之类的。
我记得我是去townhall取的娃出生证，是娃出生医院所在的镇，还不是我们居住的镇。
嗯， 估计美国好多人一辈子没有护照， 没出过国， 弄个 vote ID， 确实有一定的麻烦。
我不相信会有大量造假， 要不川普的律师们不会被罚天价了， Gulianni 都被罚破产了， 律师证也被吊销了， 马斯克有钱， 可以使劲喷， 不怕罚。
造假多了， 随便抽几张票检查就可以了。
不过我觉得应该还是实行 voter ID 的， 跟中国似的， 一出生就应该发个身份证。 美国太土了。
我打工的鸟不拉屎的小企业给我6个星期的paternity leave, 所以我就领取我娃出生证 in person. 应该没有问题吧。
好吧，我们都是在医院就办好了，真不用去county office…… https://www.sutterhealth.org/health/newborns/birth-certificate-ssn#:~:text=If%20you%20don't%20name,address%20listed%20on%20the%20form.
Here’s how to obtain a copy of your baby’s birth certificate: Email, write or visit your county Department of Vital Records for an order form. Some hospitals may provide you with an order form during your hospital stay. Provide your baby’s full name, birth date, parents’ names, mother’s maiden (birth) name, and the address to which the certificate is to be sent.
医院只是采集信息，真正领取还是需要去county或周。
又来了。fact check 很难吗？
"A spokesman for data analysis website FiveThirtyEight ( fivethirtyeight.com/ ) told Reuters via email that the jumps in Michigan and Wisconsin were due to counties releasing large batches of results all at once and that the votes were not just for Biden. One large jump of almost 140,000 ballots in Michigan was due to a clerical error that has since been resolved. In Pennsylvania both the Trump and Biden campaign gained around 1 million votes on the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4. "
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-vote-spikes-in-wisconsin-michigan-and-pennsylvania-do-not-prove-ele-idUSKBN27Q304/
当然路透社也是邪恶的左媒。
我去County office 也不用在您以前的帖子羞辱我所在的县吧？我们可有1.871 million乡民喔。
county给你邮寄，大约4周左右。 我们还是不要跑题了。说说不能自证是公民的，能不能选举呢？
一个精力不如从前的decent 老头也比 The chief of Bone Spur, pussy grabbing，pathologically lying racist 强啊。
您在前面的帖子里还说医院就发出生证明。到底哪个你是对的？
满意了。下次请在骂人前消消气。
我们在医院办的所有手续，四周后出生纸寄到家，简简单单。
这种无聊的争论，结论无关紧要，因为双方都有说的通的理由。
其中之一的理由，实际上就是有人会像你这么想：多这几步太麻烦，所以就不去了吧。。。
有人希望不要弄的这样的人不去投票，所以反对这个法案。
这理由很清楚吧？你特在乎是不是能更好的制止作弊的人，有人特在乎是不是能更少妨碍这些嫌麻烦的人。大家各有所好而已，法律就是为大家的利益服务的，不是为“绝对的正义”服务的哦。。。不知道哪儿那么多优越感觉得自个儿就代表真理啊？
我觉得如果大家心平气和，很多道理是可以说得通的。当然我经常皮里阳秋地发帖，华人上的戾气有我一份功劳。
但是抛开政见（不是抛开事实），大家是不是认为只要是公民就应该能不受任何阻挠地投票？
举个例子：对于打小时工的穷人来说去一次投票站就会至少一两个小时没收入。如果再碰上投票站没有免费parking lot，他们很可能就放弃啦。因为对他们来说找好停车场后再走过来投票就意味着又有一个小时的钱没了。这时候，禁止邮寄ballot 然后再在投票站的选址上做些文章真地就是明目张胆地精准欺负穷人啦。
争这个有什么用啊，就算给你寄到家，你也得先把钱交了啊。医院那张纸是含在住院费了，但政府的是要交钱的，二十年前就要二十多刀一张
没用啊，就说走题了嘛。 我的问题其实很简单，如果这么一个人，没有任何东西可以证明他是公民，这人能投票吗？
所以应该推广每个公民应该至少有一张带照片的免费ID. 可惜GOP永远不会这样做。