回复 174楼 Simpson2020 的帖子 Vast differences in training Not all nurse practitioners get “a sound, thorough, in-person education,” said Teresa Camp-Rogers, MD, a staff emergency physician at South Central Regional Medical Center in Laurel, Mississippi. “Some NPs receive subpar training. There are NP schools with 100% acceptance rates. Some NP schools have open-book exams. A handful of NP schools, called direct-entry NP schools, will accept applicants even without a nursing degree. Some programs can be completed in as little as 18 months.” Given the duration and lack of rigor in this nurse-practitioner training, “it is not surprising that it is common to see missed diagnoses, incorrectly written prescriptions, and delays in care among patients cared for by NPs,” said Dr. Camp-Rogers, an AMA member who is associate editor of the Journal of the Mississippi State Medical Association. As noted in an AMA explainer (PDF), physician training is comprehensive and requires studying all aspects of the human condition—biological, chemical, pharmacological and behavioral—in the classroom, laboratory and through direct patient care. “We don’t just learn one quick fact about a disease and its most common presentation,” Dr. Camp-Rogers said. “In order to keep patients safe, we learn every single facet of a disease and the less common presentations.” In addition, nurse practitioners may have limited hands-on training, with 60% of nurse-practitioner programs offered completely or partially online, the AMA explainer says. Critically, nurse-practitioner training—in stark contrast to physician education and training—has virtually no standardization for obtaining practical experience in patient care. The type of patient care experiences nurse practitioners get will vary widely from student to student, and the breadth and depth of clinical experience is not guaranteed at the individual lev
. 2017 Jul-Aug;33(4):271-275. doi: 10.1016/j.profnurs.2017.01.002. Epub 2017 Jan 5. Nurse practitioner malpractice data: Informing nursing education Casey Fryer Sweeney 1, Anna LeMahieu 2, George E Fryer 3 ...... Methods: Using National Practitioner Data Bank public use data, years 1990 to 2014, NP malpractice claims were classified by event type, patient outcome, setting, and number of practitioners involved. Results: The greatest proportion of malpractice claims involving nurse practitioners were diagnosis related (41.46%) and treatment related (30.79%). Severe patient outcomes most often occurred in the outpatient setting. Nurse practitioners were independently responsible for the event in the majority of the analyzed claims. Conclusion: Moving forward, nurse practitioner malpractice data should be continuously analyzed and used to inform the development of nurse practitioner education standards and graduate program curriculum to address areas of clinical weakness and improve quality of care and patient safety.
全美排前几名的医学院Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis 是这样说护士背景学医的 postbaccpremed.wustl.edu/news/changing-your-career-nursing-medicine#:~:text=Nurses%20can%20make%20terrific%20candidates,not%20you%20like%20patient%20care. Nurses can make terrific candidates for medical school. If you''''re working as a nurse or completing a nursing degree, you already have several strong advantages in preparing for a transition to medicine. You don’t have to wonder whether or not you like patient care. You’ve already invested many hours at the bedside, and you know that patients can be grateful or resentful, reasonable or non-compliant. You''''ve learned that a career in health care is rewarding to you, regardless of these challenges. You have a depth of clinical experience that is virtually impossible for traditional medical school applicants to acquire. This can be one of the largest challenges for many pre-med students. As a nurse, you not only have valuable personal experience caring for patients, but you also have a network of professional contacts to call on if you want to shadow specialties you’re not as familiar with. You’ve got a head start academically. As part of your nursing preparation, you took courses in anatomy, physiology, microbiology, and chemistry. It’s likely that you’ll have to repeat some of these courses, depending on the exact content and age of the course work, but familiarity with these subjects means they should come easily the second time around. You’re comfortable working as part of a team. You understand the importance of working cooperatively toward a common goal, relying on colleagues, and communicating effectively. However, you may feel driven to become the leader of that team. 不过据我所知很多学医的本科学心理学之类好拿高GPA的，护士本科在美国挺难读，也比较难拿高GPA，并不是准备学医最好本科选择。医生和NP区别类似RN和LPN，想开处方还是去医学院吧，读护理博士那些其实也能把医学院读下来，看我朋友就很后悔当年没有去读医学院而是读了NP，干的活差不多，待遇差太远。不过不开处方的话，护士专业在美国有很多选择，机会很多。
全美排前几名的医学院Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis 是这样说护士背景学医的 postbaccpremed.wustl.edu/news/changing-your-career-nursing-medicine#:~:text=Nurses%20can%20make%20terrific%20candidates,not%20you%20like%20patient%20care. Nurses can make terrific candidates for medical school. If you''''re working as a nurse or completing a nursing degree, you already have several strong advantages in preparing for a transition to medicine. You don’t have to wonder whether or not you like patient care. You’ve already invested many hours at the bedside, and you know that patients can be grateful or resentful, reasonable or non-compliant. You''''ve learned that a career in health care is rewarding to you, regardless of these challenges. You have a depth of clinical experience that is virtually impossible for traditional medical school applicants to acquire. This can be one of the largest challenges for many pre-med students. As a nurse, you not only have valuable personal experience caring for patients, but you also have a network of professional contacts to call on if you want to shadow specialties you’re not as familiar with. You’ve got a head start academically. As part of your nursing preparation, you took courses in anatomy, physiology, microbiology, and chemistry. It’s likely that you’ll have to repeat some of these courses, depending on the exact content and age of the course work, but familiarity with these subjects means they should come easily the second time around. You’re comfortable working as part of a team. You understand the importance of working cooperatively toward a common goal, relying on colleagues, and communicating effectively. However, you may feel driven to become the leader of that team. 不过据我所知很多学医的本科学心理学之类好拿高GPA的，护士本科在美国挺难读，也比较难拿高GPA，并不是准备学医最好本科选择。医生和NP区别类似RN和LPN，想开处方还是去医学院吧，读护理博士那些其实也能把医学院读下来，看我朋友就很后悔当年没有去读医学院而是读了NP，干的活差不多，待遇差太远。不过不开处方的话，护士专业在美国有很多选择，机会很多。
hellohey 发表于 2024-06-09 20:14 全美排前几名的医学院Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis 是这样说护士背景学医的 postbaccpremed.wustl.edu/news/changing-your-career-nursing-medicine#:~:text=Nurses%20can%20make%20terrific%20candidates,not%20you%20like%20patient%20care. Nurses can make terrific candidates for medical school. If you''''re working as a nurse or completing a nursing degree, you already have several strong advantages in preparing for a transition to medicine. You don’t have to wonder whether or not you like patient care. You’ve already invested many hours at the bedside, and you know that patients can be grateful or resentful, reasonable or non-compliant. You''''ve learned that a career in health care is rewarding to you, regardless of these challenges. You have a depth of clinical experience that is virtually impossible for traditional medical school applicants to acquire. This can be one of the largest challenges for many pre-med students. As a nurse, you not only have valuable personal experience caring for patients, but you also have a network of professional contacts to call on if you want to shadow specialties you’re not as familiar with. You’ve got a head start academically. As part of your nursing preparation, you took courses in anatomy, physiology, microbiology, and chemistry. It’s likely that you’ll have to repeat some of these courses, depending on the exact content and age of the course work, but familiarity with these subjects means they should come easily the second time around. You’re comfortable working as part of a team. You understand the importance of working cooperatively toward a common goal, relying on colleagues, and communicating effectively. However, you may feel driven to become the leader of that team. 不过据我所知很多学医的本科学心理学之类好拿高GPA的，护士本科在美国挺难读，也比较难拿高GPA，并不是准备学医最好本科选择。医生和NP区别类似RN和LPN，想开处方还是去医学院吧，读护理博士那些其实也能把医学院读下来，看我朋友就很后悔当年没有去读医学院而是读了NP，干的活差不多，待遇差太远。不过不开处方的话，护士专业在美国有很多选择，机会很多。
黑字白字肯定都需要政治正确性，你能查查Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis这么多年录了几个本科是护理学院毕业的？
🔥 最新回帖
你像极了村里拍着大腿骂人的大嫂。 娱乐效果 加5分。
Vast differences in training Not all nurse practitioners get “a sound, thorough, in-person education,” said Teresa Camp-Rogers, MD, a staff emergency physician at South Central Regional Medical Center in Laurel, Mississippi. “Some NPs receive subpar training. There are NP schools with 100% acceptance rates. Some NP schools have open-book exams. A handful of NP schools, called direct-entry NP schools, will accept applicants even without a nursing degree. Some programs can be completed in as little as 18 months.” Given the duration and lack of rigor in this nurse-practitioner training, “it is not surprising that it is common to see missed diagnoses, incorrectly written prescriptions, and delays in care among patients cared for by NPs,” said Dr. Camp-Rogers, an AMA member who is associate editor of the Journal of the Mississippi State Medical Association. As noted in an AMA explainer (PDF), physician training is comprehensive and requires studying all aspects of the human condition—biological, chemical, pharmacological and behavioral—in the classroom, laboratory and through direct patient care. “We don’t just learn one quick fact about a disease and its most common presentation,” Dr. Camp-Rogers said. “In order to keep patients safe, we learn every single facet of a disease and the less common presentations.”
In addition, nurse practitioners may have limited hands-on training, with 60% of nurse-practitioner programs offered completely or partially online, the AMA explainer says. Critically, nurse-practitioner training—in stark contrast to physician education and training—has virtually no standardization for obtaining practical experience in patient care. The type of patient care experiences nurse practitioners get will vary widely from student to student, and the breadth and depth of clinical experience is not guaranteed at the individual lev
J Prof Nurs
. 2017 Jul-Aug;33(4):271-275. doi: 10.1016/j.profnurs.2017.01.002. Epub 2017 Jan 5. Nurse practitioner malpractice data: Informing nursing education Casey Fryer Sweeney 1, Anna LeMahieu 2, George E Fryer 3 ...... Methods: Using National Practitioner Data Bank public use data, years 1990 to 2014, NP malpractice claims were classified by event type, patient outcome, setting, and number of practitioners involved. Results: The greatest proportion of malpractice claims involving nurse practitioners were diagnosis related (41.46%) and treatment related (30.79%). Severe patient outcomes most often occurred in the outpatient setting. Nurse practitioners were independently responsible for the event in the majority of the analyzed claims. Conclusion: Moving forward, nurse practitioner malpractice data should be continuously analyzed and used to inform the development of nurse practitioner education standards and graduate program curriculum to address areas of clinical weakness and improve quality of care and patient safety.
看到人家说孩子打算做什么，你就开始攻击人显摆低素质，你以为你是高素质？还酸溜溜的来一句你孩子上了吗？我就觉得你这人很奇怪，很大可能性就是孩子有可能是个学渣，看到别的孩子有志向就很不舒服，不然你怎么会像被踩了尾巴一样，一蹦三丈高啊 我通篇都没看不上护士或者NP，只是不觉得他们比别的专业更容易申请医学院而已，难道这就是偏激？ 你再喜欢pua人，也改变不了你家的智商基因，我家孩子有我这样的妈妈，至少是个智商高的孩子，所以，少pua人，少攻击人，看到人家比你强的时候要接受人和人的智商是不一样的现实。 你要觉得我说你不舒服，那都是你先攻击我和我孩子，自找的。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
这也是我觉得分裂的地方。板上一方面觉得通过AI， 自己都可以治百病，一方面又觉得NP什么都不行，只有医生才可以真正的看病。
资本凌驾于行会之上，控制行会牟利。
突破，和开创新的医疗技术和手段，那是MD，PHD的工作，就是那种大型的医学院的附属医院的医生。这些人每天就看三到五个病人，掌握了自己所在领域的话语权，发文章，制定治疗的Protocol就是他们的工作。这些医生工资不一定高，但是那些社区医院的医生往往会请他们去讲座，一次五千美金。如果只是想赚钱，社区医院的医生靠多看病人能多赚钱，或者雇佣NP，剥削剩余价值赚钱，其实都不如收租赚钱。
说句实话，做医生都没有搞房子赚钱。华人区一个老医生，70 年代来得美国，做骨科医生。买了很多房子，他老婆就做包租婆。结果几十年下来，他老婆比他有钱，看病赚钱那儿有收租赚钱。
嗯， 感觉比较精辟。 各种陈规陋习， 好多人抱着不放， 自我感觉棒极了。
是啊，更烂了. 以前庸医里碰运气，现在连庸医也没了，直接赤脚医生，蒙古大夫上场.
每次看医生前我自己先查查默克诊疗手册, 根据症状特征排查，找到原因, 再看看可行的常规的治疗方案。
去了诊所，看着家庭医生重复我已经做过的，问着我已经准备好答案的各种问题，电脑上敲病历，开出我期待的检查单and/or处方😂
家庭医生解决不了的，开子refer我去看专科医生specialist，每年开单子给我做常规检查，that’s all.
世界各地富豪也是可怜，都跑来美国找蒙古大夫，都没有你们大聪明
当然可以。我的同行里就有从Nurse干起，后来当药剂师，后来又转医生。当然人家是老美，一直不差钱，就是喜欢。现在在医院part time. 在外面开课讲怎么考board. 😂
你确定你真的了解这些制定治疗的医生的收入和他们有时间去给社区医院的医生讲座？感觉真的就是拍了一下脑袋就开始打字了啊
多谢
世界各地富豪来美国看np?
美华好可怜，NP给看病，还要找出一堆的理由，是自我麻醉么？
好比娶不上良家闺女当老婆，就找个窑姐说技术好！
要是国内找个护士给你看病，哪怕是几十年的护士长，你还不把医院闹个底朝天！
美华到了美国咋就这么老实了
估计她觉得自己和世界富豪享受同等医疗待遇，老骄傲了🤣
哪轮的到np，必须庸医和蒙古大夫啊，谁让他们都不来华人呢，上当活该啊 我可没把自己当富豪，毕竟我看过大聪明的提点。
你寻找自己的优越感吧，上呼吸感染，virus， 又是输液又是静脉抗生素的。 你如果懂NP 和一般临床护士的区别就不这样说话了，这边的几十年的护士长也不能看病的。
据我的理解是可以的。我有一朋友国内学习音乐的，来这边是先学习他们的要求的核心课，化学，生物，物理，数学，数学统计， 然后考MCAT， 就申请了医学院。个人感觉护士和NP 申请更有优势，毕竟有临床经验啊，但是很多人工作了，都不愿意再继续了。护士掉一层皮，再去medical school 掉一层皮，还不如本科学习其他的，轻松一点，特别是已经是NP了，各种时间和金钱已经搭进去了，再去学MD，好像更不划算了吧。
谁说护士和NP申请更有优势？大家又不是不知道学护士和NP的人都是啥水平的学生
问题是新出来的医生很多不是有资格雇np剥削np的，而是和np一样等着被雇佣的一份子而已。你要是已经成名的专家当然无所谓
你们这样有意思吗？ 很多名校护士专业是比cs录取率还低的存在，只有1%~2%
你这样有意思吗？名校护士专业录取率再低，申请的学生都不是高中最好的那批学生，最好的那批高中生不会去学护士 实际情况就是医学院不爱招护士或者NP转学医的人
护士和NP是啥水平？ 你觉得你家孩子的bio， chemistry 等科目全 A， 护士这些科目也是全A，你家孩子在大医院或者诊所当义工一两年，和护士学习护理专业然后再工作一两年，当时哪个水平更高呢？很多亚裔二代学护士，现在华人家的孩子也有学护士的，他们家的孩子怎么就不行了。就你家的厉害？
华人家孩子学护士的还是少，但是菲律宾家的孩子99.99%都学护士🤣
实际情况就是去医学院申请的人太多了，医学院更愿意要有研究背景的本科专业，不愿意招收在临床搞了几年护士的人，几年护士的临床经验对学医来说毫无意义，低一级的临床经验对高一级的临床经验有何意义？ 和我家比干什么？我家孩子肯定不会去学护士然后学医生这条路
谢楼主。 主要在想如果不确定娃能不能读医学院，先读nurse，如果还行就再继续。也不知行得通不。 我知道有孩子读cs做premed的，打算申请的到医学院就学医，申请不到就cs找工作，可是我觉得cs跟医跨行有点大啊。
https://www.reddit.com/r/Noctor/comments/vd4isx/rn_thinking_about_applying_to_med_school/
这是医学院的一些人的回帖。很多人会觉得这些人是serious 想学医的，会更加考虑他们。
如果一个学cs本科的人能表现得一样serious 想学医的，医学院更愿意要这个cs的 你要相信这个观点，你可以让你孩子先学护士，我孩子是打算MD和PHD一起读，不可能学护士本科
那就是为啥要2nd opinion
但愿你家孩子不跟你一样瞧不起医护，如果他有这种意识被人识破，很难相信能进医学院。
两方面差别好像是蛮大的。看网上的资料，护士申请医生是有一点小优势的，在学校看来，他们不会中途退出，他们是很严肃的申请者，是真的对这行感兴趣的申请者。只是觉得读护士压力不小，然后再读医学院，孩子辛苦了。
我看不上护士吗？我只说了医学院不爱招护士或者np而已，学护士的人不是高中生最好的那一批，你别偷换概念啊 他什么意识被识破？不读护士本科，要读stem的本科以后读phd的想法被识破就不会被医学院要？
来解释一下为什么cs的比护士本科或者NP更容易被医学院录取，因为医学院看重他的stem的能力，这种能力才可能以后不仅仅是做医生，还有潜力做科研，科研是需要大量的stem的知识和能力的，护士或者NP大概率就是做一个普通的医生，而cs专业的人有可能做到医生的这个行业的专家，某一天参与治疗方案的设定都有可能，这也是为什么MIT的理科生如果转学医，霍普金斯医学院就特别愿意要的原因
怎么衡量最好？申请医学院的时候你敢表明你这番和之前发言的言论吗？ 医学院录取可不只看成绩还更看重将来的医德。
第一我不申请医学院，我敢于表明医学院不是很愿意要护士或者np出生的学生，还有一点医学院要更喜欢招护士或者np，那这些人还做啥护士或者NP啊，做医生不更好吗？那那些苦哈哈的读stem的本科生准备读医学院的的md的还愿意读stem吗？直接读护士专业转医生好了，更容易录取 第二你想说除了护士或者np，其他专业的都没医德？
我自己是NP， 所以还是很有发言权的。 其实小毛病NP 和医生看都差不多，因为我们都follow protocols 和guidelines。 疑难杂症都推给专科医生的。 我们做网上急诊，医生NP随机接受进来的病人，病人一个pool， providers一个pool，都不分的。你不知道看你的会是医生还是NP。
对的对的，给人看病，你看了病才有收入。收租就一个成本就好了。很多医生说入错行了
医学院的top 10%才会考虑做科研的，读了md又读phd的，学费都不用出了，八年免费
既然和AI 一样，我家里找AI看就行了，为啥花$300，花时间去找NP看？
医生是陪你从生到死的过程，尤其死亡这部分是需要医生陪伴的，也是医学院培训里很重要的部分，招生的时候也要考察共情能力，这个机器没法取代. 除非大家都成了机器人☺️
AI开不了药啊
您多虑了。 也只有因为成长环境受限，接受能力差，见识狭隘的一部分人才会对护士有这么深的偏见。
去看中国医生好歹都是正经MD，不要去找美国这边NP. 这边很多NP都是护士上个网课就行了. 一大帮子水NP. 😂
别听他们嘴上说，学医都打破头了，很多医二代. 咱们也要把娃送进去. NP，PA 都是非常好的职业.
你太政治不正确了，华人上面护士是仅仅次于cs的专业，哈哈哈哈
NP 那么牛逼，为啥不给个doctor的头衔？
想起来了，我老妈就是看的一个劳模NP，我感觉很水，两年前她升职了，做管理层了，她怎么水了，别的诊所给药一个月后就会抽血检查看药物剂量合适不，她是等六个月再抽血，在这六个月里面吃药剂量对不对，她不管，六个月后见分晓，吃错剂量也必须吃六个月再查血再调整剂量，又是六个月等待看新给的剂量合适不。 她唯一的好处就是啥都不管不检查，我老妈就喜欢，她就不喜欢动不动给检查这检查那，所以我是捏着鼻子带我妈去看她
我觉得是这样的，就是有一批人喜欢吹护士比医生厉害，马上来一批人反对，觉得护士没那么牛逼，学习不是很好的才学护士
NP99%都是大混子。 屁都不懂。 唯一能做的就是替你查google， 当然美国医生也差不多。 美国现在降级医疗，美华还高兴的不要不要的。 也是绝了！
嗯，我带我妈看病多了，见过NP，家庭医生，专科医生，感觉专科医生可以，其他的就真不好说了
你没有读懂好不好？ 因为NP training的目的和目标就是看病，所以它的科目设计可能和医学院学生不同。比如，NP 不会有做手术那一方面的training，NP缝针的training也几乎是零，而且如果要看重症监护室的病的话，那么一般的FNP 还要继续再读一年训练，一般的NP 不training重症监护室的东西。然而医生的training，相对来说要广一些，但是同一个topic的training，两者是一样的，不会说NP比医生学得浅。 同样的，去读NP的人目的是很简单的，就是临床看病，所以他们不可能成为什么大师和专家，因为他们不会有学医的人的机会和动机。学的人和教的机构的目的都是应用为上，所以不会出大师，并不是因为他们的智商让他们不是大师。 的确，有很聪明的划时代的医生，他们的高度是NP永远达不到的，也是很多医生达不到的，医学院给了他们土壤，但是大多数人医生都只是简单的看病的。 就好比藤校，很多藤校的设定，是要培养时代和行业的领先者，很多藤校给了这些学子这样的土壤，而一般的州大的目标就是适应这个行业的要求，好就业。但是，大多数藤校出来的人，也就是达到了适应这个行业的要求的水平，或者只有这个目标。 医学院招生考虑啥，我不懂。但我知道你的标准肯定不是医学院的标准。如你所述，聪明的确很重要，但是大多数人的智商都没有达到可以与众不同让招生官刮目相看的程度。
既然NP能看病，为啥不给doctor 的头衔？
为啥工资只有doctor的25-30%？
现在美国医疗降级，拿条哈士奇当只狼糊弄谁呢？
少来我没读懂，没有你说的医学院更喜欢招收本科是护士专业的人，护士的临床经验对于医生来说毫无意义，其他专业的人做医院的志愿者好几年也足够能表达他们想学医的愿望，我儿子到了16岁就开始在医院做志愿者了，上了大学还会继续做
全美排前几名的医学院Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis 是这样说护士背景学医的 postbaccpremed.wustl.edu/news/changing-your-career-nursing-medicine#:~:text=Nurses%20can%20make%20terrific%20candidates,not%20you%20like%20patient%20care. Nurses can make terrific candidates for medical school. If you''''re working as a nurse or completing a nursing degree, you already have several strong advantages in preparing for a transition to medicine. You don’t have to wonder whether or not you like patient care. You’ve already invested many hours at the bedside, and you know that patients can be grateful or resentful, reasonable or non-compliant. You''''ve learned that a career in health care is rewarding to you, regardless of these challenges. You have a depth of clinical experience that is virtually impossible for traditional medical school applicants to acquire. This can be one of the largest challenges for many pre-med students. As a nurse, you not only have valuable personal experience caring for patients, but you also have a network of professional contacts to call on if you want to shadow specialties you’re not as familiar with. You’ve got a head start academically. As part of your nursing preparation, you took courses in anatomy, physiology, microbiology, and chemistry. It’s likely that you’ll have to repeat some of these courses, depending on the exact content and age of the course work, but familiarity with these subjects means they should come easily the second time around. You’re comfortable working as part of a team. You understand the importance of working cooperatively toward a common goal, relying on colleagues, and communicating effectively. However, you may feel driven to become the leader of that team. 不过据我所知很多学医的本科学心理学之类好拿高GPA的，护士本科在美国挺难读，也比较难拿高GPA，并不是准备学医最好本科选择。医生和NP区别类似RN和LPN，想开处方还是去医学院吧，读护理博士那些其实也能把医学院读下来，看我朋友就很后悔当年没有去读医学院而是读了NP，干的活差不多，待遇差太远。不过不开处方的话，护士专业在美国有很多选择，机会很多。
你这个人真的是自己立靶打靶啊。你开始说中国十几年的护士长也不能看病，我和你解释这边的临床的护士，不管多少经验也是不能看病的。NP 是护士工作后然后再training，然后考证，然后才能看病的，很多州让护士独立看病的，也必须做类似的住院医的几千个小时的training，才能独立上岗的，有的州，是必须在医生的带领下才能行医的。 我给你解释你临床护士和NP的一些区别。你就马上说我说NP牛逼了。我啥时候说NP牛逼了。 另外，不给DR头衔，即使是PHD也不给DR的头衔，是医生行业不允许任何不是 licensed Physician 用 DR. 你一个学校的博士DR，跑到医院也不给doctor头衔啊。 你平时生活中也是这样胡搅蛮缠吗，希望只是讨厌看不起NP，你才这样。
好吧，你读懂了我意思，我词不达意，祝你好运，祝你儿子好运。
这些原因看着没有那么独特啊，其他专业的人如果进了医学院后，护士的这些优势都没了，其他专业的人还有自己独特的优势，而且大家都知道，最聪明的人不会本科学护士专业，我看我周围学护士的华人小孩基本都是学习不是很好的，部分就是学渣，不过学渣就打算去college学一个护士专业 不赞成你说的医生和NP区别类似RN和LPN，RN和LPN收入差距就没医生和护士那么大，护士的资格考试比医生容易n倍，我一个朋友说她都没准备，老公去了德州，德州还属于有名的RN资格考试难的州，她去德州考，75个题目后系统就关闭了，不久就通知她过了
医生等于科学家工程师，护士就是技工。脑子最好的高中大学阶段，智商高的医生好好念书了，智商低的护士划水了，以后一辈子也处于俩层次
嗯，医生整体的book smart肯定比护士高了几个level，当然不排除有护士不错，最后可以去读医学院
按照你们的标准，高中周围成绩好的，都没有念医学院啊，都是打破脑子学CS，还有其他的执着的孩子学工程或商业的。成绩不好的学医，家庭条件不好的学护士，都是角边料啊。
医学院不招护士申请人，那么多候选人，没必要招护士，不同的培训.
护士和医生培训理念不一样，医学院竞争激烈，太多牛人了，医学院不会招护理学院出来的本科生.
这么多年观察下来，学医的abc都是高中学习成绩最好的那一群学生中的
你不懂啊. 没有职业高低，NP，护士都是好专业. 医学院更想找好苗子培养，护理学院出来已经经过培训过了，很多理念已经固定了，医学院不愿意花功夫重新培养了.
还是你会解释
不要想那么多，把成绩搞好了. 主要看学习成绩，然后情商，好身体. 4，5门化学要全部A， 数学，物理，生理全A.先把学习关过了.
黑字白字肯定都需要政治正确性，你能查查Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis这么多年录了几个本科是护理学院毕业的？
我多句嘴，什么叫瞧不起？大家就是分享就医选择，尽量找医生看病避开NP. 大家都是普通人，谁家不是钱多的花不完. 还有护士本科不利于申请医学院，这些都是常识，如果家里有学医娃.
我不是要和你争论，我觉得另外一个id说得很common sense，如果本科护理学院的更容易去医学院，第一个行动的就是亚裔了，你看到亚裔孩子准备读医学院的抢着去读护士本科吗？ 谢谢你的祝福
我也听一个国内医学院毕业在这里考医生执照的人说过护士本科不利于申请医学院 他为了练口语还上了护理学院，后来考过board后，match的时候压根不提护理学院的经历
很多学生做到1600小时以上. 义工小时，clinic hour，research，全部科目A. 还有专业特长，跑马拉松，大学校报主编，medical club officer. 这就是申医学生的package. 医学院这么多这样的candidate不挑，非要招护士专业的，因为有临床经验😂😂😂
作为一个医学院毕业的人，再去读护理学院，肯定是扣分的，因为他这说明他医学院毕业的能力不够支持他做医生，他必须向下走，这样的医生水平有多差， 但是护理是本科，继续读研读博，向上申请医学院，就没有这个问题。
请具体举例哪些现代国家不需要做住院医可以直接行医 用这点就知道你有没有当过医生了
对啊，你这说得很有道理，护士的那点临床经验等其他学生去了医学院就没有任何优势了，其他的申请者很多都是学霸
最后真正进入医学院，都是高中里大学霸.
他就是为了练口语，早期来的老中英语口语是很差的