U.S. More U.S. school districts are shifting to a 4-day week. Here's why. BY EMILY MAE CZACHORAUGUST 7, 2023 / 1:35 PM / CBS NEWS
When the school bell rings in Independence, Missouri, this year, 14,000 students are trying something new: a four-day week, with Mondays off. And they're not alone. As kids head back to school this year, a growing number will be returning to a four-day school week. Hundreds of districts across the country have moved to adopt the alternative weekly schedule in recent years. CBS News correspondent Bradley Blackburn looked at why some larger school districts are now taking this step — and what it means for teachers, students and families. Dale Herl, superintendent of the Independence School District, and his staff have spent months planning for this year's significant calendar change. His district is the largest in the state to move to a four-day schedule. To comply with state requirements for instructional time, which determines how school calendars are structured, the district will add 35 extra minutes onto each day. "So the instructional minutes will be almost exactly the same," Herl explained. For parents who need childcare on Mondays, the district will offer it for $30 a day — a cost that could strain some families. "If they weren't using any care, well, certainly that could be a potential cost that they otherwise would not have," the superintendent said. Nearly 900 school districts in the United States currently use a four-day weekly academic schedule. That number rose from 650 districts in 2020 to 876 districts, across 26 states, in 2023. While smaller, rural districts have been more likely to favor the schedule, larger districts are now shortening their school weeks in an effort to recruit and retain teachers. It's a selling point in an era when schools are facing a national teacher shortage. "The number of teaching applications that we've received have gone up more than four-fold," Herl said. Schools in other parts of the country have noticed similar patterns. In Chico, Texas, where the public school district also announced a shift to four-day academic schedules this year, officials said positions that used to receive five applications were suddenly receiving more than 20, CBS News Texas reported in May. Aaron Pallas, a professor at Columbia University's Teachers College, is watching the trend as more schools make the shift. He said "there's not good evidence on the academic impact of the four-day school week right now," and argued there are better ways to tackle a teacher shortage. "The best way is to pay them better," Pallas said, adding that Missouri "ranks basically last" or "next to last in terms of teacher salaries." In Independence, some parents have had concerns about the impact of a shorter week. But as teacher retention becomes an issue that more districts are facing, Herl hopes the scheduling shift will pave the way for broader conversation. "I think this really needs to lead to a bigger discussion nationwide about, you know, what we are going to do to support the teaching profession," he said. In an effort to attract teachers in rural areas, Missouri saw district-wide shifts from five-day to four-day school weeks surge ahead of the 2022 academic year, with roughly 25% of schools moving to the new schedule, according to an online brief by the National Conference of State Legislatures. When the brief was last updated in June, the Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education reported that 144 school districts statewide were operating on a four-day schedule.
"The number of teaching applications that we've received have gone up more than four-fold," Herl said. Schools in other parts of the country have noticed similar patterns. In Chico, Texas, where the public school district also announced a shift to four-day academic schedules this year, officials said positions that used to receive five applications were suddenly receiving more than 20, CBS News Texas reported in May. 这段话明明是说有很多人在申请教师职位啊,有些学区收到的申请数量甚至是之前的四倍,之前一个职5份申请,现在能收到20份,因为教师短缺而变成上学四天的结论哪来的?
"The number of teaching applications that we've received have gone up more than four-fold," Herl said. Schools in other parts of the country have noticed similar patterns. In Chico, Texas, where the public school district also announced a shift to four-day academic schedules this year, officials said positions that used to receive five applications were suddenly receiving more than 20, CBS News Texas reported in May. 这段话明明是说有很多人在申请教师职位啊,有些学区收到的申请数量甚至是之前的四倍,之前一个职5份申请,现在能收到20份,因为教师短缺而变成上学四天的结论哪来的? 远翔 发表于 2023-08-07 23:59
"The number of teaching applications that we've received have gone up more than four-fold," Herl said. Schools in other parts of the country have noticed similar patterns. In Chico, Texas, where the public school district also announced a shift to four-day academic schedules this year, officials said positions that used to receive five applications were suddenly receiving more than 20, CBS News Texas reported in May. 这段话明明是说有很多人在申请教师职位啊,有些学区收到的申请数量甚至是之前的四倍,之前一个职5份申请,现在能收到20份,因为教师短缺而变成上学四天的结论哪来的? 远翔 发表于 2023-08-07 23:59
"The number of teaching applications that we've received have gone up more than four-fold," Herl said. Schools in other parts of the country have noticed similar patterns. In Chico, Texas, where the public school district also announced a shift to four-day academic schedules this year, officials said positions that used to receive five applications were suddenly receiving more than 20, CBS News Texas reported in May. 这段话明明是说有很多人在申请教师职位啊,有些学区收到的申请数量甚至是之前的四倍,之前一个职5份申请,现在能收到20份,因为教师短缺而变成上学四天的结论哪来的? 远翔 发表于 2023-08-07 23:59
教师短缺和每周多休息一天到底有什么关系呢?如果说把有些课砍掉了我还可以理解。再说美国的教师居然能短缺我表示怀疑,我认识的所有人几乎家里一定是有当老师的人的,妈妈,老婆,siblings。。。。我都吃惊美国有这么多老师。 如果我理解正确的话,你们那里改成4 day week根本没有事先通知家长?你们那里的家长都认可这种安排? Again,follow the money吧,改成4天谁得到最多的利益呢?
U.S. More U.S. school districts are shifting to a 4-day week. Here's why. BY EMILY MAE CZACHOR AUGUST 7, 2023 / 1:35 PM / CBS NEWS
When the school bell rings in Independence, Missouri, this year, 14,000 students are trying something new: a four-day week, with Mondays off. And they're not alone. As kids head back to school this year, a growing number will be returning to a four-day school week. Hundreds of districts across the country have moved to adopt the alternative weekly schedule in recent years. CBS News correspondent Bradley Blackburn looked at why some larger school districts are now taking this step — and what it means for teachers, students and families. Dale Herl, superintendent of the Independence School District, and his staff have spent months planning for this year's significant calendar change. His district is the largest in the state to move to a four-day schedule. To comply with state requirements for instructional time, which determines how school calendars are structured, the district will add 35 extra minutes onto each day. "So the instructional minutes will be almost exactly the same," Herl explained. For parents who need childcare on Mondays, the district will offer it for $30 a day — a cost that could strain some families. "If they weren't using any care, well, certainly that could be a potential cost that they otherwise would not have," the superintendent said. Nearly 900 school districts in the United States currently use a four-day weekly academic schedule. That number rose from 650 districts in 2020 to 876 districts, across 26 states, in 2023. While smaller, rural districts have been more likely to favor the schedule, larger districts are now shortening their school weeks in an effort to recruit and retain teachers. It's a selling point in an era when schools are facing a national teacher shortage. "The number of teaching applications that we've received have gone up more than four-fold," Herl said. Schools in other parts of the country have noticed similar patterns. In Chico, Texas, where the public school district also announced a shift to four-day academic schedules this year, officials said positions that used to receive five applications were suddenly receiving more than 20, CBS News Texas reported in May. Aaron Pallas, a professor at Columbia University's Teachers College, is watching the trend as more schools make the shift. He said "there's not good evidence on the academic impact of the four-day school week right now," and argued there are better ways to tackle a teacher shortage. "The best way is to pay them better," Pallas said, adding that Missouri "ranks basically last" or "next to last in terms of teacher salaries." In Independence, some parents have had concerns about the impact of a shorter week. But as teacher retention becomes an issue that more districts are facing, Herl hopes the scheduling shift will pave the way for broader conversation. "I think this really needs to lead to a bigger discussion nationwide about, you know, what we are going to do to support the teaching profession," he said. In an effort to attract teachers in rural areas, Missouri saw district-wide shifts from five-day to four-day school weeks surge ahead of the 2022 academic year, with roughly 25% of schools moving to the new schedule, according to an online brief by the National Conference of State Legislatures. When the brief was last updated in June, the Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education reported that 144 school districts statewide were operating on a four-day schedule.
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我们隔壁的isd今年秋季开学就实行一周四天了,据说是为了能招到老师,学区和家长投票决定的。 那个isd算是很远的大农村,但后来开发商造了很多新社区,陆续有家庭搬过去住。以前那里房价便宜,单职工还能负担,疫情后房价飙升加上高利率,在那里买房单职工的收入就非常吃力。不知道隔壁isd以后会不会改变政策,毕竟那里还有很多新房在造。。。
美国最缺的就是中国人,各行各业!
我们这一个游泳课挤破头都报不上,实际上国内随便弄几个游泳教练过来都是碾压。
你们哪个州啊?学校校董居然拿那么高的工资 我们这边校董没工资的
🛋️ 沙发板凳
害怕了吧?颤抖了吧?
这段话明明是说有很多人在申请教师职位啊,有些学区收到的申请数量甚至是之前的四倍,之前一个职5份申请,现在能收到20份,因为教师短缺而变成上学四天的结论哪来的?
因为把别的上五天学区的老师挖过来了
不上课那天,家长和孩子怎么办?
据我所知的某个改四天的学区。一是每天的时间会增加45-60分钟,二是老师第五天还是要上班,备课回邮件等等。相当于减少老师一定的课堂时间和加班时间。
哪个州啊?
强烈同意这个! 弄个正经的寒假!
美国真的是要走下坡路啊,连教育这么重要的事竟然都不做了,军事支出年年增长。
想起有个老美网上吐槽美国教育,说以后看医生只看有外国口音的医生。
孩子上四天学,家长上五天班,那怎么办? 那以后周五大孩子们都出来行事了,一帮子青少年无所事事不闹事才怪。
确实是。我们这边的新闻就是这么说的,教师短缺。我们这边有两个区开学第二个月就开始实施了。多出的那一天,家长需要支付以前一半的课后班的费用。
说明property tax不够。选民不愿意付钱。也说明选民愿意接受4天上课,不愿意涨tax.
如果国家间比较,其他国家都有很多钱支持初等教育,只有美国例外,基本都是学区自己支持
看上下文好不好,四天工作制是作为刺激老师留任的条件之一,由于改了四天,空缺的教职才收到了比以往多四倍的申请,就是把其它学区的老师挖过来了。 美国全国大多数地区都是短缺老师的,现在小学还是英文老师教数学,现在已经商量老师输入外劳,随便培训上岗几个礼拜就去上课了,LOL。
教师短缺和每周多休息一天到底有什么关系呢?如果说把有些课砍掉了我还可以理解。再说美国的教师居然能短缺我表示怀疑,我认识的所有人几乎家里一定是有当老师的人的,妈妈,老婆,siblings。。。。我都吃惊美国有这么多老师。
如果我理解正确的话,你们那里改成4 day week根本没有事先通知家长?你们那里的家长都认可这种安排?
Again,follow the money吧,改成4天谁得到最多的利益呢?
如果大规模实行,4天工作制或者4天onsite一天hybrid很可能是常态。
这些孩子将来都是潜在的劳动力和纳税人。 美国的高尖精人才从来不是问题,缺的是蓝领,有技术的蓝领。
花大钱去support 一大堆没必要的. 最重要的基础教育确每年cut. 这些政客太没良心和远见了. 不培养能干活的韭菜你割谁去啊.
哪个州啊?太恐怖了.搬家
和远见没有关系,都是利益。Teachers union是Democrat最大的doner之一,至于教育嘛,有钱有权的人的孩子从来不上公立
我们这儿本来就是25/28 人/ class 了. 我们school还是6/4/7. 同样地税我朋友在别的地方房价是我们2x,学区 9/9/10.
25/28很小意思了,去年我们学校也是这个class size,今年全部变成30-33,呵呵,gift班还能学点东西,普通班的话学个啥啊。教育经费继续削减下去就是这样了。我们已经有音乐老师教reading intervention,信息老师教美国历史和科学了。
改四天要家长投票的,能通过的学区,就是绝大多数的家长投赞成票。
看报道才知道其中的原因, 有接送, 有孩子周五打工方便, 减少任意旷课率(比如很多学区的旷课率本来就20%+了,四天反而能让很多孩子commit四天都能去学校) , 有不burn out 孩子,练体育, 也有为了学区能够留住老师。 不能拿中上产思维来想美国远郊的学区的事。
那我就理解了,不要说差区了,很多好区的家长都希望孩子放假越长越好,因为轻松:)
随便培训一下就上岗,请问是哪里?别张口就来啊
南部几个州,老师薪水不高,工会力量也不强大的。我们州的教育局已经这样做了,配套的教师证叫紧急教师证也出来了,就是为了输入东南亚外劳的。东南亚人只能去香港🇭🇰当家佣,却能来美国🇺🇸当老师了。
是的,好在可以以脚投票
太可怕了,一个国家的教育体现了这个国家的未来,不敢想
???啥逻辑?我也算好区的,放假越长不是得在家呆着或者我出去接送camp吗,怎么轻松了。
他们有pension但没有social security,这social security能拿3000多的也不用羡慕他们的pension,6,7万能挤多少存401k?估计拉满的很少,而且还没有公司给match
说到social security不靠谱可能破产的,social security受影响人数这么多,各种政府学区pension破产后才轮得到social security
sub一般就是坐那儿babysit大家自由活动,没有教课的. 正常老师也没有连续教课一小时的, 能教一会儿就不错了, 经常就是安排个activity自己一整节课都歇着.
所以,钱到底有没有,差多少,招不到人到底问题在哪里,居民想要调查也是有办法的。选board memeber的时候花点心思,懂的人上去,能有力监管。
不过school choice能解决大部分问题。所谓招不到老师,如果是学生不够,funding不够,其实应该合并。但是要政府去做,估计不可能。家长有了school choice,自然有竞争力的学校就会收到更多学生,没有竞争力的会被淘汰。学校工会是反对school choice最激烈的工会。什么原因,家长可以细想想。
很多地方老师工资才3-4万。老师教书好不好,跟拿到多少工资真的成正比?教室工会真的是为了提高教学质量存在的组织?
我看教室罢工最频繁的地区,教育质量还真不高。但是看看她们工资,比比许多地方真高出不少。我赞同给老师加工资。但是必须保证教师队伍有着竞争机制。如果是给教师工会送钱,那就谢谢了,好走不送。
sub确实就是看孩子的,不教课,作业都是科任老师请假前留下的。至于课堂上的老师就真是胡扯了,你以为美国熊孩子会让老师你歇着,如果你的课堂管理技术差点,课都上不了,布置点作业任务啥的,还得不停在旁指导答疑。老师那么好混的话就不会有那么多年轻老师3年都熬不到就走人了,去试试在来吹吧。
你说加州,纽约州有可能。全美国,现在看not so fast。
真的吗?私立学校有上4天课的吗?
这也太扯了吧
高中学历倒没什么。尤其教小学生,哪里需要大学学历。以前我的老师也都是中专毕业的。只要通过教师培训,有教师资格证,教个小学生,初中生都没问题的。
哪怕高中生,高中老师都是专科教,只要自己教的那门课拿手。而且不搞些woke的东西。高中毕业有什么关系。
我倒更喜欢高中毕业。那些所谓大学毕业的老师,真的能力更好吗?不见得吧。
合并这个想法,地头蛇们都不同意。 不光学校,其实很多小镇都该合并,我们镇开到旁边一个镇,连10分钟都用不到,还分别养着自己的一队警察和EMS.
哈哈,很多家庭孩子是不上camp更不学习的,放假不用接送,不用pack lunch,不用检查作业,没有kids activities。。。对很多家庭是轻松极了:)对我们呢,summer更忙
你家娃上学天天每节课老师都歇着吗?幼儿园也不能这样啊。其实最l不喜欢自己娃的学校那可以去私立。家长是顾客。学校和家长的dynamics会和公立的很不同。但是除非是去真好的(翻译:很难考进去),否则也就是孩子过得舒服些,学校懂得如何把家长摆平。毕竟收钱得办事。具体学习那些,私校不一定就自动会更好。
能考上大学上完大学说明高中课起码学好了。高中毕业有可能一路都没学懂,混上来的。现在有几个好学生会不上大学的?
哪个州?
据我所知没有,怎么说呢,我周围很多家长(好公立或者私立)到放暑假前都说自己burned out了,孩子也burned out了,我就笑,都干嘛了就burn out了:)
他们在培养奴隶,要的就是这个
有钱人才能送孩子去私立啥的,成白领金领或者资本家
这就是精致利己主义。很多人爱钱爱到极致,钻钱眼里了,恨不得不给牛吃草就挤奶。
我们这儿是16-18个
公司里混的人也很多呀,普通大学里教授也混的多呀,3-4万工资你还指望老师们能干啥?美国是资本主义又不是高福利国家,嫌弃公立老师不好就交学费上私立,就像读大学,越好的大学学费就越贵里面混的教授就更少。
那么多工作都可以wfh. 老师的工作别说wfh, 就是晚到二十分钟都是大事。工资低,工作忙,还得对付顽童,家长,校长各种人。有其他机会做别的,没人要当老师了啊。大学里教育系本来就是成绩最差的学生读的。为什么啊。这工作要是那么好,为什么没看见周围小中大学学这个的。
看看关于教师工资这几个帖子里的著名川粉GOP粉ID就知道了,教育系统一直是他们的眼中钉肉中刺。
他们对美国未来的诉求就是,左手拿枪,右手拿圣经,上午礼拜,下午抢钱。
什么意思,所以的全国缺老师,其实只是全国的烂学区缺老师而已吗? 好学区一点不缺吗?还是好学区宁愿缺空着位置,也不雇佣新老师的?
你去看看大学的education有多水就知道了。有GED毕业证就行啊。美国真想上大学,高中毕业都能上的。州大,州大不行就community转州大。
所以GED毕业就行。大学根本不见得加分。每个州对老师的要求不同。只要有专业课考核,大学毕业,高中毕业其实没区别。一个老师的能力还真不是大学毕业证能说明问题的。而且,好多大学毕业的老师,受了woke的思潮,上课不好好上,夹带各种私人想法的也不少。
反正我小时候老师师范中专毕业的。好的不得了呢。比现如今国内大学毕业的师范学生都要好。因为有经验。
其实教师这个行业应该是老教师带新教师,有点学徒制的工作。自从用大学来培养所谓教师人才。只看到老师的学历越来越高,但是教学质量不但没有高,反而是在往下滑。
是时候抛开学历的迷信了。
好学区好学校里面教好学生的老师位置一般新手不用想的。大概率从烂学校做起。好高中AP课老师都是有十几年经验以上的,而且得得到被送去培训的机会才能上岗。对老师来说是一个大promotion。因为从此以后就只需要教好学生了。省力太多了。老中觉得我会做数学题,AP太简单。我去教就是小菜一碟。其实很难做到。
备课 备一年就够了
所以说啊。到底5天上学好,还是4天,看看私立学校就知道啦。
我是想不通的。不是说公立学校老师工资比私立高吗?如果私立学校找得到老师,为什么公立学校找不到?我是不太相信这些话的。
我只说我看到的,我们这woke superintendent在的时候,各种抱怨没钱,还要砍GT。她走了以后,就再也听不到钱不够的说法了。反而一直造新的学校。
确实,covid期间有一阵子老师紧缺。主要有一批老教师突然就不来上班了。一时之间青黄不接。现在好起来了。没有这个问题了。
所以,我看很多说法都是借口。做家长的还是要参与学区,给出自己的意见。积极参加选举,选那些至少看起来care教育的人去board。
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这话说的,怎么作为学区家长没资格监督老师了?教师工会这种拿着纳税人的钱,还要跟纳税人作对,不好好搞教育的机构,为什么要我们送钱。
作为家长我绝对有权力监督学区,监督superintendent。
公司里摸鱼,有老板管。superintendent摸鱼就是小区的所有公民管。做的不好就fire。
你说嫌弃公立去私立。那么不想当老师可以辞职。不想好好教书就不要教。我才不信招不到老师呢。鬼才信。就录用高中毕业生又如何?大学生不得了了?不好好教书,博士生都没用!
公立招的老师得有州州里的教师执照。私立想招谁招谁。比如教会里当过pastor的教英语历史都合适。很可能是个有passion 的好老师。摄影画画好的可以当艺术老师。公立就不能要他们。
没错!!暑假那么热 应该缩短😂
不知道你那里gift班如何了,我这里因为有家长抗议1考试入学不合理,gift班已经不需要考了。
re这个。资本主义社会就是这样吧
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有很多老师只愿意教课,不想参与政治,所以只做part time,但学校不愿意雇佣part time老师,他们情愿雇佣full time老师,因为要求老师参与学校各种会议和政策培训。找不到老师要么就取消课程,或者变为四天制。我孩子学校就是这样,跟家长说找不到西班牙语老师就取消西班牙课,其实有part time西班牙老师愿意来教课的。很可悲。
我也认识一些老师。其实大多数老师最大的complain是校长。都是各种无能校长让老师工作难上加难。绝大多数老师既然选择老师,都是对教学有热情,喜欢跟学生打交道,也不怕跟家长打交道的。但是遇到Sb校长就很郁闷很郁闷。
我家老大原来的高中校长就是其一。老师遇到不好的学生产生矛盾,永远的站渣学生。哪怕这个学生违反学校校规,影响其他同学也一样。这种woke校长就是老师最大的痛。最后好几个老师都转走了。有一个化学老师不当老师了,搞副业,赚的更多。但是私下他跟学生说,要不是这个校长,他不介意继续当老师。因为他喜欢跟学生一起做实验。
所以,所谓帮老师说话的人,根本不了解许多实际情况。作为家长,身处学校之中。也有朋友去做老师的。才能听到第一手资料。
我当然赞成给老师加工资。但是很多教育经费根本不是给老师加工资,而是给教育部,以及superintendent加工资。我们赶走的那个年薪30万,还不住在本地,要求学区报销她每个星期的差旅费(回自己家的油费之类的)。是一个黑人,以为我们不敢赶走她。好在我们学区有劳模,有印度妈妈,才不吃那套woke的东西。赶走以后,学区运行正常,一点问题没有。这个人据说还有博士学位呢。有什么用?
我个人当初还想着去当数学老师。做过一些研究。也觉得应该老师更多工资,更好的福利。但是阻碍的不是钱不够,而是钱分配到了不该去的地方。