什么叫美加站出来0犹豫？美加都是白痴医生，不知道熊孩子的背后都有猪脑爹妈？美加医生也怕被人告。 CK 发表于 2023-06-05 17:22
加拿大不知道，美国有 good samaritan law 保障救人者不承担无谓的法律责任。 加州的法律是这么写的 No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency medical or nonmedical care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission.
是啊,新的CPR也不用嘴对嘴吹，手按压就可 这个护士律师写的最好知道自己州的法律，每个州规定不同 Know the law before acting as Good Samaritan By Nancy J. Brent, MS, JD, RN www.nurse.com/blog/know-the-law-before-acting-as-good-samaritan/ journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/good-samaritan-statutes-are-medical-volunteers-protected/2004-04 physicians and other health care professionals should ask the following questions in order to ascertain potential liability: (1) Is this an emergency situation? (2) Do I have a pre-existing duty to render medical treatment? (3) Will I receive remuneration for my services? (3) Will my services be provided in "good faith"? (4) What protections do the applicable state statutes provide? In general, it appears that health care professionals who render voluntary services will be protected by Good Samaritan legislation.12 The determining factors will most likely be whether the health care provider "upheld the spirit of the law by rendering emergency care voluntarily and in good faith."5 nowinsurance.com/blog/nurses-and-the-good-samaritan-law/ Good Samaritan laws vary from state to state, but common features include: Consent: A person must consent to receiving a rescuer’s help. Implied consent: If the person is unconscious or incapable of making decisions on their own behalf, rescuers may act as if consent has been given. Reasonable level of care: If a rescuer believes an action should be taken that is outside their scope of practice (such as emergency surgery), they should not perform that action. Compensation: Services provided by a rescuer must be completely voluntary. The good Samaritan may not require or accept compensation. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK542176/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20these%20laws%20do,as%20a%20reasonably%20prudent%20person. Good Samaritan Laws - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf (nih.gov) All 50 states and the District of Columbia have a good Samaritan law, in addition to Federal laws for specific circumstances. Many good Samaritan laws were initially written to protect physicians from liability when rendering care outside their usual clinical setting. The details of good Samaritan laws vary by jurisdiction, including who is protected (physicians, emergency medical technicians, and other first responders) from liability and under what circumstances. In general, these laws do not protect medical personnel from liability if acting in the course of their usual profession. Good Samaritan laws give liability protection against "ordinary negligence." Ordinary negligence is the failure to act as a reasonably prudent person. It is the failure to exercise such care as the great mass of humanity ordinarily applies under the same or similar circumstances.
按美国的法律“Reasonable level of care: If a rescuer believes an action should be taken that is outside their scope of practice (such as emergency surgery), they should not perform that action.” 所以下铺中国医生也没做错什么，高处摔下来可能也不能随意搬动 nowinsurance.com/blog/nurses-and-the-good-samaritan-law/ Good Samaritan laws vary from state to state, but common features include: Consent: A person must consent to receiving a rescuer’s help. Implied consent: If the person is unconscious or incapable of making decisions on their own behalf, rescuers may act as if consent has been given. Reasonable level of care: If a rescuer believes an action should be taken that is outside their scope of practice (such as emergency surgery), they should not perform that action. Compensation: Services provided by a rescuer must be completely voluntary. The good Samaritan may not require or accept compensation.
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反正我当时也没想什么补差价的事，就是让他去下铺。但的确知道价格不一样。
如果是三十年前的事情，那我觉得没人会想到补差价的事。
什么英雄，只是做个人而不是一群冷血的围观者罢了。
这么多人就这样看着一个孩子错过救援的黄金时间。
没人不敢救，有人也不敢救。出了国你就敢救了吗？
30年前，那时候反正年轻，爬上铺方便，我是看出那位老伯有点吃惊我主动说：“您住下铺吧” 他吃惊的眼神后说了谢谢，没提过补差价的事。我就爬到上铺没下来过，上去后是感觉上铺有点小，难受。主要当时我坐在下铺，他也坐下来，我看老伯鬓角白了，想到父亲就说让他住下铺。
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加拿大不知道，美国有 good samaritan law 保障救人者不承担无谓的法律责任。
加州的法律是这么写的
No person who in good faith, and not for compensation, renders emergency medical or nonmedical care at the scene of an emergency shall be liable for any civil damages resulting from any act or omission.
在美国，有医生执照或急救证，成年伤员本人同意或昏迷无法交流，或者这个情况得到孩子监护人同意，施以援手，提供紧急救护，是受法律保护的。
如果中国没有对应的法律，我支持这个医生，熊家长比熊孩子还可怕
这个人不配当医生 还要发帖，畜生不如
国内一个不小心就会被赖上，路上扶个老人起来都得掂量一下，所以导致这种医务人员不敢出来救人的情况。只能一声叹息了。
用手术刀切断大腿动脉，自杀了。记得是那家医院心脑外科扛鼎之人。
俺也是想到这种法律保护。
是的，别人就吵了他一下，他就见死不救，见死不救就罢了还发帖，垃圾
事先怎么说和事后出问题对方家长怎么办没有联系 只要法律不保护肯定不出手
这不是仅仅被吵到了。是你看出来对方家长人品很差，你帮了忙，基本可以肯定自己要遭殃。你会不会明知自己要赔钱，要被吊销执照，还去帮呢？
我受急救训练(最低级别，志愿参加公司员工组成的紧急救援队)受到的指引是，志愿人员可以不提供救助，但是一旦沾手就要尽力，在把病人交给更高级别急救/医护人员之前不能放弃不管。
几年前韩寒写过一篇文章，关于上海交警执法大队钓鱼执法查黑车。惯用手段是一两个人装作急病求私家车司机搭车，主动提出给钱，拉至埋伏地段，几个人上来抢钥匙、把司机扑倒、扣车、交几千至上万赎车。韩寒写道，国人不多的有同情心的人，上海交警的作为就是把他们精准地从人群中找出来，予以惩戒。
真正的医生应该不顾自己安危，医者仁心。这个社会维护秩序的机构制定规则和先例，让善良的人在自然流露人性善的时候，对他们大喝一声，住手。医闹这个特殊的职业，在普世古今都认同医生是人类最接近神的角色的共识下，可以如此繁盛，也算是天朝奇观。这才是真正的系统性作恶。
就是如此。可以不接手，但是接受了就要自己判断接受的结果和其后果
如果你不是医生，不要用什么真正的医生该如何如何来绑架别人。 我不是医生，我不主张见死不救，但是我也不主张道德绑架
这真是死得其所，家人还好意思起诉，也是绝了。出了法院没再气死一个？
这老头求仁得仁吧，自己上赶子去找死怪谁呢！
这说明恶人不是一个，是一家子都恶。
这个老头儿是自己把自己给气死的，估计在家里就横行霸道惯了，有人不顺着他他就接受不了了
原文说的很清楚啊：“法律不会保护我在非医疗环境下的治疗行为”。
因为法制不健全啊……谁敢站出来？在美国敢站出来救人，也是因为有法律护体啊……
自杀了，好像 东北 黑龙江的
楼主这个例子，对熊孩子的反感是可能影响他的医学判断与操作的，所以最好还是不参与救助，对大家都好。
老无赖生下的也是小无赖，很正常。
这种情况不是急诊医生估计都不知道怎么抢救。 如果有呼吸心跳，就不需要CPR. 不知道损伤情况，最安全的方法难道不是啥也别动，不然unstable fractures越搬越糟。然后病人送到医院，医院说，哎呀，如果病人没有被移动，就不会这么严重的错位，那么在现场抢救的人就百口莫辩，等着被告倒倾家荡产吧
制度保障吧。
这种行为，就算被人硬定义为见死不救 - 谁在乎这种没有任何约束性的定义呢？关键是，不犯法。
我也想到珠峰那两个大哥，放弃自己差不多登上珠峰的机会，救人一命没有被感激还要贴几千美元。
这种情况医生见死不救， 不应该判刑吗？
我觉得该判， 至少屁股上打 30 大板至少。
确实。 这个时候，只要呼吸心跳还在，尽量不要移动病人，保持气道通畅，就真没什么太多可以做的。其它就是让火车工作人员安排120在最近的站接人就是了。
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK542176/
某些人永遠是站著説話不腰疼，看別人被殺頭要叫好。
某國的法律和執行，也就是讓人呵呵的水平。
并没有
哪裏有那麽多如果。你咋不如果火車沒晃，或者如果孩子沒掉下來？至於火車售票的優先權，更是難以執行了。誰決定誰可以有優先權？帶孩子的家長圖便宜不買下鋪的票怎麽辦？
是呀。像这种外伤病例，有心跳呼吸，现场没啥可做的。如果是内科病突发急诊，像心率问题，哮喘，如果有基本的药品和仪器，加上有经验的医生， 可能抢救一下。前几个月新闻里报道高铁上一个女的突然晕厥，一车厢都是去开会的医学专家，都去给她看了。 所以不是医生冷血不冷血，是不同的急症不一样。
贴的不止几千美元，他们每人要花20万人民币。。。
哎，其实一火车几千人，怎么可能没有医疗工作者？广播半天没人吭声。。。其实都是差不多的顾虑
不怪他。这种情况，中国的法律不保护他。
如果这个社会没有发生过医闹砍人，这个熊孩子的家长没有显示过胡搅蛮缠的个性，社会上没有发生过救死扶伤被讹上的实例，我想这个医生会出手帮忙的
火车票优先权很简单。 卖票是实名制的，卖给小孩的票优先下铺就可以了。 飞机经济舱第一排就是优先给带婴儿的旅客。 我说如果的意思是孩子摔了是意外，并不是因为他们淘气。 那个医生该不该救人按行规来，不救也没错；但TA的描述一副幸灾乐祸的口吻，太恶毒了。 孩子淘气是烦人，但罪不至死。
这剧原著的作者是北京安贞医院急诊科医生，许多案例是他所历、所闻。剧本有改编与和谐化。国内很长一段时间，医患冲突即使发生对医生的恶性伤害都是以民事纠纷处理，恶法纵刁民，医生完全没有过错都会要求医院和责任医生与患者和解，使职业医闹得以恣意蔓延，后来恶性案件频生，近年政府才开始正视，有了刑责。医生普遍不愿意下一代再从医，与师范一样，医学院分数已经一将再降。恶性循环的圈子已经隐现。
是啊,新的CPR也不用嘴对嘴吹，手按压就可 这个护士律师写的最好知道自己州的法律，每个州规定不同 Know the law before acting as Good Samaritan By Nancy J. Brent, MS, JD, RN www.nurse.com/blog/know-the-law-before-acting-as-good-samaritan/
journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/good-samaritan-statutes-are-medical-volunteers-protected/2004-04 physicians and other health care professionals should ask the following questions in order to ascertain potential liability: (1) Is this an emergency situation? (2) Do I have a pre-existing duty to render medical treatment? (3) Will I receive remuneration for my services? (3) Will my services be provided in "good faith"? (4) What protections do the applicable state statutes provide? In general, it appears that health care professionals who render voluntary services will be protected by Good Samaritan legislation.12 The determining factors will most likely be whether the health care provider "upheld the spirit of the law by rendering emergency care voluntarily and in good faith."5
nowinsurance.com/blog/nurses-and-the-good-samaritan-law/ Good Samaritan laws vary from state to state, but common features include: Consent: A person must consent to receiving a rescuer’s help. Implied consent: If the person is unconscious or incapable of making decisions on their own behalf, rescuers may act as if consent has been given. Reasonable level of care: If a rescuer believes an action should be taken that is outside their scope of practice (such as emergency surgery), they should not perform that action. Compensation: Services provided by a rescuer must be completely voluntary. The good Samaritan may not require or accept compensation. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK542176/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20these%20laws%20do,as%20a%20reasonably%20prudent%20person. Good Samaritan Laws - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf (nih.gov) All 50 states and the District of Columbia have a good Samaritan law, in addition to Federal laws for specific circumstances. Many good Samaritan laws were initially written to protect physicians from liability when rendering care outside their usual clinical setting. The details of good Samaritan laws vary by jurisdiction, including who is protected (physicians, emergency medical technicians, and other first responders) from liability and under what circumstances. In general, these laws do not protect medical personnel from liability if acting in the course of their usual profession. Good Samaritan laws give liability protection against "ordinary negligence." Ordinary negligence is the failure to act as a reasonably prudent person. It is the failure to exercise such care as the great mass of humanity ordinarily applies under the same or similar circumstances.
中国法律应该不断完善，美国急诊科里都有带枪警察值班的。医闹哪都有
按美国的法律“Reasonable level of care: If a rescuer believes an action should be taken that is outside their scope of practice (such as emergency surgery), they should not perform that action.” 所以下铺中国医生也没做错什么，高处摔下来可能也不能随意搬动 nowinsurance.com/blog/nurses-and-the-good-samaritan-law/ Good Samaritan laws vary from state to state, but common features include: Consent: A person must consent to receiving a rescuer’s help. Implied consent: If the person is unconscious or incapable of making decisions on their own behalf, rescuers may act as if consent has been given. Reasonable level of care: If a rescuer believes an action should be taken that is outside their scope of practice (such as emergency surgery), they should not perform that action. Compensation: Services provided by a rescuer must be completely voluntary. The good Samaritan may not require or accept compensation.
真的吗？看完我整个不好了。
我以前上学时有个同学从5楼擦窗户摔下来，我记得老师当时说的不能随意搬动，后来那个同学在医院救过来了，也能走路了，但是因为在学校受伤，所以分了一个比较轻松体制内闲职。从此，我们学校取消打扫寝室擦窗户。
我记得这个案例，但这个案子到最后结束也是反反复复，拖的非常久，对被告是个非常大的折磨。普通人面对这种情况有顾虑也是可以理解
根本不是吵一下的问题，而是你好心帮人了，这样的家长会把所有责任都推到你身上，惹不起躲得起，我理解这个医生，在没有法律保护的前提下，保护自己比冲动救人重要
国内的系统性作恶可以说不胜枚举，这才是大家即使喜欢下楼就有的各种美食也不敢随便搬迁回去的原因。
我还经常幻想good doctor距离从天而降救人的场景 渴望当一把英雄 但如果没办法确定自己安全 怎么救人 还是独善其身吧 做cpr第一点就是确认周围环境安全并呼救报警 （对没有医学知识的人，可以换成，路你是女的，大半夜一个人开车，有个醉汉摔得满头是血，摇摇晃晃朝你走来。。你会拉他去医院吗?）
而且需要做急救，等不了救护车那几分钟的人。。一般都是症状严重，情况很不乐观的。。可能做不做急救都会死的，上去帮忙，几乎都是给自己找事。能做的就是快速把他送到医院进行专业救助。 我遇到过病人送过来已经挂了，急诊科医生接力给他做了一小时cpr，肋骨都按断了，还被病人家属嘴没给病人留个全尸的。
我可以呼救报警叫救护车。 如果是找医生的话，我会默默围观一会儿，不暴露自己身份，默默提点几句，比如别瞎搬病人啥的，如果急救电话要人配合操作的话我可能会帮忙提示下动作？ 在我的幻想中，能挺身而出做英雄的场景： 小孩吃东西噎了憋得一脸紫，我给他海姆立克法一下。。 某人张力性气胸喘不上气，我给他扎一下。 如果有家属在，我可能扮路人跟他说是这个情况，可能可以这么救，让家属自己决定怎么操作。我是不可能碰的。
只要双手碰着人家了，就是人救回来了，但凡有点不舒服也可能被赖上。。你说我给小孩抱起来一怼，不懂医的人回去小孩哪不舒服不会理解我是为了救人必须这么做，可能会挑刺说我这么做给小孩吓着了，小孩难受是我用力过猛了啥的。气胸给人穿刺说不定还留疤呢，那人家也可能怪我。何必给自己找不痛快。
对了，不止中国人这样。 99%中国医生因为卷或者注重口碑，经常怕病人死自己手上，是非常负责任的。比如什么循环cpr十几小时一定要让病人熬到特定时间，插一身管一定让病人下了台再死都是这一逻辑下诞生的奇观。 白人医护大多数给钱都不一定好好干，凑合糊弄一下拿钱下班走人，这种没钱有风险的事更是不会干了。 之前有一次遇到病人可能嗑药还是怎么的，住院住到一半跑掉了。病人丢了是有code全院广播的，医院培训的就是听到code的人都要留意寻找病人并报告行踪，但为了自己的安全不要主动接触病人。结果病人穿着病号服拖着输液管跑上公交，一堆下班的医护在公交上没一个吱声的（我以为至少发个邮件报告报告下发现病人行踪呢?），后来病人自己又坐公交车回去了。。简直离谱。。 就这点来说，我觉得中国看病又快，医生又负责，技术又好，价格还便宜。唯一的缺点就是新技术还是有滞后的。
这事儿问非医生也没什么用吧。 看描述这俩娃肯定不属于乖的，但也没到非正常状态。感觉满大街的娃不少是这卦的。我第一反应会想救。但咱完全没专业常识只能属于站着说话不腰疼的