台湾说这次制裁后大概有两百个拿美国护照的就不能在中国做高管了。。。除非放弃美国国籍。。。 "TAIPEI -- The latest U.S. crackdown on China''s tech has left a group of talented employees caught in the crossfire: the hundreds of Chinese Americans who have been some of the key figures at China''s homegrown semiconductor-related companies. For the first time, U.S. export controls on China have expanded to block "U.S. persons" -- both citizens and permanent residents -- from supporting the "development" or "production" of certain high-end chips that could advance Chinese tech applications from military use and artificial intelligence to supercomputers. The restriction could bring massive disruption to China''s leading chip circles, industry executives and analysts said. Multiple top China-based chip equipment and materials companies have been founded by Chinese Americans who have U.S. citizenship, according to industry executives and public filings, and "hundreds" of executives and professionals at the heart of China''s efforts to build a self-reliant chip ecosystem also have U.S. citizenship, people familiar with the matter told Nikkei Asia. Such senior executives are known as haigui, or "sea turtles" -- a Chinese nickname for returnees who have studied and worked overseas. They have long been viewed as crucial to China''s aim of improving its chip and tech sectors, and many have touted their experience working at top U.S. companies like Intel, Applied Materials and Lam Research. Some renowned examples include founding Chairman and CEO Gerald Yin of Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment Inc. China (AMEC), China''s leading equipment maker, which aims to break the dominance of U.S. companies in the chipmaking tool sector. Yin -- described as a U.S. citizen on the company''s website and in its filings to the stock exchange -- worked in the U.S. for two decades before he started AMEC in 2004. Many of AMEC''s senior executives are also American citizens with long experience working and studying in the U.S., including chief operating officer Du Zhiyou, the company''s investor relations website showed. AMEC''s shares closed down nearly 20% on Monday, part of a sell-off in China chip stocks following the announcement of the latest U.S. curbs. Other examples include David H. Wang, CEO and president of ACM Research, China''s most advanced maker of wafer cleaning machines. The company website says he is a U.S. citizen. ACM Research told Nikkei Asia it is still studying the implications of the new rules and declined to comment further. At least four senior executives at Shanghai-listed chip machine maker Tuojing Technology, also known as Piotech, also have U.S. citizenship. Chen Lu, the founding chairman and CEO of Skyverse Technology, a key provider of test machines, is another U.S. citizen, according to company''s prospectus, as is Wang Sumin, founding chair and CEO of chipmaking chemical maker Anji Microelectronics, public filing records showed. Anji''s shares fell 20% on Monday. AMEC, Skyverse, Piotech and Anji did not respond to Nikkei Asia''s request for comments. People attend a chip industry fair in Shanghai. International ties have been key to the growth of China''s semiconductor sector. (Photo by Cheng Ting-Fang) Over a decade China has strongly encouraged those with special know-how and industry knowledge to return home to teach at top universities or start companies. The "Thousand Talents Plan" initiated by Beijing in 2008 was aimed at bringing back even more overseas talent to help China improve its industries. However, the U.S. now sees programs like this as an industrial espionage threat. The latest export controls are Washington''s first explicit attempt to stop the sea turtles from helping China develop advanced semiconductors for supercomputers, AI and other key tech applications. Previously, Washington only regulated U.S. persons'' activities if they were related to nuclear or chemical and biological weapons programs in China, the export control document said. "We don''t have actual numbers of how many people could fall under the U.S. new regulations this time. But from public information, many key Chinese chip companies are led by Chinese Americans or have several Chinese American senior executives," Donnie Teng, a tech analyst with Nomura Securities, told Nikkei Asia. They "are crucial industry leaders for Chinese semiconductor development and progress." Mark Li, a semiconductor analyst with Sandford C. Bernstein, said, "It could have a big impact if U.S. talent can''t support Chinese chip development." The new ban takes effect on Wednesday, at which time all activities by these "U.S. persons" related to the development of certain grades of high-end chips must cease until they receive a license, Christopher Timura, a Washington-based lawyer with Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, told Nikkei Asia. "This new restriction applies not only to engineers who might be supporting the development and production of the types of targeted ICs, but also to other business personnel because it also extends to U.S. persons that are involved in other business functions such as shipping or transmitting commodities or technologies," Timura said. Timura added that the restriction applies equally to U.S. expatriates supporting projects and chipmaking facilities located in China and to American companies located in the U.S. He likened it to the curbs on U.S. persons assisting sanctioned countries such as Cuba, Iran and North Korea. Violators of the licensing requirement can be subject to both civil and criminal penalties, several trade and export control lawyers said. U.S. citizens become subject to the license requirement as soon as they are aware that American items or technologies will be used to develop or produce high-end chips at a facility in China that makes advanced logic chips, explained Kevin Wolf, a veteran export control lawyer with Akin Gump. For logic chips -- generally understood to mean processor chips -- the rules cover production technology of the 14-to-16-nanometer grade or better. For NAND flash memory, the cutoff is chips with 128 layers or more, while for DRAM memory it is 18-nm tech or better. The new regulations hit at the heart of China''s chip ambition. Its top chipmakers are ramping up production for chips of those grades. Yangtze Memory has put 128-layer NAND flash memory into production, while ChangXin mass-produces 18-nm grade DRAM. Both companies are developing next-generation memory chips. Chinese chip equipment and materials makers are working to support these expansion programs. Chinese Americans can try to avoid the latest rules by abandoning their U.S. citizenship or changing the scope of their working areas. "If such individuals have, in fact, ceased to be U.S. citizens, or no longer have the status of permanent residents and are acting outside the United States, the rules would not apply to them," Harry Clark, a Washington-based lawyer specializing in export control law with Orrick, told Nikkei Asia. "But whether any given such individual has achieved this status (not being a U.S. person) would depend on an assessment under U.S. immigration laws." It would not be easy for these Chinese Americans to abandon their citizenship overnight, multiple chip industry executives told Nikkei Asia. "The new regulation caught many of these Chinese American executives off guard. ... Many of them have family overseas in the U.S. and have assets and properties in the U.S.," said one chip industry executive who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter. "It will be very tough for them if the U.S. can really enforce and execute this new regulation."
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遵守美国新规: 科磊部分断供中国芯片客户 （德国之声中文网） 据知情人士周二（10月11日）透露，美国芯片设备制造商科磊(KLA)将从周三起部分停止向包括韩国SK海力士中国工厂在内的中国客户提供产品和服务，以符合美国政府的最近规定。 拜登政府周五公布了最新的出口管制措施，旨在限制中国在先进芯片制造方面的发展。全球芯片制造商和芯片设备制造商面临巨大的商业困境。 根据公司财务文件，中国是科磊最大的区域市场，截至6月的上一财政年度销售额达到26.6亿美元，占其总收入的近30%。 根据上周五公布的美国新规定，为中国芯片制造商提供先进制造设备的企业，必须先获得美国商务部的许可。
周三起断供 这位因事涉敏感而不愿透露姓名的知情人士称，中国工作人员收到一封来自科磊法务部门的电子邮件，称从北京时间周二晚上11点59分（格林威治时间15点59分）起，该公司将停止向中国的 “先进工厂”销售128层以上的NAND芯片和18纳米及以下的DRAM芯片以及先进的逻辑芯片，同时停止提供服务。 “我们的高层管理团队已经告诉我们要放松几个月。”这位知情人士对路透社说。 科磊没有立即回应工作时间以外的置评请求。 该知情人士还说，科磊还将停止向英特尔和全球第二大内存芯片制造商SK海力士旗下的中国芯片厂供货。 路透社此前报道称，在中国开设工厂、希望获得先进芯片制造设备的外国公司，其许可证申请将被逐一审查，审查标准为“假定拒绝”。 SK海力士再次声明，将根据美国最新出口管制规则申请设备许可证，以维持其中国工厂的运营。英特尔没有立即回应置评请求。
正在评估长期影响 中国两家领先的内存芯片制造商长江存储科技（YMTC）和长鑫存储技术（CXMT），以及合同制芯片制造商中芯国际（SMIC）是受美国新规影响的主要客户。 这三家公司都没有立即回应路透社的置评请求。 另一位来自中国境外芯片设备公司的知情人士告诉路透社，芯片工厂的所有主要供应商都在加班加点地评估该法规的长期影响。 这位人士说，“一开始我们都反应过度，而法律团队会为每一个可能受到影响的软件和设备制定细节。” 受美国新规的影响，科磊股价周一暴跌近5%。 与泛林集团（Lam Research Corp）以及应用材料公司（Applied Materials Inc）一样，作为美国顶级设备制造商，科磊被要求停止向制造先进芯片的中国独资工厂发货。
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不带我们玩就等着被市场淘汰吧
前提是人家带你玩
你傻啊。中国这么大的市场,资本家当然要争取啊。说的好像美国做慈善。你们的脑子都洗坏了。
太幼稚了，想想当年的日本，够听话吧，还不是被美国打个半残。不光打，还扶持台湾韩国分流日本的半导体行业，把日本的发展潜力锁死。美国想复刻当年对日本做过的事，可惜中国不是日本，不但不配合还反抗。
我又没有说学习也是自己来。 能从别人那里学习，然后报效自己的民族/祖国，就封不死的。
另外，博士那个例子，他学习阶段学习的还是理论吧！ 还是要最后自己搞研究的啊。 有这个能力就可以了。
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KLA，我也是第一次看到这个译名。
当时封华为得时候，我早说了。就是全面封，根本没理由。 不过还是美国内部没人，还是不够坚决，现在变成撒胡椒面了。国内28nm已经可以做了，只是14nm以下得估计很多年也不会有。
中国国产化已经推行好多年了，不管美国封不封，国内一直是按照封做准备了。
朋友人格上是要平等的。美国，只接受其他人一个姿势就是跪着舔。
然后大妈们还特别推崇美国人深信人人平等。其实美国人从骨子里就不信这些东西。
这就是逼着用盗版软件？？？
应用材料 拉姆研究 科磊
美国三大半导体设备制造商
科磊是半导体制程管控的巨擘
这下武汉长江存储就比较难受了
美光股票闻讯立刻上扬
主动让出市场，对中国创新企业又是一大利好，这些都是中国安插在美国的内应在推动
Ps: 我正在等待组织通知具体是中国哪几个企业利好 然后我会补上 我们有分工很细的专门的各行业研究报告团队 大家不要着急
人家做的是半导体设备，不是光软件。
国内早在做准备了，难受就难受而已。大家早等着靴子落地了。
你真的觉得是好消息
每一步都是双赢，中国赢两回。一别两宽，期望中国全面报复
没那么简单，不解决急功近利的大环境，心浮气躁，院士小甜甜这些长期卡脖子的问题，一个字难
中国什么时候全面断供稀土？就是那种suddenly一刀切一个子都不给那种。既然敞开了撕逼，就得有敞开撕逼的样子。
我正在等待组织通知具体是中国哪几个企业利好 然后我会补上 我们有分工很细的专门的各行业研究报告团队
自己的命脉掌握在别人手里。 长痛不如短痛。 真有本事的话, 相当于自由了 没有本事的话, 跪下也是挨宰的命
卡脖子 哈哈哈 那个视频衍生来的又一网络热词吗？
没见过这么睁眼说瞎话的
欧美自己不买俄罗斯天然气了，然后叫嚷俄罗斯以天然气为武器。 中国要断供稀土，估计美国连大型火箭都飞不上。
这次得SLS就没有避免，中国没有提供永磁铁后，大型火箭不出毛病的规律。 上一次能发射到火星的火箭，是2001年，那个火箭里的永磁铁是中国提供的，而这种永磁铁是存在与中国的稀土里。
NASA是自己给自己断的，还是不是中国禁，要是中国禁，估计影响更大。
别急 具体细节马上跟上 我正在等待组织通知具体是中国哪几个企业利好 然后我会补上 我们有分工很细的专门的各行业研究报告团队
前些年政府提醒企业脱钩的危险 让未雨绸缪赶紧想对策 很多企业不以为然 现在是很多企业去找政府问 咋办 不过 很快就要有结果了 国内就那样 不逼一逼 不行
美国人的舆论宣传，和洗脑，对内，对外，确实很牛逼！
半导体设备生产厂家前十美国占八家， 另外一家荷兰一家日本都听美国话。 这八家美国公司中六家在加州俩家在麻州， 大学过硬不白给的。什么时候国内大学能拼过加州麻州大学， 什么时候就可以不被人家卡脖子了。
这不是偶然的 这些都是中国多年苦心经营安插在美国的内应在推动 要不然怎么这么巧 刚想打个盹美国就递枕头上来了
就和中国航天一样，现在基本每隔几天国内都发火箭。
扯什么呢，人人平等不是共产主义国家平等均贫富
我也是非业界人士
看这个名字，能猜出和科技有关，名字是音译
笑死了，space X每隔几个小时就发射火箭，人家只是私企中的一家
哪个共产主义国家平等均贫富？ 反正不是中国。。。
你搞笑把。
spacex 今年是发射了50多次把。 全美好像也是50,60多次。现在美国和中国的火箭发射次数是一个数量级。spacex做不到几个小时一次。中国是44，基本上就是1个星期一次。你吹牛连个草稿都不打的啊。
怎么全面报复，靠嘴炮吗？
笑死了。。。
还是国家队厉害，要不然为什么本版无毛都号称是人生赢家呢！
你多虑了 我们KPI是保密的 只有领导才知道 就是为了防止下面的人game这个system
SpaceX 没有那么频繁是因为需求不足，中国做不到是因为没那个技术。
主要是成本问题，或者说工业能力的问题。SpaceX每发一个火箭都有巨大的利润，还能交税，可以雇佣全世界更好的工程师。中国每发一个火箭都是靠国家补贴，工程师待遇低，没见到有几个清北的毕业生去搞航天的，工程师都是二流学校毕业的。未来怎么样，可想而知。这也是为什么特斯拉远远领先NIO和小鹏的原因。
是哦，小甜甜们卡着脖子，伟大理论绑着思想，核酸检测捆住手脚，院士们要想短时间突破重重阻力，不容易呀
你要做火箭上天啊，几小时一次发什么？
主要是中美双赢，哦不，中国赢两次，美国不输，所以无毛反贼都叫好，一别两宽各自欢喜（中国更宽一些更欢喜一些）
拉姆研究？不应该翻译成“林氏研究”吗？
自闭应该更主动些，大吉大利。
是啊，对双方 都是 一件好事。习 不是 一直 提倡 自力更生吗？这样最好，看好 中国 独立发展的 能力哦
so true
以前 一直没有 封锁，现在 不是 开始了吗？甭管 几 纳米。
中国在文革结束前买东西时另加收供应票（油票、粮票、肉票、糖票、肥皂票……），另外还有特供商店。 中国特色的平等均贫富（钱）就这样实现了。
扯淡扯的没边了，美国资本家技术换市场，赚得盆满钵满， 到你这里成了大爱无边了。
这个，我早看出来了。美国只是想搞个地球种姓制度，自己做婆罗门，其他做奴工供着它。其它什么平等自由都是道具。
是的，他们才不管俄罗斯民主化不民主化，中国民主化不民主化，他们要得只要驯服，听话，一切以自己自以为是的安全感为首要任务，根本不管其他国家的灾难。
洋屌疯！ 洋人说的都是对的，洋人说的一切都要听。
他提到的是有两个火箭发射间隔2枚， 中国上个月12小时发射3枚都没去吹牛呢
Space X真的很讨厌，制造了很多太空垃圾。美国就是这么霸道，当初签署协议的时候也是更多想到自己。
大妈们的反应和奶茶、隋梦一个样子。
一采访大妈，为啥跟肉饼、崔毅啊？肯定是人品好、心地善良、有上进心、对我好。
结果一个强奸未成年少女，一个打炮被诬陷强奸还带着老婆怀着二胎去听审，就这样的人品，宁愿多下崽，打死也不愿离。
和大妈与美国的关系如出一彻。
说的好像啥时候美国支持中国发展似的。一个村里俩养猪的都能互掐，怎么到了国家层面还有互相支持的？全是利益！！！
所以国内早就不在乎美国的制裁了，之前隐忍不发，看来是看在美华面子上才采用美国的东西，留点小甜头给老美。
"TAIPEI -- The latest U.S. crackdown on China''s tech has left a group of talented employees caught in the crossfire: the hundreds of Chinese Americans who have been some of the key figures at China''s homegrown semiconductor-related companies. For the first time, U.S. export controls on China have expanded to block "U.S. persons" -- both citizens and permanent residents -- from supporting the "development" or "production" of certain high-end chips that could advance Chinese tech applications from military use and artificial intelligence to supercomputers. The restriction could bring massive disruption to China''s leading chip circles, industry executives and analysts said. Multiple top China-based chip equipment and materials companies have been founded by Chinese Americans who have U.S. citizenship, according to industry executives and public filings, and "hundreds" of executives and professionals at the heart of China''s efforts to build a self-reliant chip ecosystem also have U.S. citizenship, people familiar with the matter told Nikkei Asia.
Such senior executives are known as haigui, or "sea turtles" -- a Chinese nickname for returnees who have studied and worked overseas. They have long been viewed as crucial to China''s aim of improving its chip and tech sectors, and many have touted their experience working at top U.S. companies like Intel, Applied Materials and Lam Research. Some renowned examples include founding Chairman and CEO Gerald Yin of Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment Inc. China (AMEC), China''s leading equipment maker, which aims to break the dominance of U.S. companies in the chipmaking tool sector. Yin -- described as a U.S. citizen on the company''s website and in its filings to the stock exchange -- worked in the U.S. for two decades before he started AMEC in 2004. Many of AMEC''s senior executives are also American citizens with long experience working and studying in the U.S., including chief operating officer Du Zhiyou, the company''s investor relations website showed. AMEC''s shares closed down nearly 20% on Monday, part of a sell-off in China chip stocks following the announcement of the latest U.S. curbs. Other examples include David H. Wang, CEO and president of ACM Research, China''s most advanced maker of wafer cleaning machines. The company website says he is a U.S. citizen. ACM Research told Nikkei Asia it is still studying the implications of the new rules and declined to comment further. At least four senior executives at Shanghai-listed chip machine maker Tuojing Technology, also known as Piotech, also have U.S. citizenship. Chen Lu, the founding chairman and CEO of Skyverse Technology, a key provider of test machines, is another U.S. citizen, according to company''s prospectus, as is Wang Sumin, founding chair and CEO of chipmaking chemical maker Anji Microelectronics, public filing records showed. Anji''s shares fell 20% on Monday. AMEC, Skyverse, Piotech and Anji did not respond to Nikkei Asia''s request for comments. People attend a chip industry fair in Shanghai. International ties have been key to the growth of China''s semiconductor sector. (Photo by Cheng Ting-Fang) Over a decade China has strongly encouraged those with special know-how and industry knowledge to return home to teach at top universities or start companies. The "Thousand Talents Plan" initiated by Beijing in 2008 was aimed at bringing back even more overseas talent to help China improve its industries. However, the U.S. now sees programs like this as an industrial espionage threat. The latest export controls are Washington''s first explicit attempt to stop the sea turtles from helping China develop advanced semiconductors for supercomputers, AI and other key tech applications. Previously, Washington only regulated U.S. persons'' activities if they were related to nuclear or chemical and biological weapons programs in China, the export control document said. "We don''t have actual numbers of how many people could fall under the U.S. new regulations this time. But from public information, many key Chinese chip companies are led by Chinese Americans or have several Chinese American senior executives," Donnie Teng, a tech analyst with Nomura Securities, told Nikkei Asia. They "are crucial industry leaders for Chinese semiconductor development and progress." Mark Li, a semiconductor analyst with Sandford C. Bernstein, said, "It could have a big impact if U.S. talent can''t support Chinese chip development." The new ban takes effect on Wednesday, at which time all activities by these "U.S. persons" related to the development of certain grades of high-end chips must cease until they receive a license, Christopher Timura, a Washington-based lawyer with Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, told Nikkei Asia. "This new restriction applies not only to engineers who might be supporting the development and production of the types of targeted ICs, but also to other business personnel because it also extends to U.S. persons that are involved in other business functions such as shipping or transmitting commodities or technologies," Timura said. Timura added that the restriction applies equally to U.S. expatriates supporting projects and chipmaking facilities located in China and to American companies located in the U.S. He likened it to the curbs on U.S. persons assisting sanctioned countries such as Cuba, Iran and North Korea. Violators of the licensing requirement can be subject to both civil and criminal penalties, several trade and export control lawyers said. U.S. citizens become subject to the license requirement as soon as they are aware that American items or technologies will be used to develop or produce high-end chips at a facility in China that makes advanced logic chips, explained Kevin Wolf, a veteran export control lawyer with Akin Gump. For logic chips -- generally understood to mean processor chips -- the rules cover production technology of the 14-to-16-nanometer grade or better. For NAND flash memory, the cutoff is chips with 128 layers or more, while for DRAM memory it is 18-nm tech or better. The new regulations hit at the heart of China''s chip ambition. Its top chipmakers are ramping up production for chips of those grades. Yangtze Memory has put 128-layer NAND flash memory into production, while ChangXin mass-produces 18-nm grade DRAM. Both companies are developing next-generation memory chips. Chinese chip equipment and materials makers are working to support these expansion programs. Chinese Americans can try to avoid the latest rules by abandoning their U.S. citizenship or changing the scope of their working areas. "If such individuals have, in fact, ceased to be U.S. citizens, or no longer have the status of permanent residents and are acting outside the United States, the rules would not apply to them," Harry Clark, a Washington-based lawyer specializing in export control law with Orrick, told Nikkei Asia. "But whether any given such individual has achieved this status (not being a U.S. person) would depend on an assessment under U.S. immigration laws." It would not be easy for these Chinese Americans to abandon their citizenship overnight, multiple chip industry executives told Nikkei Asia. "The new regulation caught many of these Chinese American executives off guard. ... Many of them have family overseas in the U.S. and have assets and properties in the U.S.," said one chip industry executive who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter. "It will be very tough for them if the U.S. can really enforce and execute this new regulation."
放弃美籍？
台湾说这是核弹级别的攻击。。。
那用中国的逻辑，也是倒逼美国自产。长期看利好。这样的脱钩是你赢我赢大家赢啊。
看新闻说，绿卡也不能待。也得走人。。。
又给了一次自主自强的机会。 win win
难道不该限制么？一个邪恶政权掌握更高的科技难道是好事？要想不被限制就别战狼啊，别让人家看出来真面目。
放弃美国国籍还能保留绿卡,申请回来？
放弃国籍后来美国旅游都不批。
好像饶毅就是。。。
只要掌握了媒体话语权，还不是说你邪恶就邪恶？
这和 美籍 绿卡 H1B 都没 关系。
你个人 要在 中国工作 没问题，不管你 什么身份。美国政府 也不好禁止，要不然 法院打官司 美国政府 要输的。
只是 这些半导体设备公司的 员工（不管身份）要 遵照 公司决定 撤出的，除非 你 辞职。
哈哈哈哈哈，属实。能牢牢掌握媒体、枪杆子和钱袋子的有哪些政党呢？
都宇宙第一了，还在乎美国的技术？
对啊，香港，新疆，台湾，站队俄罗斯，种种问题，美国也不是 傻瓜。
特别是 香港 台湾问题。香港 后面 有 英美二个干爸，闹翻了。再加上 有可能在 台湾问题上 和 中国冲突的，当然 先要预防一脚的。再加上 和 俄罗斯 合作无上限，呵呵。
美国政府禁止美国人为中国企业工作，违宪了吧。
美国的双标也是让人惊叹了， 以前怎么也想不到西方文明社会政府也会这么不要脸，只能说，那时太年轻。 说到底， 只要是政府，不管东西方， 没有不邪恶不腐败的， 都是人类， 给点权力， 都会膨胀。
美国这事总觉得干的比较傻逼。军用都是低级芯片，高级的多数是民用。这一把基本除了把自己企业逼死和逼中国自主产生自己的chinter，好像并没有啥卵用