回复 1楼7天马行空的帖子 “Keeping guns away from citizens who follow the law does very little to keep them from criminals who ignore the law. ” 他的话非常有误导性，law的目的是keep gun away from criminals，所以才要有license，才要有年龄check，才要有经验需要。 Ted这种被NRA lobby支持的官员其实就是为NRA工作，NRA是为firearm企业工作，利益链太明显了。
proud boy 打砸抢，杀人放火了吗？意识形态不同不等于有罪，打砸抢烧破坏他人财产才是有罪的，当然民主党不这样认为，因为BLM 和安提法是民主党的先锋打手，犯罪深重也不会被处治。那普通公民就有权拥枪自卫。 GrandTeton 发表于 2022-05-29 19:20
Proud Boy Alan Swinney gets 10 years for 2020 protest crimes Following a six-day trial in October Swinney was convicted of 2nd- and 4th-degree assault, 2nd- and 4th-degree attempted assault, two counts of 2nd-degree unlawful use of Mace, unlawful use of a weapon with a firearm, two counts of unlawful use of a weapon (paintball gun) and pointing a firearm at another. Proud Boys member sentenced to over 7 years on firearms charges N.C. Proud Boy pleads guilty to Jan. 6 conspiracy charge, faces up to 7 years in prison Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, identified in court documents as state president of the Proud Boys, will be sentenced on two felony charges: conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; and assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers. Donohoe is one of six Proud Boy members from around the country who are named in a March indictment. He is the first to plead guilty and has promised to testify against his alleged co-conspirators. https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article260235220.html Proud Boy from West Virginia pleads guilty in Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol breach https://wvmetronews.com/2022/04/07/proud-boy-from-west-virginia-pleads-guilty-in-jan-6-u-s-capitol-breach/ 不过没关系，前总统说他再当选会特赦他们，和任何一个冲击国会的。
Proud boys stormed the capital threatened to hang pence killed multiple capital policemen bettercallsaul 发表于 2022-05-29 19:31
Trump's chief of staff at the time, Mark Meadows, told other officials at the White House that the president complained about the vice president being escorted to safety, according to a witness who appeared before the House committee investigating Jan. 6, according to The New York Times. Meadows also said Trump expressed a sentiment that perhaps Pence should be hanged, the Times reports, citing sources familiar with testimony provided to the committee by at least one witness.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed。” 要知道SCOTUS对second amendment的解释是在2008/2010年才改变的，原文对people有个定语，well regulated militia, 后来解释改变以后这个定语就被忽略了。
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed。” 要知道SCOTUS对second amendment的解释是在2008/2010年才改变的，原文对people有个定语，well regulated militia, 后来解释改变以后这个定语就被忽略了。 brioche869 发表于 2022-05-29 19:34
当年也是 5:4 通过， 唉， 这样的分歧其实就应该交给全民公决好了。 可以没十年来一次。 太悲哀了， 屁民的生命就这么没了。 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment.html 1969 to 1986, no judge, federal or state, as far as I am aware, expressed any doubt as to the limited coverage of that amendment. When organizations like the National Rifle Association disagreed with that position and began their campaign claiming that federal regulation of firearms curtailed Second Amendment rights, Chief Justice Burger publicly characterized the N.R.A. as perpetrating “one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” In 2008, the Supreme Court overturned Chief Justice Burger’s and others’ long-settled understanding of the Second Amendment’s limited reach by ruling, in District of Columbia v. Heller, that there was an individual right to bear arms. I was among the four dissenters. That decision — which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable — has provided the N.R.A. with a propaganda weapon of immense power. Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option. NRA 看来还是非常邪恶的， 加上一帮脑残粉。
Trump's chief of staff at the time, Mark Meadows, told other officials at the White House that the president complained about the vice president being escorted to safety, according to a witness who appeared before the House committee investigating Jan. 6, according to The New York Times. Meadows also said Trump expressed a sentiment that perhaps Pence should be hanged, the Times reports, citing sources familiar with testimony provided to the committee by at least one witness.
落地无声 发表于 2022-05-29 19:34
目今还有多少人会相信这类“主流媒体”的假新闻，看看这些用词造句：“according to a witness...", "citing sources familiar with ..", "provided to the committee by at least one witness...". "according to The New York Times...", 没有一点新闻报导的准则，无名无姓，某某云云，搬弄事非嚼舌造谣的水平真是一流。
目今还有多少人会相信这类“主流媒体”的假新闻，看看这些用词造句：“according to a witness...", "citing sources familiar with ..", "provided to the committee by at least one witness...". "according to The New York Times...", 没有一点新闻报导的准则，无名无姓，某某云云，搬弄事非嚼舌造谣的水平真是一流。 GrandTeton 发表于 2022-05-29 20:05
这哪儿跟哪儿啊。assault rifles， 中文叫突击步枪，源于Sturmgewehr，是有官方定义的： short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges AR-15 是M-16 的民用版，市场上的只有半自动，严格说不符合selective Fire 这个定义。但是加个kit 很容易变成全自动，其他也都符合定义，所以平时叫assault rifle 也不算离谱。
这哪儿跟哪儿啊。assault rifles， 中文叫突击步枪，源于Sturmgewehr，是有官方定义的： short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges AR-15 是M-16 的民用版，市场上的只有半自动，严格说不符合selective Fire 这个定义。但是加个kit 很容易变成全自动，其他也都符合定义，所以平时叫assault rifle 也不算离谱。
下次有ruters的时候，请你勇敢的站在你的门店前面，用爱感化你对面的百姓。。。。
我觉得控枪要从.22开始，这个最邪恶，私人最多。。。。
现实就是 控枪的州继续控枪 没有实行的州继续没有实行
经济那么烂社会那么不稳定 你要老百姓控枪 你看看结果吧 这样下去没有枪的也会想着法搞个枪
我是一点都不指望
你弄错了，很多ID未必是大妈。。。也未必在北美。。。。
真的挺无知的，对枪。。。。话都说不到点上啊。。。
美国21岁以下在家在父母允许下喝酒不违法
。。。。从伤害能力来说，那个时候的火枪能量焦耳一点不低。。。
您缺乏历史学习。。。有点喜欢瞎说。
需要我给你发一个BLM的游行图片吗？
AR-15，大弹鼓（100发的），防弹衣，头盔，那配置可是杠杠的。。。。
是的 还分朝阳城管派，纽约拥杨派 还有就是真正的欧洲自由派 可热闹了
真正在北美的大妈 拿工资交税辛苦带娃的 大家心里都明白的很 当然也不排除一些刚刚毕业的小单身还热血沸腾
说了半天吧 一些杀伤力重的武器确实应该严格审查 也应该加强学校安全 可是现在哪里有钱呢？ 把支援乌克兰的钱均匀点过来保护我们的孩子？
真的喜欢玩枪，经常去打枪的人大概占有枪人口的1%左右，如果按照全部人口来计算，应该在万分之一以内。
全美只有几十万人，周末去打猎，打飞碟，或者其他打枪的体育运动。华人我估算不超过2000，只会更少，不会更多。
90%的华人买枪是非常基本的个人安全考量。。。。
。。。。有人用车去年试过了，被一些持枪群众和警察组织了。。。
但组织的不够有效，还是死了不少人。。。
您不在美国，不知道这个事情吗？
高中孩子，毕业跟同学开party。。。不能喝酒，其实挺没意思的。。。
反正我跟孩子说了，不喝醉，适量，注意饮料别被加了麻醉剂，其他爸爸不管。。。
proud boy 打砸抢，杀人放火了吗？意识形态不同不等于有罪，打砸抢烧破坏他人财产才是有罪的，当然民主党不这样认为，因为BLM 和安提法是民主党的先锋打手，犯罪深重也不会被处治。那普通公民就有权拥枪自卫。
我周围的华人，只要前几年零元购在北美的。。。
大部分都直接买了，跟男女没关系。。。华人女性和男性，在这方面没觉得有什么差别。
特别是很多孤身一个人在这边的学生，或者孩子妈妈，买的更坚决。因为没有其他更好的方案。
99%的人是不care 2a的，但是总要有个好用的烧火棍来对付登门的歹徒。。。
一般只要家里地方够大，我都会推荐买pcc或者ar-15的长枪，无他，好操作，不要训练，容易上手。。。
归根结底还是愚民太多了吧。 没有这么多愚民， 美国大概也不会枪击案这么多， 发达国家唯一没有全民医保的国家。
“Keeping guns away from citizens who follow the law does very little to keep them from criminals who ignore the law. ”
他的话非常有误导性，law的目的是keep gun away from criminals，所以才要有license，才要有年龄check，才要有经验需要。
Ted这种被NRA lobby支持的官员其实就是为NRA工作，NRA是为firearm企业工作，利益链太明显了。
Proud Boy Alan Swinney gets 10 years for 2020 protest crimes Following a six-day trial in October Swinney was convicted of 2nd- and 4th-degree assault, 2nd- and 4th-degree attempted assault, two counts of 2nd-degree unlawful use of Mace, unlawful use of a weapon with a firearm, two counts of unlawful use of a weapon (paintball gun) and pointing a firearm at another.
Proud Boys member sentenced to over 7 years on firearms charges
N.C. Proud Boy pleads guilty to Jan. 6 conspiracy charge, faces up to 7 years in prison Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, identified in court documents as state president of the Proud Boys, will be sentenced on two felony charges: conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; and assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers. Donohoe is one of six Proud Boy members from around the country who are named in a March indictment. He is the first to plead guilty and has promised to testify against his alleged co-conspirators. https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article260235220.html Proud Boy from West Virginia pleads guilty in Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol breach https://wvmetronews.com/2022/04/07/proud-boy-from-west-virginia-pleads-guilty-in-jan-6-u-s-capitol-breach/ 不过没关系，前总统说他再当选会特赦他们，和任何一个冲击国会的。
Proud boys stormed the capital threatened to hang pence killed multiple capital policemen
你就是属于大家经常说的那种 Typical whataboutism。老调子了。do nothing. 对解决问题没有任何贡献的只有反对的那种人
Trump's chief of staff at the time, Mark Meadows, told other officials at the White House that the president complained about the vice president being escorted to safety, according to a witness who appeared before the House committee investigating Jan. 6, according to The New York Times. Meadows also said Trump expressed a sentiment that perhaps Pence should be hanged, the Times reports, citing sources familiar with testimony provided to the committee by at least one witness.
要知道SCOTUS对second amendment的解释是在2008/2010年才改变的，原文对people有个定语，well regulated militia, 后来解释改变以后这个定语就被忽略了。
当年也是 5:4 通过， 唉， 这样的分歧其实就应该交给全民公决好了。 可以没十年来一次。
太悲哀了， 屁民的生命就这么没了。
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment.html
1969 to 1986, no judge, federal or state, as far as I am aware, expressed any doubt as to the limited coverage of that amendment. When organizations like the National Rifle Association disagreed with that position and began their campaign claiming that federal regulation of firearms curtailed Second Amendment rights, Chief Justice Burger publicly characterized the N.R.A. as perpetrating “one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” In 2008, the Supreme Court overturned Chief Justice Burger’s and others’ long-settled understanding of the Second Amendment’s limited reach by ruling, in District of Columbia v. Heller, that there was an individual right to bear arms. I was among the four dissenters. That decision — which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable — has provided the N.R.A. with a propaganda weapon of immense power. Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option.
NRA 看来还是非常邪恶的， 加上一帮脑残粉。
一月六日冲击国会一案目前尚未结案，真实情况还没有公布于众，民主党也没有那个胆量将事实大白于天下。但相信这一冤案总会有水落石出的一天。永远不要低估绝大多数有正义感的美国人民，美国有今天绝不是偶然的。
目今还有多少人会相信这类“主流媒体”的假新闻，看看这些用词造句：“according to a witness...", "citing sources familiar with ..", "provided to the committee by at least one witness...". "according to The New York Times...", 没有一点新闻报导的准则，无名无姓，某某云云，搬弄事非嚼舌造谣的水平真是一流。
赞成. 纵容antifa,和blm,纵容0元购,纵容非法移民,纵容选举舞弊的情况下,谈控枪,没有意义. 社会风气是堕落的,犯罪的人就越来越多.
又来了，枪杀率最高的可不是大城市，大城市都是蓝的，为啥不按county算？直接把鸟不拉屎的红州抹掉？
懂不懂行我们一般人不了解，加拿大school有没有mass shooting 还是很容易理解的。 Whatever he did, seems it works.
proud boys这都有人舔。真以为自己白人，并且白男啊！
推荐您直接去加拿大，我记得美国公民定居加拿大是没有障碍的。。。
No, I will stay here and vote him out.
Well regulated militias 划等号成了精神病 疯子 都可以打枪 制定2A的国父知道了棺材板子钉子都掉了
支持干掉NRA
事儿来了proud boy们打死你就像打死一只狗一样。华人支持proud boy的不是傻就是蠢
Second that!
又一个不懂英文的带节奏的？
原文前面别人已经贴出来了，还翻译成中文了。
你们是看不懂英文，还是看不懂中文？
真以为美国高院的都是文盲，不如你们这帮华人大妈？
简直搞笑了。
我还无法理解弱智是怎么选上的呢？
那请问拥枪大叔，不是为了保护自己和家人才坚决拥枪的嘛？为啥要叫assaulted rifle不叫protection rifle啊
好多福音派都是从小生活在这种环境里没办法，信不信由不得他们，长大了见识到外面的世界才逃离
川普让福音派失去了两代年轻人，怪不得要抓紧控制女人的子宫生小韭菜呢
“assault rifle”是你们反枪人士给起的名字，我们只称“AR”，
Assault rifle 的正经定义可不是AR-15. AR也不是Assault Rifle的缩写！
这些年管AR-15 叫 assault rifle 的就是如你这般的民主党大喇嘛，试图通过混淆名称让AR-15 显得更邪恶而已
民主党大喇嘛还试图管普通的半自动手枪叫 assault pistol，一个道理
俺用AR15 家防，所以俺管它叫defensive rifle!
The House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the Capitol is expected to stage six public hearings in June。
你当然不信啦，也不懂啥叫Source protection
不知道啊，哪有枪击案这么有名呢
这哪儿跟哪儿啊。assault rifles， 中文叫突击步枪，源于Sturmgewehr，是有官方定义的：
short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges
AR-15 是M-16 的民用版，市场上的只有半自动，严格说不符合selective Fire 这个定义。但是加个kit 很容易变成全自动，其他也都符合定义，所以平时叫assault rifle 也不算离谱。
实在看不下去了，您这是又蠢又坏现身说法？
执法不严就不该立法了吗？因噎废食有木有？听说德州执法很严，能不能敢为天下先，给那些执法不严的shithole蓝州们树立个控枪的榜样？
再说立法是要禁所有枪吗？您老威慑甚至杀几个犯罪分子用得到AR-15和AK-47吗？
你自己先研究一下AR-15这个名字的由来再说吧。
什么时候一次枪击打死2千人再来考虑控枪能不能成功。
两个字形容Cruz这一类人：自私
四个字形容：极端自私
六个字形容：极端自私主义
十九个字形容：我自有我的诺亚方舟，哪管别人那里洪水滔天
又蠢又坏正是你自己。
理解能力太低下，
还说别人是因噎废食。
我怎么这么喜欢Ted Cruz呢？直指问题核心，揭露虚伪左派。
不就是armalite 吗， 又不是啥稀罕东西。这么神秘干啥。说实在的本地华人不说一半有，四分之一总是有的。春田恩菲尔德莫辛纳甘都也都有人带出去打靶。
我一家大小都是支持限枪的有枪族。如果有了限枪的法律，我们双手支持。没有法律之前，那别人有我们也得有。
晒个家伙，看得出型号吗。一会儿删。
现在也是有控枪的，比如你能买到坦克，战斗机，原子弹吗？
哪怕是加强背景调查，像drive license 那样要求持枪者有完全的操控枪支的能力也会减少类似的事情发生。
you are sick, your brain is dead, that's all i can say...
你们这些人就靠无逻辑没头脑行走江湖么？ 我们在这讨论的枪击案 是合法买到的！
这个论坛里被左派洗脑的人太多了，我支持Ted的理念
我不同意。Ted大多数法案都代表了有common sense 的普通人的心声。反对Ted的，是被洗脑的左派
民主党一手遮天了？可以控制司法了？大笑话啊
不说美国的制度最大优势是可以纠错吗？难道这么多massive shooting不算错？还是无法纠错？
你咋不说原子弹可以杀几十万人？ 门槛一样吗？在中国搞到一把枪的门槛和在美国搞到一把枪的门槛一样吗？ 在中国你弄把ar15，前脚刚付钱后脚就给线人卖给警察了
nra大概是最贱最无耻的组织了
真幼稚
👍👍
这话还是用在你自己身上吧。
美国大众的诉求是把枪支管理的严一些，让那些有“危险因素”的人拿到致命武器的可能性小一些， 总是有人 把它变成 没有半点商量余地的事情。
你如果 是合法好人，你想有枪我不反对，你能保证其他人都如你一样靠谱吗？要知道，每个人都有生气，发怒的时候。此时你手边的致命武器，会夺去生命的，可能是别人，可能是你自己。
另外，死于枪下的人，一多半是自杀， 只有不到2%是阻止别人犯罪的。祝你管好自己还有你的枪，不要成为那60%中的一个。还有管好你的孩子，不要把别人害到。如果旁边有别人“拥枪自卫”，你们就good luck 吧！ 数据来源：prevent firearm suicide 官网。 我是好心劝告。
对， 就是要 改变立法，减少 危险的人拿到枪的可能性， 就算是减少50%，也是很多人生命的挽救。
我没有什么派， 我也不是什么党
眼前的两个党都是两坨狗屎 我不在乎你是属于哪一坨的。
如下的诉求 就是common sense,虽然我也不完全同意，比如第一条，限制在25岁之后更好！
不同意。 此人其他的法案我不去株连探讨，根本不是此文关注的范围。
这里咱们讨论枪支暴力的问题， 此人的主张极端可耻。 你支持Ted , 先想想自己有没有被洗脑吧
同意！