昨天晚上为小谷和Nathan叫好，今天早上看了篇文章觉得写的还挺中肯的。正文在下面。 总之，一代代的运动员都是被类似长相的前人的成就所感染而参与这项运动的 花滑曾经在美国白人里很火，后来没什么人了，最近十几年好多华裔日裔等亚裔参加 为什么是这个少数民族而不是黑墨穆这类的呢？因为亚裔有钱，原因投资在自己的孩子上学这些个 当年花滑是白人的世界 早期的亚裔必须学会迎合白人的目光还被叫成exotic doll 现在的亚裔努力embrace自己的文化 越来越有自信了 美国国内的racism和这两年的anti asian violence对他们有不好的影响 但是他们努力克服 加州是这些人的大本营 现在的工作语言是mandarin 不过Nathan的中文有待提高 😄 PS gosh 怎么这么篇挺好的文章也能引得两帮打这么多帖子，我很喜欢作者讲花滑亚裔运动员历史背景，像Tiffany Chin和Kristi Yamaguchi都是最近才听说的，关颖珊是小时候知道的，但是没想到还有这几个。 如果想认真打架，各派的，去NYT留言吧，看看多少人挺你的留言 🤭 还有这里那么多ID，有本事别在这里中文圈子里骂街，赶紧去NYT or Fox投几个稿子，或者推推孩子的写作，多多发声，或左或右，至少不当哑裔对不对？ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/sports/olympics/figure-skating-chen-asian-americans.html The Asian American Pipeline in Figure Skating The chain of success stretches back for years and has only strengthened as more have poured into the sport and become Olympic stars. Credit... Photographs by Gabriela Bhaskar
By Andrew Keh Feb. 8, 2022 Updated 9:37 a.m. ET BEIJING — Tiffany Chin scanned the arena at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships last month and marveled at how things had changed. Chin won the national title in 1985. She was a happy-go-lucky teenager back then, but savvy enough to realize that the winners who had come before her had not looked like her, that few people in the rinks where she skated ever did. The scene last month was different. Asian American skaters populated the singles and pairs and ice dancing competitions. They appeared up and down the standings in the senior and junior contests. And by the end of the week, they filled the roster of the Olympic team. For the second consecutive Winter Games, four of the six figure skaters who arrived to represent the United States in the singles events were Asian American: Karen Chen, Nathan Chen, Alysa Liu and Vincent Zhou. A fifth Asian American skater, Madison Chock, is competing in the ice dancing event. “There are so many,” Chin said. “And that is so exciting.” Image The United States, with Karen Chen, Nathan Chen and Madison Chock, won silver in the team event. (Vincent Zhou was not at the ceremony because he tested positive for the coronavirus.)Credit... Chang W. Lee/The New York Times In the United States, a country where Asians and sports are not often intertwined in the popular imagination, figure skating is now plainly an Asian American sport. Asians make up around seven percent of the American population but have become vividly overrepresented in ice rinks and competitions at every level, from coast to coast. Gradually, they have transformed a sport that, until the 1990s, was almost uniformly white. They have infused competitions with music that draws from their Asian heritage, bolstered a pipeline that could solidify their hold on the sport and, in a climate of anxiety about anti-Asian violence, navigated the perils of hate on social media while insisting on expressing their roots. “I think representation is really important,” said Nathan Chen, a Chinese American who was also a member of the Olympic team in 2018, when seven of the 14 skaters were Asian American. “So to continue seeing faces that kind of look like yours on TV doing really cool things, I think, is still useful to a young kid.” Editors’ Picks Did the First Americans Arrive via Land Bridge? This Geneticist Says No. Is This What Winning Looks Like? As Baseball Fights Over the Short Term, Long-Term Problems Loom Amid the various factors behind this phenomenon, almost every Asian American skater mentions being inspired by a chain of early pioneers. Image Tiffany Chin won the singles event at the 1985 U.S. Figure Skating championships.Credit... Bettmann/Getty Images Chin provided such a spark for Kristi Yamaguchi, four years her junior, who recalled watching Chin whenever she came to the Bay Area, where Yamaguchi grew up, marveling at her technique and even asking once for her autograph. Explore the Games Measuring the Medals: Which country is doing best might depend on who’s counting — and how. Olympians and Fear: What scares the most daring Winter Olympians? Three dozen athletes opened up about their fears. Rivalries to Watch: Many events in Beijing will be decided by a showdown between two top contenders. Slopestyle Breakdown: Zoi Sadowski-Synnott landed “the best run of my life” to win gold. Here’s how she pulled it off. “I always looked up to her,” said Yamaguchi, a two-time world champion, who became a household name after winning a gold medal at the 1992 Games. “There was definitely that kinship, that inherent connection, because she is Asian American.” Liu, 16, a two-time U.S. champion, began skating, in part, because her father, Arthur Liu, had become such a big fan of Michelle Kwan — a two-time Olympic medalist (1998, 2002), five-time world champion and nine-time national champion — after immigrating to the United States from China three decades ago. “I watched figure skating all the time,” he said. “When I had Alysa, my office was two blocks away from the Oakland Ice Center, and I figured, let’s see if she likes it.” In some ways, it has seemed like a matter of being in the right place at the right time. The success of Yamaguchi and Kwan came at a time when figure skating was near the peak of its popularity in the United States (it has faded considerably since then) and on the heels of a surge in new rinks around the country. Image Michelle Kwan performing her short program at the 1998 Nagano Games.Credit... Chang W. Lee/The New York Times Chin, Yamaguchi and Kwan all grew up in California, and the state, with its considerable Asian population, remains a center of gravity for the sport today. Karen Chen, Chock, Liu and Zhou, for instance, were all born in California. When Kwan opened an ice rink in Artesia, Calif., in 2005, it quickly became a magnet for Asian families from the area. Chin, who coaches now in Southern California, said around 40 percent of her pupils were Asian. And Californians are not only representing America: Zhu Yi (also known as Beverly Zhu), who is from Los Angeles, is competing for China this year after winning the U.S. novice title in 2018. Live Updates: Beijing Olympics Updated Feb. 8, 2022, 7:44 a.m. ET 2 hours ago 2 hours ago The U.S. speedskater Casey Dawson makes it to Beijing but loses his race. For two luge athletes, the race isn’t about a chance at a medal. At the Olympics, a first day of no positive coronavirus tests among new arrivals. Other explanations — that Asians excel because they tend to have smaller bodies or because their parents are demanding, so-called tiger parents — are often floated, including by some Asian Americans, but experts tend to dismiss such theories outright. “Every race has body types that would be successful in figure skating,” said Christina Chin, who teaches a sports sociology course at Cal State Fullerton. “It’s the cultural acceptance, the societal pressures or opportunities, the structural forces and institutions that make it possible.” People do tend to agree on one factor in explaining why Asian Americans have broken through in figure skating, while other minority groups in the United States have not: Figure skating is expensive, and East Asians, as an immigrant group, have the highest average household income in the country. Asians have long struggled with a lack of representation in American popular culture. For these skaters, then, seeing elements of themselves mirrored in top athletes could be a soul-stirring experience. Image Mirai Nagasu’s score wowed fans at the 2018 U.S. Figure Skating championships.Credit... Chang W. Lee/The New York Times Mirai Nagasu, a former national champion and two-time Olympian (2010, 2018), grew up working at her parents’ Japanese restaurant, where they eked out enough money to pay for her lessons. Nagasu laughed remembering how much it meant to her, as a young skater, to learn that Kwan’s parents had owned a restaurant, too. (Chin’s parents also owned a Chinese restaurant, and Liu’s father worked in one before she was born.) Naomi Nari Nam, who won a silver medal at the 1999 national championships, noted that the rise of Asian American participation had also coincided with the success of skaters from East Asia, like Yuna Kim of South Korea. “When I started skating, I was the one out of two Asian skaters in my rink, in Costa Mesa, Calif.,” said Nam, whose success led to an appearance on “The Tonight Show” at age 13 and a run of television appearances and commercials in Korea. “I coach now in Lakewood, Calif., and around 90 percent of my clientele is Asian or half Asian.” Still, the sport was not always accommodating to them. When Chin skated, she was often called “China Doll” by commentators and journalists. Articles from the time refer to her “porcelain complexion” and “Oriental roots.” She was called a “siamese cat” and “unemotional” and an “exotic beauty.” Nam was placed in an etiquette class by her coach so she could learn how to interact with the predominantly white officials and judges who could decide her fate in skating. “He knew that it was a different culture,” Nam said. Skaters said that while explicit racism inside figure skating felt rare, many acknowledged that they received racist comments on social media. Alysa Liu learned over time to tune out harassing messages. But some incidents, in a time when violence and hate against Asian Americans has increased, have been harder to ignore. Liu, who has spoken about her growing awareness of social issues, called her father one recent night, struggling to sleep after reading about the shooting of a 71-year-old Chinese man in Chicago. Image Alysa Liu training in Oakland, Calif.Credit... Jim Wilson/The New York Times “She was crying,” Arthur Liu said. “Crying hard.” At the 2018 Games, Nagasu’s excitement over becoming the first American woman to land a triple axel in Olympic competition was muted by a viral tweet from a columnist for the opinion section at The New York Times who wrote, “Immigrants: They get the job done,” based on a line from “Hamilton.” Nagasu, who was born in Montebello, Calif., had declined to comment on it then. But in an interview last month she said, “It was not appropriate.” Over time, Asian American skaters have become more comfortable publicly asserting their identities. At the 2018 Games, Nathan Chen wore an outfit from the Chinese American designer Vera Wang and skated to the music of “Mao’s Last Dancer,” a 2009 film about the Chinese ballet dancer Li Cunxin. Karen Chen, who took Chinese dance classes as a child, has incorporated traditional fans and other Chinese objects into show numbers. She has been skating this season to “The Butterfly Lovers’ Violin Concerto,” which she called “a Chinese classic.” “I think my ethnicity and cultural background has a huge impact on me as a person, even in skating,” she said. “It’s stuff that inspires me, and it does make me proud of who I am and who I’ve become.” Image Karen Chen placed fifth in the women’s short program of the team event at the Beijing Games.Credit... Gabriela Bhaskar/The New York Times Image Vincent Zhou competed in the men’s free skate in the team event in Beijing. The U.S. won silver.Credit... Gabriela Bhaskar/The New York Times Zhou, who had to withdraw from the Games on Monday after testing positive for the coronavirus, has skated exhibition performances to the music of Joji, a pop singer from Japan, and last week skated in the team event to the theme from the 2000 Ang Lee film “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.” “Everybody is celebrating Chinese New Year right now,” Zhou said. “It’s the Year of the Tiger, and I was born in the Year of the Dragon, so it’s kind of perfect.” As a group, these skaters have enjoyed a kind of hidden comfort zone on the team, a calmness afforded by not being the Only One. Zhou’s mother has become known for inviting the skaters over to her place for home cooking. Karen Chen said she had meaningful conversations with Nathan Chen about managing the pressure and expectations of immigrant parents, about addressing mental health in a community in which it is not often prioritized. (Studies regularly show Asian Americans, as a racial group, are among the least likely in this country to seek mental health services.) More lightheartedly, Karen Chen pointed out that all four Asian American singles skaters on the team spoke Mandarin, at varying levels of proficiency. She had been brushing up before arriving here. “I think Nathan’s Chinese is the worst,” she said, laughing. “I can say confidently that’s one thing I am better than Nathan at.” Juliet Macur contributed reporting. Nathan Chen’s extraordinary performance sets a world record. Feb. 8, 2022 Vincent Zhou Is Out of Men''''''''s Figure Skating Competition After Positive Covid Test Feb. 6, 2022 Andrew Keh is a sports reporter in New York covering the Olympic Games. He was previously an international correspondent based in Berlin and has reported from more than 25 countries. @andrewkeh
多生很难。愿意这么培养，结果就不可能多生。 小朋友们都这么自信了，父母这一辈要跟上。看看这儿得留言，有得担心亚裔被看作priviliged, 有的担心说中文让别的种族不适。 真是一群弱鸡。 只有强大了，才会有人开始关注亚裔，政治家们才会愿意考虑你的利益，当然随之而来的就会有不好听的声音出现。Be the change and frame the optics. 从政治正确的角度去回复不好听的声音。抱着树大招风的想法在美国是行不通的
原文在这里，你看到的是说华裔多穷吗？我看到的是他们有餐馆，所以有钱付学费。 People do tend to agree on one factor in explaining why Asian Americans have broken through in figure skating, while other minority groups in the United States have not: Figure skating is expensive, and East Asians, as an immigrant group, have the highest average household income in the country. Asians have long struggled with a lack of representation in American popular culture. For these skaters, then, seeing elements of themselves mirrored in top athletes could be a soul-stirring experience. Mirai Nagasu, a former national champion and two-time Olympian (2010, 2018), grew up working at her parents’ Japanese restaurant, where they eked out enough money to pay for her lessons. Nagasu laughed remembering how much it meant to her, as a young skater, to learn that Kwan’s parents had owned a restaurant, too. (Chin’s parents also owned a Chinese restaurant, and Liu’s father worked in one before she was born.)
“and East Asians, as an immigrant group, have the highest average household income in the country.” 明明是Indian 啊。 “At the 2018 Games, Nagasu’s excitement over becoming the first American woman to land a triple axel in Olympic competition was muted by a viral tweet from a columnist for the opinion section at The New York Times who wrote, “Immigrants: They get the job done,” 这个和Michelle 当年遇到的一样，就是说你不是100% American， you will never be. 这也是为什么亚二代在种族问题上和一代有那么多分歧了。我们觉得不重要，或者我们感觉不到的事，二代感到的都是刺，“凭什么对我和别人不一样？“
原文在这里，你看到的是说华裔多穷吗？我看到的是他们有餐馆，所以有钱付学费。 People do tend to agree on one factor in explaining why Asian Americans have broken through in figure skating, while other minority groups in the United States have not: Figure skating is expensive, and East Asians, as an immigrant group, have the highest average household income in the country. Asians have long struggled with a lack of representation in American popular culture. For these skaters, then, seeing elements of themselves mirrored in top athletes could be a soul-stirring experience. Mirai Nagasu, a former national champion and two-time Olympian (2010, 2018), grew up working at her parents’ Japanese restaurant, where they eked out enough money to pay for her lessons. Nagasu laughed remembering how much it meant to her, as a young skater, to learn that Kwan’s parents had owned a restaurant, too. (Chin’s parents also owned a Chinese restaurant, and Liu’s father worked in one before she was born.)
掰叨叨 发表于 2022-02-08 11:15
“eked out enough money to pay for her lessons"本身就是在强调经济条件不怎么样，上课的钱是得计划计划才能拿出来的
回复 53楼bellamia的帖子 我不同意这是个privilege. 下面是我查的定义： What does it mean to feel privileged? Someone who is privileged has an advantage or opportunity that most other people do not have, often because of their wealth or connections with powerful people. They were, by and large, a very wealthy, privileged elite. 学体育的亚裔父母绝对不是very wealthy, privileged elite. 恰恰相反，作为亚裔，我们在美国的社会地位和政治地位是及其低的，close to zero social connection and we are all on our own. 我们的经济地位相对于我们的付出也是极其低的。 We do well because we, as an individual or a family, always put maximum efforts into any task.
回复 53楼bellamia的帖子 我不同意这是个privilege. 下面是我查的定义： What does it mean to feel privileged? Someone who is privileged has an advantage or opportunity that most other people do not have, often because of their wealth or connections with powerful people. They were, by and large, a very wealthy, privileged elite. 学体育的亚裔父母绝对不是very wealthy, privileged elite. 恰恰相反，作为亚裔，我们在美国的社会地位和政治地位是及其低的，close to zero social connection and we are all on our own. 我们的经济地位相对于我们的付出也是极其低的。 We do well because we, as an individual or a family, always put maximum efforts into any task. ecoc 发表于 2022-02-08 12:21
原文在这里，你看到的是说华裔多穷吗？我看到的是他们有餐馆，所以有钱付学费。 People do tend to agree on one factor in explaining why Asian Americans have broken through in figure skating, while other minority groups in the United States have not: Figure skating is expensive, and East Asians, as an immigrant group, have the highest average household income in the country. Asians have long struggled with a lack of representation in American popular culture. For these skaters, then, seeing elements of themselves mirrored in top athletes could be a soul-stirring experience. Mirai Nagasu, a former national champion and two-time Olympian (2010, 2018), grew up working at her parents’ Japanese restaurant, where they eked out enough money to pay for her lessons. Nagasu laughed remembering how much it meant to her, as a young skater, to learn that Kwan’s parents had owned a restaurant, too. (Chin’s parents also owned a Chinese restaurant, and Liu’s father worked in one before she was born.)
回复 53楼bellamia的帖子 我不同意这是个privilege. 下面是我查的定义： What does it mean to feel privileged? Someone who is privileged has an advantage or opportunity that most other people do not have, often because of their wealth or connections with powerful people. They were, by and large, a very wealthy, privileged elite. 学体育的亚裔父母绝对不是very wealthy, privileged elite. 恰恰相反，作为亚裔，我们在美国的社会地位和政治地位是及其低的，close to zero social connection and we are all on our own. 我们的经济地位相对于我们的付出也是极其低的。 We do well because we, as an individual or a family, always put maximum efforts into any task. ecoc 发表于 2022-02-08 12:21
穷人请不起教练学滑冰，还不是opportunity most others do not have吗？美国家庭收入median是6万，不是华人上动辄半米
总之，一代代的运动员都是被类似长相的前人的成就所感染而参与这项运动的 花滑曾经在美国白人里很火，后来没什么人了，最近十几年好多华裔日裔等亚裔参加 为什么是这个少数民族而不是黑墨穆这类的呢？因为亚裔有钱，原因投资在自己的孩子上学这些个 当年花滑是白人的世界 早期的亚裔必须学会迎合白人的目光还被叫成exotic doll 现在的亚裔努力embrace自己的文化 越来越有自信了 美国国内的racism和这两年的anti asian violence对他们有不好的影响 但是他们努力克服 加州是这些人的大本营 现在的工作语言是mandarin 不过Nathan的中文有待提高 😄
PS gosh 怎么这么篇挺好的文章也能引得两帮打这么多帖子，我很喜欢作者讲花滑亚裔运动员历史背景，像Tiffany Chin和Kristi Yamaguchi都是最近才听说的，关颖珊是小时候知道的，但是没想到还有这几个。 如果想认真打架，各派的，去NYT留言吧，看看多少人挺你的留言 🤭
还有这里那么多ID，有本事别在这里中文圈子里骂街，赶紧去NYT or Fox投几个稿子，或者推推孩子的写作，多多发声，或左或右，至少不当哑裔对不对？
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/sports/olympics/figure-skating-chen-asian-americans.html
The Asian American Pipeline in Figure Skating The chain of success stretches back for years and has only strengthened as more have poured into the sport and become Olympic stars. Credit...
Photographs by Gabriela Bhaskar
“There are so many,” Chin said. “And that is so exciting.”
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Chang W. Lee/The New York Times In the United States, a country where Asians and sports are not often intertwined in the popular imagination, figure skating is now plainly an Asian American sport. Asians make up around seven percent of the American population but have become vividly overrepresented in ice rinks and competitions at every level, from coast to coast. Gradually, they have transformed a sport that, until the 1990s, was almost uniformly white. They have infused competitions with music that draws from their Asian heritage, bolstered a pipeline that could solidify their hold on the sport and, in a climate of anxiety about anti-Asian violence, navigated the perils of hate on social media while insisting on expressing their roots. “I think representation is really important,” said Nathan Chen, a Chinese American who was also a member of the Olympic team in 2018, when seven of the 14 skaters were Asian American. “So to continue seeing faces that kind of look like yours on TV doing really cool things, I think, is still useful to a young kid.” Editors’ Picks
Amid the various factors behind this phenomenon, almost every Asian American skater mentions being inspired by a chain of early pioneers.
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Bettmann/Getty Images Chin provided such a spark for Kristi Yamaguchi, four years her junior, who recalled watching Chin whenever she came to the Bay Area, where Yamaguchi grew up, marveling at her technique and even asking once for her autograph.
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Chin, Yamaguchi and Kwan all grew up in California, and the state, with its considerable Asian population, remains a center of gravity for the sport today. Karen Chen, Chock, Liu and Zhou, for instance, were all born in California. When Kwan opened an ice rink in Artesia, Calif., in 2005, it quickly became a magnet for Asian families from the area. Chin, who coaches now in Southern California, said around 40 percent of her pupils were Asian. And Californians are not only representing America: Zhu Yi (also known as Beverly Zhu), who is from Los Angeles, is competing for China this year after winning the U.S. novice title in 2018. Live Updates: Beijing Olympics Updated Feb. 8, 2022, 7:44 a.m. ET 2 hours ago 2 hours ago
The U.S. speedskater Casey Dawson makes it to Beijing but loses his race. For two luge athletes, the race isn’t about a chance at a medal. At the Olympics, a first day of no positive coronavirus tests among new arrivals. Other explanations — that Asians excel because they tend to have smaller bodies or because their parents are demanding, so-called tiger parents — are often floated, including by some Asian Americans, but experts tend to dismiss such theories outright. “Every race has body types that would be successful in figure skating,” said Christina Chin, who teaches a sports sociology course at Cal State Fullerton. “It’s the cultural acceptance, the societal pressures or opportunities, the structural forces and institutions that make it possible.” People do tend to agree on one factor in explaining why Asian Americans have broken through in figure skating, while other minority groups in the United States have not: Figure skating is expensive, and East Asians, as an immigrant group, have the highest average household income in the country. Asians have long struggled with a lack of representation in American popular culture. For these skaters, then, seeing elements of themselves mirrored in top athletes could be a soul-stirring experience.
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Mirai Nagasu, a former national champion and two-time Olympian (2010, 2018), grew up working at her parents’ Japanese restaurant, where they eked out enough money to pay for her lessons. Nagasu laughed remembering how much it meant to her, as a young skater, to learn that Kwan’s parents had owned a restaurant, too. (Chin’s parents also owned a Chinese restaurant, and Liu’s father worked in one before she was born.) Naomi Nari Nam, who won a silver medal at the 1999 national championships, noted that the rise of Asian American participation had also coincided with the success of skaters from East Asia, like Yuna Kim of South Korea. “When I started skating, I was the one out of two Asian skaters in my rink, in Costa Mesa, Calif.,” said Nam, whose success led to an appearance on “The Tonight Show” at age 13 and a run of television appearances and commercials in Korea. “I coach now in Lakewood, Calif., and around 90 percent of my clientele is Asian or half Asian.” Still, the sport was not always accommodating to them. When Chin skated, she was often called “China Doll” by commentators and journalists. Articles from the time refer to her “porcelain complexion” and “Oriental roots.” She was called a “siamese cat” and “unemotional” and an “exotic beauty.” Nam was placed in an etiquette class by her coach so she could learn how to interact with the predominantly white officials and judges who could decide her fate in skating. “He knew that it was a different culture,” Nam said. Skaters said that while explicit racism inside figure skating felt rare, many acknowledged that they received racist comments on social media. Alysa Liu learned over time to tune out harassing messages. But some incidents, in a time when violence and hate against Asian Americans has increased, have been harder to ignore. Liu, who has spoken about her growing awareness of social issues, called her father one recent night, struggling to sleep after reading about the shooting of a 71-year-old Chinese man in Chicago.
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“She was crying,” Arthur Liu said. “Crying hard.” At the 2018 Games, Nagasu’s excitement over becoming the first American woman to land a triple axel in Olympic competition was muted by a viral tweet from a columnist for the opinion section at The New York Times who wrote, “Immigrants: They get the job done,” based on a line from “Hamilton.” Nagasu, who was born in Montebello, Calif., had declined to comment on it then. But in an interview last month she said, “It was not appropriate.” Over time, Asian American skaters have become more comfortable publicly asserting their identities. At the 2018 Games, Nathan Chen wore an outfit from the Chinese American designer Vera Wang and skated to the music of “Mao’s Last Dancer,” a 2009 film about the Chinese ballet dancer Li Cunxin. Karen Chen, who took Chinese dance classes as a child, has incorporated traditional fans and other Chinese objects into show numbers. She has been skating this season to “The Butterfly Lovers’ Violin Concerto,” which she called “a Chinese classic.” “I think my ethnicity and cultural background has a huge impact on me as a person, even in skating,” she said. “It’s stuff that inspires me, and it does make me proud of who I am and who I’ve become.”
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Zhou, who had to withdraw from the Games on Monday after testing positive for the coronavirus, has skated exhibition performances to the music of Joji, a pop singer from Japan, and last week skated in the team event to the theme from the 2000 Ang Lee film “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.” “Everybody is celebrating Chinese New Year right now,” Zhou said. “It’s the Year of the Tiger, and I was born in the Year of the Dragon, so it’s kind of perfect.”
As a group, these skaters have enjoyed a kind of hidden comfort zone on the team, a calmness afforded by not being the Only One. Zhou’s mother has become known for inviting the skaters over to her place for home cooking. Karen Chen said she had meaningful conversations with Nathan Chen about managing the pressure and expectations of immigrant parents, about addressing mental health in a community in which it is not often prioritized. (Studies regularly show Asian Americans, as a racial group, are among the least likely in this country to seek mental health services.) More lightheartedly, Karen Chen pointed out that all four Asian American singles skaters on the team spoke Mandarin, at varying levels of proficiency. She had been brushing up before arriving here. “I think Nathan’s Chinese is the worst,” she said, laughing. “I can say confidently that’s one thing I am better than Nathan at.” Juliet Macur contributed reporting.
Nathan Chen’s extraordinary performance sets a world record. Feb. 8, 2022
Vincent Zhou Is Out of Men''''''''s Figure Skating Competition After Positive Covid Test Feb. 6, 2022 Andrew Keh is a sports reporter in New York covering the Olympic Games. He was previously an international correspondent based in Berlin and has reported from more than 25 countries. @andrewkeh
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每次看到左右对比我就觉得很搞笑。左派是利益分配问题。右派是种族问题。拎不清的非要说左派也是种族主义。其实右派宣扬的种族主义挑战的是你的存在。看不到这个就太小农意识了。 天天看着升学这个一亩三分地，而看不到美国种族问题的严重性，想想都觉得又可怜又可恨。
经常遇到西裔在一起说西裔，不知道他们担心不担心其他人觉得被排挤了。再说我很怀疑这些ABC平时在一起会说中文，周围的ABC娃一起玩都是说英语。
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然后看到Vincent的眼袋，完全相信他说的：冰场灯都关了，他还在练
唉 无解 昨天想了下为什么美国很少有黑墨穆在冰面上 道理一样 大部分练花滑的家里都要有点积蓄吧 虽然成名了会有sponsorship 但是最初几年不都是家长使劲砸钱么 亚裔就是愿意为孩子付出最多 那应该怎么写才对呢？
实话实说就挺对的，钱又不是偷来的。 而且花在美国人的教育上，又没花在毒品上。 刚才看到谷的记者会，很直白。她就说没必要跟受教育程度不够的人浪费时间，不在一个理解线上。
怎么会有你这种怎么都能负能量的人。事实是越来越多强大自信的亚裔才能给我们带来正面的影响和社会地位。
这怎么算privileged呢？不劳而获的才能算privileged，不是所有有钱 有权家的孩子 肯吃这个苦的。
你知道啥叫privileged嘛，藤校的legacy录取是，拜登儿子那种鬼画符一样的画可以卖几十万是，但是搞竞技体育的绝对不是，因为体育是最做不得假的。
不是因为亚裔家长有钱，而是亚裔家长愿意培养孩子，愿意把钱和精力花在孩子身上，我看过Vincent妈妈的采访，妈妈辞职专门陪Vincent训练，而且一家人分隔两个地方，爸爸和女儿住北加州，妈妈和Vincent住南加州，说他们最开始租的房子有蟑螂和老鼠，因为开车参加比赛的时间很长，小孩做作业，吃饭，有时候睡觉都在车上，这不是一天两天，是十多年的坚持。某些族裔，你说他们穷吧，他们都有最新的iPhone和球鞋，人家的关注点不一样。
你这话说得有道理，但是竞技体育尤其是team sports，里面人为因素太多了。花滑亚裔出头是因为身体条件特别适合，就这样还要特别被人写文强调一下pipeline。
亚裔自己肯定不觉得自己privileged, 但是媒体宣传给大众的印象就不一定了
这篇文章写的就是亚裔既穷又愿意投资孩子啊。 不是反复说了吗，那些家长好多是打餐馆工的，孩子也得干。
这楼的讨论是没读全文吧。
为啥黑人篮球田径好就是基因，亚裔花滑技巧类的好就是钱堆出来的？
那怎么要记者写呀，亚裔就是牛，就是分数高，和俄罗斯统治女单一样，和中国统治跳水乒乓一样，恰恰美国的就是华裔多说的也是中文，要是强让他们说英文算racism，要是要更多的族裔分数上不去。
但是说中国是因为家长我觉得也有一定误导，中国的家长大都受过很好的教育，或愿意为自己孩子投资也是因为有一定的经济基础。试想想很多中底层的美国中产，真的没钱搞这个，我认识现实生活中花滑的都是家里有一定资产的。不然连首付都拿不出来的，谁会bet所有在一个孩子身上，那才叫赌徒心态呢。想想去年网球的中英混血Emma的对手，就是那个有点菲律宾血统的，版上好多人嫌贫爱富的说辞真是有点mean
多生很难。愿意这么培养，结果就不可能多生。
小朋友们都这么自信了，父母这一辈要跟上。看看这儿得留言，有得担心亚裔被看作priviliged, 有的担心说中文让别的种族不适。 真是一群弱鸡。 只有强大了，才会有人开始关注亚裔，政治家们才会愿意考虑你的利益，当然随之而来的就会有不好听的声音出现。Be the change and frame the optics. 从政治正确的角度去回复不好听的声音。抱着树大招风的想法在美国是行不通的
当然要自信
至于孩子数目 看看Nathan 家里五个孩子，两个哥哥冰球两个姐姐花滑 Alyssa 家里也是五个孩子 Vincent 是两个还是三个 要是想推体育 至少得多点sample吧，不然就是运气好，生到小谷家 😄
原文在这里，你看到的是说华裔多穷吗？我看到的是他们有餐馆，所以有钱付学费。
People do tend to agree on one factor in explaining why Asian Americans have broken through in figure skating, while other minority groups in the United States have not: Figure skating is expensive, and East Asians, as an immigrant group, have the highest average household income in the country. Asians have long struggled with a lack of representation in American popular culture. For these skaters, then, seeing elements of themselves mirrored in top athletes could be a soul-stirring experience. Mirai Nagasu, a former national champion and two-time Olympian (2010, 2018), grew up working at her parents’ Japanese restaurant, where they eked out enough money to pay for her lessons. Nagasu laughed remembering how much it meant to her, as a young skater, to learn that Kwan’s parents had owned a restaurant, too. (Chin’s parents also owned a Chinese restaurant, and Liu’s father worked in one before she was born.)
“At the 2018 Games, Nagasu’s excitement over becoming the first American woman to land a triple axel in Olympic competition was muted by a viral tweet from a columnist for the opinion section at The New York Times who wrote, “Immigrants: They get the job done,” 这个和Michelle 当年遇到的一样，就是说你不是100% American， you will never be. 这也是为什么亚二代在种族问题上和一代有那么多分歧了。我们觉得不重要，或者我们感觉不到的事，二代感到的都是刺，“凭什么对我和别人不一样？“
正面影响当然好，不过努力+砸钱才能搞起来的项目，换个角度看的确坐实了privileged的言论， 与主流媒体时不时出一些亚裔平均收入高之类的文章是一个作用，都不知道他们是在夸还是在挖坑。
美国老百姓喜欢under dog，不像中国喜欢白富美高富帅。所以你看真正的富人阶层是绝不喜欢自己被塑造成有钱有资源的，都恨不得包装成开日本车喝可乐的屌丝。白人占了藤校legacy绝大多数名额，这种事也是不喜欢媒体爆出来的。这篇文章我们自己看了觉得没什么，美国路人的观感就是因为Asian收入高，在加州亚裔人口多资源多，所以他们的孩子在花滑界就over represented。里面很微妙的东西，看着确实不舒服。
这就是NYT的意图。再看NYT那篇写谷爱凌的文章，一个才18岁的小姑娘，各种明里暗里把她塑造成privileged且只爱钱不关心人权的亚裔形象。
然后看评论，仿佛以为回到国内论坛，一群自大傲慢的美国人说她判国，利用美国资源成长又代表其他国家，只认金钱支持专制，跟国内粉红完全有的一比。
完全同意，再看NYT那篇写谷爱凌的文章，更是阴阳怪气煽风点火，文章的评论一堆白左无脑骂她，说实话和国内当年骂何智丽有的一比。
“eked out enough money to pay for her lessons"本身就是在强调经济条件不怎么样，上课的钱是得计划计划才能拿出来的
因为篮球不需要花钱，街头公园挂个框就可以玩。跑步也不怎么需要花钱，所有还有非洲穷的没鞋穿的人夺冠。
花滑的费用一般家庭负担不起。当然白人priviliged的运动更多，比如需要马的，需要船的。同样打球，冰球就是需要家底的priviliged运动，和足球篮球很不一样。亚裔其实也就搞了些中产家庭倾囊而出的。白人觉得进入壁垒被打破，心中不爽吧。
但有些项目像冰球，田径，不太适合亚洲人，怎么推也没用
再参考CNN对亚裔花滑选手问人权问题，真的一不小心就到处是坑。这篇文章当然也是亚裔来写的，看完以后，个人努力没强调，家庭付出没强调，倒是特地说一下亚裔收入高，亚裔在花滑over represented。白人比我们有钱的多了去了，你们能上你们上啊。
这就很春秋了，前面刚说了东亚裔在美国收入最高，which is not true。
反观其他minorities，他们就是及时行乐，像之前有个妹子，没地住，住车里，但是还化妆，美甲，亚裔的文化就不是这样，肯定是不吃不喝先买个房，再说其他。
就是啊，这种文字敏感度，一代移民经常没有。华人也别老推孩子stem了，家里财务自由的推推写作和public speaking，拿一点话语权。别整天都是些这种华裔写文。
花滑的费用还好了。而且能滑到一定水平的，都是前期有投入，就是稍微有点家底的。真正花钱是孩子到处比赛，教练，服装要跟上，而赞助还没有到位的时候。当然我听说滑冰赞助很少。
关家家庭条件好像确实不好，但是也没有阻止她在花滑上停止。
我冰场遇到的人，只一次在一个外地冰场，一个单亲妈妈，跟我说孩子特别喜欢滑，但是她只能负担每周一节私课，后来孩子也一步一步考级，课后稍微教别的小孩子，高中生了，还在继续。她打好几份工，今年周末难得过来看孩子滑。
亚裔最该和犹太人学propaganda.
没用的，第二代到大学一样被白左洗脑，认为自己privileged，看看那个Yale的华女二代。
还是回到一句话，面对这样微妙的不好听的声音，你打算怎么回击? 像个鸵鸟一样在华人论坛上一而再， 再而三地自苦自怨，是没有任何用处地。 你能看得出这种文字的敏感度，最简单的反击就是写信给这个作者或者其他方式公开发声，美国社会有的是渠道发出你的声音。 还有一个是，在中国环境下长大的人，很不习惯听到负面地声音，华人强大了，负面地声音也会越来越大，这个就是西方社会自然的环境。怎么去面对这种负面的声音，无论是网络上还是现实生活中的，就是一个我们学习成长的过程，也是给下一代设立榜样的机会。还是一句话，只有心理真正的强大了，才不会去迎合这种负面的声音而质疑自己的文化，语言和家庭教育。
喜欢你回复每一个字，有些人的视线就是那么高！
我看wiki上说，她练到10岁时，为了维持滑冰的开销，家里就已经陷入财务困境，当时她父母都已经在打两份工，不过她妹妹同时也在练，家里房子也卖了。后面是拿到了赞助才继续下去。
但是一般同样财务水平的家庭，是不会在小孩身上投入那么多的。我觉得也是正常人的选择，不能责怪那些家庭对孩子不用心。
最基本的一点，直接在NYT文章后comment。
“亚洲人小脑控制力强这个算是公认的吧” 谁公认的？有什么数据来源吗？
根深蒂固的偏见和竞争心态。他们是绝不敢问为什么打篮球的那么多黑人。
真正的原因这个记者不敢说。因为亚裔以白为美。这是历史上就保留下来的传统
这是胡扯，稍微客观一点的原因可能是饮食习惯和能不能过发育关，控制体重对花滑选手来说是最关键的问题之一。
在回击之前第一步是明白什么是中肯，什么是眀褒暗贬。你怎么知道别人没有在社交媒体留言回击呢。觉得自己内心强大，这种负面的声音都不存在，是很正常的，甚至是中肯的，那才是鸵鸟。这和哪里长大没关系，在中国长大的人,对批评的接受度是很高的，也不讲政治正确，大概是太不玻璃心了，才觉得这种有针对性的东西是可以接受的，是中肯的。
我实话实说，背后有这样的父母，从孩子的角度来说的确是一种privilege，作为父母我自问做不到那样的个人牺牲，BUT，和这个privilege是一个package deal的是父母的期望（付出必然期待outcome，无一例外）和山大的压力，一周几十小时的训练，持续几年十几年。。。绝大多数最后也是一场空，这根本不是一条glamorous path，听说过有钱人家孩子苦练体育的吗？
骑马啊，有钱人包括盖茨的女儿都苦练马术，这更是个烧钱的运动。基本非富不能入场，我猜也应该很白。绝对不会有主流媒体文章来评论一下马术运动员的家庭收入和pipeline。
我不同意这是个privilege. 下面是我查的定义：
What does it mean to feel privileged? Someone who is privileged has an advantage or opportunity that most other people do not have, often because of their wealth or connections with powerful people. They were, by and large, a very wealthy, privileged elite.
学体育的亚裔父母绝对不是very wealthy, privileged elite. 恰恰相反，作为亚裔，我们在美国的社会地位和政治地位是及其低的，close to zero social connection and we are all on our own. 我们的经济地位相对于我们的付出也是极其低的。 We do well because we, as an individual or a family, always put maximum efforts into any task.
dedication，辞了职全职做司机照顾孩子陪练，这不是privilege是什么啊？作为亚裔，我没有觉得自己的社会地位低，也没有觉得我的努力和收获不匹配，但是我也不是那种拼尽一切的性格。。。。每个人有不同的感受很正常。
可能理解不一样吧。 我觉得大部分美国人的理解是移民开餐馆就是个脏累穷的低端工作。全家包括孩子都得干活。 而且”eked out”的意思是从牙缝里面挤出来的意思吧。
自恨的别拉上别人。自己撰文抒发感情去吧
没那么夸张，我邻居家女儿上大学之前一直骑马，贵但是不比花滑什么的更贵
Pipeline of athletes 是非常standard的用法。
Toyota 前些天采访视频他提到他妈妈开车带来往犹他，加州的Prius大概36万mile, 他去年母亲节发帖有和妈妈以及那辆旧车的图。他家一个他还是toddler 出境的床单他19岁喂狗狗吃西瓜的IG story 还出现过
Karen小时候被送回台湾祖父母家。他弟弟是冰舞选手。Karen从来没请过大牌编舞。不然表现力会更好。
Mirai 家也不算好。
说亚裔有钱所以扎堆花滑这个是不成立的
我家邻居也有马场，我们也骑马玩。骑马和养马的费用作为中产尚可支撑，要在中西部那就更省钱。但是要参加马术比赛，赛马的规格就上去了。更不用说travel，除了旅行费用，还要运马。平时马匹的医疗养护也很花钱。要参加马术比赛on average肯定是富裕家庭。我想说的是主流媒体的双标就是不会拿这些真正privileged家庭说事，也不会强掉他们怎么over represented。
昨天看到Vincent在ins上发的觉得心里替他难受，他说就怕covid影响比赛，一直尽可能与世隔绝的生活，就是身心都很受折磨，然而out of all the people，他居然还就是positive不能参赛了，一个运动员4年的努力啊就这么完了
over represented是什么standard用法吗？
穷人请不起教练学滑冰，还不是opportunity most others do not have吗？美国家庭收入median是6万，不是华人上动辄半米
你把privilege的定义无限延申，那我就没办法了。讨论总得有个基本的大家接受的定义。
社会地位最直接的反应就是你的话语权，别人在不在乎你的意见。你觉得地位很高就好。这个当然是个人的感受。 而且我要更正下， 南亚以印度为代表已经是很强大有影响力了，其实最惨的是东亚，尤其又以中国人为代表。所以后来我对亚裔细分这个事已经不大反对了。 看看fortune 500的CEO, 好多都是南亚的。
是的，邻居说比赛的服装一套就几千。。。anyways，女孩最后拿了U Kentucky 的奖学金挺好的，不过华人是看不上的了：））
要说Over represented，难道不是NBA吗？我记得又个Megyn Kelly的podcast就讲这个话题，挺有趣的
还有个亚裔Dinh Tran, 单亲妈妈带他，经济条件很差，前几年专门有他怎么struggle 的文章。
这篇文章空洞无物。倒是Karen时时刻刻总揭Nathan老底，干的好😂🤣
是的，亚裔父母就算收入不高，也是紧着给娃花钱花时间花精力，把自己的享受放在最后
华人最喜欢的马工是典型的有钱没有社会影响力的工种。英语讲不好都没有太大关系。
马工当然给世界创造价值，但是社会影响力和这个关系不大。是有多少人愿意听你的意见，有多少人需要你的社会关系。
这次退赛真的好可惜
我只能说，如果让你写，你怎么写呢？ Figure skating has a lot of Asian Americans. So many so many!
体育界很多over representation，美国传统冰雪项目除了花滑，从运动员，到教练裁判基本就是白人的天下。一副滑雪板多少钱，这些运动员恨不得一周换一块。近年体操多了很多黑人。体操其实也是很花钱的，entry level每年至少几千块的基本费用，然后比赛travel还要继续花。媒体写文还强调裁判和教练层面依然不够diversity。从白人到黑人，都不说over representation，花滑多了几个亚裔，就要写文强调我们over represented，而且东亚裔有钱。
让你看看别人怎么写的。亚裔就是个软柿子，还有人觉得捏得好捏得对。
这个表，印度裔收入很高啊，他们是 本身的问题，还是 人家 不推这个 ？是不是前者更多，印度裔 推 其他的，
印度人一直收入很高啊亲。人家其实不咋推体育，我知道的很多推spelling bee,只认识一个游泳的，一个网球课外班
那是因为黑人在体操只有9%。 看来作者没你牛，应该祭出underrepresented 大旗。
你要不要看看奥运会代表队里面多少个，还有各种elite队伍里面多少个。花样滑冰除了这几年这几个亚裔孩子，你来说说评委和教练里面有多少华裔？美国马术几乎全白，谁写文说他们over represented？
你写吧。。 还可以写个亚裔新闻大纲。 不可以提overpresented. 不可以提家里开餐馆。 不可以提东亚移民收入最高。 不可以提亚裔美国人收入最高。 还有什么？
有一对为了孩子可以倾尽所有的父母就叫Privilege？照这逻辑，对于生下来都不知道爹是谁的某些单亲家庭，大概认为只要父母健全就是privilege。
我不同意你说的辞职陪孩子是privilege，只是人家负担得起而已，当然privilege每个人理解也不一样。
你也许是运气好，也许是职场上打拼不够长，等你哪天知道什么是unconscious bias，你就理解自己有多少privilege了
你这种不遗余力地替他们justify的态度真是令人肃然起敬。我已经给你看了正常文章写成啥样，里面没有over representation也没有提收入，重点就是inspiration和participation。我竟不知道美国写手现在不提收入不说representation都不能写文章了呢。这篇文章里面说东亚裔移民收入最高本身就是错的，明明是印度裔收入最高。
那你去看NBA 一水儿黑
开始满地打滚了
很属实。。。
最受不了这种被白左洗脑、辩论不过又满地撒泼打滚的，给人感觉又蠢又low
顶这个
一套服装能穿好几次，但是养马是要专业马厩来伺候的，费用各地差异巨大。 我有个客户的女儿也是喜欢骑马，也是去了U Kentucky。他先是在纽约，养马太贵了，后来搬到Nashville，便宜了不少，再后来搬到Iowa，更便宜了，每个月养马费用从几千块(纽约)降到几百块(Iowa)。
也不一定是负担得起，只是选的priority不同罢了。
那只能说你很幸运。我从来感觉不到亚裔在美国有什么privilege。尤其在舆论上。
好的马十万以上，还要雇专人养马。
原来我指出开餐馆不是有钱，pipeline 是standard usage, 黑人没写overpresentation 是因为他们underrepresented,这些完全错误的指责是不遗余力得替“他们”justify.“他们”是谁？是这个abc作者吗？
我说了啊。你能写你上嘛。这样才能防止亚裔被抹黑啊。 我说了啊，有什么敏感词，我们讨论一下，这样我们以后避免啊。你为什么这么defensive我这不是说，既然你不喜欢我们讨论可以怎么做怎么写吗？
马的价格我就不清楚了，他只是跟我提到养马的开销各地差异巨大。这些马都是专业饲养和groom的，中西部比纽约要便宜很多。，
少想少琢磨，把眼一闭，一心推娃，娃参选了奥运会，心里怎么都舒服了😂