Now, when you go look for a doctor, you would look at where he went to school... But when you go to an interview at Facebook, really really nobody cares. The first round is always gonna be coding and see if it passes all the test cases... Nobody cares where you went to school. The money you spend at these "good" schools definitely NOT worth it buzhidao2022 发表于 2022-01-31 01:43
Disagreed! I think her success is the results of decent academic performance, top or very good private school, and she is a girl, plus the race card. 她的條件，幹嘛去拼州大？大學招生肯定對私校另眼看待的。公校要擠進藤或頂級私校，競爭大多了。
When you are from a good private (high) school, you already receive more attention or "benefit of doubt" in the college application process. Plus CalcTech and MIT prefer girls to boys, plus the proper use of the race card. That's how I see it.
When you are from a good private (high) school, you already receive more attention or "benefit of doubt" in the college application process. Plus CalcTech and MIT prefer girls to boys, plus the proper use of the race card. That's how I see it. mychina 发表于 2022-01-31 19:41
你的数据可能老了一点。看看MIT 自己2017年的研究数据： https://news.mit.edu/2017/mapping-gender-diversity-at-mit-1025 The big reveal is heartening: Over the past 20 years, MIT’s female undergraduate population has risen to nearly 50 percent of total enrollment and such growth has been sustained across almost every department and school.
你的数据可能老了一点。看看MIT 自己2017年的研究数据： https://news.mit.edu/2017/mapping-gender-diversity-at-mit-1025 The big reveal is heartening: Over the past 20 years, MIT’s female undergraduate population has risen to nearly 50 percent of total enrollment and such growth has been sustained across almost every department and school. happyyouni 发表于 2022-01-31 19:50
When you are from a good private (high) school, you already receive more attention or "benefit of doubt" in the college application process. Plus CalcTech and MIT prefer girls to boys, plus the proper use of the race card. That's how I see it. mychina 发表于 2022-01-31 19:41
如果你看specific year, number of men applicants vs number of men (accepted) vs number of men (enrolled), then you will see a different picture. For instance, CalTech 2020, male applicants = 6011, admitted 5%, enrolled = 2% of admitted. On the other hand, there are 2356 female applicants, 11% admitted ..... The details can be found here: https://www.collegeatlas.org/technology-institute-california.html#admissions-and-enrollment
To the contrary, I just want to share what I observe, not to discount what she said. The more information can be shared here, the more people can learn from it.
From my own experience, I think girls are having advantages over boys in those top schools. And I think private schools are given more weight than public school too. Mine graduated from public school, a very competitive public high school with over 70% asians, national rank is between 700-850. Her SAT is close to 1500. She spent average 4 hours a day doing homework and spent the rest of time doing sport. 7 days a week for many years. Now she is studying in a top private school and playing sport for the school. Most of her friends came from private schools. She was admitted when she was 11th grade. As an Asian, it would be very very hard to get into her school if there is no EC. That''''s why I said private school + girl + right colleges would make a difference. Edit: I am not sure how much her high school recommendation helps. The school reviewed her transcript. The coach endorsed her. That was it. We didn''''t meet AO, yes, there was an "interview" with an alumni. I suspect it was more a formality. She picked the school and we hardly invovled anything (except paying for the tranining for many years, lol).
From my own experience, I think girls are having advantages over boys in those top schools. And I think private schools are given more weight than public school too. Mine graduated from public school, a very competitive public high school with over 70% asians, national range is between 700-850. Her SAT is close to 1500. She spent average 4 hours a day doing homework and spent the rest of time doing sport. 7 days a week for many years. Now she is studying in a top private school and playing sport for the school. Most of her friends came from private schools. She was admitted when she was 11th grade. As an Asian, it would be very very hard to get into her school if there is no EC. That''''s why I said private school + girl + right colleges would make a difference. Edit: I am not sure how much her high school recommendation helps. The school reviewed her transcript. The coach endorsed her. That was it. We didn''''t meet AO, yes, there was an "interview" with an alumni. I suspect it was more a formality. She picked the school and we hardly invovled anything (except paying for the tranining for many years, lol). mychina 发表于 2022-01-31 21:44
那个楼主的女儿， 没什么优秀的。 就是性别对了。 我也是MIT出来的， 但我高中在中国读的书。 我那水平， 清华是做梦。 南京大学也基本没戏。 我如果在国内参加高考的话， 基本就是个苏州大学的水平。 但我考SAT II， 那是闭着眼睛满分的。 那个楼里， 说什么那女儿那样努力优秀， 进MIT要比进清华难多了。。 我他妈的差点没把吃的饭喷在screen上面。 2） 美国公司也要diversity， 所以我水平不行， 但找个公司混日子， 没什么的。 但我试图去国内公司找过马工工作。。 一个都找不到。 人家不care你的生殖器官是什么。 其实这也是美国长期在走下坡路的原因之一。 还有人上来发帖说， 什么学校很好的女医生， 把她的birth control ring给带反了什么的.. 这也是diversity的一个result。一个国家走下坡路， 就像一个人一天天在变老了一样， 总是慢慢的在creep， 然后你回首一看， 哇， 这么老了。。 一个道理 3） CS 其实是个trade。 就是个蓝翔技校的一门trade。 说白了就是那样。 我回首看看我大学学过的课程， 就二门课程有点用， 6.001, MIT的CS的第一门课程， 让你用scheme 去写东西。 还有一门是 Introduction to algorithm... 我5年读了个 master of engineering， 就这么两们课有点用， 其他什么 multi variable calculous, differential equations, 什么physics， 还要逼着我们去修一定的文科课程。。。 那些简直就是在放屁！ 你想想， 5 年的时间， 就两们课程对你有点用。 那和加州的那些 coding school， 9个月强化训练， 让你有个像样的git hub project， 有什么区别？ Coding is a trade, just like plumbing! Do you think it's ridiculous to go to college to earn a plumbing degree? If colleges started offering a plumbing degree, do you think it makes a difference on the quality of your plumber depending on where he went to college? 4) 真正的区别在于什么？ 就是在于你付学费要付了多少。。 我估计这里的家长都是upper income level？ MIT一看你家长的income， 根本就不会给你的子女financial aid。 你四年的学费要多少？ 1６0k??? Let's say you use that $1６0K and put in SPY. Let's assume 5% annual increase. Your kid gonna have a big chuck of retirement set. Now let's say you put $1６0K in bitcoin.. your kid can have a harem of young muscular boy harem when she reaches the age of 50... 5) 你如果要成为lawyer， doctor，甚至investment banker， 那进好学校， 是值得庆祝。。。 top law firm 只到 top law school去找人。 你一个glorified plumber， MIT， 省省吧。 6) 我MIT毕业， 但我现在最羡慕的女人是从Institute of Santo Domingo 毕业的。。 女人最重要的是什么？ The most important thing for a woman is to be beautiful. 我会毫不犹豫的和她去trade life... 如果隔壁楼主女儿不漂亮的话， 还不如花点钱， 趁早去做点plastic surgery.
MIT: men = 5%, women = 11.5% acceptance rate What I tried to say is: if you are a boy, your chance is about 5%. Girl is getting 11.5% chance to be admitted.
祝贺楼主女儿！谢谢楼主分享。
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感谢楼主的帖子，收益很多，虽然我家娃还小。
我觉得这个挺重要，避开了亚裔娃stereotype的大坑。
比较南加高中的counslor，真是只能躺平… counselor 学生比例1:400， 家长质疑，学区教委云淡风轻的说：还有一比六百的呢，你们偷着乐吧。所以只要有杀人的，抢劫就不算差。没钱就只能躺平了，除了自推娃…
这个也太搞了 还counsel个啥
Mark
请问需要家长跟counselor搞好关系吗？还是娃自己跟counselor沟通？
哦，我理解错了。
这个我觉得也是没办法 公立学校学生多 counselor其实也是非常辛苦的 他们就光光事务性的推荐信成绩单Early Regular两个主要时间点把事情搞完不出operation方面的差池 就要花掉不少精力 东部这边有些高中有给counselor打杂处理这些事情的 让他们很有精力focus在counsel 私立高中学费就是一个重要门槛 学生和counselor比例好 很多家长也更尽心 确实有很多counselor之前在admission office工作的 比如湾区有一个很不错的私立 不是H那家 他们的director counselor之前在一个小常青藤的LAC里面是专门负责亚太区国际学生admission的 自己也是LAC毕业的 之前还长期为她工作这个LAC招questbridge学生 这样的人和一众top xx学校的AO应该也都有不少私交 我觉得他们的直觉和见过的样本 应该都是很不错的
找医生看学校显然是不靠谱的，尤其surgeon，好学校和动手能力毛线都不沾，好学校出来的assassin doctor可不少。这社会没啥是一定看学校的，大学就是个起点，今后混成啥样完全在个人和家庭背景。
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我不是Biochem的，一起入职的时候认识一个Biochem的faculty，慢慢就成了朋友，大家孩子差不多大，我求人帮忙的，但是也说好了就是免费劳动力，如果她为难或者孩子不争气不影响相互的友谊。 所以平时的人脉很重要，这些人脉当然需要建立在interpersonal skills基础之上。 我们女儿学校有个孩子就是自己给大学的faculty写邮件，说自己为什么对他的研究方向感兴趣之类，最后也成为了intern，机会给那些肯于争取最努力的孩子吧。 希望对你有帮助。
Disagreed!
I think her success is the results of decent academic performance, top or very good private school, and she is a girl, plus the race card.
她的條件，幹嘛去拼州大？大學招生肯定對私校另眼看待的。公校要擠進藤或頂級私校，競爭大多了。
我们女儿学校亚裔也不多，有几个算是international student的pool，但是因为学生body竞争能力很强，任何details都count。
没有，是私校转私校，我们不赞成boarding，因为觉得父母对孩子的影响太重要了。
孩子沟通为主，家长和counselor是一个team，为孩子保驾护航的。
When you are from a good private (high) school, you already receive more attention or "benefit of doubt" in the college application process. Plus CalcTech and MIT prefer girls to boys, plus the proper use of the race card. That's how I see it.
对了我想起来再贡献一个case 有些公立学校的counselor也是太忙了 然后他们也有对策 就是让学生早一点把各种申请材料提交给他们 比如11月Early那一轮的 还有UC都是比较早一点的 还要提前两周 不是每个孩子都那么自觉不拖延的 这个结果就是 很多小朋友就不申请early了
说MIT&Caltech偏爱招女生的完全没有数据支持，Caltech女生只占40%-，MIT45%-。
严重拖延症的孩子们苦了
不过也算人生道路上一个小小的警示吧
你的数据可能老了一点。看看MIT 自己2017年的研究数据：
https://news.mit.edu/2017/mapping-gender-diversity-at-mit-1025
The big reveal is heartening: Over the past 20 years, MIT’s female undergraduate population has risen to nearly 50 percent of total enrollment and such growth has been sustained across almost every department and school.
女儿典型好强性格，自推应该是天生的，她小的时候我们花过很多很多的时间帮她学会掌握balance，大人当然也力求做到做事有始有终，尽量做好，但是也无形中教她在一些事情上说No，not over commit. 在很多事情上我们很尊重孩子，一起成长，我在她身上也学到很多东西，所以不是单方向的。
https://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/profile/
2021数据
这两个大学应该是排名前xx里面惟二女生比男生少的 因为偏理工科 因而他们也更愿意录取女生 只是有一些被录取的女生 尤其是录了Caltech的 有其他好的综合性大学的机会 也就不去了
很想听你讲讲怎么培养孩子，怎么处理跟孩子的矛盾，怎么引导的。你一看就是很会parenting
谢谢楼主mm！
你的给数据里面男性也是50%呀。
Gender Male50%Female47%Another gender identity2%
几个自推娃的妈妈都说是天生的，非常羡慕，我家老大最近好像开始有点懂事了，比较认真学习了
谢谢。 那真是适合孩子了。 谢谢楼主分享， 虽然估计我家不可能做到这么完美（我自己都不是歌自推的妈， 也没指望要求有个这样自推还好强的娃）。 但也大概心里有个数。 感觉楼主引导， 支持各方面火候拿捏得很好。 看楼主孩子取得的成绩，感觉天天基本上一直在高强度的转。 必须自己要， 喜欢， 还能坚持才不痛苦啊。 你孩子值得的。
尊重第一位吧。有矛盾的时候focus on solution not emotion，久了就找到能冷静对待分歧的方法了。
想问一下怎么找暑假和平时research 的 项目？ 我不在学术界，怎么知道哪个教授或者研究生有项目需要中学生帮忙呢？
但你要知道， 这申请两所学校的学生里，男生远多于女生啊
赞总结啊。
SS
楼主这两个学校哪个有admitted portfolio?在slide room看吗？
就算mit Caltech女生比男生容易进，这并不影响从楼主的分享里学到东西。能进这两个学校的女孩本来也不多，各个种族可能还有配额。就好比奥运会分男女，难道夺牌女队教练的经验就不值一提。楼主和她女儿在申请上做了很多很细致的工作，就算结果不是这么好，这个过程无私分享已经让很多人受益了
楼主分享是很有用，混血也是一个主要优势
如果你看specific year, number of men applicants vs number of men (accepted) vs number of men (enrolled), then you will see a different picture. For instance, CalTech 2020, male applicants = 6011, admitted 5%, enrolled = 2% of admitted. On the other hand, there are 2356 female applicants, 11% admitted .....
The details can be found here: https://www.collegeatlas.org/technology-institute-california.html#admissions-and-enrollment
To the contrary, I just want to share what I observe, not to discount what she said. The more information can be shared here, the more people can learn from it.
Mine graduated from public school, a very competitive public high school with over 70% asians, national rank is between 700-850. Her SAT is close to 1500. She spent average 4 hours a day doing homework and spent the rest of time doing sport. 7 days a week for many years. Now she is studying in a top private school and playing sport for the school. Most of her friends came from private schools. She was admitted when she was 11th grade. As an Asian, it would be very very hard to get into her school if there is no EC.
That''''s why I said private school + girl + right colleges would make a difference.
Edit: I am not sure how much her high school recommendation helps. The school reviewed her transcript. The coach endorsed her. That was it. We didn''''t meet AO, yes, there was an "interview" with an alumni. I suspect it was more a formality. She picked the school and we hardly invovled anything (except paying for the tranining for many years, lol).
我来再上一个数据 这个data绝对solid 而且具有极大的可比性 请好奇的同学们搜索common data set和大学名字。 这是大学Higher education research的一个非常重要的计划，基本上好的大学R1R2都需要填写，然后寄出，是不是选择公开数据，是他们的自由，绝大多数都是公开最近几年的，这两个学校好像都公开了不少。CDS有非常多很有价值的数据点，比如有一二三四五几样申请的因素，学校看重哪个不看重哪个，请看每个大学的C7那一栏，BigFuture的数据也是从那抓来的。
MIT的数据点 https://ir.mit.edu/cds-2020/#B
Caltech的数据点 Caltech https://finance.caltech.edu/documents/18064/cds_2021.pdf
你也是搞录取的吗？回帖很专业
也没有很专业啦 就是吃瓜比较投入@@ 不过这样说好像有点不对，这个楼主很诚恳得分享了很多信息，我用吃瓜不合适，就是看帖比较认真吧
2） 美国公司也要diversity， 所以我水平不行， 但找个公司混日子， 没什么的。 但我试图去国内公司找过马工工作。。 一个都找不到。 人家不care你的生殖器官是什么。 其实这也是美国长期在走下坡路的原因之一。 还有人上来发帖说， 什么学校很好的女医生， 把她的birth control ring给带反了什么的.. 这也是diversity的一个result。一个国家走下坡路， 就像一个人一天天在变老了一样， 总是慢慢的在creep， 然后你回首一看， 哇， 这么老了。。 一个道理
3） CS 其实是个trade。 就是个蓝翔技校的一门trade。 说白了就是那样。 我回首看看我大学学过的课程， 就二门课程有点用， 6.001, MIT的CS的第一门课程， 让你用scheme 去写东西。 还有一门是 Introduction to algorithm... 我5年读了个 master of engineering， 就这么两们课有点用， 其他什么 multi variable calculous, differential equations, 什么physics， 还要逼着我们去修一定的文科课程。。。 那些简直就是在放屁！ 你想想， 5 年的时间， 就两们课程对你有点用。 那和加州的那些 coding school， 9个月强化训练， 让你有个像样的git hub project， 有什么区别？
Coding is a trade, just like plumbing! Do you think it's ridiculous to go to college to earn a plumbing degree?
If colleges started offering a plumbing degree, do you think it makes a difference on the quality of your plumber depending on where he went to college?
4) 真正的区别在于什么？ 就是在于你付学费要付了多少。。 我估计这里的家长都是upper income level？ MIT一看你家长的income， 根本就不会给你的子女financial aid。 你四年的学费要多少？ 1６0k??? Let's say you use that $1６0K and put in SPY. Let's assume 5% annual increase. Your kid gonna have a big chuck of retirement set. Now let's say you put $1６0K in bitcoin.. your kid can have a harem of young muscular boy harem when she reaches the age of 50...
5) 你如果要成为lawyer， doctor，甚至investment banker， 那进好学校， 是值得庆祝。。。 top law firm 只到 top law school去找人。 你一个glorified plumber， MIT， 省省吧。
6) 我MIT毕业， 但我现在最羡慕的女人是从Institute of Santo Domingo 毕业的。。 女人最重要的是什么？ The most important thing for a woman is to be beautiful. 我会毫不犹豫的和她去trade life... 如果隔壁楼主女儿不漂亮的话， 还不如花点钱， 趁早去做点plastic surgery.
MIT: men = 5%, women = 11.5% acceptance rate
What I tried to say is: if you are a boy, your chance is about 5%. Girl is getting 11.5% chance to be admitted.
嗯嗯， 这个贴有营养，学了很多东西
女生录取比男生高一倍，11%也还是很低，毕竟不是凡事申请的都能入，还是要pool里top 10%
maybe fewer than the top 10%. You need to set aside a few for legacy and recruits.
mit没有legacy
Caltech也没有legacy 而且是公开表示don't give it a shit的 好囧 答案就在C7中 我发现CDS真是个宝 不过看起来太花时间了 但数据绝对真实
你真是太牛了。一个女朋友当年据了哈佛去了mit，队友也是mit的，就没有legacy这件事抱怨了很久
楼主吉祥！太谢谢了！先收藏再看
你真的说的每一个字都是实话。lz的分享确实看得我很激动。但你的话对于任何一个家长也是让我们及时清醒。
原本我很坚定的不在乎推学习，希望孩子找到兴趣，体验自己的人生。看了lz的帖子还是决定尽量送好的私校。然后看了你的发言，继续决定眼光放远一点。