76岁体弱老人疑似肺癌,有什么增强抵抗力的办法吗?

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76岁体弱老人疑似肺癌,同时还有肺炎,老年性脑萎缩, 由于身体比较弱(8年前有胃癌),医生不建议追查了, 有什么增强抵抗力的办法吗?是不是只能听之任之了?
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h2o.work
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dreamwalk
Amazon上面看artemisinin的review
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怎么提高呢?
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amigoinca
我妈打一种叫胸腺肽阿法的针,Thymosin alpha 1:,据说能增强免疫
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hbpersonal
Amazon上面看artemisinin的review
dreamwalk 发表于 2021-11-26 21:41

谢谢,那种比较好,有推荐的吗?
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肺炎有濃痰或發燒嗎?有時會呼吸困難嗎? 若有痰液,可鼓勵老人家儘量有效的將痰液咳出,先深吸一口氣然後再用力咳嗽。若痰液過於濃稠可用蒸氣吸入或噴霧治療,稀釋痰液以幫助排痰。也可協助拍痰,使肺內較深部的痰液鬆動而易於咳出。我爺爺本身是晚期失智患者,有時吃完食物會有很多的痰,為了防止吸入性肺炎、或不小心被痰噎到,醫生有建議我們買化痰噴霧機,盡量減少肺炎的可能性。我買的是下面這台,提供樓主參考看看。可以詢問醫生看可不可以搭配一些化痰藥或支氣管擴張劑放在噴霧機裡使用。 https://www.amazon.com/Nebulizer-Albuterol-Compressor-Universal-Mouthpiece/dp/B07VGCPPYS/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1TNSY1TSIK15V&keywords=only+warm+nebulizer+machine&qid=1637981711&sprefix=only+warm%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-3
增強抵抗力方面,我是都煮elderberry syrup,每天泡茶給我爺爺喝,長期下來覺得很有效,提供樓主作為參考。 之前有寫過下面這篇帖子,是關於居家老人照顧、維護老人生活品質的,有興趣的話可以參考看看,希望能有一些幫助。 https://m.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2727258&fid=398&page=1
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hbpersonal
我妈打一种叫胸腺肽阿法的针,Thymosin alpha 1:,据说能增强免疫
amigoinca 发表于 2021-11-26 21:53

怎样才能打呢?叫医生开吗?
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hbpersonal
肺炎有濃痰或發燒嗎?有時會呼吸困難嗎?
首先,若有痰液,要鼓勵老人家儘量有效的將痰液咳出,可先深吸一口氣然後再用力咳嗽。若痰液過於濃稠可用蒸氣吸入或噴霧治療,稀釋痰液以幫助排痰。也可協助拍痰,使肺內較深部的痰液鬆動而易於咳出。我爺爺本身是晚期失智患者,有時吃完食物會有很多的痰,為了防止吸入性肺炎、或不小心被痰噎到,醫生有建議我們買化痰噴霧機,盡量減少肺炎的可能性。我買的是下面這台,提供樓主參考看看。可以詢問醫生看可不可以搭配一些化痰藥或支氣管擴張劑放在噴霧機裡使用。 https://www.amazon.com/Nebulizer-Albuterol-Compressor-Universal-Mouthpiece/dp/B07VGCPPYS/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1TNSY1TSIK15V&keywords=only+warm+nebulizer+machine&qid=1637981711&sprefix=only+warm%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-3
第二,攝取足夠的水分,一般人正常每天應攝取水分3000至4000毫升,但如有心臟衰竭、腎衰竭等限制水分者應與醫師討論,以稀釋濃稠的痰液及補充因發燒所喪失之水分。第三,補充足夠的營養,以增加免疫力。
增強抵抗力方面,我是都煮elderberry syrup,每天泡茶給我爺爺喝,長期下來覺得很有效,提供樓主作為參考。 之前有寫過下面這篇帖子,是關於居家老人照顧、維護老人生活品質的,有興趣的話可以參考看看,希望能有一些幫助。 https://m.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2727258&fid=398&page=1
MKdeCk 发表于 2021-11-26 22:08

谢谢🙏
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andrew70912
76岁体弱老人疑似肺癌,同时还有肺炎,老年性脑萎缩, 由于身体比较弱(8年前有胃癌),医生不建议追查了, 有什么增强抵抗力的办法吗?是不是只能听之任之了?
hbpersonal 发表于 2021-11-26 21:31

I kind of disagree with your doctor''s recommendation, although I might be wrong as I don''t have all the information and I can''t claim I am an expert in this particular field. I''d like to share what I''m thinking just based on the limited information you provided. First of all, 76 years old is not that old, nowadays people easily live through 80s/90s. And cerebral atrophy happens almost to everyone when people get old, so cerebral atrophy itself really does not mean anything unless the patient is obviously demented without any other reasons. Pneumonia is easily treatable in most situations. The simplest way to improve the patient''s quality of life right now is to treat the pneumonia. I''d hate to make a critical decision like this one without knowing what''s going on. Chest CT/ whole-body PET scan are non-invasive tests for investigating possible lung cancer. The worst case is the patient has metastatic lung cancer secondary to previous gastric cancer. but if the lung cancer is actually a primary cancer, the prognosis of lung cancer really depends on the type and stage of the lung cancer. What I want to say is that not all lung cancer patients will have to die or die soon. This sounds a complicated situation and I recommend you get a 2nd opinion before you decide on hospice/palliative care pathway. God bless!
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MKdeCk
I kind of disagree with your doctor''''s recommendation, although I might be wrong as I don''''t have all the information and I can''''t claim I am an expert in this particular field. I''''d like to share what I''''m thinking just based on the limited information you provided. First of all, 76 years old is not that old, nowadays people easily live through 80s/90s. And cerebral atrophy happens almost to everyone when people get old, so cerebral atrophy itself really does not mean anything unless the patient is obviously demented without any other reasons. Pneumonia is easily treatable in most situations. The simplest way to improve the patient''''s quality of life right now is to treat the pneumonia. I''''d hate to make a critical decision like this one without knowing what''''s going on. Chest CT/ whole-body PET scan are non-invasive tests for investigating possible lung cancer. The worst case is the patient has metastatic lung cancer secondary to previous gastric cancer. but if the lung cancer is actually a primary cancer, the prognosis of lung cancer really depends on the type and stage of the lung cancer. What I want to say is that not all lung cancer patients will have to die or die soon. This sounds a complicated situation and I recommend you get a 2nd opinion before you decide on hospice/palliative care pathway. God bless!
andrew70912 发表于 2021-11-27 00:57

層主給的意見好專業! 反觀我自己上面發言太過草率,實在汗顏。 樓主,真心覺得這位層主的建議很值得參考! 應該再諮詢另一位醫師,暸解確切病情狀況和進展,再做決定。
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I kind of disagree with your doctor''s recommendation, although I might be wrong as I don''t have all the information and I can''t claim I am an expert in this particular field. I''d like to share what I''m thinking just based on the limited information you provided. First of all, 76 years old is not that old, nowadays people easily live through 80s/90s. And cerebral atrophy happens almost to everyone when people get old, so cerebral atrophy itself really does not mean anything unless the patient is obviously demented without any other reasons. Pneumonia is easily treatable in most situations. The simplest way to improve the patient''s quality of life right now is to treat the pneumonia. I''d hate to make a critical decision like this one without knowing what''s going on. Chest CT/ whole-body PET scan are non-invasive tests for investigating possible lung cancer. The worst case is the patient has metastatic lung cancer secondary to previous gastric cancer. but if the lung cancer is actually a primary cancer, the prognosis of lung cancer really depends on the type and stage of the lung cancer. What I want to say is that not all lung cancer patients will have to die or die soon. This sounds a complicated situation and I recommend you get a 2nd opinion before you decide on hospice/palliative care pathway. God bless!
andrew70912 发表于 2021-11-27 00:57

谢谢!老人肺CT有个1.5 厘米左右的结节,住院时有段时间没力气,起不了床,医生检查后,觉得他承受不了癌症治疗/手术/化疗的过程,因此连活检也没做就出院了。现在好些,还不怎么有力气。肺炎症状不明显,医生也没开什么药。
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先治好肺炎,医生没有开抗生素吗?
谢谢!老人肺CT有个1.5 厘米左右的结节,住院时有段时间没力气,起不了床,医生检查后,觉得他承受不了癌症治疗/手术/化疗的过程,因此连活检也没做就出院了。现在好些,还不怎么有力气。肺炎症状不明显,医生也没开什么药。
hbpersonal 发表于 2021-11-27 03:08

个人感觉医生没有做错。如果肺炎症状不明显,没有发烧,没有严重咳嗽,没有多痰是不需要吃消炎药的。而且消炎药副作用对体弱的人更大。
最最主要是老人体弱,岁数不是主要问题。如果老人能多走路把身体养好,精神以后可以做小手术活检。否则只会让老人做完小手术后更虚弱。虚弱的人很容易感染病毒死亡,即使吃抗生素都没有用。我一个年老亲戚就是普通肺炎死掉的,用抗生素完全没效果。
吃的营养,多蛋白质就可以了,其实没有有用的补品。最有用的就是多走路锻炼,老人不运动衰弱的更快,其他方法都没有办法把身体养好。
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楼主我家也是老人查出肺癌,看CT已经转移了。医生也没做穿刺,因为那个肺癌长在了胸动脉附近。医生开了靶向药盲吃,我一开始觉得非常不可思议怎么什么都没做就开药乱吃。但是问过几个懂医的都说这个不能做穿刺这可能是唯一的方法。我查了下各种增强抵抗力或者抗癌的药有: 灵芝孢子粉(我托人问了下一个东北的,灵芝孢子粉和灵芝其实都差不多,在京东买了一瓶同仁堂的先吃着,我打算在这边买灵芝的胶囊回去), AHCC, Resveratrol,Lycopene. 这几种药都是在华人上考古得到的。