下周起，以色列将重新实行室内口罩要求。官员恳请民众不要出国旅行，尤其是对有没注射疫苗的儿童的家庭。 虽然以色列的疫苗接种率很高了，但是仍然还有很多人由于各种各样的原因（疾病，年龄，宗教信仰，国籍身份顾虑）等等而没有接种疫苗。 虽然在以色列的印度人并不算主流，中东地区其他国家有不少巴基斯坦外劳，各国之间物流不可能完全切断，变种流入是不可避免的。 在这样的条件下，由于阳性数字小抬头，以色列及时更新标准，重新实行室内口罩要求。这一点要称赞以色列的防疫工作者，真正做到了尊重科学，尊重统计数字，灵活机动。而不是死教条主义畏首畏尾。 疫苗十分重要但是在大量未成年人没有免疫接种，新变种来势汹汹的情况下，公众场所的室内口罩要求是合理的，科学的！这样大家才能都玩的开心玩的安全。 https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-reinstate-indoor-mask-mandate-next-week-as-covid-19-cases-keep-rising/ Israel to reinstate indoor mask mandate next week as COVID-19 cases keep rising Virus czar Ash warns latest outbreak has spread to Kfar Saba, Ramla, Herzliya and other cities, pleads with public not to travel abroad, especially with unvaccinated children Coronavirus czar Nachman Ash announced Thursday that the indoor mask mandate, obligating people to cover their mouths and noses to prevent infections, will return early next week in an effort to stem the rise in COVID-19 cases. In a briefing with journalists Thursday evening, Ash said the outbreak had spread to Kfar Saba, Ramla, Herzliya and other cities, as Health Ministry data showed 169 had been diagnosed Thursday by 6 p.m., the highest daily tally in months. Ash recommended avoiding flights abroad, especially for people who have not been vaccinated.
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
紫心汤圆 发表于 2021-06-25 08:14
麻烦给个连接 我在CDC网站https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/testing-overview.html没看到你说的那些。相反, it states: Positive test results using a viral test (NAAT or antigen) in persons with signs or symptoms consistent with COVID-19 indicate that the person has COVID-19, independent of vaccination status of the person.
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
UPDATE - About half of adults infected in the new outbreak of the "Delta variant" in Israel were fully inoculated with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine (WSJ) 别问我要link，我推上看到的，懒得去找原文，可以自己google
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
CDC修改了打过疫苗测试的标准 As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward. The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
Person A has not been vaccinated. They test positive for Covid using a PCR test at 40 cycles and, despite having no symptoms, they are officially a “covid case”.
Person B has been vaccinated. They test positive at 28 cycles, and spend six weeks bedridden with a high fever. Because they never went into a hospital and didn’t die they are NOT a Covid case.
Person C, who was also vaccinated, did die. After weeks in hospital with a high fever and respiratory problems. Only their positive PCR test was 29 cycles, so they’re not officially a Covid case either.
虽然以色列的疫苗接种率很高了，但是仍然还有很多人由于各种各样的原因（疾病，年龄，宗教信仰，国籍身份顾虑）等等而没有接种疫苗。 虽然在以色列的印度人并不算主流，中东地区其他国家有不少巴基斯坦外劳，各国之间物流不可能完全切断，变种流入是不可避免的。 在这样的条件下，由于阳性数字小抬头，以色列及时更新标准，重新实行室内口罩要求。这一点要称赞以色列的防疫工作者，真正做到了尊重科学，尊重统计数字，灵活机动。而不是死教条主义畏首畏尾。
疫苗十分重要 但是在大量未成年人没有免疫接种，新变种来势汹汹的情况下，公众场所的室内口罩要求是合理的，科学的！这样大家才能都玩的开心玩的安全。
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-reinstate-indoor-mask-mandate-next-week-as-covid-19-cases-keep-rising/ Israel to reinstate indoor mask mandate next week as COVID-19 cases keep rising Virus czar Ash warns latest outbreak has spread to Kfar Saba, Ramla, Herzliya and other cities, pleads with public not to travel abroad, especially with unvaccinated children
Coronavirus czar Nachman Ash announced Thursday that the indoor mask mandate, obligating people to cover their mouths and noses to prevent infections, will return early next week in an effort to stem the rise in COVID-19 cases. In a briefing with journalists Thursday evening, Ash said the outbreak had spread to Kfar Saba, Ramla, Herzliya and other cities, as Health Ministry data showed 169 had been diagnosed Thursday by 6 p.m., the highest daily tally in months. Ash recommended avoiding flights abroad, especially for people who have not been vaccinated.
其它都是胡扯，还是封国才是王道：我们厉害国和朝鲜这方面就做得最好。必须给他们点赞！
但是症状都轻很多啊！以色列是不是有contact tracing？只要有过接触的都去测了？我怀疑打过疫苗基本没有感染症状，所以很多人根本不会去测，所以美国的日均感染率一直还在下降
As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. Previous case counts, which were last updated on April 26, 2021, are available for reference only and will not be updated moving forward.
The CDC has put new policies in place which effectively created a tiered system of diagnosis. Meaning, from now on, unvaccinated people will find it much easier to be diagnosed with Covid19 than vaccinated people. Consider…
这具体就不知道了 我个人认为广泛频繁的测试还是有必要的 这样才能防患于未然，或者说发现苗头之后积极调整对策，就像以色列一样。发现数字小抬头，就大家戴一阵口罩压一压。
我也关注以色列数据更多 他们现在数据上扬，确诊率才0.2％，说明检测足够 现在就等着看他们50％打了疫苗的确诊者，症状，死亡率如何
应该是，如果不tracing的话那些无症状感染大多都会miss吧
看新加坡的例子很多人只是留点鼻水之类的症状很轻
为了推疫苗也是拼了，无所不用其极，呵呵。。。话说CDC早就信用破产，还没改行开马戏团？
美国医疗资本不是傻，而是坏，疫情延续且可控才符合他们的利益
难怪现在每日确诊下降，让不少人觉得美国疫情结束了
她说，现在令人担忧的是，非洲裔居民感染族群似乎首当其冲，感染病例和住院人数略有增加，且死亡率仍然很高。在所有种族群体中死亡率都在下降，但非裔社区仍然持续较高的新冠死亡率。虽然卫生局很高兴看到全县这么多人感染情况有所改善，但最近小幅增长和证据表明，一些社区的人们被排除在疫情改善进展之外。尤其是那些在疫情早期遭受巨大打击的社区。 对于24日的添加数字，费若表示，这是自5月15日以来，单日最高新病例数。目前洛县累计确诊人数124万8415例。 添加病例、住院和检测阳性的小幅增加是一个信号，提醒所有人病毒仍然和大家在一起，即使现在也需要小心维护。与家庭以外的人保持距离，特别是还没有接种疫苗的人们。
靠口罩是控制不了疫情的，否则发达国家病例就不会去年一波又一波，今年直线下降了。以色列打完第一针的是60%，还得继续打才行
麻烦给个连接 我在CDC网站https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/testing-overview.html没看到你说的那些。相反, it states: Positive test results using a viral test (NAAT or antigen) in persons with signs or symptoms consistent with COVID-19 indicate that the person has COVID-19, independent of vaccination status of the person.
病例下降发生在所有打了辉瑞疫苗的国家，难道都是受美国cdc指导？而且美国病例数字一直平滑下降，没出现过文章的4/26号突然更改标准而应该出现的某几天陡然下降，实际上从4/26到现在病例依然是平滑的下降
不知道这位层主什么用意。华人这个贴子已经讨论过一轮了https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2688491。 CDC的阳性检测标准并没变。
不出门，窝家里最好，最安全。戴口罩？出门看看怎么戴就知道了，不管是美国还是中国，都一个样，形式主义。
这个是不是因为非裔打疫苗比例小？
也不是，其实没有疫情医疗资本获利更多，毕竟有很多可做可不做的手术/操作都被疫情耽搁了。比如疫情来了，咱们每年2次的洗牙都不做了。
是的，现在医院一个家庭医生恨不得半个小时看两个病人，就是医院因为之前收入受重创，开始压榨医生
各种原因造成的吧。除了免疫，还有食品，bmi，糖尿病，居住环境，接触人群，医疗条件等等
求link
这。。。
cdc在做什么妖啊，CDC这样做有啥科学依据吗？
UPDATE - About half of adults infected in the new outbreak of the "Delta variant" in Israel were fully inoculated with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine (WSJ)
别问我要link，我推上看到的，懒得去找原文，可以自己google
可惜又测不了疫苗的efficacy了
cdc就是要作死老百姓呗
关键是很多老百姓愿意被作死，纽约虽然放开了，但是照样还是很多人仍然戴口罩
人家会告诉你，疫苗又不是100%有效，只有95%（大约？），随便多少人中了，都是那5%
哎 你的觉得口罩就能挡住十几秒就能传染的delta变种？我觉得不打疫苗的如果能继续蹲家，严格不外出，不跟其他人接触，也行啊。我是做不到。
你装外宾呢。这叫个P的无所不用其极。CDC没权力往你手机里装app吧。
前两天看过新闻，以色列感染的人里，1/3是fully vaccined
真实世界测的本来就不是疫苗的efficacy.难道不是没打疫苗的更偏向戴口罩而confounding疫苗的effectiveness 吗？不管什么措施，能避免不得就好。
你怎么不编成打了疫苗得了的都给灭口了呢😠
说了多少遍了，中国人里强烈反对口罩的我没看见过，版上也没有，很多人的观点是觉得光靠口罩不够用，尤其在外面很多非华人非亚洲人不戴或乱戴的情况下，就像去年的经验，大家都戴口罩保持社交距离，确诊还是很多，所以得上疫苗双保险。华人都是又打疫苗又戴口罩的，基本打疫苗越高的地区戴口罩的越多（比如湾区）。最近朋友圈出行的挺多的，但是都戴口罩的。你不要老是栽赃版上的人强烈反对口罩。强烈反对疫苗的有你们几个，强烈反对戴口罩的我没看见。
他们糊涂他们的 咱可别跟着糊涂
什么是28/29 cycles
你怕了？给你出个主意，带你老爹回国打两针灭活，就一了百了无后顾之忧了，赶紧的吧
美国3千万人得covid，60万死，医院ICU整年爆满，这些后面每个都是天价账单啊，难道治covid不要钱？ 因为疫情医疗资本挣得盆满钵满
医院ICU整年爆满，这是哪里？新冠大部分人都在家呆着隔离，都没什么治疗，因为没有特效治疗手段。这一年能不去医院的都不去医院，好多人年度体检都没做。。。
实际上基本上只有11-1月ICU比较紧张。
是的 这逻辑实在太强大了…… 无解
人吃饭最终还是免不了一死 所以就不要吃饭了
湾区四五月份传过一波类似普通感冒的东西 好多班上的人去测过都是阴性
这个如果是delta 那delta也太弱了
但倒底是个啥 现在没人知道
我知道 你说过你不反对口罩 但你一直在喊现在外面大多数人都不戴口罩了 几乎是以恐吓的方式让家长push孩子去打疫苗
那如果疫苗有用 以色列为啥又要喊带回口罩呢
据说 pcr cycle数量减低了 阳性的sensitivity就低了
这样省钱 出结果快 但会少不少阳性的量
如果疫苗没用，那60%打了第一针的以色列为啥高峰一天10000例，现在100例？戴口罩戴的？
支持你继续不戴口罩 加油
美国一个月前一天36000，现在一万。有长进吗？高峰时25万一天
支持你不打疫苗，千万挺住。疫情可防可控，戴上口罩即可
你歇了，我什么时候恐吓别的家长去打疫苗？我比副总统还有号召力？有几个人来华人决定要不要打疫苗。可笑。真是一顶帽子。我一直在说应该根据自己local打疫苗，确诊数字和人民的生活方式来定。确实现在室外还多人不戴口罩了，室内也很多人不戴了，但华人还是戴的多，我说错什么了？
她打不打无所谓。反正脑袋已经新冠后遗症，没救了。
估计你呆的地方木有华人？
我可没说过带上口罩即可 纯粹是物理阻断要强于疫苗 特别是对产生变异这件事来讲
口罩强于疫苗，你还是歇歇吧。医护人员打疫苗前感染那么高原来是没戴口罩
华人很多室外也不戴了，你别躲家里了，晚上出门溜溜就看到了。
美国7天平均1w多已经多久了？你自己去看看数据。不要跟我提5月25号的数据。
哈 那个才是强于一切的要素 社区感染的量
嗯 你得到了他 试试在类似于疫情初期的环境里测测疫苗的效果 再来说话
嗷 你这么说也不是一次两次了
药股挣钱难道不是应该开心才对？怎么那么心理不平衡？
刚刚还说华人都戴 现在又变不戴了？我今天刚去过farmers market 人人戴口罩 不要再瞎说了
我说这个因为我相信啊，别人没后遗症我相信，说你脑子没后遗症我不信，那天不是还有个熟人特意跑来怼你，这样下去，估计会更多。
你晚上去公园看看就知道了。戴也就是比个样子的很多。尤其前几天特别热的时候。
我说室内都戴，室外跟别的种族比起来也是华人戴的多。别的好多都不戴口罩在公园party了。
有嘛 是真熟人还是冒充的？本来炒疫苗的就骗子特别多
你是说白天戴 晚上不戴？那么神奇
那你们那里蛮吓人的 你还是多打几针比较放心
您就别关心我了，新冠脑子后遗症怕是不太好治。保重！
这个说法好像最早是你和racoon开始说的
老实讲 挺凸显一些东西的
呃，我记得一天前疫苗红卫兵眼里，我还是“轮子”呢，这就变墙锅里面挣5毛的了？你们能不能统一下意见先？
这是什么嗜好？不和好的比，非要和最烂的比烂。。。。你觉得不是“极”，那不过是因为你在里面已经被熏陶得 底线无限低了，正常人眼里，这种翻云覆雨，一会儿不用戴口罩，一会儿最好戴2个口罩，连标准都可以随便改的行为，就是无所不用其极
凸显什么，英雄所见略同吗？好多个ID都说过类似，那天还一个很凶猛的直接跟你孩子比心的，虽然过于凶猛了一点。
搞不好是你和racoon的马甲？这种手段不是很明显的道理讲不过了 马上说对方是疯子？
我不是搞专业的，小浣熊mm是专业的，都是老ID了，什么马甲，莫名其妙。哪里讲不过你？有时候是懒得讲你是真，浪费时间，至于骂你，那各个帖子骂你的太多，你自己没发现？经常点开一个就看到骂你的，都不用贴贴点开，随意浏览就能看见好多，昨天除了冲你孩子笔芯的，好像还有一个劝你多挣点钱以防新冠后遗症失去工作能力的？我那天点错了，就没屏蔽你了，因为觉得正好可以完全把你当反指，哪天你跑步进场买房了，好知道房市见顶信号来了。
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当然有，除非你从来没有不看数字
你没打疫苗，靠蹲家保护自己，外面啥情况大多数人都比你清楚吧