“The average college accepts 6/10 applicants; only 46 accept fewer than 20%.” 这本书值得一读,尤其是有升学焦虑的。 IEC既然有市场,我想是有原因的。我只是目前不太能理解。 升学角度:耳熟能详的那几所学校是供小于求的,但是IEC不能保证能进(说能保证的反而是骗子)。而大多数不是耳熟能详的学校录取率都很高(60% 以上),其实也是很好的学校。这是大多数美国学校的情况,他们要靠发奖学金来吸引学生。这样的话,又何需IEC呢?另一方面真正优秀的孩子能进top学校的,确实也不需要IEC。这就是为什么有个层主说那些孩子的父母即使用了IEC也不推荐或”欲言又止“吧,估计因为性价比不够好。 教育角度:如果有外加value,比如增加soft skill(隔壁楼的IEC说这是她最喜欢的一部分),那其实就是孩子的成长,本应该是学校,家长和孩子一起经历的。现在加入第三方,适用的情况应该是父母没精力管,或者交流不畅,又不差钱,就把教育和成长外包,找人监督。但是前几年估计也就是一年见个几次。钱替代不了父母操心吧。还是个性价比问题,如果不差钱的话雇一个也无所谓。 IEC最有可能有用的是中等的孩子包装一下进了供小于求的牛校。但是如果孩子本身不适合,进了牛校对他们长期真的有好处吗? 一般认为IEC最硬核的部分是essay。毕竟这个是要英文功底的。父母和孩子可以自己做功课列大学单子,但是英文水平一下子提高不了。如果大学取消essay,很多IEC都作用有限。这也是为什么“Who gets in and why” 的作者Selingo建议essay应该是个限制时间的考试,当堂写,而不是现在这样谁有钱谁就雇人润色。
我觉得很多书里讲的我都知道。我把留言贴过来,一点长 Disclosure: I'm a college admissions counselor with 20+ years of experience in boarding and day schools, pro bono work with community based organizations, and private international clientele, based in Greenwich, CT, Carmel, CA, and Palm Beach, FL. My intention here is to critique this book and fill in some critical information Selingo omits for the likely reader, whom I assume to be those interested in the college admissions process. There are a few points from this book I wish everyone would take in: "'Most of the real screening' for selective universities is 'rooted in the home and school environment of children from infancy on,'" --MIT Admissions Director B. Alden Thresher. "Colleges are a business [you have very little control over] and admissions is its chief revenue source,"--Dean of Admissions, Tulane It's incontestable that athletes receive systematic preferential treatment in admissions. "Nearly 8 million kids played high school sports in 2019. But only 495,000 of them ended up competing in college, and many fewer--just 150,000 or about 2% received scholarships, according to the NCAA" (150). Most of those scholarships are less than the value of "a very used car." Parents realize too late "the return on their investment in sports was no better than the discount tuition coupons colleges hand out to nearly everyone, whether they're athletes or not" (151). _________________ Selingo is the former editor of The Chronicle of Higher Education and has been journalist specializing in higher education for two decades. Hence, this book is a journalistic take on admissions, not a guide. Families who want to understand the process and procedure of college admissions are far better served by the truly superlative 2019 book by the Director of Admissions of Georgia Tech and a high school college admissions counselor, https://www.amazon.com/Truth-about-Co.... Experienced counselors who keep up with the field will not find much here they didn't already know, but families are likely to learn some new information. Selingo recounts a bit of the history of the elements essential to understanding the institutional procedures relating to enrollment management, marketing tactics, rankings, equity, and affirmative action. It astonishes me how many families not only do not understand that the marketing materials in the mailbox are not offers of admission, but argue with me about it, "No! They want her!" No, they want her to apply, but she hasn't got a chance there with ordinary activities, a mediocre GPA and SAT score. Selingo features three students, two of whom are "drivers," highly motivated information seekers regarding the admissions process, and one of whom is a "passenger," "along for the ride" (52). He also embeds himself in three university admissions offices (UW, Emory, Davidson) all "sellers," with brand names that tend to attract full-pay students, rather than "buyers," who don't, but we learn surprisingly few details because the process is truly "a cryptic recipe wrapped in what is supposed to look like a mathematical formula" (140), with similarities and differences in each university's process. Application readers rate applicants on different scales in certain categories: • Emory: 1-5; curriculum, extracurricular activities, recommendations, intellectual curiosity • Davidson: 1-10; grades, rigor of classes, academic caliber of high school, recommendations, written materials from applicant, and personal characteristics • UW: 1-9; academics, personal, overall Those personal characteristics scores are the way that affirmative action can come in, first generation college attendee, socioeconomic profile, hardships, as the handbook for readers states: "overcoming a significant educational disadvantage, tenacity, insight, originality, concern for others, or coming from a high school that has sent few students to UW" (100). Some truisms: • It is not the student who needs to be well-rounded, but the incoming class. • Quirkiness or unusual hobbies, like bee-keeping, Bharatnatyam style dance, or starting a botany club all serve applicants well. They make for a more interesting class. • The process is necessarily opaque and intuitive. If the crew team needs a coxswain or the band an oboist, the student who meets the institutional need will be admitted, other elements being equal. • GPA will be recalculated according to a university's own formula. Some, like Emory and UC, do not count 9th grade. "Spiky grades" with ups and downs are a distinctive negative. • Admissions/enrollment management increasingly resembles Moneyball, with sophisticated algorithms indicating "who was most interested in the school, who would enroll if accepted, and even how much financial aid it would take to attract them" (122). • The average college accepts 6/10 applicants; only 46 accept fewer than 20%. • If admissions officers are skeptical of some claim, they are more likely to defer admission (wait list). • There are no hard and fast rules. Nuance, finessing, and institutional needs you have no way of knowing are crucial parts of the process.
Selingo only briefly mentions the best tool going: the Common Data Set. In your favorite search engine, type the name of the university to which you plan to apply and "Common Data Set." The CDS is VERY revealing. In section B, you learn how many students who started at X Univ. actually completed a degree in 4 or 6 years. (Average is 60%). In some colleges, fewer than 1 in 3 students who start there finish there. That is a strong sign of unhappy students! Do not apply there. Section C reveals the percentage of students with certain GPA and SAT/ACT scores, so you can know where you stand with yours. In Section C7, the university lists the criteria it considers important in admissions decisions. Look at the last category: interest. Some, like Berry in Georgia, actually want you to email them every week with updates(!); others (most of the "sellers") already know you're interested; you don't have to prove it. Where it does matter, students should be engaging weekly with the college's social media and website (they log the IP address), emailing the admissions counselor for their region, meeting with them when they visit the school; that person may read your application. This can mean the difference between acceptance and rejection and financial aid or not. Other colleges don't care about community service but value work. You won't know what they want unless you look. This helps you to craft your essay accordingly AND know about the university culture. In C21, see how many applicants are accepted in the Early Action or Early Decision pool. Selingo devotes a great deal of attention to EA and ED. ED is not a good plan for anyone who needs to compare financial packages, because a decision will be due before other decisions are returned. Also keep in mind that ED and EA admit rates will be higher because of the composition of that pool: nearly all of the recruited athletes, full-pay students, and low-income, first-generation students who are part of programs like QuestBridge and Posse. Section G shows the cost to attend. Section H2 provides the number of students who apply and receive need-based aid and what the average amount is. Usually the university "discount rate" is just under 50%. Would you be more likely to buy a car for $5000 or a car that is usually $10,000, discounted to $5000? They know that about you. That's why they give you a SALE! price and make you feel special. Psychology and Marketing 101. Section J lists the number of degrees conferred in each major, so you know how popular your prospective major is. Some universities admit by major; find out which of yours do. Major matters in another way. Use JobSearchIntelligence.com and universities' institutional research reports on student outcomes data (ask for it if you can't find it) to learn starting salaries for specific majors. At this writing, Bio and Chem majors' starting salaries are around $20,000. So much for lucrative STEM fields. Back to athletics. In addition to the quote at the top of this review, there's more. "Because they field dozen of sports with attention paid to making sure each roster is full, selective colleges like Amherst or Harvard find themselves with fewer spots for nonathletes" (155). The fastest growing high school sports for boys: fencing, volleyball and lacrosse; girls: lacrosse, fencing, and rifle. The former Dean of Admissions at Princeton confessed that "no hook was stronger in assisting the prospect of an applicant than athletics" (157). And make no mistake, athletes are mostly white and wealthy, major in econ, poli sci, and history, and rank in the bottom 1/3 of their class. Selingo clarifies another point: people do not understand that the high school matters. Read this article: The Frog Pond Revisited: High School Academic Context, Class. Rank, and Elite College Admission by Thomas J. Espenshade et al. It is difficult for a high school to establish a record with a college. 18% of high schools are responsible for 75% of applications and 80% of admitted students. Selingo doesn't go into the details of how high schools are evaluated beyond stating that officers review the list of students' universities acceptances, but I will. • What's the median SAT [or ACT] score? From personal experience, I can attest to the difference in high schools with a median of 1020 and 1480. • What's the highest math? If it's pre-calculus, that's a world of difference from Multivariable Calculus, Differential Equations, and Theoretical Math. • What % go to a 4 year college? Obviously, a GPA in one high school does not reflect the same rigor as the same GPA in another, and 40% of all American high school students graduate with an A average in 1998; half do today. That's why we need standardized testing. Unfortunately, Selingo repeats the fallacy that "test results are closely correlated with family income," but we know that is not true. Impoverished Asians, for example, score higher than the top quintiles of other ethnic groups. Standardized testing was found in many studies conducted by UC researchers to help discover minority students they wouldn't have found otherwise. Here's a principal point: Parents need to be parents and say no. Too many times, students' emotional desire to leave the state ("I gotta get out of _____") results in attendance of a lesser ranked university at twice the price, incurring high student loan debt. They can leave the state once they earn the degree; don't give in! Even massive universities like UCLA can offer a small college feel due to discussion groups, but with vast opportunities. In the past five years, most of my students who have elected to attend small colleges and even medium sized universities (4000-7000 undergraduates) with excellent reputations have wound up transferring to larger ones and are delighted with the difference. That's unexpected, but true. Selingo doesn't mention return on investment, which is too extensive a topic to deal with here, but in a nutshell, if the prospective career is not a particularly lucrative one, it is logical to consider only inexpensive options. Regarding elite institutions, "At a top-ranked school, you'll step into a river of valedictorians, calculus geeks, and National Merit Scholars. They'll pull you along, or...wash you out." Selingo writes that parents believe the relationships students form "will give their teenagers entrée into society's highest echelons" (249), but it does not work that way. Please read at least my review of Paying for the Party, but the book is well worth your attention. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show... Your middle class kid is not going to be going on all expense paid weekend skiing trips in Gstaad with the billionaire's kid. Do you honestly think salaries are higher in some fields for grads from highly selective schools just because they went to that school? Money in money out. Those universities and those elite professional services companies accept most of their students from the highest socioeconomic quintile; the students have connections. They attended the "right" preschools, primary schools, summer camps, boarding schools, etc. [See first quote above]. It's not that students from lowest quintiles will be admitted to the country club set. That's quite rare. Read my review of The Privileged Poor to see how that works out. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show... Or, if you're up for a scarier scenario, screen the film or re-read Patricia Highsmith's thriller The Talented Mr. Ripley.That's about right. A final note, focus on finding an affordable, financially solvent university where students graduate on time, have access to faculty, advising, and internships, and a suitable major, possibly with a desired concentration. It's surprising that Selingo doesn't address the solvency issue. It is expected that 20% of private colleges will go under in the next few years; there are hundreds that have already closed. See for example the Forbes article "Dawn Of The Dead: For Hundreds Of The Nation’s Private Colleges, It’s Merge Or Perish" to gauge the financial health of a college before COVID. Be assured that their financial situation has only declined. Many had to return the funds paid for room and board when students were sent home, but still had to pay for maintenance and other contracts. In summary, this is an okay book from a higher education journalist. If you want inside information and a usable guide, see https://www.amazon.com/Truth-about-Co...(less
落地mm谢谢了,特别同意college is a business,从这个角度看,美国college admission很多方面就好理解。 上面讲的去贫困地区做volunteer真的不是那么容易的,不做秀的做事的很苦。我带的有几个每年都去,不少是女孩子,看她们给我发回的东西,我问过自己舍得自己孩子去吗?她们几个我都担心。这些孩子做这些就是出于missionary的目的而不是进ivy,没进也还在继续做,还有大学才开始的,我觉得需要真正的mission背负着才能面对那里的艰难。
想请问一下版上请过升学顾问的,有了顾问的加持,真的能找到更合适孩子的学校和专业吗?ps:普通娃,没有特别喜欢的专业。 贡献几个数据,均华人,均成绩top 1%。 1 女,请了顾问,哈佛。低收入(纸面上),单亲,有竞赛没好名次,孩子也的确很争气。能上大藤的条件都有,也不知道顾问起了多大作用。 2 男,没顾问,好州大最热门专业。家里很满意,申了藤都没录。 3 女,没顾问,好州大无专业,现在有点后悔没更好的规划。 凑巧知道的孩子都牛,或者华人都是这样?希望能了解一些普通娃的情况。
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嗯, 这个确实是我读了上面落地无声MM的转发,才意识到的。
MM泥太牛了。。。感觉泥的水平可能比好多顾问高了
天哪。。。。这个信息太好用了啊。如果孩子或者价值知道将来要TARGET什么学校,这个简直太太太重要了。有的放矢就好了啊。或者,根据孩子的情况,挑选选人的准则毕竟对孩子有利和符合的,不就大大提高录取率了。还需要升学顾问么?这个工作感觉大部分华人家长都做的来啊。
我需要去开发一些不耳熟能详而又质量好的学校,哈哈
你这个例子期望还算合理,费用野花好。。一年3,4万那种我是觉得太离谱了。
🛋️ 沙发板凳
帖子上说都是华人
竞赛好名次不是必要条件吧,我觉得有竞赛有兴趣就可以了,她是自己的兴趣,家长一手指头都没推,招生的人看得出来。
当然这里的华人家长绝对不需要,反而可以去学校当义工顾问的~~
我面了一个顾问,我们邻居推荐的,一小时$400,我们没有费用地聊了一个小时,他说我知道的挺多的做了很多功课。唉,我都是无聊时在华人和cc上看来的。 发现灌水省了400刀。至少网上的信息还是有点养分的
你觉得很管用吗? 是中国人还是老美? 具体都帮啥呢?
州大为什么不需要?你不知道对好些小孩,好点的州大也有难度啊!
老美,夫妻两以前是藤校招生办的。我邻居大力说好,她自己是upenn毕业的,她两个女儿都去了第一志愿的学校,艺术生。
他说儿子可以去git但cmu难度非常大,去加州比较容易点。可惜我家孩子对西岸和南方没兴趣。 他很懒的。
这个真牛啊,你用完,写写感受,很难理解。他怎么能看出可以去这个,不能去那个来。
我以为就指导指导怎么写感人文章呢。
数学物理这类竞赛,哪怕是家长逼着,有几个孩子愿意参加?她高中四年一直参加竞赛,没有出州,没有成为竞赛圈大神。
正所谓屡战屡败还是屡败屡战,包装还是有讲究的
从9年级开始请顾问帮你推娃的话可能会真有用,但那价格真贵。我听说的例子是四年总共30万(单位不确定,很可能是港币)的价格把娃送进了普林斯顿
感人文章没啥用吧,我儿子童子军这些年不少感人事迹(冰里来泥里泡毒日晒,还被蚊虫追着咬)。可是谁没有呢? 要让人共情并动情才是关键吧。
这人得多有钱啊, 呵呵。 30万人民币可能, 30万美金,这个性价比也太低了吧。
这边一般10年级下可以开始, 私立,公立学校里就有, 9年级还什么都看不出来。 费用, 3万都算很贵了。
这么贵??????
女孩,单亲,低收入,有竞赛, 足矣。没有顾问也一样进大疼
hmm 你大概是对的,因为说这话的是美国人但是在香港,现在想想可能说的是港币
是阿, 湾区什么都贵。 8000 的 package 都一般般, 最终估计超一万妥妥的。
15000做了哪些事情啊。能给孩子推到高一档的学校吗?能不能详细说说,多谢啦
差不多是这个价,一年$15,000.也不一定非要请顾问,找那些有经验的upperclassman修改essay也有用。闺女找的是比她高一级的去T5某校的学姐修改essay,付了$50,最后被T10某校录取。
8000 真的不算贵了,我打听的最便宜都要13000,给看essay提意见,但是一个字都不会帮你改,就要你自己改。 但是感觉要冲藤可以请顾问,成不成的至少不留遗憾。目标州大的真的要把GPA这些搞好,参加一两个课外活动/竞赛就差不多了。
就是帮改论文,孩子觉得有帮助。
老师湾区比较🈶️名气的。
这产业 早就很成熟了,好吧?我村里一堆一堆做这生意的
这顾问一看就不靠谱,没有谁可以给打保票进大藤的,因为招生这事本身就要看运气。除非种族,性别,经济条件,家庭情况全部有利…
不可能30万美元的。我们是申请私校,在请顾问中。
求推荐,谢谢
南加为什么便宜那么多?现在不是一切都是online的吗?
对,你这个就是我👆提到的第二种,这种找顾问专门来打造的多。
哦我说的价格是申请高中私校,不是大学的。北加和纽约是1万,不是15000,打错了
我们还要参加一个标准化考试(私校都要的),辅导班就是6000多,然后顾问又是6000多,还没进学校门呢。牛蛙都可以省了,当然牛蛙上私校也没必要,牛蛙就是来省钱的。
re 我也听说管用 就是很早开始帮助孩子认清自己想要什么 plan好这四年以及大方向 而且父母和孩子一般想法不同 孩子容易叛逆 反而顾问心平气和能够认真讨论 不是光用来改ps的 是早开始
是的,我自己给她辅导那个考试,人家更本心不在焉的,我的嗓子都哑了,老师给上课就很认真,算是花钱买舒坦吧。
哈哈outsourcing,太牛了
你好 能分享一下NJ升学顾问的联系方式吗?谢谢
总共$15000吧不是每年$15000. $60000这也太贵了
对就是这样. 我家请了,花钱消灾,娃疫情期间不听话,找个外人督促一下.
从高一开始给当地的food bank做义工,肯定比一个假期去当义工有效啊,很多大学看长久性和持久性,然后有没有热情。
那种小的更不要说了,都给安排得好好的。我记得她咨询回来告诉我,有个什么国际机构的在东南亚的发展计划,就有高中生参加在孟加拉的一个项目,这种不是自己能轻易争取到机会的,得先做事儿证明自己,通过这种升学指导的成套安排,就比较有机会。。。她发愁有些活动是不是风险比较大开销比较大。我说这不是造假吗?她说是包装不是造假,将来写出来的一切都是真的。
我知道国内花重金请的中介(听说超过25w rmb),学生自己念书也很厉害的,做过此类的项目,而且每年一个,结果美国top15的都没进。 但是进了牛津。
可以加我入群吗?我的微信id是jingzhen41 多谢
我们公司有个同事跟一个小慈善机构合作,那段时间这个机构就在非洲帮助某个小村子,很长期的,打水井啊,建学校啊,我这个同事参与的主要是学校的建设。筹一笔钱够干嘛了就去做一点,专业的建筑师他们怎么找不知道,一般招募的义工是捐一笔钱以后得到去做一个星期打杂的机会,食宿自理,做五天建筑小工,还有两天访问村子和参观国家公园。那个学校真是一点点盖起来的,先教室,有了教室就开课了,然后餐厅,然后学生宿舍。筹款除了建筑费用还有运转学校的费用。真的蛮实在的项目。不过我胆子小,听到行程是自己飞到内罗毕之后集合搭小飞机去目的地,就怕了,组织者还安慰我说内罗毕国际机场在城外,还是相对安全的,那个村子靠近边界,如果当地发生动乱,他们有规划好的线路迅速撤入邻国。他们义工从来没有出过事,我就更怕了,没去。不过特别敬佩他们参与的人。
和我听说的差不多。 我对我这个老板的一些东西看不惯,但是这种持久付出还是非常令人敬佩的。
华人对所有professional service 的第一反应都是“我自己来”,一辈子过下来都是全能人才,还省好多钱
楼主你在哪里找的?我也需要找
最高赞的留言值得一读 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/52765755-who-gets-in-and-why
这种的 让孩子自己摸索,我觉得也是一种锻炼。反正我不在乎名校的光芒,娃儿反而比我在乎,他在乎,就自己争取呗。
我想说得是就算花大价钱请了顾问,也要孩子愿意佩服并且有执行力,顾问只是负责出谋划策锦上添花,具体实施的还是自己。我看到的请了顾问进了牛校的孩子本身就是牛娃。。。
Link不行。 值得买吗?我们library没有。
我觉得很多书里讲的我都知道。我把留言贴过来,一点长 Disclosure: I'm a college admissions counselor with 20+ years of experience in boarding and day schools, pro bono work with community based organizations, and private international clientele, based in Greenwich, CT, Carmel, CA, and Palm Beach, FL. My intention here is to critique this book and fill in some critical information Selingo omits for the likely reader, whom I assume to be those interested in the college admissions process.
There are a few points from this book I wish everyone would take in:
"'Most of the real screening' for selective universities is 'rooted in the home and school environment of children from infancy on,'" --MIT Admissions Director B. Alden Thresher.
"Colleges are a business [you have very little control over] and admissions is its chief revenue source,"--Dean of Admissions, Tulane
It's incontestable that athletes receive systematic preferential treatment in admissions. "Nearly 8 million kids played high school sports in 2019. But only 495,000 of them ended up competing in college, and many fewer--just 150,000 or about 2% received scholarships, according to the NCAA" (150). Most of those scholarships are less than the value of "a very used car." Parents realize too late "the return on their investment in sports was no better than the discount tuition coupons colleges hand out to nearly everyone, whether they're athletes or not" (151). _________________ Selingo is the former editor of The Chronicle of Higher Education and has been journalist specializing in higher education for two decades. Hence, this book is a journalistic take on admissions, not a guide. Families who want to understand the process and procedure of college admissions are far better served by the truly superlative 2019 book by the Director of Admissions of Georgia Tech and a high school college admissions counselor, https://www.amazon.com/Truth-about-Co.... Experienced counselors who keep up with the field will not find much here they didn't already know, but families are likely to learn some new information.
Selingo recounts a bit of the history of the elements essential to understanding the institutional procedures relating to enrollment management, marketing tactics, rankings, equity, and affirmative action. It astonishes me how many families not only do not understand that the marketing materials in the mailbox are not offers of admission, but argue with me about it, "No! They want her!" No, they want her to apply, but she hasn't got a chance there with ordinary activities, a mediocre GPA and SAT score.
Selingo features three students, two of whom are "drivers," highly motivated information seekers regarding the admissions process, and one of whom is a "passenger," "along for the ride" (52). He also embeds himself in three university admissions offices (UW, Emory, Davidson) all "sellers," with brand names that tend to attract full-pay students, rather than "buyers," who don't, but we learn surprisingly few details because the process is truly "a cryptic recipe wrapped in what is supposed to look like a mathematical formula" (140), with similarities and differences in each university's process.
Application readers rate applicants on different scales in certain categories: • Emory: 1-5; curriculum, extracurricular activities, recommendations, intellectual curiosity • Davidson: 1-10; grades, rigor of classes, academic caliber of high school, recommendations, written materials from applicant, and personal characteristics • UW: 1-9; academics, personal, overall Those personal characteristics scores are the way that affirmative action can come in, first generation college attendee, socioeconomic profile, hardships, as the handbook for readers states: "overcoming a significant educational disadvantage, tenacity, insight, originality, concern for others, or coming from a high school that has sent few students to UW" (100).
Some truisms: • It is not the student who needs to be well-rounded, but the incoming class. • Quirkiness or unusual hobbies, like bee-keeping, Bharatnatyam style dance, or starting a botany club all serve applicants well. They make for a more interesting class. • The process is necessarily opaque and intuitive. If the crew team needs a coxswain or the band an oboist, the student who meets the institutional need will be admitted, other elements being equal. • GPA will be recalculated according to a university's own formula. Some, like Emory and UC, do not count 9th grade. "Spiky grades" with ups and downs are a distinctive negative. • Admissions/enrollment management increasingly resembles Moneyball, with sophisticated algorithms indicating "who was most interested in the school, who would enroll if accepted, and even how much financial aid it would take to attract them" (122). • The average college accepts 6/10 applicants; only 46 accept fewer than 20%. • If admissions officers are skeptical of some claim, they are more likely to defer admission (wait list). • There are no hard and fast rules. Nuance, finessing, and institutional needs you have no way of knowing are crucial parts of the process.
Section C reveals the percentage of students with certain GPA and SAT/ACT scores, so you can know where you stand with yours. In Section C7, the university lists the criteria it considers important in admissions decisions. Look at the last category: interest. Some, like Berry in Georgia, actually want you to email them every week with updates(!); others (most of the "sellers") already know you're interested; you don't have to prove it. Where it does matter, students should be engaging weekly with the college's social media and website (they log the IP address), emailing the admissions counselor for their region, meeting with them when they visit the school; that person may read your application. This can mean the difference between acceptance and rejection and financial aid or not.
Other colleges don't care about community service but value work. You won't know what they want unless you look. This helps you to craft your essay accordingly AND know about the university culture.
In C21, see how many applicants are accepted in the Early Action or Early Decision pool. Selingo devotes a great deal of attention to EA and ED. ED is not a good plan for anyone who needs to compare financial packages, because a decision will be due before other decisions are returned. Also keep in mind that ED and EA admit rates will be higher because of the composition of that pool: nearly all of the recruited athletes, full-pay students, and low-income, first-generation students who are part of programs like QuestBridge and Posse.
Section G shows the cost to attend. Section H2 provides the number of students who apply and receive need-based aid and what the average amount is. Usually the university "discount rate" is just under 50%. Would you be more likely to buy a car for $5000 or a car that is usually $10,000, discounted to $5000? They know that about you. That's why they give you a SALE! price and make you feel special. Psychology and Marketing 101.
Section J lists the number of degrees conferred in each major, so you know how popular your prospective major is. Some universities admit by major; find out which of yours do. Major matters in another way. Use JobSearchIntelligence.com and universities' institutional research reports on student outcomes data (ask for it if you can't find it) to learn starting salaries for specific majors. At this writing, Bio and Chem majors' starting salaries are around $20,000. So much for lucrative STEM fields.
Back to athletics. In addition to the quote at the top of this review, there's more. "Because they field dozen of sports with attention paid to making sure each roster is full, selective colleges like Amherst or Harvard find themselves with fewer spots for nonathletes" (155). The fastest growing high school sports for boys: fencing, volleyball and lacrosse; girls: lacrosse, fencing, and rifle. The former Dean of Admissions at Princeton confessed that "no hook was stronger in assisting the prospect of an applicant than athletics" (157). And make no mistake, athletes are mostly white and wealthy, major in econ, poli sci, and history, and rank in the bottom 1/3 of their class.
Selingo clarifies another point: people do not understand that the high school matters. Read this article: The Frog Pond Revisited: High School Academic Context, Class. Rank, and Elite College Admission by Thomas J. Espenshade et al. It is difficult for a high school to establish a record with a college. 18% of high schools are responsible for 75% of applications and 80% of admitted students. Selingo doesn't go into the details of how high schools are evaluated beyond stating that officers review the list of students' universities acceptances, but I will.
• What's the median SAT [or ACT] score? From personal experience, I can attest to the difference in high schools with a median of 1020 and 1480. • What's the highest math? If it's pre-calculus, that's a world of difference from Multivariable Calculus, Differential Equations, and Theoretical Math. • What % go to a 4 year college?
Obviously, a GPA in one high school does not reflect the same rigor as the same GPA in another, and 40% of all American high school students graduate with an A average in 1998; half do today. That's why we need standardized testing. Unfortunately, Selingo repeats the fallacy that "test results are closely correlated with family income," but we know that is not true. Impoverished Asians, for example, score higher than the top quintiles of other ethnic groups. Standardized testing was found in many studies conducted by UC researchers to help discover minority students they wouldn't have found otherwise.
Here's a principal point: Parents need to be parents and say no. Too many times, students' emotional desire to leave the state ("I gotta get out of _____") results in attendance of a lesser ranked university at twice the price, incurring high student loan debt. They can leave the state once they earn the degree; don't give in! Even massive universities like UCLA can offer a small college feel due to discussion groups, but with vast opportunities. In the past five years, most of my students who have elected to attend small colleges and even medium sized universities (4000-7000 undergraduates) with excellent reputations have wound up transferring to larger ones and are delighted with the difference. That's unexpected, but true. Selingo doesn't mention return on investment, which is too extensive a topic to deal with here, but in a nutshell, if the prospective career is not a particularly lucrative one, it is logical to consider only inexpensive options.
Regarding elite institutions, "At a top-ranked school, you'll step into a river of valedictorians, calculus geeks, and National Merit Scholars. They'll pull you along, or...wash you out." Selingo writes that parents believe the relationships students form "will give their teenagers entrée into society's highest echelons" (249), but it does not work that way. Please read at least my review of Paying for the Party, but the book is well worth your attention. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show... Your middle class kid is not going to be going on all expense paid weekend skiing trips in Gstaad with the billionaire's kid. Do you honestly think salaries are higher in some fields for grads from highly selective schools just because they went to that school? Money in money out. Those universities and those elite professional services companies accept most of their students from the highest socioeconomic quintile; the students have connections. They attended the "right" preschools, primary schools, summer camps, boarding schools, etc. [See first quote above]. It's not that students from lowest quintiles will be admitted to the country club set. That's quite rare. Read my review of The Privileged Poor to see how that works out. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show... Or, if you're up for a scarier scenario, screen the film or re-read Patricia Highsmith's thriller The Talented Mr. Ripley.That's about right.
A final note, focus on finding an affordable, financially solvent university where students graduate on time, have access to faculty, advising, and internships, and a suitable major, possibly with a desired concentration.
It's surprising that Selingo doesn't address the solvency issue. It is expected that 20% of private colleges will go under in the next few years; there are hundreds that have already closed. See for example the Forbes article "Dawn Of The Dead: For Hundreds Of The Nation’s Private Colleges, It’s Merge Or Perish" to gauge the financial health of a college before COVID. Be assured that their financial situation has only declined. Many had to return the funds paid for room and board when students were sent home, but still had to pay for maintenance and other contracts.
In summary, this is an okay book from a higher education journalist. If you want inside information and a usable guide, see https://www.amazon.com/Truth-about-Co... (less
生手造出来的房子质量如何?会不会是豆腐渣工程?纯好奇!
真的是这样,主要还是看孩子的主观能动性啊
运土搬东西在工地上干这些还是行的,我看她们主要干这个,她们说很累,因为没有真正的路。
这个是每月1000吗?