Jesse D. Bloom1,2, Yujia Alina Chan3, Ralph S. Baric4, Pamela J. Bjorkman5, Sarah Cobey6, Benjamin E. Deverman3, David N. Fisman7, Ravindra Gupta8, Akiko Iwasaki9,2, Marc Lipsitch10, Ruslan Medzhitov9,2, Richard A. Neher11, Rasmus Nielsen12, Nick Patterson13, Tim Stearns14, Erik van Nimwegen11, Michael Worobey15, David A. Relman16,17,* 1Basic Sciences and Computational Biology, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, Seattle, WA 98109, USA. 2Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Chevy Chase, MD 20815, USA. 3Stanley Center for Psychiatric Research, Broad Institute of Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02142, USA. 4Department of Epidemiology and Department of Microbiology & Immunology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. 5Division of Biology and Biological Engineering, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA 91125, USA. 6Department of Ecology and Evolution, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637, USA. 7Dalla Lana School of Public Health, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON M5S 1A8, Canada. 8Cambridge Institute of Therapeutic Immunology & Infectious Disease, Cambridge, UK. 9Department of Immunobiology, Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, CT 06519, USA. 10Department of Immunology and Infectious Diseases and Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, Department of Epidemiology, Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health, Boston, MA 02115, USA. 11Biozentrum, University of Basel and Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics, Basel, Switzerland. 12Department of Integrative Biology and Department of Statistics, University of California, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA. 13Department of Human Evolutionary Biology, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA. 14Department of Biology and Department of Genetics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305, USA. 15Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721, USA. 16Department of Medicine and Department of Microbiology & Immunology, Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, CA 94305, USA. 17Center for International Security and Cooperation, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305, USA. ↵* Corresponding author. Email: [email protected] 都是在各自领域声名显赫的人物。 我下午发了这个贴,马上被一堆人攻击成轮子,给移到垃圾版了。https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2685187 大佬们也没说是中国实验室制造的,结果很多人默认是在针对中国。呵呵,眼睛一蒙,就可以装作看不见了。华人种族里面鸵鸟阿Q特别多。
回复 421楼chihuoshenqi的帖子 大佬们说研究新冠源头到底是自然界还是人工泄露的是必要和可行的。没有结论,但是说: "we note that at the beginning of the pandemic, it was Chinese doctors, scientists, journalists, and citizens who shared with the world crucial information about the spread of the virus—often at great personal cost " 我们也不能忘记。
个人推测,什么时候福气也离婚了, 那离真相爆出也不远了。
关键是错了还大力掩盖 初期还任由疫情发展
NIH 的 RO1 资金的申请需要注明详细的资金花费,注明详细的 sub contractor. (我自己也有申请 NIH 的项目基金,对这个程序很清楚) EHA 申请的 NIH RO1 资金注明了武汉病毒所的石正丽组为 sub contractor
查看具体的 NIH Grant:
https://grantome.com/grant/NIH/R01-AI110964-04
查看 Publication section:
这些都是石正丽组的 publication
Daszak, Peter ? the one who led the investigation at Wuhan? no conflict of interest?
印象里参与调查的成员必须经过中国同意
额, 这个有截图吗
往前翻一页,层主已经说她说错了,写的是coronavirus, 而不是covid19
问题在于雾都所是否从事Gain of function研究; 如果有,的funding从哪里来? 北卡的Baric组做的GOF研究在2014年已经被NIH叫停。 即使雾都所没有从事GOF研究, 管理不善,造成实验室事故的可能性也是非常大的。 记得在2019年9月武汉非常诡异地举行了防Coronan virus的演习。很可能那个时候就已经发生了事故。
http://www.ctdsb.net/html/2019/0918/sportsMeet260345.html 守国门安全、保军运平安,武汉海关演练口岸突发事件应急处置 2019-09-18 19:05:52 来源:楚天都市报-看楚天 楚天都市报9月18日讯(记者周丹 通讯员陈力玲 袁剑 黄勇)9月18日下午,来自某国的入境航班抵达武汉天河国际机场,门户式核辐射监测系统突然报警,武汉海关隶属武汉天河机场海关关员立即对触发报警旅客及随身行李进行控制,并开展复查确认。经排查,该名旅客携带1瓶“缅甸矿砂”,辐射严重超标…… 另一边,机场海关又接到航空公司报告“入境航空器上1名旅客身体不适,呼吸窘迫,生命体征不稳定”,机场海关立即启动应急预案,迅速开展病例转运和航空器卫生处理,并对密切接触者和一般接触者开展排查与监测……两个小时后,武汉市急救中心反馈,转运病例已临床诊断为新型冠状病毒临床诊断病例……
制毒投毒的剧本设计本来是要在美国先爆发的
没想到武汉community实验失控了
亲自指挥亲自部署决定一不做二不休开干了
基本指导思想就是自己不好过,别人都要陪着死
完全不用这么复杂,很简单,你可以search一下他们发表的nature文章,里面研究内容,后面资金来源,一清二楚。 这事儿捆绑了太多利益相关者,大家都是睁一只眼闭一只眼。狐狸台有评论说福奇的回答是经过律师指导的,文字上滴水不漏。 即使从美国政治出发,民主党更是害怕这个话题成为和党的武器,也不会太较真的。
Definitely a conflict of interest.
确实是的, 上面提到的基于 NIH funding 的论文在 acknowledge 部分都有明显的说明 NIH fund 来源,比如 2018 年的这篇:
Funding 部分:
从论文可以看出他们手中有墨江矿工冠状病毒的部分测序和大量其他SARS-like冠状病毒的测序,这些和新冠关系很近的测序从来没有公开过。他们还用WIV-1毒株为骨架把很多很多只有部分测序的SARS-like冠状病毒给重建出来,并且验证了这些病毒对人ACE2受体的感染性,结论是只有云南地区采集到的毒株能够利用ACE2受体感染人体细胞。另外注意所有的这些实验都是在BSL2等级的实验室做的。
病毒可以做几千种改造,筛出来一两个优秀选手。做疫苗难度大的多
无知者,无畏!唉
中国科研水平本来就不能用一个简单的落后或者先进来贴标签, 这个靶子水平就很低
再者, 中国科研的跟进能力是很强的,而且监管相对不严格。 很多年了, 欧美国家不能做的实验都在中国先做了, 以胚胎干细胞、 基因编辑为典型。
具体到这次新冠, 现在还是疑点多多、迷雾重重, 没有实锤。 可怕的是, 似乎中美都有一些势力在掩盖真相
发表于:2021-05-13 01:38|只看TA 举报|字体大小:T|T 从科研水平上来说,huaren上好多人都说中国科研差得要命,所以疫苗应该接近无用,但是又相信中国可以研制出这种接近完美的病毒。
感谢提供这个资料
大佬们坐不住了
Jesse D. Bloom1,2, Yujia Alina Chan3, Ralph S. Baric4, Pamela J. Bjorkman5, Sarah Cobey6, Benjamin E. Deverman3, David N. Fisman7, Ravindra Gupta8, Akiko Iwasaki9,2, Marc Lipsitch10, Ruslan Medzhitov9,2, Richard A. Neher11, Rasmus Nielsen12, Nick Patterson13, Tim Stearns14, Erik van Nimwegen11, Michael Worobey15, David A. Relman16,17,* 1Basic Sciences and Computational Biology, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, Seattle, WA 98109, USA. 2Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Chevy Chase, MD 20815, USA. 3Stanley Center for Psychiatric Research, Broad Institute of Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02142, USA. 4Department of Epidemiology and Department of Microbiology & Immunology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. 5Division of Biology and Biological Engineering, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA 91125, USA. 6Department of Ecology and Evolution, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637, USA. 7Dalla Lana School of Public Health, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON M5S 1A8, Canada. 8Cambridge Institute of Therapeutic Immunology & Infectious Disease, Cambridge, UK. 9Department of Immunobiology, Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, CT 06519, USA. 10Department of Immunology and Infectious Diseases and Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, Department of Epidemiology, Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health, Boston, MA 02115, USA. 11Biozentrum, University of Basel and Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics, Basel, Switzerland. 12Department of Integrative Biology and Department of Statistics, University of California, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA. 13Department of Human Evolutionary Biology, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA. 14Department of Biology and Department of Genetics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305, USA. 15Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721, USA. 16Department of Medicine and Department of Microbiology & Immunology, Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, CA 94305, USA. 17Center for International Security and Cooperation, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305, USA. ↵* Corresponding author. Email: [email protected]
都是在各自领域声名显赫的人物。 我下午发了这个贴,马上被一堆人攻击成轮子,给移到垃圾版了。https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2685187 大佬们也没说是中国实验室制造的,结果很多人默认是在针对中国。呵呵,眼睛一蒙,就可以装作看不见了。华人种族里面鸵鸟阿Q特别多。
Lol,我也发了个贴,一分钟就被打入冷宫了
大佬们说研究新冠源头到底是自然界还是人工泄露的是必要和可行的。没有结论,但是说: "we note that at the beginning of the pandemic, it was Chinese doctors, scientists, journalists, and citizens who shared with the world crucial information about the spread of the virus—often at great personal cost "
我们也不能忘记。
这里很关键的是墨江病人样本病毒他们是有的,然而测序一直没有公布。这个病毒比他们公布那个RaTg13肯定更接近,很可能就是来源。 石正丽 2018年申请自然科学奖的材料也很多相关内容,那个申请材料也从网上消失了。