美国也要与时俱进,不然也会落后

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三权分立被称为美国强大原因之一,今天我有些怀疑。看左右两派天天舌战没完没了,象夫妻吵架一样公说公有理婆说婆有理,谁也不听谁的。如果一个家庭这样天天吵闹中过不上好日子,一个国家会好吗?
还有second amendment原本是给18世纪平民反抗暴政武器,这年头政府有飞机大炮原子弹怕你几条破枪。况且民主体制下出问题,暴力是最好解决问题方法?在美国现在不是政府怕百姓有枪,而是良民怕坏人有枪。
还有医疗。世界花费第一发达国家健康水平倒数第几。在其它发达国家医疗服务是人权,美国对公众健康的看法不知还停留在哪个世纪。一个国家不能与时俱进落后是早晚的事。
被逼成了怨妇
典型中国思维! 敢于讨论和争辩,社会才会进步。5
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典型中国思维! 敢于讨论和争辩,社会才会进步。5
被逼成了怨妇 发表于 2021-04-14 19:05

那英国澳大利亚新西兰也是中国思维,出现一个mass shooting立刻禁枪限枪,不像美国死了一堆人无动于衷,只有美国进步
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<与时俱进> <与时俱进> <与时俱进>

Q 某一天,上帝终于降临人间,他显示为人形,出现在烈火熊熊的广场之上(就在昨天,这个广场刚刚活活烧死了上百名异教徒)。
上帝虽然是悄悄地出现,但是大家一下子全认出了他。人们争先恐后地拥到他的面前,围住他,聚集在他身边,跟着他走。人们哭着,吻着他走过的土地。孩子们把花朵扔到他面前,唱着歌。大家反复地说,“这一定就是他,除了他,不会是别人。”
 将近九十岁的红衣主教、宗教大法官本人恰好也走过广场。他同样认出了上帝,但他却吩咐卫队把他抓住。卫队把犯人关进了宗教法庭的古老大厦中一间带圆顶的狭窄而阴沉的监狱。
在监狱里,宗教大法官和上帝进行了一番谈话。其实,应该说是宗教大法官一个人在说话才对,因为上帝从头到尾一言未发。(解释权不再在原创者手里了)。
宗教大法官如是告诉上帝,“我完全知道你要说的话。就算是你本人,你也没有权利在你以前说过的话之外再添加些什么,你为什么到这里来妨碍我们?……你既然已经把一切都交给了教皇,那就一切都已在教皇的手里,你现在根本不必来,至少目前你不该来碍事……”
故事的最后,宗教大法官走到门边,打开牢门,对上帝说:“你走吧,再也别来了……千万别来了……永远,永远!”
于是上帝离开了,他满足了他的仆人——宗教大法官的要求。
我们看到,宗教大法官以仆人的身份,居然驱逐了他侍奉的上帝。他必须让上帝离开,以便继续保持自己的无上权威,继续维护自己对人民的统治。 UQ
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Boilfrog
抓到五毛大外宣一枚。除了抹黑自由世界,你们还会干什么?
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抓到五毛大外宣一枚。除了抹黑自由世界,你们还会干什么?
Boilfrog 发表于 2021-04-14 21:08

@Boilfrog <中国已经不能自身改良。只有天灾人祸,再加上新八国联军,才有那么一点机会把文化和精神还在原始社会的人拽出来。> https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2572107&postid=84740232#84740232
@Boilfrog <支持猪党的不是蠢就是坏。对邪恶不斗争就是入伙。> https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2572068&postid=84738813#84738813
@Boilfrog <在中国有脊梁的人骨头早就给打断了,剩下的都是软体动物> https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2572070&postid=84738790#84738790
@Boilfrog <这么多五毛带节奏的.美国仅仅六月就新增就业六百多万人. 你们还是去关心自己的垃圾国家吧,好走不送.> https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2568044&postid=84615768#84615768
爱与自由
同意,傲慢自满是失败的开始,美国极右已经阻碍社会发展很多年了,所谓第二修正案赋予人民持枪的权利也不过是NRA的宣传而已 最近bill maher有一期就说了应该向中国学习的很多地方
https://youtu.be/2DH4v6FnbvM
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学习什么,学习制毒放毒?制造大饥荒?毒奶粉?集中营?屠杀香港和平示威者?侵占台湾南海印度主权?跪舔北韩俄国独裁者?
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回复 7楼爱与自由的帖子
学习什么,学习制毒放毒?制造大饥荒?毒奶粉?集中营?屠杀香港和平示威者?侵占台湾南海印度主权?跪舔北韩俄国独裁者?
Boilfrog 发表于 2021-04-14 21:39

推举boilfrog为被西方媒体洗脑的人的代表
爱与自由
回复 7楼爱与自由的帖子
学习什么,学习制毒放毒?制造大饥荒?毒奶粉?集中营?屠杀香港和平示威者?侵占台湾南海印度主权?跪舔北韩俄国独裁者?
Boilfrog 发表于 2021-04-14 21:39

学习什么我链接都贴了,不好意思不负责喂到嘴里
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stone336
一场疫情,美国死亡了快到60万了,感染者3000多万了,有很多后遗症严重,现在还在各种限制,每天死亡平均千人以上,悲剧时时上演。中国专制,死亡了几千人,现在开始大规模活动了,旅游、下饭店、聚会、比赛正常进行了。美国人都不愿死亡,这种死亡是必须的吗?不能做的更好一些吗?
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回复 7楼爱与自由的帖子
学习什么,学习制毒放毒?制造大饥荒?毒奶粉?集中营?屠杀香港和平示威者?侵占台湾南海印度主权?跪舔北韩俄国独裁者?
Boilfrog 发表于 2021-04-14 21:39

Good questions! But I think every country does have individual's unique major problems and issues, historical or present.
Perhaps the most important thing would be:
When we try to project/analyse, whether the country (especially an emerging one) would have/produce feasible/foreseeable solutions regarding those problems/issues (as well as many many other important problems/issues) in a positive/constructive trend that we can see/think.



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一场疫情,美国死亡了快到60万了,感染者3000多万了,有很多后遗症严重,现在还在各种限制,每天死亡平均千人以上,悲剧时时上演。中国专制,死亡了几千人,现在开始大规模活动了,旅游、下饭店、聚会、比赛正常进行了。美国人都不愿死亡,这种死亡是必须的吗?不能做的更好一些吗?
stone336 发表于 2021-04-16 10:30

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_of_drugs
Prohibition in the United States was a nationwide constitutional ban on the production, importation, transportation, and sale of alcoholic beverages from 1920 to 1933. ... Prohibition supporters, called "drys", presented it as a battle for public morals and health.
Prohibition in the United States - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_and_Unjust_Wars

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Good questions! But I think every country does have individual''''s unique major problems and issues, historical or present.
Perhaps the most important thing would be:
When we try to project/analyse, whether the country (especially an emerging one) would have/produce feasible/foreseeable solutions regarding those problems/issues (as well as many many other important problems/issues) in a positive/constructive trend that we can see/think.




EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-16 14:39

Furthermore, a systemic problem can only br solved by systemic solution, rather than just sub/local-optimisation one. Like, fire prevention (long term) rather than fire fighting (short term), therefore annual bonus alone should not be good incentive, according to Deming theory.
(The term Systemic (systems-viewed/approached) could be quite new or fairly hard to comprehand by some chinese readers, since ...)
Afetr we lived in a western democratic country for many many years, we might think a systemic problem with long historical issues plus future expectations/preventions cannot be easily solved by short term politicians who really want quick fix and performance to be seen within her/his term before re-election. ...
Q Systems theory is the interdisciplinary study of systems, which are cohesive groups of interrelated, interdependent parts that can be natural or human-made. Every system is bounded by space and time, influenced by its environment, defined by its structure and purpose, and expressed through its functioning.
Systems theory - Wikipedia
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做为公民当然希望美国好,但3亿人在14亿人面前称老大不是正常现象,所以按正常规律中、印超过美国只是时间问题,现在中国又是在后面直逼美国的,对这个现实美国人没有心理准备
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Q PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) report, India''''s GDP at purchasing power parity could overtake that of the United States by 2045.[308] UQ
By the time of overtaking, our earth might have only few people left, after moving nearly all to somewhere in the sky!
Q Last April, the Pentagon released three videos of UAPs taken in 2004 and 2015 that included audio of pilots amazed at the speed of the objects they were seeing. “Look at that thing, dude!” one pilot said. “It’s rotating!” UQ
btw, 737 MAX機發現更多電線技術問題 今日 09:18
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做为公民当然希望美国好,但3亿人在14亿人面前称老大不是正常现象,所以按正常规律中、印超过美国只是时间问题,现在中国又是在后面直逼美国的,对这个现实美国人没有心理准备
pilingjushi 发表于 2021-04-16 19:04

意思是说不久的将来印度可以再中国面前称老大??还在按照人多力量大的思维吗?
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Q Cosmopolitanism is the idea that all human beings are, or could or should be, members of a single community. Different views of what constitutes this community may include a focus on moral standards, economic practices, political structures, and/or cultural forms.[1] A person who adheres to the idea of cosmopolitanism in any of its forms is called a cosmopolitan or cosmopolite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmopolitanism UQ
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<After we lived in a western democratic country for many many years, we might think a systemic problem with long historical issues plus future expectations/preventions cannot be easily solved by short term politicians who really want quick fix and performance to be seen within her/his term before re-election. ...>
Looks like the leaders of western democratic countries could provide suitable Roadmap organised for required restructure/reformation/improvement (running faster/jumping higher), rather than merely complaints against China. 
Whether or not the complaints are true and valid!
Sporting spirit!
Q 胡錫進形容,自己雖然不是政治學者,但大家都有眼睛,西方的問題比比皆是,他們的體制顯然已經應對不了自己的問題。社會發展陷入嚴重停滯,政治分裂常常打亂正常秩序,這是一種綜合性危機。 ... 胡錫進最後表示,西方必須改革,實現他們的體制從以資本為中心,向以人民為中心的轉變。
https://china.hket.com/article/2934576/ UQ

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Q “谁言寸草心,报得三春晖。”妈妈的爱,妈妈的恩情是无法报答的。她的许多教诲已经渗透到我的细胞中、融人我的血液中。人们之间许多事是可以相互模仿的,甚至是苦心孤诣做作的。但是,唯有真诚、朴实和善良的情感和心灵是做不了假的。只要看他的眼睛,看他的同情心,看他在危难中的勇气,看他在关系国家前途命运关键时刻的担当精神,就可以窥见他的真实。我同情穷人、同情弱者,反对欺侮和压迫。我心目中的中国应该是一个充满公平正义的国家,那里永远有对人心、人道和人的本质的尊重,永远有青春、自由、奋斗的气质。我为此呐喊过、奋斗过。这是生活让我懂得的真理,也是妈妈给予的。 UQ https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2675815&postid=87895656#87895656
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都是经济问题
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_of_drugs
Prohibition in the United States was a nationwide constitutional ban on the production, importation, transportation, and sale of alcoholic beverages from 1920 to 1933. ... Prohibition supporters, called "drys", presented it as a battle for public morals and health.
Prohibition in the United States - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_and_Unjust_Wars


EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-16 14:46

在两军阵前,为了保护自己,都躲在战壕里,失去的活动的自由,但挽救了生命。对待病毒也一样,是美国人的自私,和官僚对宪法的误读,才如此。
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做为公民当然希望美国好,但3亿人在14亿人面前称老大不是正常现象,所以按正常规律中、印超过美国只是时间问题,现在中国又是在后面直逼美国的,对这个现实美国人没有心理准备
pilingjushi 发表于 2021-04-16 19:04

Q 歐美領袖剩他撐場法國總統馬克龍卻說:西方霸權已終結|朱雲漢 https://www.master-insight.com › 歐...
11 Oct 2019 — 「他們在擁有經濟實力後,開始尋找屬於自己的哲學和文化,不再迷信西方的政治,」他認為,「這正是西方霸權終結的開始。西方霸權的終結,不 ...
峰會閉幕後不久,法國召開駐外使節會議,馬克龍語重心長地表示,「中國、俄羅斯、印度,這幾個國家對比美國、法國和英國,他們的政治想像力,都要遠比今天的西方人強。」
「他們在擁有經濟實力後,開始尋找屬於自己的哲學和文化,不再迷信西方的政治,」他認為,「這正是西方霸權終結的開始。西方霸權的終結,不在於經濟衰落,不在於軍事衰落,而在於文化衰落。」

馬克宏提西方霸權終結主張大膽承擔風險策略| 國際| 中央社CNA https://www.cna.com.tw › news › aopl
30 Aug 2019 — 法國總統馬克宏對駐外大使演說,他說,中國及世界都在改變,法國應在亞洲扮演平衡角色,更重視印度太平洋區域,在西方霸權可能終結的過程 ...
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Q “谁言寸草心,报得三春晖。”妈妈的爱,妈妈的恩情是无法报答的。她的许多教诲已经渗透到我的细胞中、融人我的血液中。人们之间许多事是可以相互模仿的,甚至是苦心孤诣做作的。但是,唯有真诚、朴实和善良的情感和心灵是做不了假的。只要看他的眼睛,看他的同情心,看他在危难中的勇气,看他在关系国家前途命运关键时刻的担当精神,就可以窥见他的真实。我同情穷人、同情弱者,反对欺侮和压迫。我心目中的中国应该是一个充满公平正义的国家,那里永远有对人心、人道和人的本质的尊重,永远有青春、自由、奋斗的气质。我为此呐喊过、奋斗过。这是生活让我懂得的真理,也是妈妈给予的。 UQ https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.html?topicid=2675815&postid=87895656#87895656
EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-17 21:12

Perhaps the world"s countries, especially the major moes, need to define their National Vision Statement individually, with the help provided by the UN.
That could have widespread effects. I"d guess!
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https://china.hket.com/article/2936239/ UQ
Q A vision statement is an inspirational statement of an idealistic emotional future of a company or group. Vision describes the basic human emotion that a founder intends to be experienced by the people the organization interacts with, it grounds the group so it can actualize some existential impact on the world.
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Perhaps the world"s countries, especially the major moes, need to define their National Vision Statement individually, with the help provided by the UN.
That could have widespread effects. I"d guess!
Q 習近平說,人類社會應該向何處去?我們應該為子孫後代創造一個什麼樣的未來?對這一重大命題,我們要從人類共同利益出發,以負責任態度作出明智選擇。他提出四點倡議,分別是 平等協商,開創共贏共享的未來 開放創新,開創發展繁榮的未來 同舟共濟,開創健康安全的未來 堅守正義,開創互尊互鑒的未來 ... 要弘揚和平、發展、公平、正義、民主、自由的全人類共同價值,倡導不同文明交流互鑒,促進人類文明發展。
https://china.hket.com/article/2936239/ UQ
Q A vision statement is an inspirational statement of an idealistic emotional future of a company or group. Vision describes the basic human emotion that a founder intends to be experienced by the people the organization interacts with, it grounds the group so it can actualize some existential impact on the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_statement UQ
EvenOdd 发表于 2021-04-20 00:19

中国的vision statement 至少听上去不错,美国的太小气了basically we are the best you have to be like me
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The UN perhaps should spend much time, energy and money in helping individual country to define and update National Vision Statement, according to current economic development status (developed/ developing/ etc).
Almost like representing a nation"s characteristics. For attaining the common aim of world peace!
So that the country"s citizens should know how to monitor and measure the performance of their leaders whether without much deviations from the vision, and other countries know what and how to provide clearly required assistance/co-operation. 
Just imo.



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抓到五毛大外宣一枚。除了抹黑自由世界,你们还会干什么?
Boilfrog 发表于 2021-04-14 21:08

真正爱美国的人才能对这里的不足之处不熟视无睹