看到这篇文章,我只想转这个。 Declaration of Independence: A Transcription Note: The following text is a transcription of the Stone Engraving of the parchment Declaration of Independence (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) The spelling and punctuation reflects the original. In Congress, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies: For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends. We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
不实行23条确实是不尊重基本法的表现。
你开国际玩笑呢? 约束ccp?你没看这些幺蛾子都是ccp弄出来的,谁能约束得了它?
有引渡条约的当然跑过来了给你送回去,没有签引渡条约的就没义务给你送过去。中国为什么一直没和英国签引渡条约啊?中国的罪犯就不可能跑英国去吗?你这么义正言辞的,你去要英国签啊?你还可以要美国签啊?问题是人家英国美国跟这个签跟那个签,愿意跟你签吗?你想一想,为什么都不跟你签啊?英美都不愿跟你签,香港为啥就要改成跟你签啊?
中国大陆也还是号称自己是市场经济(市场经济等于资本主义)呢,不也是还挂着社会主义的羊头? 23条不符合香港民意才被董建华撤回的,一个违反大多数民意的法律凭什么一定要通过并强加在香港人头上?你以为这是ccp肆意篡改宪法肆意强奸大陆民意? 你这是偷换概念,基本法相当于一个国家的宪法,是不能随意修改的。
但是我想虚心请教一个问题:我对香港人对大陆人的态度都是间接听说,所以不想下结论。但是就他们是否“歧视”大陆人来讲,我听过一个npr采访的专题报道,采访一个游行的发起这人/至少是activist之一。她在radio采访中公开说大陆人来香港他们非常不喜欢,举的例子是他们民工蹲在街边(原话是说你看街上squat在路边的肯定是大陆人!)特别有损他们香港形象。美国记者有点惊讶,让她解释这个。make sure那些民工蹲的人没有任何其他伤风败俗的行为,只是蹲在路边。我觉得这个例子还是很明显歧视的。跟满地撒尿不一样性质,人家民工蹲没有伤害任何人。
我同意一个人不代表所有人,但是那个activist在接受国际采访的时候公开说这个,还是表现出一部分群体的歧视的。我支持香港人的这次抗争,但是同时说他们也是在民主自由的路上任重道远。
问题是香港接受和中国一国两制啊。英国和美国可不承诺不干涉中国内政和法治。
你可以说这法律多恶,香港人多不喜欢,但是它是法律,而且写在基本法里面了,属于香港应尽的义务,既然香港拒绝义务,那享受的权利也要打折扣。 宪法也可以修改的,美国宪法就有多个修正案。
你要是看了前两日示威视频里有个女孩把路障拉开就被几个示威分子群殴,会更改观的。
不懂你的逻辑。一国两制,引渡法,和干涉中国内政,是怎么扯到一起的?
适用啊,所以大家被烦也没辙,不照样让你们蹦跶吗?如果把你消失了,放心,我们也会为你出声的!就怕其他粉毛不给我们出声营救你。
容留他国的犯罪分子,就是干涉他国内政啊。 香港容留大陆的犯罪分子,也是干扰大陆的内政和法治,违背了一国两制原则。
游行示威过程中发生暴力冲突,这不是什么稀罕事。中共号召全国人民不忘“五四精神”,希望大陆人民不要忘了,五四学生运动时,高潮可是火烧赵家楼。把政府高官的房子都烧了,是不是一帮“暴徒”?五四运动的暴徒就可以无视,香港运动中的暴徒就成了中共宣传的主旋律了?
你这话说的,好像站方是你方阵营的一样。
既然已经写在基本法里了,何来强推23条立法之说? 既然在推那就是说还没有写在基本法里,都不是法律何来尽义务之说? 如果你真正实行美式制度,也可以啊,先开放普选,然后让普选产生的议员们去制定法律,再来说其他的。可是ccp敢?同意?敢同意?
中美中加中英之间都没有引渡条约,在美国加拿大英国犯罪了的外国人逃到中国去,中国会送回去吗?因为没有引渡条约,中国是不会送回去的。照你的说法,容留他国犯罪分子,中国也干涉他国内政了。你这么替中国揽锅中国承认不?真是无语!
强推是你说的。23条立法是基本法里规定的,但是香港拒绝,这是事实。 实行美式制度不是一国两制,香港回归的前提。
你真是理解错误,我是说像方斌等那种消失,我代表不了站方,我只能代表我自己!我不会再回你的帖了,你也赚了几块钱了,见好就收吧。
那是烧高官的房子,而不是烧平民的房子,否则对五四的风评会差很多。
因为这是对等的,双方都不送。不过目前有几例美加英的罪犯跑到中国,中国拒绝引渡的?
你先去温习一下董建华当特首的时候推的是啥再来为此产品洗地也不迟。
难道不是你挣工分?
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23条立法就2003年一次?后面就没有了?
你意思是殴打平民不行,殴打林郑甚至火烧林郑的房子的话,大陆对香港暴徒的风评会好很多啰。大陆民众有这种觉悟我真想不到啊。
如果你的运动是反对这个政权的话,那就应该冲着执政者去。比如打砸特首的官邸,攻打驻港部队军营,我认为这确实是有胆气的表现。即使政治观点不同,我也会佩服的。但是拿手无寸铁仅仅是观点不同的平民开刀,我为之不齿。
然而,我身边就有一例个人的命运被改变的事,让我不得不想想在香港发生的暴力到底有没有惠泽了香港人。 我的朋友,是大陆人转成的香港居民,其子去年秋季入学香港科技大学,然而因为是大陆口音讲普通话,受尽歧视委屈和不安全。其父不得不中断其学业,申请了美国大学。然而,因为疫情,孩子的入学变得有很大不稳定性,因为他没有参加中国的高考,也不可能回中国读大学。一个18,9岁的年轻香港人,命运被改写。
香港上街的年轻人,是真明白自己的所作所为对香港未来的影响吗?
既然两国之间没引渡条约,当然都不送。不送,拒绝引渡是正常的,需要举什么例子?倒是你举个美加英犯罪份子跑到中国,中国主动引渡送回美加英的例子看看?能举出来才是怪了。说什么“不送就是干涉别国内政”特别可笑。
你说得很明白,我支持你!有些人是光头上的虱子明摆着,人还装聋做哑!我也反对攻击平民,可是真到火头上,我真相信小年轻会搂不住火儿,年龄在那里,但不表示人家斗争的目的不纯!
中国还是要求美国把逃美的犯罪分子送回来,但是美国不干,反过来的例子倒是没有。 无论你承不承认,不引渡对方的犯罪分子,都是给对方的法制和内政造成干扰。
目的都是通过手段和结果表达的。你斗争了半天都是平民倒霉,你说你目的多高大上,有人信吗?
香港从回归到现在满打满算也就23年,中间发生了什么你不会自己去搜?度娘上没有你这都翻墙出来了不会放狗?
元朗白衣人袭击的是不是平民?港警拿催泪弹,棍子驱赶的是不是平民?既然你说香港运动是幕后黑手挑拨的,是国外反华势力支持的,你去向国外势力宣战呀,擒贼擒王去啊!把游行的平民打得头破血流算怎么回事啊?
你说的跟我说的完全不是一回事啊,我只是问lz对香港是否歧视大陆的看法,没有说香港警察和游行人民的是非啊
中间发生事情多了,你开始都说了23条是塞进基本法里的恶法,根上就有问题,所以香港方面拒绝跟中间发生的有关系吗?
警察打催泪弹驱散示威这是国际通用做法吧,美国前两日不也在明尼苏达干过吗? 现在中央怀疑香港有外国黑手,那就在香港实施国安法,斩断这黑手啊。
我的意思是歧视那还是轻的,你看到暴力那才更开眼呢。
两国之间又没有引渡条约,美国为什么要给你送回去?不送回去还成了干涉中国内政了?脸可真大!中国犯罪份子如果在美国境内没犯法,人家为什么要消耗自己警力资源配合你抓人?谁知道你们在中国境内是咋回事,你中国本身法制就是个笑话,你说的犯罪是不是真犯罪了美国也不能确定。要签引渡条约,是要基于两国互信的基础上的。这么多国家和地区不愿意跟中国签引渡条约,是因为大家都觉得中国的法律不可信!
你不用讨论什么主观意愿,客观上就是干扰对方的法制,干涉了内政。 举个例子,有人在天安门广场扔炸弹,然后火速南下进入香港,按照香港现在的法律和政治现实,此人就可以逍遥法外,但是对内陆的政治就形成重大干扰。 香港和大陆有一国两制这个绑定,所以甭管你多看不上中国的法律,你还是要恪守一国两制的原则,实施引渡条例。
个人认为一国两制后香港社会收入gap越来越大,普通民众生活包括穷人,中产阶级就像美国一样越来越下降,辛苦,zf对香港普通人,民众心态缺乏很多了解,只是觉得抓紧有钱人商界大佬就搞定了,没有做好深入人心的工作,没有让大众觉得大陆对香港的support 也有不少,是值得依靠和感谢的。没有让香港民众看到大陆各界对香港对大陆的支持的感激,难道没钱没资源对香港普通民众表示感激投桃报李吗,相互感激感恩的两边关系没有表现出来。工作非常失误。
这俩不是一回事,我不是在问谁更差,lz说香港人没有歧视大陆人,我才问的
通用做法?你确定?我怎么看到当时London小年轻闹事,打砸抢!用砖头把警察砸得节节败退,警察只用盾牌阻挡砖头,对于平静示威的,只有几个警察在那看着,连部队都没调动!
什么变了?
撒切尔当年揍工会游行你忘了? 明尼苏达前两天还打催泪弹呢,巴尔的摩装甲车都开上街了。
歧视那是轻的。
如果这人扔了炸弹然后逃到美国呢?你找美国要人美国会给吗?美国不给就是美国干涉中国内政了吗?中美之间没有引渡条约,美国当然可以不给你人,香港一样没有这个义务。香港和内地之间没有引渡条约,是97年以前一直存在的现实,是“制”的一部分。你现在强行要人家改制,就是破坏“一国两制”的承诺!
不把你所称的“犯罪分子”给你送回去,就是干涉你内政,这种说法真是闻所未闻!那中国公民在国内翻墙也犯法了,发布反党言论也犯法了,那是不是中国公民去了外国,外国还有责任帮你把中国公民都监督起来啊?在中国公民居所外面也得安上摄像头啊?一旦发现中国公民浏览国外网站了,发布不和谐言论了,就有义务把该中国公民给你送回去啊?不然就成了包庇犯罪,破坏中国法律,干涉中国内政了???OMG。
撒切尔的英国难道不是民主自由的英国,比现在差在哪里? 你这话跟美国诉说吧,凭什么打催泪弹,凭什么把装甲车开上街?
97年以前,香港和内地不是一国,而且香港没有主权,能不能引渡也不是香港说了算。但是现在是一国两制,既然一国,而且两制,就应该引渡。 国际关系上,干涉内政其实是普遍存在,比如美国就从来都是毫无忌惮地干涉他国内政,所以你也不要OMG,故作吃惊的样子。
我不觉得用催泪弹就不对,我只是举一下“先进”国家最新鲜的例子。
谁说我要学美国做霸主了。中国内地和香港有一国两制的关系就是绑定,既然绑定就有彼此的义务。
公开论坛,大家公开讨论呗,你不想继续不回帖子就是了。
你脸真大,这是替ccp解释基本法?
没有你脸大,你都可以说基本法是恶法了。
另外一个帖子回过你了,23条,引渡条例,国安法不等于基本法,而是对基本法的破坏。
“既然一国,而且两制,就应该引渡”,逻辑何在???合着“两制”是空头支票啊?打着“一国”的名义,啥制都想改,香港人最好只能决定每周几收居民垃圾好了。你中共不是还号称台湾也跟你一国吗?还是你一省呢。你问问台湾去,人会不会把你家的“犯罪份子”送回去吧。
23条就在基本法里,怎么是对基本法的破坏呢?
两制就是内地搞社会主义,香港搞资本主义。内地不干涉香港内政,香港也不干涉内地内政。现在内地的犯罪分子跑到香港会被包庇,这就严重干扰了内地的法制,这就是违背了两制。 台湾现在还没有接受一国两制啊,还处于分离状态。
因为基本法规定了ccp只能管香港的外交和国防
23条要求香港自己立法,但是香港拒绝,那就是违背了基本法。你default了,也就丧失了相应的权利。
23条立法是2002年左右的事情,现在是2020年,这中间这么多年ccp啥也没干,现在发什么神经? 难不成基本法随便ccp想怎么解释就怎么解释?
撒切尔可以决定用催泪弹,但同时下次大选由全民投票决定如何评价她的决定。
习近平也可以决定在香港用催泪弹,有没有全国大选来评价他的选择呢?如果没有,就不要做这种狗屁比较吧。
当然遇到胡搅蛮缠不讲理但不讲脏话的,我一般绕行。
理性思考分析和讨论还是要有的。
另外,撒谎造假的大多会有被拆穿的一天。
谁告你ccp只能管香港的外交和国防,还是你自己做梦呢
第一百五十八条 本法的解释权属于全国人民代表大会常务委员会 第一百五十九条 本法的修改权属于全国人民代表大会
经费都批了,花呗,起不到预期效果就行。
基本法规定中央政府负责香港的外交和国防,其他事务属于香港内政。 至于全国人大的释法立法权不是同一回事。
这中间是给香港机会和时间。你应该问,香港这中间就23条都干了什么。
撒切尔用催泪弹是法律赋予的,同样,香港对于越矩的示威活动一样可以使用催泪弹。 香港用不用催泪弹,还到不了习近平这个层次来决定。
这我同意,所以有造假的我就会毫不犹豫地揭穿。
据说某功从美国批到了很多资金,现在势头很猛啊。
国安是不是属于国防范畴,这个由常委会解释。
基本法原文,你狡辩有啥依据
全国人民代表大会常务委员会在征询其所属的香港特别行政区基本法委员会和香港特别行政区政府的意见后,可对列于本法附件三的法律作出增减,任何列入附件三的法律,限于有关国防、外交和其他按本法规定不属于香港特别行政区自治范围的法律。 全国人民代表大会常务委员会决定宣布战争状态或因香港特别行政区内发生香港特别行政区政府不能控制的危及国家统一或安全的动乱而决定香港特别行政区进入紧急状态,中央人民政府可发布命令将有关全国性法律在香港特别行政区实施。
如果香港拒绝就23条立法,那国安问题就成为“其他按本法规定不属于香港特别行政区自治范围的法律。”,哇,这个雷埋得够深,大名鼎鼎的李柱铭大律师居然没看出来?
ccp真“仁慈”哦,是不是香港人要跪谢ccp不杀之恩?
你不懂中央政府和全国人大以及人大常委会的区别?
这叫goodwill。
这次国安法不就是人大常委会及人大在运作吗?
这叫evil‘s will。
等你23年立法还叫evil?
是没错啊,虽然中国一切都是ccp的,ccp也不过是在做样子搞一个立法机构(全国人大及常委会),执行机构(中央政府)当摆设。
但是即使这样基本法也还是规定了中央政府只管外交国防,而且是由全国人大及常委会释法立法,而不是中央政府释法立法。
这次不就是全国人大及常委会释法立法吗?你到底有什么疑问呢?
回归前ccp可是拍胸脯保证香港五十年不变的,你看看回归后ccp都干了啥。 言而无信说的就是ccp。
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