人民的希望 Remdesivir 4/29新闻

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Caffeine
楼主 (北美华人网)
声明:我不是托。没有和这个股票的任河关系。我的401k共同基金可能有。

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1. Fauci statements below. and CNBC video here: https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1255541788154224641?s=21
- NYT: FDA to announce Emergency Use of remdesivir as early as Wednesday
2. 北京这次怎么这么恶心啊。刚出了好消息,然后就把在中国的“failed" study 结果贴在了lancet上。你们这些人,做事要有点良心。一次次刷底线,要脸么?
3. 这个帖子一下子看出来需要屏蔽的id是什么。



两个Gilead自己的发布:

1. 第一个。这个是美国政府的双盲。

Gilead Sciences Statement on Positive Data Emerging From National Institute
of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ Study of Investigational Antiviral
Remdesivir for COVID-19

Business Wire

FOSTER CITY, Calif. -- April 29, 2020

Gilead Sciences. Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) is aware of positive data emerging from
the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ (NIAID) study of
the investigational antiviral remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19.
We
understand that the trial has met its primary endpoint and that NIAID will
provide detailed information at an upcoming briefing.

Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not yet
been demonstrated to be safe or effective for the treatment of COVID-19.
Gilead will share additional remdesivir data from the company’s open-label
Phase 3 SIMPLE trial in patients with severe COVID-19 disease shortly. This
study will provide information on whether a shorter, 5-day duration of therapy
may have similar efficacy and safety as the 10-day treatment course evaluated
in the NIAID trial and other ongoing trials. Gilead expects data at the end of
May from the second SIMPLE study evaluating the 5- and 10-day dosing durations
of remdesivir in patients with moderate COVID-19 disease.

Gilead will continue to discuss with regulatory authorities the growing data
set regarding remdesivir as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

2.randomized trial
Gilead Announces Results From Phase 3 Trial of Investigational Antiviral
Remdesivir in Patients With Severe COVID-19

-- Study Demonstrates Similar Efficacy with 5- and 10-Day Dosing Durations of
Remdesivir --

Business Wire

FOSTER CITY, Calif. -- April 29, 2020

Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced topline results from the
open-label, Phase 3 SIMPLE trial evaluating 5-day and 10-day dosing durations
of the investigational antiviral remdesivir in hospitalized patients with
severe manifestations of COVID-19 disease. The study demonstrated that
patients receiving a 10-day treatment course of remdesivir achieved similar
improvement in clinical status compared with those taking a 5-day treatment
course (Odds Ratio: 0.75 [95% CI 0.51 – 1.12] on Day 14). No new safety
signals were identified with remdesivir across either treatment group. Gilead
plans to submit the full data for publication in a peer-reviewed journal in
the coming weeks.

“Unlike traditional drug development, we are attempting to evaluate an
investigational agent alongside an evolving global pandemic. Multiple
concurrent studies are helping inform whether remdesivir is a safe and
effective treatment for COVID-19 and how to best utilize the drug,” said
Merdad Parsey, MD, PhD, Chief Medical Officer, Gilead Sciences. “These study
results complement data from the placebo-controlled study of remdesivir
conducted by the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases and
help to determine the optimal duration of treatment with remdesivir. The study
demonstrates the potential for some patients to be treated with a 5-day
regimen, which could significantly expand the number of patients who could be
treated with our current supply of remdesivir. This is particularly important
in the setting of a pandemic, to help hospitals and healthcare workers treat
more patients in urgent need of care.”

Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not yet
been demonstrated to be safe or effective for the treatment of COVID-19. This
study sought to determine whether a shorter, 5-day course of remdesivir would
achieve similar efficacy results as the 10-day treatment regimen used in
multiple ongoing studies of remdesivir. Secondary objectives included rates of
adverse events and additional measures of clinical response in both treatment
groups. Patients were required to have evidence of pneumonia and reduced
oxygen levels that did not require mechanical ventilation at the time of study
entry. Clinical improvement was defined as an improvement of two or more
points from baseline on a predefined seven-point scale, ranging from hospital
discharge to increasing levels of oxygen support to death. Patients achieved
clinical recovery if they no longer required oxygen support and medical care
or were discharged from the hospital.

In this study, the time to clinical improvement for 50 percent of patients was
10 days in the 5-day treatment group and 11 days in the 10-day treatment
group. More than half of patients in both treatment groups were discharged
from the hospital by Day 14 (5-day: 60.0%, n=120/200 vs.10-day: 52.3%
n=103/197; p=0.14). At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the
5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day
treatment group achieved clinical recovery.

Clinical outcomes varied by geography. Outside of Italy, the overall mortality
rate at Day 14 was 7 percent (n=23/320) across both treatment groups, with 64
percent (n=205/320) of patients experiencing clinical improvement at Day 14
and 61 percent (n=196/320) of patients discharged from the hospital.

Impact of Earlier Treatment

In an exploratory analysis, patients in the study who received remdesivir
within 10 days of symptom onset had improved outcomes compared with those
treated after more than 10 days of symptoms. Pooling data across treatment
arms, by Day 14, 62 percent of patients treated early were able to be
discharged from the hospital, compared with 49 percent of patients who were
treated late.

“These data are encouraging as they indicate that patients who received a
shorter, 5-day course of remdesivir experienced similar clinical improvement
as patients who received a 10-day treatment course,” said Aruna Subramanian,
MD, Clinical Professor of Medicine, Chief, Immunocompromised Host Infectious
Diseases, Stanford University School of Medicine, and one of the lead
investigators of the study. “While additional data are still needed, these
results help to bring a clearer understanding of how treatment with remdesivir
may be optimized, if proven safe and effective.”

Remdesivir was generally well-tolerated in both the 5-day and 10-day treatment
groups. The most common adverse events occurring in more than 10 percent of
patients in either group were nausea (5-day: 10.0%, n=20/200 vs. 10-day: 8.6%,
n=17/197) and acute respiratory failure (5-day: 6.0%, n=12/200 vs. 10-day:
10.7%, n= 21/197). Grade 3 or higher liver enzyme (ALT) elevations occurred in
7.3 percent (n=28/385) of patients, with 3.0 percent (n=12/397) of patients
discontinuing remdesivir treatment due to elevated liver tests.

Key efficacy and safety results from the study are included in the table
below.

5-Day RDV 10-Day RDV Baseline adjusted
n=200 n=197 p-value^1
Clinical Efficacy Outcomes at Day 14
≥ 2-point improvement in ordinal scale 129 (65) 107 (54) 0.16
Clinical recovery 129 (65) 106 (54) 0.17
Discharge 120 (60) 103 (52) 0.44
Death 16 (8) 21 (11) 0.70
Safety
Any adverse event (AE) 141 (71) 145 (74) 0.86
Grade ≥3 study drug-related AE 8 (4) 10 (5) 0.65
Study drug-related serious adverse 3 (2) 4 (2) 0.73
event (SAE)
AE leading to discontinuation 9 (5) 20 (10) 0.07

^1Adjusted for baseline clinical status

About the SIMPLE Trials

Gilead initiated two randomized, open-label, multi-center Phase 3 clinical
trials for remdesivir, the SIMPLE studies, in countries with high prevalence
of COVID-19 infection.

The first SIMPLE trial is evaluating the safety and efficacy of 5-day and
10-day dosing regimens of remdesivir in hospitalized patients with severe
manifestations of COVID-19. The initial phase of the study randomized 397
patients in a 1:1 ratio to receive remdesivir 200 mg on the first day,
followed by remdesivir 100 mg each day until day 5 or 10, administered
intravenously, in addition to standard of care. An expansion phase of the
study was recently added and will enroll an additional 5,600 patients,
including patients on mechanical ventilation. The study is being conducted at
180 trial sites around the world, including sites in the United States, China,
France, Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands, Singapore,
Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan and the United Kingdom.

A second SIMPLE trial is evaluating the safety and efficacy of 5-day and
10-day dosing durations of remdesivir administered intravenously in patients
with moderate manifestations of COVID-19, compared with standard of care. The
results from the first 600 patients of this study are expected at the end of
May.

 

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大青椒
258 楼

早就不抱希望了,但是药厂投入巨大,需要拉盘把股票逃出来,弥补损失。小散慎入!

大青椒 发表于 4/29/2020 11:56:40 AM


大青椒怎么跟你们说的,看看GILD股价,错了吗?今天CODX可是涨了16%!
川粉义和团们估计也买不起什么股票吧?不必操这份闲心。
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chashaobao
257 楼
这么长时间了,如果5天一组,都能测试十几轮了吧。全球这么多国家,用过的肯定不少。意大利和西班牙好像就有在用。到现在没有任何一个国家肯定他的治疗效果,肯定是有原因的。我听说副作用很明显,比如心律不齐。
djmiss 发表于 4/30/2020 1:33:42 AM


讲真,如果副作用只是心律不齐那不要太好了。。。

目前除了这个双盲其他基本都只有同情用药,大家之所以盼着这个临床数据就是想早点知道这个药到底能不能批。两个月1000多的临床实验这个速度已经很快了。说到没有任何一个国家肯定效果,不知道中国援助意大利的时候带的山寨版算不算肯定效果,到底是想拿意大利弟兄当小白鼠呢还是真心想提供帮助。。。。
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Chrissyliu1968
256 楼
希望很快有药治
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shimu
255 楼
回复 254楼cfc006的帖子 曹彬的实验经过同行评议在柳叶刀发表了。
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cfc006
254 楼
如果不吃药患者的血氧平均95,吃药患者的血氧平均95.1
20人吃药,20个人不吃药,p值可能是0.5
10000人吃药,10000人不吃药,同样的血氧平均值,p值可能降到0.01
后者比前者有statistically significant,但是没有clinically significant
cidcnm 发表于 4/30/2020 2:12:09 AM


這像是聽曹彬說的,一個人身高 1.75,一個人1.749。。。
到底事實是這樣嗎,人們要知道真相。
上網看一看就知道,曹彬一人中國一國在用一個被他們中止的實驗和全世界的專家們爭辯中,除了 Stupid 真不知說他們什麼好了。

 

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C
Caffeine
quick note from an analyst: "This is earlier than expected Most important study we are aware of. Has a placebo. This is the trial run by the govt – NOT the GILD trial we were expecting results out today or tomorrow. This was NOT just in severe patients. This is MODERATE and severe It hit the primary endpoint which means it hit the efficacy end point which for dummies means it works. "
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nyc15
声明:我不是托。没有和这个股票的任河关系。我的401k共同基金可能有。

两个Gilead自己的发布:

1. 第一个。这个是美国政府的双盲。

Gilead Sciences Statement on Positive Data Emerging From National Institute
of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ Study of Investigational Antiviral
Remdesivir for COVID-19

Business Wire

FOSTER CITY, Calif. -- April 29, 2020

Gilead Sciences. Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) is aware of positive data emerging from
the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ (NIAID) study of
the investigational antiviral remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19.
We
understand that the trial has met its primary endpoint and that NIAID will
provide detailed information at an upcoming briefing.

Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not yet
been demonstrated to be safe or effective for the treatment of COVID-19.
Gilead will share additional remdesivir data from the company’s open-label
Phase 3 SIMPLE trial in patients with severe COVID-19 disease shortly. This
study will provide information on whether a shorter, 5-day duration of therapy
may have similar efficacy and safety as the 10-day treatment course evaluated
in the NIAID trial and other ongoing trials. Gilead expects data at the end of
May from the second SIMPLE study evaluating the 5- and 10-day dosing durations
of remdesivir in patients with moderate COVID-19 disease.

Gilead will continue to discuss with regulatory authorities the growing data
set regarding remdesivir as a potential treatment for COVID-19.

2.randomized trial
Gilead Announces Results From Phase 3 Trial of Investigational Antiviral
Remdesivir in Patients With Severe COVID-19

-- Study Demonstrates Similar Efficacy with 5- and 10-Day Dosing Durations of
Remdesivir --

Business Wire

FOSTER CITY, Calif. -- April 29, 2020

Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced topline results from the
open-label, Phase 3 SIMPLE trial evaluating 5-day and 10-day dosing durations
of the investigational antiviral remdesivir in hospitalized patients with
severe manifestations of COVID-19 disease. The study demonstrated that
patients receiving a 10-day treatment course of remdesivir achieved similar
improvement in clinical status compared with those taking a 5-day treatment
course (Odds Ratio: 0.75 [95% CI 0.51 – 1.12] on Day 14). No new safety
signals were identified with remdesivir across either treatment group. Gilead
plans to submit the full data for publication in a peer-reviewed journal in
the coming weeks.

“Unlike traditional drug development, we are attempting to evaluate an
investigational agent alongside an evolving global pandemic. Multiple
concurrent studies are helping inform whether remdesivir is a safe and
effective treatment for COVID-19 and how to best utilize the drug,” said
Merdad Parsey, MD, PhD, Chief Medical Officer, Gilead Sciences. “These study
results complement data from the placebo-controlled study of remdesivir
conducted by the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases and
help to determine the optimal duration of treatment with remdesivir. The study
demonstrates the potential for some patients to be treated with a 5-day
regimen, which could significantly expand the number of patients who could be
treated with our current supply of remdesivir. This is particularly important
in the setting of a pandemic, to help hospitals and healthcare workers treat
more patients in urgent need of care.”

Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not yet
been demonstrated to be safe or effective for the treatment of COVID-19. This
study sought to determine whether a shorter, 5-day course of remdesivir would
achieve similar efficacy results as the 10-day treatment regimen used in
multiple ongoing studies of remdesivir. Secondary objectives included rates of
adverse events and additional measures of clinical response in both treatment
groups. Patients were required to have evidence of pneumonia and reduced
oxygen levels that did not require mechanical ventilation at the time of study
entry. Clinical improvement was defined as an improvement of two or more
points from baseline on a predefined seven-point scale, ranging from hospital
discharge to increasing levels of oxygen support to death. Patients achieved
clinical recovery if they no longer required oxygen support and medical care
or were discharged from the hospital.

In this study, the time to clinical improvement for 50 percent of patients was
10 days in the 5-day treatment group and 11 days in the 10-day treatment
group. More than half of patients in both treatment groups were discharged
from the hospital by Day 14 (5-day: 60.0%, n=120/200 vs.10-day: 52.3%
n=103/197; p=0.14). At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the
5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day
treatment group achieved clinical recovery.

Clinical outcomes varied by geography. Outside of Italy, the overall mortality
rate at Day 14 was 7 percent (n=23/320) across both treatment groups, with 64
percent (n=205/320) of patients experiencing clinical improvement at Day 14
and 61 percent (n=196/320) of patients discharged from the hospital.

Impact of Earlier Treatment

In an exploratory analysis, patients in the study who received remdesivir
within 10 days of symptom onset had improved outcomes compared with those
treated after more than 10 days of symptoms. Pooling data across treatment
arms, by Day 14, 62 percent of patients treated early were able to be
discharged from the hospital, compared with 49 percent of patients who were
treated late.

“These data are encouraging as they indicate that patients who received a
shorter, 5-day course of remdesivir experienced similar clinical improvement
as patients who received a 10-day treatment course,” said Aruna Subramanian,
MD, Clinical Professor of Medicine, Chief, Immunocompromised Host Infectious
Diseases, Stanford University School of Medicine, and one of the lead
investigators of the study. “While additional data are still needed, these
results help to bring a clearer understanding of how treatment with remdesivir
may be optimized, if proven safe and effective.”

Remdesivir was generally well-tolerated in both the 5-day and 10-day treatment
groups. The most common adverse events occurring in more than 10 percent of
patients in either group were nausea (5-day: 10.0%, n=20/200 vs. 10-day: 8.6%,
n=17/197) and acute respiratory failure (5-day: 6.0%, n=12/200 vs. 10-day:
10.7%, n= 21/197). Grade 3 or higher liver enzyme (ALT) elevations occurred in
7.3 percent (n=28/385) of patients, with 3.0 percent (n=12/397) of patients
discontinuing remdesivir treatment due to elevated liver tests.

Key efficacy and safety results from the study are included in the table
below.

5-Day RDV 10-Day RDV Baseline adjusted
n=200 n=197 p-value^1
Clinical Efficacy Outcomes at Day 14
≥ 2-point improvement in ordinal scale 129 (65) 107 (54) 0.16
Clinical recovery 129 (65) 106 (54) 0.17
Discharge 120 (60) 103 (52) 0.44
Death 16 (8) 21 (11) 0.70
Safety
Any adverse event (AE) 141 (71) 145 (74) 0.86
Grade ≥3 study drug-related AE 8 (4) 10 (5) 0.65
Study drug-related serious adverse 3 (2) 4 (2) 0.73
event (SAE)
AE leading to discontinuation 9 (5) 20 (10) 0.07

^1Adjusted for baseline clinical status

About the SIMPLE Trials

Gilead initiated two randomized, open-label, multi-center Phase 3 clinical
trials for remdesivir, the SIMPLE studies, in countries with high prevalence
of COVID-19 infection.

The first SIMPLE trial is evaluating the safety and efficacy of 5-day and
10-day dosing regimens of remdesivir in hospitalized patients with severe
manifestations of COVID-19. The initial phase of the study randomized 397
patients in a 1:1 ratio to receive remdesivir 200 mg on the first day,
followed by remdesivir 100 mg each day until day 5 or 10, administered
intravenously, in addition to standard of care. An expansion phase of the
study was recently added and will enroll an additional 5,600 patients,
including patients on mechanical ventilation. The study is being conducted at
180 trial sites around the world, including sites in the United States, China,
France, Germany, Hong Kong, Italy, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands, Singapore,
Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan and the United Kingdom.

A second SIMPLE trial is evaluating the safety and efficacy of 5-day and
10-day dosing durations of remdesivir administered intravenously in patients
with moderate manifestations of COVID-19, compared with standard of care. The
results from the first 600 patients of this study are expected at the end of
May.

Caffeine 发表于 2020-04-29 08:47

两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the 5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day treatment group achieved clinical recovery.
用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?
个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。
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wintergreen457
股市看涨, 好消息
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galezhang
本来就是应对伊波拉的药,指望它完全对症新冠从来就不现实。短期内没别的药,先拉上顶着而已,好歹比用于应对艾滋病的克利芝感觉离新冠近些
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victoriabaobei
也可以说10天对比5天用药之后没有出现明显的副作用不是吗 你这个ID反对药,反对疫苗,只要对病毒有利的消息下面都能看到你在下面踩几脚,什么心态?
两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the 5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day treatment group achieved clinical recovery. 用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的? 个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。 nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:00 AM
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nutrilite
GILD盘前大涨
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fly11
好消息。谢谢分享
C
Caffeine
也可以说10天对比5天用药之后没有出现明显的副作用不是吗
你这个ID反对药,反对疫苗,只要对病毒有利的消息下面都能看到你在下面踩几脚,什么心态?

victoriabaobei 发表于 4/29/2020 9:04:17 AM


这种带节奏的屏蔽就好了:)
两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-daytreatment group achieved clinical recovery.用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。
nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:13 AM

奇了怪了,是药三分毒没听过?能吃5天治好干嘛非要吃10天,完全没毛病。抗生素不也是有规定用药周期么
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nyc15
回复 6楼victoriabaobei的帖子
因为我对药和疫苗都很不看好,RNA病毒、ADE效应、大量二次感染和常阳患者的报告,这个冠状病毒哪那么容易被克服。不知道你们这些人的乐观态度都是哪里来的。。。
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stainlessbelief
回复 6楼victoriabaobei的帖子
因为我对药和疫苗都很不看好,RNA病毒、ADE效应、大量二次感染和常阳患者的报告,这个冠状病毒哪那么容易被克服。不知道你们这些人的乐观态度都是哪里来的。。。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 9:07:05 AM

别装了,你是对美国所有东西不看好
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pig0019

两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the
5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day
treatment group achieved clinical recovery.

用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?

个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:13 AM


没有对照组,研究个屁啊?!
这是有机构在炒作这只股票而已。
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fly11

别装了,你是对美国所有东西不看好
stainlessbelief 发表于 4/29/2020 9:09:23 AM

一针见血
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bigjohn123456
不错,前几天泄露不利消息的中国人跟WHO估计都赚了一笔。。。
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Absurdist
看看WHO武汉卫生组织上周的表演,是不是觉得无比丑恶?!
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pig0019
这只股票明显是机构炒作。大家小心。(楼主是华尔街的,一个月前就说疫情拐点,让大家进场救股市。)
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nyc15
回复 12楼stainlessbelief的帖子
我对厉害国在试验的三个疫苗更不看好,谢谢。不知道为什么总有人给我扣五毛的帽子。
厉害国的实验疫苗两个是灭活病毒,对免疫系统的刺激不够,说不定引发ADE死的更快;另一个腺病毒载体用的病毒在人群中太常见,大多数人对那个载体病毒已经有抗体,疫苗一打进去就被人体自己的免疫系统灭了。
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nj_guy
回复 12楼stainlessbelief的帖子
我对厉害国在试验的三个疫苗更不看好,谢谢。不知道为什么总有人给我扣五毛的帽子。

厉害国的实验疫苗两个是灭活病毒,对免疫系统的刺激不够,说不定引发ADE死的更快;另一个腺病毒载体用的病毒在人群中太常见,大多数人对那个载体病毒已经有抗体,疫苗一打进去就被人体自己的免疫系统灭了。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 9:15:08 AM


因为你就是五毛。
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fufusix
quick note from an analyst:
"This is earlier than expected
Most important study we are aware of. Has a placebo.
This is the trial run by the govt – NOT the GILD trial we were expecting results out today or tomorrow.
This was NOT just in severe patients. This is MODERATE and severe
It hit the primary endpoint which means it hit the efficacy end point which for dummies means it works. "
Caffeine 发表于 4/29/2020 8:48:37 AM


建议加上今早Dr. Scott Gottlieb 在CNBC的采访,他说话一直非常谨慎。

As we've been saying for some time now, accumulating data on Remdesivir suggests it's active against covid and there's now enough data to support consideration of access under an emergency use authorization by FDA. The data from NIAID study should push this firmly over the line.

Gilead’s remdesivir, along with therapeutic antibodies and improved testing, is part of “a robust toolbox,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb says. “All of this is going to put us in a much different posture for the fall.” https://cnb.cx/2SgbRfu

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1255484418745151495?s=20
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pig0019
华尔街要大家进场接盘了。
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PT8964


没有对照组,研究个屁啊?!
这是有机构在炒作这只股票而已。

pig0019 发表于 4/29/2020 9:11:14 AM

当然有对照。你没看试验设计吗?对照是“standard of care"
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pig0019
割韭菜开始
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fufusix
看看WHO武汉卫生组织上周的表演,是不是觉得无比丑恶?!
Absurdist 发表于 4/29/2020 9:13:31 AM


还有那个无底线维护WHO的盖子。今早看到他的一个采访,当记者问到疫情对美国经济和社会的灾难性影响,他都抑制不住得意的笑出声,起鸡皮疙瘩。
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dukenyc125
啪啪啪打你脸
两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-daytreatment group achieved clinical recovery.用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。
nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:13 AM
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cannie
划重点: 没有control group。 看得懂英文的好好读读 The main concern, they say, stems from the fact that the Gilead trial expected to read out this week, which was conducted among patients with severe disease, lacks a control group — that is, patients who are randomly assigned to receive the best treatment available, but not remdesivir. As designed, the only randomization is the duration of treatment: either five days or 10 days of drug. Without a true control group of patients, many experts say, it will be difficult to determine whether remdesivir is effective. “The overall study itself has little or no scientific value since all patients are receiving the drug,” said Steven Nissen, the chief academic officer at the Cleveland Clinic and lead investigator of many trials for heart drugs that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. “The study, as designed, is essentially useless and cannot be used by the FDA for consideration of remdesivir for approval to treat coronavirus,” Nissen said. Peter Bach, director of the Center for Health Policy and Outcomes at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, called the situation “frustrating.” “For them to run the trial in severe but not include a control group, it’s just such a waste,” Bach said.
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firmiana
本来就是应对伊波拉的药,指望它完全对症新冠从来就不现实。短期内没别的药,先拉上顶着而已,好歹比用于应对艾滋病的克利芝感觉离新冠近些

galezhang 发表于 4/29/2020 9:02:58 AM

人类研究药本来就不是指哪儿打哪儿

伟哥一开始好像是准备治心脏病啥的
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pig0019
划重点: 没有control group。 看得懂英文的好好读读

The main concern, they say, stems from the fact that the Gilead trial expected to read out this week, which was conducted among patients with severe disease, lacks a control group — that is, patients who are randomly assigned to receive the best treatment available, but not remdesivir. As designed, the only randomization is the duration of treatment: either five days or 10 days of drug. Without a true control group of patients, many experts say, it will be difficult to determine whether remdesivir is effective.

“The overall study itself has little or no scientific value since all patients are receiving the drug,” said Steven Nissen, the chief academic officer at the Cleveland Clinic and lead investigator of many trials for heart drugs that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

“The study, as designed, is essentially useless and cannot be used by the FDA for consideration of remdesivir for approval to treat coronavirus,” Nissen said.

Peter Bach, director of the Center for Health Policy and Outcomes at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, called the situation “frustrating.”

“For them to run the trial in severe but not include a control group, it’s just such a waste,” Bach said.
cannie 发表于 4/29/2020 9:34:27 AM


没有 Control group ,研究个屁啊。华尔街有人要拉垫背的。
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buswell

两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the
5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day
treatment group achieved clinical recovery.

用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?

个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:13 AM

抬头看ID系列
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pig0019
华尔街一直炒作这支股。现在没人接盘了。亏大了。
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sqlstudio

别装了,你是对美国所有东西不看好
stainlessbelief 发表于 4/29/2020 9:09:23 AM

一针见黑血
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lishu2

别装了,你是对美国所有东西不看好
stainlessbelief 发表于 4/29/2020 9:09:23 AM

无毛一只,早屏蔽了
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yanhren

无毛一只,早屏蔽了

lishu2 发表于 4/29/2020 9:51:46 AM

咋屏蔽呢?能教一下吗?谢谢!
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nitride
回复 26楼cannie的帖子 公布了两个trial的结果。Gilead自己的没有placebo。NIH的那个有placebo。
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relay
quick note from an analyst:
"This is earlier than expected
Most important study we are aware of. Has a placebo.
This is the trial run by the govt – NOT the GILD trial we were expecting results out today or tomorrow.
This was NOT just in severe patients. This is MODERATE and severe
It hit the primary endpoint which means it hit the efficacy end point which for dummies means it works. "
Caffeine 发表于 4/29/2020 8:48:37 AM


看着几个五毛发疯的样子,偷偷乐一下。 谢谢咖啡因,一大早带来这么好的消息。 顺便鄙视一下ccp对gilead各种使坏,太没人性。
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cfc006
“人民的希望” 這個名字太刺激中共了。 要是成功了,美帝國主義的藥成了中國人民的希望了,這它怎麼能接受呢?
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relay
回复 26楼cannie的帖子

公布了两个trial的结果。Gilead自己的没有placebo。NIH的那个有placebo。
nitride 发表于 4/29/2020 10:02:01 AM


这些五毛,要么看不懂英文,要么装瞎。非蠢即坏。 看他们跳,一边觉得他们真是可悲,一边又觉得好好笑。
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atomicmass
"The overall mortality rates in the five-day and 10-day groups were 8.0% (n=16/200) and 10.7% (n=21/197), respectively." 这个?
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nyc15
"The overall mortality rates in the five-day and 10-day groups were 8.0% (n=16/200) and 10.7% (n=21/197), respectively." 这个?
atomicmass 发表于 2020-04-29 10:12

线性外推的话就是说不用药的死亡率是5.4%
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relay
"The overall mortality rates in the five-day and 10-day groups were 8.0% (n=16/200) and 10.7% (n=21/197), respectively." 这个?
atomicmass 发表于 4/29/2020 10:12:51 AM


这是重症的。这个出了数据的trial是只收重症的。 用20%重症率来算, 那么人民的希望推广后死亡率是20%*8%=1.6%。 这还是假设轻症不用药的情况。 轻症目前看药效其实更好。那么如果轻症用药可以降低重症率,死亡率还会更低。弄不好降到1%以下都有可能。 嘻嘻。
抹茶红豆包
那天看何大一的采访,他也最看好人民的希望。感觉应该是类似tamiflu的作用。
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atomicmass


这是重症的。这个出了数据的是只收重症的。 用20%重症率来算, 那么 人民的希望推广后死亡率是20%*8%=1.6%。 这还是假设轻症不用药的情况。

relay 发表于 4/29/2020 10:17:16 AM


This is for those hospitalized (住院的, 不一定插管的). I still feel this fatality rate is kind of high for those hospitalized.
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anotherjbonds
现在的五毛太厉害了,都分不清哪些是专业人士,哪些是发帖拿钱的,有些时候还得搜一下这些个id到底都发了什么帖子


这些五毛,要么看不懂英文,要么装瞎。非蠢即坏。 看他们跳,一边觉得他们真是可悲,一边又觉得好好笑。

relay 发表于 4/29/2020 10:05:06 AM
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angelina68
本来就是应对伊波拉的药,指望它完全对症新冠从来就不现实。短期内没别的药,先拉上顶着而已,好歹比用于应对艾滋病的克利芝感觉离新冠近些

galezhang 发表于 4/29/2020 9:02:58 AM
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cfc006
希望五毛們能有些良心。 你們可以大反“人民的希望”這個名字, 停止破壞這救命的藥吧。
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relay


This is for those hospitalized (住院的, 不一定插管的). I still feel this fatality rate is kind of high for those hospitalized.

atomicmass 发表于 4/29/2020 10:22:17 AM


原话:"in hospitalized patients with severe manifestations of COVID-19 disease"

这个死亡率真心不高。一般重症死亡率在15%以上。 就以中国那个被人质疑粉饰太平的overall 3.5%的死亡率来算, 如果以重症率20%估计,那么重症死亡率是3.5%/20%=17.5%,是这个数据的一倍。
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noshock
两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the
5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day
treatment group achieved clinical recovery.

用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?

个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:13 AM


合理的质疑问值得鼓励。但是你从来没有详细说明你一贯怀疑的理由,对不对?
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nyc15
回复 48楼noshock的帖子
我是从Gilead半路上扩大实验规模和改变评价标准的时候开始怀疑的,内行都知道这意味着什么。。。在这以前我也错误地认为瑞德西韦是特效药。
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nyc15
回复 47楼relay的帖子
你要仔细看报告,进入试验的一个要求是开始给药的时候还没有上呼吸机!所以这根本不是最严重病人的数据,真正严重的病人还没来得及进医院就爆发性呼吸衰竭憋死在家里了。
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relay
回复 47楼relay的帖子
你要仔细看报告,进入试验的一个要求是开始给药的时候还没有上呼吸机!所以这根本不是最严重病人的数据,真正严重的病人还没来得及进医院就爆发性呼吸衰竭憋死在家里了。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 10:39:11 AM

上呼吸机的,80%的死亡率。。。。你要干啥?? 不把80%的死亡率降到1%以下,就算没用?
我说你看了药有用这么伤心,到底是有任务,还是short gilead股票亏钱了?
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noshock
回复 47楼relay的帖子
你要仔细看报告,进入试验的一个要求是开始给药的时候还没有上呼吸机!所以这根本不是最严重病人的数据,真正严重的病人还没来得及进医院就爆发性呼吸衰竭憋死在家里了。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 10:39:11 AM


这个逻辑很奇特,哪一种药是专治垂死的病人?如果有就是起死回生的仙丹。你的思维非常出格,也许细节上有点道理,却在整体上没有常识。
六月天


还有那个无底线维护WHO的盖子。今早看到他的一个采访,当记者问到疫情对美国经济和社会的灾难性影响,他都抑制不住得意的笑出声,起鸡皮疙瘩。

fufusix 发表于 4/29/2020 9:22:50 AM

是啊,我印象深刻的也是美国疫情刚开始爆发时,他上CNN,和AC以及Gupta 医生聊这次的新冠。其他两人都是表情严肃,只有他全程笑眯眯的。也许他的表情历来如此? 反正看着非常不舒服……
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minijing
划重点: 没有control group。 看得懂英文的好好读读

The main concern, they say, stems from the fact that the Gilead trial expected to read out this week, which was conducted among patients with severe disease, lacks a control group — that is, patients who are randomly assigned to receive the best treatment available, but not remdesivir. As designed, the only randomization is the duration of treatment: either five days or 10 days of drug. Without a true control group of patients, many experts say, it will be difficult to determine whether remdesivir is effective.

“The overall study itself has little or no scientific value since all patients are receiving the drug,” said Steven Nissen, the chief academic officer at the Cleveland Clinic and lead investigator of many trials for heart drugs that have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

“The study, as designed, is essentially useless and cannot be used by the FDA for consideration of remdesivir for approval to treat coronavirus,” Nissen said.

Peter Bach, director of the Center for Health Policy and Outcomes at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, called the situation “frustrating.”

“For them to run the trial in severe but not include a control group, it’s just such a waste,” Bach said.
cannie 发表于 4/29/2020 9:34:27 AM

NIN的是双盲的吧。这个randomized的实验感觉只是不想浪费数据,既然有患者在用药,那就统计统计,起码得出用药5天和10天治疗效果无差别的结果,也没打算用这个试验的结果去跟FDA申请吧
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relay

NIN的是双盲的吧。这个randomized的实验感觉只是不想浪费数据,既然有患者在用药,那就统计统计,起码得出用药5天和10天治疗效果无差别的结果,也没打算用这个试验的结果去跟FDA申请吧

minijing 发表于 4/29/2020 10:52:19 AM


我觉得出数据的那个没有对照组的trial,主要目的是为了找出最优的用药方法。NIH那个才是真的要用来批准药的。虽然NIH具体数据还没有公布,但基本有效的结论已经出来了。估计FDA批准也快了。
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pig0019
回复 48楼noshock的帖子
我是从Gilead半路上扩大实验规模和改变评价标准的时候开始怀疑的,内行都知道这意味着什么。。。在这以前我也错误地认为瑞德西韦是特效药。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 10:37:18 AM


跟华尔街联合了? 生物统计,如果不严谨,什么结论都能造出来的。
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appleapp
明天出财报,这个timing狠微妙啊
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Ruth
希望五毛們能有些良心。
你們可以大反“人民的希望”這個名字,
停止破壞這救命的藥吧。
cfc006 发表于 4/29/2020 10:30:46 AM


这名字又不是美国人起的。
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stainlessbelief


这名字又不是美国人起的。
Ruth 发表于 4/29/2020 11:02:05 AM

就因为是国内人取的,所以七毛更紧张啊,哪能让外国药成为人民的希望,人民的希望只能是习大大
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abccoffee
这帖子里的五毛都癫狂了,隔着屏幕都能感受到他们的心如刀割
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cfc006


这名字又不是美国人起的。
Ruth 发表于 4/29/2020 11:02:05 AM


“人民的希望” 是中國疫情最嚴重時,國人給起的名字。疫情過去了,不用了,又被五毛煽動的反對起來了?中國的疫情是否真過去了還不好說吧?
還是大家一起支持這藥,瑞德西韋搞成功了,世界的哪個國家都受惠。
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ray_golden
请问您对妥珠单抗对危重病人治疗持什么态度?对Remdesivir 结合regeneron 的混合单抗持什么态度?
回复12楼 stainlessbelief 的帖子 我对厉害国在试验的三个疫苗更不看好,谢谢。不知道为什么总有人给我扣五毛的帽子。 厉害国的实验疫苗两个是灭活病毒,对免疫系统的刺激不够,说不定引发ADE死的更快;另一个腺病毒载体用的病毒在人群中太常见,大多数人对那个载体病毒已经有抗体,疫苗一打进去就被人体自己的免疫系统灭了。 nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 9:15:00 AM
一年明月
实话说,我也觉得这个结果不算好。为什么没有用其他药的control group? 估计恢复率也能有一半。五天结果比十天好,似乎指向noise的作用更大。说不定零天的结果更漂亮呢。简而言之,无法推翻零假设。

我现在怀疑这药只对很少的一部分人有用,而我们不知道是哪一部分。
抹茶红豆包
实话说,我也觉得这个结果不算好。为什么没有用其他药的control group? 估计恢复率也能有一半。
一年明月 发表于 4/29/2020 11:12:32 AM

还在trial中。FDA还没批准。再等几周。我记得是五月中?
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ray_golden
很多人就是嘴硬,从最开始扩大临床规模就开始抬杠,简单的逻辑问题,gilead内部肯定了解大概的情况,开始就显现了对部分病症的有效性。有些人非要扣神药的帽子来责问,包括tg的表演,来看看他们继续,只会丧失自己的credit
建议加上今早Dr. Scott Gottlieb 在CNBC的采访,他说话一直非常谨慎。 As we've been saying for some time now, accumulating data on Remdesivir suggests it's active against covid and there's now enough data to support consideration of access under an emergency use authorization by FDA. The data from NIAID study should push this firmly over the line. Gilead’s remdesivir, along with therapeutic antibodies and improved testing, is part of “a robust toolbox,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb says. “All of this is going to put us in a much different posture for the fall.” https://cnb.cx/2SgbRfu https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1255484418745151495?s=20 fufusix 发表于 4/29/2020 9:19:00 AM
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Caffeine

还在trial中。FDA还没批准。再等几周。我记得是五月中?

抹茶红豆包 发表于 4/29/2020 11:14:23 AM


第一个新闻就是关于这个的。今天大家激动,就是因为这个提前有了efficacy reading.
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Cybercat
坐等双盲。如果今天下午托尼医生真宣布结果了我才相信。吉利得自己的实验单臂,样本还小,还preliminary, 真是没啥意思了,也不能用于批复药
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zhegufei
不得不说,公司挺恶心的。
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pig0019
继人造拐点后,现在人造结论。。。继续炒作。
青蓝冰水
一开始的时候觉得这药希望很大,现在看来,情况不妙。
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nexcare
五毛这么不信任gilead的药,自己别吃,吃了的话也会落到小概率无效或者副作用严重那组,小心哦
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flipping
实话说,我也觉得这个结果不算好。为什么没有用其他药的control group? 估计恢复率也能有一半。五天结果比十天好,似乎指向noise的作用更大。说不定零天的结果更漂亮呢。简而言之,无法推翻零假设。

我现在怀疑这药只对很少的一部分人有用,而我们不知道是哪一部分。

一年明月 发表于 4/29/2020 11:12:32 AM

5天和10天的病人不是随机分布的啊, 10天的病人本来就更重。 NIH随机双盲的详细结果说了NIH稍后会公布。
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candidcamera


没有对照组,研究个屁啊?!
这是有机构在炒作这只股票而已。

pig0019 发表于 4/29/2020 9:11:14 AM

重症trial招不到placebo对照组的,不 ethical, 让人家等死吗?,轻症trial有对照组。
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nexcare


这名字又不是美国人起的。
Ruth 发表于 4/29/2020 11:02:05 AM


“人民的希望” 是中國疫情最嚴重時,國人起的。疫情過去了,不用了,又被五毛煽動的反對起來了?中國的疫情是否真過去了還不好說吧?
還是大家一起努力好,瑞德西韋搞成功了,世界的哪個國家都受惠。

cfc006 发表于 2020-04-29 11:10

tg一直不都这样吗,过河拆桥,忘恩负义
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ray_golden
看看楼上那几个,说的太对了,没有任何逻辑和分析,只剩下哀嚎,这西药哪么有部分疗效,对他们都是晴天霹雳。信仰的力量太可怕了,TG的小红粉无法承认地球不是宇宙中心了。
这帖子里的五毛都癫狂了,隔着屏幕都能感受到他们的心如刀割 abccoffee 发表于 4/29/2020 11:08:00 AM
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oceanmist
不知道这个贴子为什么扯意识形态。简直心理变态了。这家公司盘前大涨,还是有利好消息的。
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bululu
五毛这么不信任gilead的药,自己别吃,吃了的话也会落到小概率无效或者副作用严重那组,小心哦
nexcare 发表于 4/29/2020 11:27:10 AM


新药上市前7年最好不要吃
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ggbreeze
看什么时候药能上市
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candidcamera


我觉得出数据的那个没有对照组的trial,主要目的是为了找出最优的用药方法。NIH那个才是真的要用来批准药的。虽然NIH具体数据还没有公布,但基本有效的结论已经出来了。估计FDA批准也快了。

relay 发表于 4/29/2020 10:55:13 AM

是这样的。这个药有效是无疑问的,虽然特效药算不上,但是目前备选里面表现最robust的。
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birdsofparadise
一定要有效啊,现在真的只能指望药了
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Ruth
Remdesivir的奇妙历程,从西雅图同情用药成功,到公司宣布公开配方允许仿制,国内有人起名人民的希望,到被中国抢注治新冠专利,到国内开始临床实验,到带仿药去意大利,到国内临床试验招不够病人叫停,到不分享临床试验数据,到who泄露部分结果,到唱衰。。。新冠疫情中奇妙的事情也不只这一件,但是作为一个药物,有这样的历程还是蛮玄幻的。
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mondialito
谢谢分享好消息。如果最终证实就是有效,之前急匆匆通过who发布自己没招够人的临床来trash人民的希望的厉害国,脸就更肿了
大青椒

两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the
5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-day
treatment group achieved clinical recovery.

用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?

个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。

nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:13 AM

早就不抱希望了,但是药厂投入巨大,需要拉盘把股票逃出来,弥补损失。小散慎入!
牡丹玫瑰
希望有效
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yoda01
回复 1楼Caffeine的帖子 FDA 批准应该很快了
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urthur
FAUCI: DATA SHOWS REMDESIVIR `CLEAR CUT' POSITIVE EFFECT
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tianshuhr
FAUCI: DATA SHOWS REMDESIVIR `CLEAR CUT' POSITIVE EFFECT
urthur 发表于 4/29/2020 12:01:33 PM

啥时候说的,今天吗?
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Caffeine

啥时候说的,今天吗?
tianshuhr 发表于 4/29/2020 12:03:39 PM


Just now. His statements are updated on 1fl.
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yoda01

别装了,你是对美国所有东西不看好
stainlessbelief 发表于 4/29/2020 9:09:23 AM


通过点踩的数量大概知道驻版大伍毛数,再加几个新注册的小无毛,大约10个左右驻版伍毛吧
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victoriabaobei
楼上唱衰的几个ID出来走两步🤣
FAUCI: DATA SHOWS REMDESIVIR `CLEAR CUT' POSITIVE EFFECT urthur 发表于 4/29/2020 12:01:00 PM
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fly11
Remdesivir的奇妙历程,从西雅图同情用药成功,到公司宣布公开配方允许仿制,国内有人起名人民的希望,到被中国抢注治新冠专利,到国内开始临床实验,到带仿药去意大利,到国内临床试验招不够病人叫停,到不分享临床试验数据,到who泄露部分结果,到唱衰。。。新冠疫情中奇妙的事情也不只这一件,但是作为一个药物,有这样的历程还是蛮玄幻的。
Ruth 发表于 4/29/2020 11:46:15 AM

Remdesivir 的奇幻之旅,可能只因被 naive 的群众起名为 “人民的希望”
牡丹玫瑰
这帖子里的五毛都癫狂了,隔着屏幕都能感受到他们的心如刀割
abccoffee 发表于 4/29/2020 11:08:03 AM

难道五毛良心都被狗吃了吗?药能救人不好吗?
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Nim

难道五毛良心都被狗吃了吗?药能救人不好吗?

牡丹玫瑰 发表于 4/29/2020 12:08:39 PM

毒就是他们放的,有解药的话他们这几个月不就白忙活了
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erniuth
外行是真的好忽悠。。。 5天和10天efficacy没有明显区别,往好了说是可以减半用量,但是反过来就是多用少用没有太大区别啊,离下结论还远着呢 国内那个发lancet又有哪里不对了?就是要发出来才能看明白到底是不是国内做的有问题啊,有什么经验教训的其他trial也好调整
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lovelyruo
觉得药没用别用就行了,千万忍住别仿冒!
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erniuth
请问您对妥珠单抗对危重病人治疗持什么态度?对Remdesivir 结合regeneron 的混合单抗持什么态度?

ray_golden 发表于 4/29/2020 11:11:10 AM

这两个单抗最近都有trial结果发表了啊,regeneron的结果不是很理想,托珠单抗的结果还不错
北美翠花
啪啪啪打你脸
两个巨大的red flag,第一是没有对照组,第二是这一句话:At Day 14, 64.5 percent (n=129/200) of patients in the5-day treatment group and 53.8 percent (n=106/197) of patients in the 10-daytreatment group achieved clinical recovery.用药10天的治愈率更低?!是否说明药的作用是反的?个人仍然持强烈怀疑态度,等NIH实验的结果,从这个实验结果看不出药有用。
nyc15 发表于 4/29/2020 8:58:13 AM


dukenyc125 发表于 4/29/2020 9:30:06 AM
statistical variability
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relay
FAUCI: DATA SHOWS REMDESIVIR `CLEAR CUT' POSITIVE EFFECT
urthur 发表于 4/29/2020 12:01:33 PM

啦啦啦啦啦啦啦啦啦。 哈哈哈哈。 看五毛如丧考妣,简直太开心了。