Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations – implying a "founder event" in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.
Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations – implying a "founder event" in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.
There are two subclusters of A which are distinguished by the synonymous mutation T29095C. In the T-allele subcluster, four Chinese individuals (from the southern coastal Chinese province of Guangdong) carry the ancestral genome, while three Japanese and two American patients differ from it by a number of mutations. These American patients are reported to have had a history of residence in the presumed source of the outbreak in Wuhan.
看原文,A型下面有两个subclusters,一个叫T,一个叫C。叫做T的这个subcluster,有4个中国人携带,而这4个中国人是上游(ancestral genome),另外这个叫T的subcluster还有3个日本人和2个美国人携带,而这3个日本人和2个美国人携带的是differ from it by a number of mutations,这里的it指的是前面说的那上游的4个中国人携带的病毒。而这两个美国人都是有武汉居住史的。这说明这俩美国人携带的A型病毒是从那4个中国人那里来的。
所有的病菌生物都是为了适应当地的环境来演变的。如果A型不适应武汉亚洲人身体环境,当初根本不会变成A型好不好。变成B型并在亚洲传开说明B型适合亚洲人。而A型适合美国澳大利亚说明是在那里的环境适应和演变的。世界上没有那么巧合的事情,一个不适应当地的病菌到外国人身上就如鱼得水,马上就适应了。这个是不可能的事情。 报道说的非常清楚了,澳大利亚和美国发现A型,在武汉的美国人发现A型。武汉人民是B型! A型在美国和澳大利亚被发现。大家看清楚了!武汉的美国人,和“大量”的A型病毒在美国和澳大利亚!如果是武汉先有的,不应该武汉有大量的A型病毒吗 ====== 与蝙蝠体内新冠病毒最接近的病毒类型是A型,即原始的人类病毒基因组A型。该病毒基因组在武汉出现,但不是武汉地区的主要病毒类型。在居住于武汉的美国人身上发现了突变的A型病毒,在来自美国和澳大利亚的患者中也发现了大量的A型病毒。 武汉患者的主要病毒类型是B型,B型也在东亚各地的患者中存在,然而,如果没有进一步的变异,它不会在该地区以外传播太多。 C型病毒是欧洲的主要类型,在来自法国、意大利、瑞典和英国的早期患者中均发现C型病毒。C型病毒没有出现在该研究中的中国大陆患者样本中,但在新加坡、中国香港和韩国都曾发现C型病毒。 研究结果认为,A型病毒与蝙蝠和穿山甲体内发现的病毒关系最密切,研究人员将其描述为疫情暴发的根源。B型病毒由A型衍生而来,被两个突变分开,然后C型反过来又是B型的“女儿”。 https://www.dwnews.com/全球/60175088/全球新冠肺炎确诊病例超168万英专家称病毒已突变为三种毒株 英文传媒: COVID-19 is believed to have originated in horseshoe bats and transferred to humans via an intermediary animal such as a pangolin. The epicentre is thought to be a Wuhan seafood market. Surprisingly however, researchers found the A variant was not Wuhan’s dominant virus type. Instead, mutated versions of A were found in Americans that lived in Wuhan and A-type viruses were also found in patients in Australia and the US. Type B is derived from A and separated by two mutations. This was the main type found in Wuhan city and across East Asia. However it has not been found much beyond East Asia, suggesting a “founder event” in Wuhan or some form of resistance to the strain outside of Asia. Instead, a third virus strain known as C – which is the “daughter” of B – has been found across Europe and is also present in Sydney, according to the virus tree. 剑桥大学研究原文,昨天发表! 剑桥研究,事实已经出来了。不容置疑,现在真相大白! 睿 发表于 4/10/2020 8:22:00 PM
@Fenng 造谣手法分析一例 昨天朋友转到群里一条信息,其中有这么一段: {{剑桥大学发表关于新冠病毒的几个变种和传播路径的研究报告。 报告指出,新冠病毒分三个变种:A、B、C。A类病毒更多发现于美国和澳洲的受感染者。A类在武汉只有极少案例,且来源于在武汉生活过的美国人。 A 类和从蝙蝠、穿山甲身上提取的病毒最为相似。研究人员称 A 类病毒为“爆发根源”( “the root of the outbreak” )}} 我说「且来源于在武汉生活过的美国人」这句肯定是加塞进去的谣言。这么说,完全是出于直觉。 为了验证,然后去找了一下论文,原文是这么说的: Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia. 原文只是说,美国人检出的 A 类型的患者曾生活在武汉。造谣的人巧妙的用了几个字儿(**且来源于**),就把整个消息意思恶意改变了。没错,这种就是恶意的。 造谣的人肯定看得懂英文(连我都能看懂)。但他们知道,很多人(包括我的朋友)不会去核实原文,还有更多的人,宁愿相信他们头脑中已经认定的结果。这些人也是更容易被谣言蛊惑。
原文是Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.
检测武汉回美国的人,发现是mutated version of A。 而美国人是A-type viruses。mutated versions of "A" 是指那些从A伸出来的节点 而A-type viruses是指“A“节点,也就是最原始的病毒。
原文说Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia. ~检测武汉回美国的人,发现是mutated version of A。 ~而美国人澳大利亚人是A-type viruses。 mutated versions of "A" 是指那些从A伸出来的变异节点, 而A-type viruses是指“A“节点,指最原始的病毒。
原文是Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.
~检测武汉回美国的人,发现是mutated version of A。 ~而美国人澳大利亚人是A-type viruses。 mutated versions of "A" 是指那些从A伸出来的节点, 而A-type viruses是指“A“节点,也就是最原始的病毒。
There are two subclusters of A which are distinguished by the synonymous mutation T29095C. In the T-allele subcluster, four Chinese individuals (from the southern coastal Chinese pro of Guangdong) carry the ancestral genome, while three Japanese and two American patients differ from it by a number of mutations. These American patients are reported to have had a history of residence in the presumed source of the outbreak in Wuhan. The C-allele subcluster sports relatively long mutational branches and includes five individuals from Wuhan, two of which are represented in the ancestral node, and eight other East Asians from China and adjacent countries. It is noteworthy that nearly half (15/33) of the types in this subcluster, however, are found outside East Asia, mainly in the United States and Australia
所有的病菌生物都是为了适应当地的环境来演变的。如果A型不适应武汉亚洲人身体环境,当初根本不会变成A型好不好。变成B型并在亚洲传开说明B型适合亚洲人。而A型适合美国澳大利亚说明是在那里的环境适应和演变的。世界上没有那么巧合的事情,一个不适应当地的病菌到外国人身上就如鱼得水,马上就适应了。这个是不可能的事情。 报道说的非常清楚了,澳大利亚和美国发现A型,在武汉的美国人发现A型。武汉人民是B型! A型在美国和澳大利亚被发现。大家看清楚了!武汉的美国人,和“大量”的A型病毒在美国和澳大利亚!如果是武汉先有的,不应该武汉有大量的A型病毒吗 ====== 与蝙蝠体内新冠病毒最接近的病毒类型是A型,即原始的人类病毒基因组A型。该病毒基因组在武汉出现,但不是武汉地区的主要病毒类型。在居住于武汉的美国人身上发现了突变的A型病毒,在来自美国和澳大利亚的患者中也发现了大量的A型病毒。 武汉患者的主要病毒类型是B型,B型也在东亚各地的患者中存在,然而,如果没有进一步的变异,它不会在该地区以外传播太多。 C型病毒是欧洲的主要类型,在来自法国、意大利、瑞典和英国的早期患者中均发现C型病毒。C型病毒没有出现在该研究中的中国大陆患者样本中,但在新加坡、中国香港和韩国都曾发现C型病毒。 研究结果认为,A型病毒与蝙蝠和穿山甲体内发现的病毒关系最密切,研究人员将其描述为疫情暴发的根源。B型病毒由A型衍生而来,被两个突变分开,然后C型反过来又是B型的“女儿”。 https://www.dwnews.com/全球/60175088/全球新冠肺炎确诊病例超168万英专家称病毒已突变为三种毒株 英文传媒: COVID-19 is believed to have originated in horseshoe bats and transferred to humans via an intermediary animal such as a pangolin. The epicentre is thought to be a Wuhan seafood market. Surprisingly however, researchers found the A variant was not Wuhan’s dominant virus type. Instead, mutated versions of A were found in Americans that lived in Wuhan and A-type viruses were also found in patients in Australia and the US. Type B is derived from A and separated by two mutations. This was the main type found in Wuhan city and across East Asia. However it has not been found much beyond East Asia, suggesting a “founder event” in Wuhan or some form of resistance to the strain outside of Asia. Instead, a third virus strain known as C – which is the “daughter” of B – has been found across Europe and is also present in Sydney, according to the virus tree. 剑桥大学研究原文,昨天发表! 剑桥研究,事实已经出来了。不容置疑,现在真相大白! 睿 发表于 4/10/2020 8:22:00 PM
Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.
A的突变版本的病毒是在居住在武汉的美国人中发现的,并且大量的A类型病毒在美国和 澳大利亚被发现。
Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations – implying a "founder event" in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.
The founder effect is a case of genetic drift caused by a small population with limited numbers of individuals breaking away from a parent population. The occurrence of retinitis pigmentosa in the British colony on the Tristan da Cunha islands is an example of the founder effect.
The ‘C’ variant is the major European type, found in early patients from France, Italy, Sweden and England. It is absent from the study’s Chinese mainland sample, but seen in Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.
“mutated versions of A were found in Americans that lived in Wuhan” What do you call this mutated A ? A-type? “Type B is derived from A and separated by two mutations.” Does “derived” mean type B mutated from type A too? So they call it type b? Duckpear 发表于 4/10/2020 8:44:25 PM
Surprisingly however, researchers found the A variant was not Wuhan’s dominant virus type. Instead, mutated versions of A were found in Americans that lived in Wuhan and A-type viruses were also found in patients in Australia and the US.
说的很清楚,澳大利亚和美国的是A。 武汉的美国人是A-mutated。 武汉人民是 B。是从A 到 A Mutated 到 B
Wuhan’s major virus type, ‘B’, was prevalent in patients from across East Asia. However, the variant didn’t travel much beyond the region without further mutations – implying a "founder event" in Wuhan, or “resistance” against this type of COVID-19 outside East Asia, say researchers.
看到文章没有,B型是为武汉和东亚量身定做的。是病毒适应当地的环境做的变异,而且这个变异在其他地区生存不了!A型不是,说明不是当地的,也传不了其他亚洲的地方。
你说为什么A型韩国或者其他地方没有传开,因为它没有突变,只有变成了B型或者适合当地的突变,才会传播下去。所以A型在武汉传给几个人后就慢慢消失了,因为不是它成长的地方。
A型成长的地方在哪里?看看哪里传播最广泛就知道答案了。
你这个说的对。A型是针对欧美人的。可是现在科技的水平到不了人为的可能性。只有一个方法,就是在欧美环境里自然演变的。
我是新人,能否烦劳普及一下这个睿大妈的暗黑史?
文章里说的非常清楚了,B型在亚洲以外没法存活!C型是在欧洲。美国只是A型!目前C型有没有传去美国,文章里没说。肯定的是,B型没法在亚洲外生存。
如果A是针对欧美人的,然后最早出现在武汉。那更能说明就是ccp研究的对付欧美的生化武器遭到了泄漏。。细思及恐,如果真的是这样的话,第三次世界大战估计真的要打起来了。
你不是说A不能在武汉生存吗,你别告诉我几例type A就能突变成B
A型传到一个亚洲人身上有没有突变成功都是概率问题,像中彩票一样,突变对了就活下来了,B型就是。没有突变或者突变错了就死了或者变弱了,最后最多传几个人还是死了。
牛逼,你也知道突变是中彩票一样,武汉真是倒霉呀,LOL
看原文,A型下面有两个subclusters,一个叫T,一个叫C。叫做T的这个subcluster,有4个中国人携带,而这4个中国人是上游(ancestral genome),另外这个叫T的subcluster还有3个日本人和2个美国人携带,而这3个日本人和2个美国人携带的是differ from it by a number of mutations,这里的it指的是前面说的那上游的4个中国人携带的病毒。而这两个美国人都是有武汉居住史的。这说明这俩美国人携带的A型病毒是从那4个中国人那里来的。
那请问美国成百上千的华裔都是被啥type感染的,既然美国都是type A, 对华人无效,那么我们是不是可以出去happy了。
我也是今天才发现真相,现在改称7毛才对!
哈哈哈,看看睿大妈怎么自圆其说
我知道我们立场不同,可是我还是很欣慰我们尽量用道理来讨论,虽然你可能觉得我没有道理,不过我们还是在理性讨论。如果闲话版大家都能这样就好了。大家都有说话的场地,说的对不对大家可以好好说。
A型会感染亚裔,可是到了亚裔身上适应没有那么强,也就是说传不了几个人就消失了。没有欧美人那么厉害。当然你有基础病的话还是要小心。
不对吧,西雅图相亲哥是A型吗?他可是实打实的武汉伢子哦。
看我刚写的,215楼
不是他逻辑有问题。是中共有问题。不上报病毒数据
研究确定的是说起源于A型或者更早。不过我的怀疑是这个事实:A型根本不适合亚洲人,非常适合欧美人。这个就奇怪了。起源于中国可是水土不服?对欧美人是如鱼得水?
“其他亚洲国家没有“?你睁眼看看病毒基因变异图,A的根部节点有4种颜色,除了中国还有东亚、欧洲和澳大利亚,难道在你的地图上中国和东亚都不属亚洲? 你说的老外传给中国是指美国吗?你再睁大眼睛看看这个病毒演变图,美国深蓝色是从以中国黄色占大部分的A根部节点变异来的。先有A才有A的变异,请把先后次序搞清楚。 病毒传播的难易和变异的先后顺序没有必然关系。有的病毒可能开始很难传播,变异后传播得特别快。或者开始传播性特别强,变异后又不易传播了。
所以你的逻辑是以后科学家找一个病毒的起源地应该按各地感染人数来判断?
楼主不在乎吃凉下来的X
有句话说得好,你看上我哪儿了我改不行吗?
https://news.sina.cn/gn/2020-04-11/detail-iirczymi5615400.d.html?from=wap
按这个思路这是为欧美人设计的病毒啊,细思极恐。。。。。。。。
我想了半天才明白你为什么会反复强调A型的传染力,因为你根本就不知道西雅图相亲哥的来历,
你不知道他是去武汉回美国以后发的病,
用瑞德西韦治好的。几个星期后西雅图养老院爆了,华盛顿州测了不少序,序列上都是相亲哥的亲戚。
所以楼里的都知道病毒从哪里来。
你不知道?为啥呢?
因为那段时间网评员放假,
大家都说版面清净了好多。
你看你工作没做好吧,
这么辛苦维护的老ID,
花了多少时间精力的,
唉,今天算是毁了!
加油造谣!在国内high没用,在这里散播谣言也没用。有本事说服全世界人民是美国投毒的。
我们拭目以待,看最后被群殴的是谁,造谣越多显得心越虚。
这几个人是在武汉传染的还是本地传染的。
原文说Mutated versions of ‘A’ were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.
~检测武汉回美国的人,发现是mutated version of A。
~而美国人澳大利亚人是A-type viruses。
mutated versions of "A" 是指那些从A伸出来的变异节点,
而A-type viruses是指“A“节点,指最原始的病毒。
那不是原文!!! 这是原文:
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
原文是这么说的:
There are two subclusters of A which are distinguished by the synonymous mutation T29095C. In the T-allele subcluster, four Chinese individuals (from the southern coastal Chinese pro of Guangdong) carry the ancestral genome, while three Japanese and two American patients differ from it by a number of mutations. These American patients are reported to have had a history of residence in the presumed source of the outbreak in Wuhan. The C-allele subcluster sports relatively long mutational branches and includes five individuals from Wuhan, two of which are represented in the ancestral node, and eight other East Asians from China and adjacent countries. It is noteworthy that nearly half (15/33) of the types in this subcluster, however, are found outside East Asia, mainly in the United States and Australia
世界上其他所有国家的病毒都是中国传出去的,否则大家为啥找中国政府赔偿呢?
看看大家澳大利亚上至议员,下至民众,讨厌的是谁?是找谁要赔偿?这事应该还没完,五毛接着继续自high吧。
法廣新闻说,经过调查发现,法国0号病人和中国有神秘关系
美国零号病人也是武汉相亲哥。都是跟国内有关系的。
有啥神秘关系。全世界查新冠一开始都必须是去过武汉的,不然不给查,因为中国最早给出基因排序。再早世界都不知道如何检测新冠。
所以查出来第一例必然和武汉有关系,更早的案例,没去过武汉的案例,一律作为流感处理了。现在报道许多人得流感却是流感阴性,还有人发现体内已有神秘抗体。
为什么不是武汉是B型,传染给武汉的美国人变成A型,所以美国大部分是A,武汉再传给欧洲,又变成C?
Re害得我把原文又看了一下。咱们不要再去理楼主那个吃x大妈还有这个fitzroy 了。他们刚刚涨工资了……
原文在这里:
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
怎么不给查?美国又不是厉害国,民众可以做任何自己想做的事。你说的有抗体的那个例子,也是今年1月份生过病,那不是很正常吗?武汉去年10月份就爆发了。文章里推测7-8月份就开始有病毒了。前段时间有个国内学者的文章发表被撤销了,就是写了去年7月份,就有肺炎病症在武汉看病的事情了,你都视而不见。
我们只看其他国家怎么做,疫情之后看他们跟谁切割找谁要赔偿。各国情报部门都不是吃素的。就算中共想尽办法隐瞒真相,销毁证据。科学都会让真相水落石出。等着看吧。
当年加州华盛顿如火如荼,纽约很长时间0病例,岁月静好。只要不测,一个城市就是多了1000个流感,多了30几个流感死亡老人。谁都不知道水面下暗潮汹涌。
造谣前你先去 GISAID数数,中国到底上传了多少sample。
什么叫大批医护倒下,倒下是指生病还是死亡,你连话都说不清。
用加拿大BC作例子,1000人感染时,24名医生护士感染,没有人死亡。
如果这24人计入流感,会有人发现吗。
你这里逻辑有问题啊,
“没去过武汉的案例,一律作为流感处理了”
同理,武汉起初也是按照没去过华南海鲜市场的,一律不作为新冠肺炎处理。后来马上就瞒不住了。
这美国要是A型不感染中国人专门感染美国人,那怎么自己不迅速做大做强,顺便输出到好兄弟大家拿,老哥大英帝国,小弟墨西哥呢。
可是别人没有骂你父母呀。
我看到这里就不想看下去了,因为这个根本就是一个毫无逻辑强行洗白的帖子,纯粹浪费我时间。
ps. 我这几年有个国内来美国上市的客户,然后他们公司在中国当地外聘了一个会计从业人员做顾问。她本人对美国gaap完全不懂但是每次开会都是大放厥词,严重浪费了大家时间,我觉得和楼主有得一拼。
我只是说发帖不要撒泼,你不怕丢你自己的脸,也想想你父母的脸面。
这么好的帖子,怎么沉了呢?让更多的人看到,不好吗?
大家看清楚了,是哪些id在故意散播虚假消息,歪曲剑桥研究的结果,把黑水泼给美国。是哪些id在这两个帖子里蹦跶得最欢,这几个id一直不遗余力黑美国、散播虚假消息,其中包括多次被曝光的网评员。请大家记好这些id,不要一次次被骗。
这些id一旦被指出是带着任务发帖子,就会疯狂撕咬辱骂华人网友。
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纯觉得硕士工作20几年不是应该奔50去了怎么才40。。。难道是少年班出来的?
无脑反中反美的都是白痴
胡说,原文从来没有什么最早最开始的说法,只有ancestral,作为ancestral的A有两支,一直是中国的,另一支包括东亚中国美国澳洲,两支没有互为变异的关系,而且氨基酸序列没有改变只是改变了碱基。楼主是胡扯,你是楼主反方向也是胡扯。
怎么没有12月初的武汉样本?那个才是源头
大妈你肯定不懂ancestral这个词!