越来越多中年人死亡

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fadeintoyou
楼主 (北美华人网)
cnn上越来越多中年人死亡而且很快
一开始症状很轻
突然恶化几天人就没有了
之前采访的ER的医生说百分之40的都是25-50之间的病人
没有任何underlying health condition
越来越觉得美国现在的情况就是人祸
政府两个月都在误导宣传
大号流感,口罩没用,百分之80人可以自愈,
只对老年人和有基础并的人有危险
年轻人健康人可以自愈
这样宣传能重视起来么
没有对病毒的敬畏心
不知道可以不说
这样误导宣传
对大部分美国人来说他们只会一种语言习惯了坐井观天的生活
根本不会做自己的判断
就是草菅人命啊
妥妥的政府知道的人祸
太生气了!

 

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noshock
129 楼
别人怎么能找到你胡说八道的东西?

789 发表于 4/5/2020 1:42:49 PM


要别人去找不成在的资料,那是发明。
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789
128 楼


你自己去看啊
不看英文新闻么
每天很多啊
动不动就让人贴
贴的过来么

fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:10:40 PM


别人怎么能找到你胡说八道的东西?
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noshock
127 楼
我们county确实是65岁以上死得最多,一共死了28个,65岁以上22个,45到64 是6个, 45以下一个都没死,45岁以下确诊其实占了40%, 我觉得病毒对老人杀伤力很大

star1991 发表于 4/4/2020 5:23:58 PM

你们county 很有代表性,bellwether! 大选也如此?
今生无悔
126 楼
楼主的标题没有错,随着感染人数的增多,肯定越来越多的中年人因此死亡。但也毫无意义,只有统计数据才有意义。

 

🛋️ 沙发板凳

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kanger00
25-50这个range就是个笑话 40-50之间很多已经有基础病了好不好。
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utk
生于忧患,死于安乐。我同意之前一个帖子的观点,美国注定有次一劫,不巧让咱们见证了......
今生无悔
楼主不要骇人听闻,消息来源请贴一下。
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fadeintoyou
楼主不要骇人听闻,消息来源请贴一下。
今生无悔 发表于 4/4/2020 4:08:24 PM


你自己去看啊
不看英文新闻么
每天很多啊
动不动就让人贴
贴的过来么
小喵呜
昨天在CNN上看的故事好伤心。一对佛罗里达夫妇结婚51年,身体都不错。丈夫有症状去医院测被赶回去两次,后来被医院叫回去了,情况慢慢恶化,上氧气,妻子一直没事,后来觉得应该去医院测一下,没想到到医院45分钟后就直接上呼吸机了。最后医生说没救了。就拔了呼吸机送临终关怀医院,不久两人先后去世,就差六分钟。
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fadeintoyou
25-50这个range就是个笑话 40-50之间很多已经有基础病了好不好。
kanger00 发表于 4/4/2020 4:06:14 PM


30-40这个区间死的也很多
就只是看到的
有两个学校老师一个35 一个42
一个39的护工
一个40多的医生
都是没有基础病
几天人就没有了
非常快
那个新泽西的 coach
睡觉第二天就没醒来了
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fadeintoyou
昨天在CNN上看的故事好伤心。一对佛罗里达夫妇结婚51年,身体都不错。丈夫有症状去医院测被赶回去两次,后来被医院叫回去了,情况慢慢恶化,上氧气,妻子一直没事,后来觉得应该去医院测一下,没想到到医院45分钟后就直接上呼吸机了。最后医生说没救了。就拔了呼吸机送临终关怀医院,不久两人先后去世,就差六分钟。
小喵呜 发表于 4/4/2020 4:13:04 PM


这个我也看到了
丈夫先去的医院
妻子一开始没去也没查
后来孩子们才带妈妈去的也是positive
前后6分钟死的
各种人间悲剧
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utk
昨天还有个32岁mm的帖子吧
30-40这个区间死的也很多 就只是看到的 有两个学校老师一个35 一个42 一个39的护工 一个40多的医生 都是没有基础病 几天人就没有了 非常快 那个新泽西的 coach 睡觉第二天就没醒来了 fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:13:00 PM
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young9929
25-50占40%很奇怪吗?毕竟早就警告老年人不要出门了,肯定其他年龄段比例就会上升。而且你选的这个range不要太宽。你咋不说95%都是15-80岁这个range呢?
今生无悔


30-40这个区间死的也很多
就只是看到的
有两个学校老师一个35 一个42
一个39的护工
一个40多的医生
都是没有基础病
几天人就没有了
非常快
那个新泽西的 coach
睡觉第二天就没醒来了

fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:13:10 PM

要有统计方面的数据才能说明问题。年轻人死亡的故事正因为相对不多所以引起大家关注。
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qbly
基础疾病包括肥胖的,好吧,可惜很多美国人自以为不是.... 之前看一个美国专家采访,他就说肥胖对肺炎是个大问题,美国肥胖率很高。大胖子不得肺炎都经常上气不接下气的。上海20多岁的超重都挂的。
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cindy2012
死的原因都是因为肺部功能迅速衰竭吗
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anniekevin
那是因为诊断的数据越来越多,但是死亡率年轻人还是远远低于老年人的
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blackplains

越来越觉得美国现在的情况就是人祸
政府两个月都在误导宣传
大号流感,口罩没用,百分之80人可以自愈,
只对老年人和有基础并的人有危险
年轻人健康人可以自愈

fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:03:49 PM


他们说中国数据造假, 但自己却宣传着错误的讯息.
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qbly
美国政府现在应该呼吁胖子减肥。
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white09
看看当地的数据 我们这最多是50-60的,其次是30-40 女性阳性多于男性 但男性死亡率高于女性
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artdong
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tiaodashen
25-40的中年人,我读书少。。。
cnn上越来越多中年人死亡而且很快 一开始症状很轻 突然恶化几天人就没有了 之前采访的ER的医生说百分之40的都是25-50之间的病人 没有任何underlying health condition 越来越觉得美国现在的情况就是人祸 政府两个月都在误导宣传 大号流感,口罩没用,百分之80人可以自愈, 只对老年人和有基础并的人有危险 年轻人健康人可以自愈 这样宣传能重视起来么 没有对病毒的敬畏心 不知道可以不说 这样误导宣传 对大部分美国人来说他们只会一种语言习惯了坐井观天的生活 根本不会做自己的判断 就是草菅人命啊 妥妥的政府知道的人祸 太生气了! fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:03:00 PM
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lilacxxt
看看当地的数据

我们这最多是50-60的,其次是30-40

女性阳性多于男性

但男性死亡率高于女性
white09 发表于 4/4/2020 4:19:03 PM

这个和中国统计数据吻合,得病比例差不多,但男性死亡率差不多是女性的2倍。
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bigbigfacecat
就美国这个超重率,就算和别国一样治疗手段,死亡率也会更高。 别以为超重,体脂率高没什么,随便拉一个出来测,绝对都有胰岛素抵抗,也就是糖尿病前期。 再多嘴一句,很多体重不超标但是肚子肥肉多的小姑娘,多囊卵巢,脱发,体毛多,月经不来,核心也是因为胰岛素抵抗。
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huaren_ID
美国肥胖症太多了。。。所以只说年龄有些误导。。。
股动
贴一个今天看到的,真心挺难过的。不知道现在纽约救护车拉到医院的病人存活率是多少。 The widow of “I Love Rock ‘N’ Roll” writer Alan Merrill has written a harrowing account of his final hours before his death from coronavirus. Merrill, who co-wrote and sang the original version of the hit song, died Sunday at age 69 at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, which is so overrun with COVID-19 patients that they are being transferred to a field hospital of tents in Central Park. Merrill’s wife, Joanna Lisanti, took to Facebook to share the devastating details of the events leading up to his death, revealing how doctors are struggling with the lack of resources under the pressure of the growing pandemic. Lisanti said Merrill began to feel ill two weeks ago, but, “Alan being Alan, he told me I was getting hysterical for no reason,” Lisanti wrote, noting that hospitals would only test and admit people with severe symptoms. “There was nothing I could do for Alan except watch him get worse. When he finally couldn’t breathe, was so cold he needed piles of blankets on top of him, and couldn’t sleep, I called an ambulance.” She was not allowed to accompany him to the ER, where he waited 10 hours for a test, which was positive for COVID-19, and she was told they were moving him to the ICU. Then, “A doctor called me and told me they were actually NOT moving him since his body was shutting down because his lungs were too destroyed to work. I asked if he had to die alone, and the doctor said I could come say goodbye. “When I got to the hospital I had to argue with 3 different security guards to let me go to the ER. I stood my ground and they went back to fetch a nurse who let me in. This was around 11 p.m. “The doctor who called me came to meet me and apologized and said that his numbers were now better and he was going to be transferred to the ICU where he could get the care he needed. He was on a respirator and was sedated, so he was not in pain, or at least aware of the pain. “My husband should have been moved to the place where the experts who were there on the front lines could help him. Every 15 minutes I would ask when he was going to be transferred and they would say in the next few minutes, but that never happened. At around 2:30 am, they were finally ready to transfer him upstairs, and I left, exhausted, not willing to battle another group of security guards in ICU. SEE ALSO 'I Love Rock and Roll' co-writer dies of coronavirus “I walked three blocks towards home and the doctor called me to say he was gone, his heart and lungs just stopped beating from all the pressure they were under.” Lisanti continued, “He was only allowed in the hospital until he was most certainly dying, and then he languished in ER for 14 hours while they tested him for corona, which he obviously had, and struggled to find someone to take him upstairs to ICU. “Maybe if he was there, he would have had a fighting chance at least for those 15 hours, but of course we will never know. And now I have to grieve alone in quarantine.” She added, “Please know that I write this not for sympathy, but to let you know the reality of this disease and our country’s lack of preparation for it.“ Merrill’s daughter Laura confirmed her stepmother’s account and told The Post about his final hours, “We asked if we could come and say goodbye so he didn’t have to die alone, they refused, but my stepmom was persistent and they finally allowed us to you see him for two minutes in the ER. “It was really hard to get into the hospital, the security guards stopped me, I was hysterical and crying, and finally they let me in. “I was in protective gear, and I gave him my love. He was very peaceful and sedated on a ventilator, which was shocking to see. He had been texting me that morning. I was hugging and kissing him, I didn’t care if I was exposed. “When I left the hospital It was a very long and lonely walk home, there was nobody in the streets. By the time I got home he was gone. “They tried to move him to the ICU and in that move he died, his lungs were just too destroyed.” Laura, a photographer, added, “The hardest part is that we can’t be together to mourn this as a family, we can’t have a funeral. I have to self-quarantine, my step-mother has to self-quarantine, we have to grieve alone. “This happened so quickly, our heads are still spinning. His last gig was on March 13, he was downtown on stage doing his thing. He was still doing his thing, he was 69 acting like he’s 40 years old. I just shot his album cover, because he had a new album coming out. “It is really shocking how this virus is taking people. Yet I still see people taking it lightly, joking about it on social media, people are getting antsy stuck in their homes, and are going outside. This isn’t a joke, you have to stay inside. “I am staying inside self quarantining, and it is lonely. This virus is brutal, not only are people dying but families are being destroyed because they can’t grieve properly, they can’t grieve together.”
股动
就美国这个超重率,就算和别国一样治疗手段,死亡率也会更高。
别以为超重,体脂率高没什么,随便拉一个出来测,绝对都有胰岛素抵抗,也就是糖尿病前期。
再多嘴一句,很多体重不超标但是肚子肥肉多的小姑娘,多囊卵巢,脱发,体毛多,月经不来,核心也是因为胰岛素抵抗。
bigbigfacecat 发表于 4/4/2020 4:22:04 PM

这个有什么具体指标吗?比如血糖多少什么的?
南开阿飞
楼主是大外宣来带节奏的。。。。
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ilovebluedkk

这个有什么具体指标吗?比如血糖多少什么的?
股动 发表于 4/4/2020 4:27:08 PM

就是胰岛素拼命分泌但是血糖下不来,但又还没到糖尿病的程度
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bigbigfacecat

这个有什么具体指标吗?比如血糖多少什么的?
股动 发表于 4/4/2020 4:27:08 PM

这个测血糖没用,因为胰岛素代偿大量分泌,血糖看上去是正常的,得测血液里胰岛素水平。具体怎么测,正常值指标我也不太清楚哈,可以咨询一下专业医生。
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ilovebluedkk
美国胖子的确多,但主要在南部州吧,纽约好很多
起舞弄清影
CDC发布的数据跟LZ说的不一样。 This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years. link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm Lz说的,我在cnn上找了一大圈儿,并没有看见。。。
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fadeintoyou
楼主是大外宣来带节奏的。。。。
南开阿飞 发表于 4/4/2020 4:27:17 PM


Do you live under the stone or what?
Do you not watch the news?
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fadeintoyou


他们说中国数据造假, 但自己却宣传着错误的讯息.

blackplains 发表于 4/4/2020 4:17:05 PM


can't agree more
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Cybercat
中年人当然有死的,武汉的时候就知道,但是比率小多了。看新闻上的个例能看出死亡率?
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flyinthewind2012


他们说中国数据造假, 但自己却宣传着错误的讯息.

blackplains 发表于 4/4/2020 4:17:05 PM

中国数据本来就是假的。你敢说武汉只死了两千多人吗?美国的信息都是公开透明的。你愿意信哪个数据你就去信哪个。
目前死了快一万人了。请问有多少是年轻健康的?
光说年龄根本就没用。上次纽约一线的护士mm也说了,她医院就没有年轻健康的人得重症。有个38岁的,就是200多斤的大胖子。
当然我不否定就没有运气特别不好的人。或许年轻健康也有病死的。
但你要知道,人的身体真的没有那么脆弱。
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fadeintoyou
回复 1楼fadeintoyou的帖子

Link?
artdong 发表于 4/4/2020 4:19:17 PM


www.cnn.com
起舞弄清影
lz英语也不行。。。😂😂 大家没什么必要回帖了,看起来像拿工资发贴的。。。
Do you live under the stone or what? Do you not watch the news? fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:31:00 PM
股动

这个测血糖没用,因为胰岛素代偿大量分泌,血糖看上去是正常的,得测血液里胰岛素水平。具体怎么测,正常值指标我也不太清楚哈,可以咨询一下专业医生。

bigbigfacecat 发表于 4/4/2020 4:29:56 PM

谢谢。现在肯定是不敢去医院了。
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flyinthewind2012
中年人当然有死的,武汉的时候就知道,但是比率小多了。看新闻上的个例能看出死亡率?


Cybercat 发表于 4/4/2020 4:32:19 PM

这个表格可以看出来,44岁以下,没有基础病的人,死亡率极低。小心防护是没错的。但是真的没必要危言耸听。
股动

就是胰岛素拼命分泌但是血糖下不来,但又还没到糖尿病的程度

ilovebluedkk 发表于 4/4/2020 4:29:39 PM

层主知道化验的名字吗?多谢。
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fadeintoyou
CDC发布的数据跟LZ说的不一样。

This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.

link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

Lz说的,我在cnn上找了一大圈儿,并没有看见。。。
起舞弄清影 发表于 4/4/2020 4:31:24 PM


Some people are hopeless

Healthy 30-year-old teacher dies suddenly from coronavirushttps://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/02/30-year-old-teacher-dies-coronavirus-luderer-camerota-newday-vpx.cnn

Story of late ER doctor has Chris Cuomo fighting tears
A New York woman played her husband their wedding song on FaceTime as he passed away from coronavirus
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/us/wife-facetime-husband-coronavirus-death/index.html
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/03/bus-driver-coughed-on-video-dies-detroit-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/
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dukenyc125
回复 1楼fadeintoyou的帖子 川普和狐狸台联合极力淡化疫情,草菅人命
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fadeintoyou
lz英语也不行。。。😂😂 大家没什么必要回帖了,看起来像拿工资发贴的。。。

起舞弄清影 发表于 4/4/2020 4:33:44 PM

speak for yourself
can't even find links on cnn
落地无声
我觉得这次我周围的老年人比较注意隔离,不出门。都说孩子买东西送上门,or 网购送菜。
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回复 38楼股动的帖子 Check A1C, fasting insulin and fasting glucose.
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jc255
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-04-20/index.html New Jersey Department of Health Commissioner Judith M. Persichilli provided a breakdown of the 846 reported coronavirus-related deaths in the state today during a press conference. Here is the demographic breakdown: 61% were male 39% were female Six patients (1%) were under the age of 30 47 patients (6%) were between 30 – 49 136 (16%) were between ages of 50- 64 268 (32%) were between ages of 65- 79 389 (46%) were over age of 80 9% of deaths associated with long term care 300 people had underlying health conditions (which is 35%) New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy shared the following tweet: We have now lost nearly 100 more of our fellow New Jerseyans to #COVID19 than we did in the September 11th attacks. Let that sink in for just a moment. This pandemic is writing one of the greatest tragedies in our state’s history. — Governor Phil Murphy (@GovMurphy) April 4, 2020
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gexeke
回复 1楼fadeintoyou的帖子 没有统计数据算出概率没啥意思,年轻人死亡率低是事实,基数大了总数必然可观。 关键是年轻无基础病人的死亡率有没有比之前预想的0.2%高很多
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coconutam
楼主不要骇人听闻,消息来源请贴一下。
今生无悔 发表于 4/4/2020 4:08:24 PM
小毛衣
数据说话,麻州公布死亡者的年龄和condition,216例死亡,其中50以下的2个,都是三十多岁,一个有基础病。其他基本都是60+的,50多岁的就有几个
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fadeintoyou
Chicago ER doctor explains why coronavirus pandemic "scares" him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jft5E7em858
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qbly
CDC发布的数据跟LZ说的不一样。

This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.

link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

Lz说的,我在cnn上找了一大圈儿,并没有看见。。。
起舞弄清影 发表于 4/4/2020 4:31:24 PM

你的数据跟楼主的完全不矛盾。ER里的年轻人最终死的不多。老年人死的多,死得快。 美国之前宣传老年人危险,我觉得老年人群体还是做了很好的自我防护的。年轻人感染的比例比老年人高太多。
展颜一笑
今年的目标: 活着
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JPw01
并发症,不是华人就是微博分享过当初在武汉一线支援医生的音频。她在救治过程中不幸中标入院治疗,前期中轻度有好转,甚至身体感觉无太大异样,紧接着第二天突然急速恶化,记得她说因为本就是医生,又是自己的身体,通过出现的症状 很快 分析出是某个器官的问题(没记住),然后告知同事如何治疗,从死亡边缘走了过来(但也不得不用了大量的激素)。音频结尾就是事后同事跟她说如果没有她的提醒,一个一个排查的话基本上救不过来了。 这次病毒是真说不清,有的人感冒,有的人要命。。。
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201120152019
就美国这个超重率,就算和别国一样治疗手段,死亡率也会更高。 别以为超重,体脂率高没什么,随便拉一个出来测,绝对都有胰岛素抵抗,也就是糖尿病前期。 再多嘴一句,很多体重不超标但是肚子肥肉多的小姑娘,多囊卵巢,脱发,体毛多,月经不来,核心也是因为胰岛素抵抗。

很瘦体脂比也很低的人应该没有这个问题吧?
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Sty7e


他们说中国数据造假, 但自己却宣传着错误的讯息.

blackplains 发表于 4/4/2020 4:17:05 PM

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美国忙着找中国数据的纰漏,但中国数据是在轻症也给医疗支持和药物的情况下统计的,跟这边轻症不收治不给药当然不能相提并论了

可见记者都是文科生,不懂得想对照组实验一样,得条件基本相同的情况下,数据比对才有意义
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noshock


他们说中国数据造假, 但自己却宣传着错误的讯息.

blackplains 发表于 4/4/2020 4:17:05 PM

除去川普瞎说八道,哪个专业人士说过不着边际的话? 至于统计数据的demography 差不多就是如此,没有人瞎说。
彩虹上飞鱼
我们local医生还说95%都症状轻微自己好了。。。
并发症,不是华人就是微博分享过当初在武汉一线支援医生的音频。她在救治过程中不幸中标入院治疗,前期中轻度有好转,甚至身体感觉无太大异样,紧接着第二天突然急速恶化,记得她说因为本就是医生,又是自己的身体,通过出现的症状 很快 分析出是某个器官的问题(没记住),然后告知同事如何治疗,从死亡边缘走了过来(但也不得不用了大量的激素)。音频结尾就是事后同事跟她说如果没有她的提醒,一个一个排查的话基本上救不过来了。 这次病毒是真说不清,有的人感冒,有的人要命。。。
JPw01 发表于 4/4/2020 5:04:47 PM


我也记得这个帖子 是攻击心脏
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noshock
我们local医生还说95%都症状轻微自己好了。。。
彩虹上飞鱼 发表于 4/4/2020 5:17:15 PM

你们local 情况就可能如此,统计也有涨落。上周一位网友就在ER做事,她说那里ICU的病人没有平时健康的人,这都是有可能的。现在看来这个狡猾的病毒也许是有不同的分支,就看每人的运气了。
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star1991
我们county确实是65岁以上死得最多,一共死了28个,65岁以上22个,45到64 是6个, 45以下一个都没死,45岁以下确诊其实占了40%, 我觉得病毒对老人杀伤力很大
不灌白不灌
回复 56楼萏的帖子 我记得好像是心包炎。 心包炎(英语:Pericarditis)是心包(心脏周围的纤维囊)炎症的症状[1],症状多半是突然出现的急性胸痛[2],疼痛的部位也会出现在肩膀、颈部或是背部[2],若坐姿较直,疼痛会比较和缓,若躺下或是深呼吸,其疼痛会加剧[2]。其他症状包括有发烧、虚弱、心悸及呼吸困难[2],偶尔也有渐进式发作的症状[1]。
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patx2449

除去川普瞎说八道,哪个专业人士说过不着边际的话? 至于统计数据的demography 差不多就是如此,没有人瞎说。

noshock 发表于 4/4/2020 5:17:07 PM


其实CDC都是引用中国科学家发表的数据,说中国数据造假的全是政客,正儿八经的研究机构,早把中国发表的各种数据研究了好几遍了,一套数据造假容易,这么多论文怎么可能全部造假。

中国数据推出来的各种结论,美国搞了两个月几乎全部重新验证了一遍,还好意思怪中国的数据有问题?他们自己有什么和中国科学家不一样的新发现?
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cuzemel
CDC发布的数据跟LZ说的不一样。

This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.

link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

Lz说的,我在cnn上找了一大圈儿,并没有看见。。。
起舞弄清影 发表于 4/4/2020 4:31:24 PM


“no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.” 这句话跟4/3的数据就冲突了。
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
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abccoffee
最初把流感和新冠联系起来的是中国,海内外铺天盖地宣传美国流感比新冠肺炎厉害,还买通who企图淡化疫情严重性
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cuzemel
333333333333333333333333333看错了
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lastunas
回复 1楼fadeintoyou的帖子 很多老年人待在家里不能出门的倒是没事
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lastunas
回复 12楼qbly的帖子 美国社会还不许歧视大胖子
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HOTCOOL
只要得病的人够多,哪怕概率再低都会死掉很多年轻人
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lastunas
回复 36楼股动的帖子 An A1C level between 5.7% and 6.4% is considered prediabetes
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javaprogrammer
贴一个今天看到的,真心挺难过的。不知道现在纽约救护车拉到医院的病人存活率是多少。

The widow of “I Love Rock ‘N’ Roll” writer Alan Merrill has written a harrowing account of his final hours before his death from coronavirus.

Merrill, who co-wrote and sang the original version of the hit song, died Sunday at age 69 at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York, which is so overrun with COVID-19 patients that they are being transferred to a field hospital of tents in Central Park.

Merrill’s wife, Joanna Lisanti, took to Facebook to share the devastating details of the events leading up to his death, revealing how doctors are struggling with the lack of resources under the pressure of the growing pandemic.

Lisanti said Merrill began to feel ill two weeks ago, but, “Alan being Alan, he told me I was getting hysterical for no reason,” Lisanti wrote, noting that hospitals would only test and admit people with severe symptoms.

“There was nothing I could do for Alan except watch him get worse. When he finally couldn’t breathe, was so cold he needed piles of blankets on top of him, and couldn’t sleep, I called an ambulance.”

She was not allowed to accompany him to the ER, where he waited 10 hours for a test, which was positive for COVID-19, and she was told they were moving him to the ICU. Then, “A doctor called me and told me they were actually NOT moving him since his body was shutting down because his lungs were too destroyed to work. I asked if he had to die alone, and the doctor said I could come say goodbye.

“When I got to the hospital I had to argue with 3 different security guards to let me go to the ER. I stood my ground and they went back to fetch a nurse who let me in. This was around 11 p.m.

“The doctor who called me came to meet me and apologized and said that his numbers were now better and he was going to be transferred to the ICU where he could get the care he needed. He was on a respirator and was sedated, so he was not in pain, or at least aware of the pain.

“My husband should have been moved to the place where the experts who were there on the front lines could help him. Every 15 minutes I would ask when he was going to be transferred and they would say in the next few minutes, but that never happened. At around 2:30 am, they were finally ready to transfer him upstairs, and I left, exhausted, not willing to battle another group of security guards in ICU.

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“I walked three blocks towards home and the doctor called me to say he was gone, his heart and lungs just stopped beating from all the pressure they were under.”

Lisanti continued, “He was only allowed in the hospital until he was most certainly dying, and then he languished in ER for 14 hours while they tested him for corona, which he obviously had, and struggled to find someone to take him upstairs to ICU.

“Maybe if he was there, he would have had a fighting chance at least for those 15 hours, but of course we will never know. And now I have to grieve alone in quarantine.”

She added, “Please know that I write this not for sympathy, but to let you know the reality of this disease and our country’s lack of preparation for it.“

Merrill’s daughter Laura confirmed her stepmother’s account and told The Post about his final hours, “We asked if we could come and say goodbye so he didn’t have to die alone, they refused, but my stepmom was persistent and they finally allowed us to you see him for two minutes in the ER.

“It was really hard to get into the hospital, the security guards stopped me, I was hysterical and crying, and finally they let me in.

“I was in protective gear, and I gave him my love. He was very peaceful and sedated on a ventilator, which was shocking to see. He had been texting me that morning. I was hugging and kissing him, I didn’t care if I was exposed.

“When I left the hospital It was a very long and lonely walk home, there was nobody in the streets. By the time I got home he was gone.

“They tried to move him to the ICU and in that move he died, his lungs were just too destroyed.”

Laura, a photographer, added, “The hardest part is that we can’t be together to mourn this as a family, we can’t have a funeral. I have to self-quarantine, my step-mother has to self-quarantine, we have to grieve alone.

“This happened so quickly, our heads are still spinning. His last gig was on March 13, he was downtown on stage doing his thing. He was still doing his thing, he was 69 acting like he’s 40 years old. I just shot his album cover, because he had a new album coming out.

“It is really shocking how this virus is taking people. Yet I still see people taking it lightly, joking about it on social media, people are getting antsy stuck in their homes, and are going outside. This isn’t a joke, you have to stay inside.

“I am staying inside self quarantining, and it is lonely. This virus is brutal, not only are people dying but families are being destroyed because they can’t grieve properly, they can’t grieve together.”
股动 发表于 4/4/2020 4:25:37 PM

这个尼玛不是sb州长和市长的责任吗?

如果不是他们downplay,都3/13号了还在市中心演出,那么多人聚集在一起,多少人被传染啊?湾区大公司那个时候都wfh一周多了。那个sb市长3/3号自己还在纽约做地铁,跟大家说没关系。

这么多无辜的人,不管是名流医生普通百姓,很多没有必要的牺牲,真的和这些领导者有太大关系了。

之前还有纽约单身女花痴那个Andrew Cuomo, 关心他是不是单身。。。
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feemy
我们county确实是65岁以上死得最多,一共死了28个,65岁以上22个,45到64 是6个, 45以下一个都没死,45岁以下确诊其实占了40%, 我觉得病毒对老人杀伤力很大

star1991 发表于 4/4/2020 5:23:58 PM

你说的这些都是包括基础病的吧?
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sweetkisskiss
年轻人方便自己出去检测啊 老年人不方便得到检测 是不是应该给老人院筛查一下,及早发现
小胖球唇膏
胡扯。我就在纽约医院工作 什么icu年轻人多都是胡扯。我们医院的100+以上死亡病例来看几乎都是老年人+ 基础疾病(包括obese)的。
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star1991


你说的这些都是包括基础病的吧?

feemy 发表于 4/4/2020 6:46:27 PM


具体不知道,county得网站没标这么详细,刚查,今天又死了11个, 7个65岁以上, 4个45-64岁的, 45岁以下没有人死。上了年龄,大部分或多或少都有点基础病吧
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tracylovebobo
会不会真的是卡介苗有用,所以中国都是没注射过卡介苗的老人比较严重我,年纪轻的都注射过,所以不严重
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polyoma2002
这个还真不一定。我认识至少两个人都是非常瘦,也很注意锻炼和饮食的人都有血糖问题。
很瘦体脂比也很低的人应该没有这个问题吧? 201120152019 发表于 4/4/2020 5:07:00 PM
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zl3341
CDC发布的数据跟LZ说的不一样。

This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.

link:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

Lz说的,我在cnn上找了一大圈儿,并没有看见。。。
起舞弄清影 发表于 4/4/2020 4:31:24 PM


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lilacxxt

这个有什么具体指标吗?比如血糖多少什么的?
股动 发表于 4/4/2020 4:27:08 PM

2 h OGTT 140~200之间。
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wwguoer
胡扯。我就在纽约医院工作 什么icu年轻人多都是胡扯。我们医院的100+以上死亡病例来看几乎都是老年人+ 基础疾病(包括obese)的。
小胖球唇膏 发表于 4/4/2020 7:05:28 PM


看看前面帖子里纽约的统计数据,你所看到的也是片面的。再说,你知道你们医院的所有死亡病例吗
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noshock
你自己去看啊
不看英文新闻么
每天很多啊
动不动就让人贴
贴的过来么

fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:10:40 PM


别人都用统计事实反驳了你,你就用个案来回答。。
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Glentower


Do you live under the stone or what?
Do you not watch the news?

fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:31:39 PM


算了
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hcrab
新闻中的个案不能代替统计数据
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aiyamayayongle
年纪轻不代表没有基础疾病,在住院前没有发现基础疾病也不代表没有基础疾病。 老美的肥胖率那么高,那些300磅的大胖子没有基础疾病才叫见了鬼了。
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lastunas
回复 81楼aiyamayayongle的帖子 还有很多500磅以上的,scale也没用了
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aiyamayayongle
回复 70楼sweetkisskiss的帖子 老人院里的很多老人都签了DNR协议的,查出来了结果只能眼睁睁看着他们挂掉,更受不了。
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jennifer111ar
中国数据本来就是假的
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noshock
回复 70楼sweetkisskiss的帖子

老人院里的很多老人都签了DNR协议的,查出来了结果只能眼睁睁看着他们挂掉,更受不了。
aiyamayayongle 发表于 4/4/2020 8:41:03 PM

我一个朋友说,据她所知,多数都在入院前后就签了DNR。
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aiyamayayongle
回复 75楼zl3341的帖子 sex unknown是个什么鬼?
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littleceleb
就美国这个超重率,就算和别国一样治疗手段,死亡率也会更高。 别以为超重,体脂率高没什么,随便拉一个出来测,绝对都有胰岛素抵抗,也就是糖尿病前期。 再多嘴一句,很多体重不超标但是肚子肥肉多的小姑娘,多囊卵巢,脱发,体毛多,月经不来,核心也是因为胰岛素抵抗。

是的,新泽西前几天一个30出头的棒球教练死了,说没有基础病,可照片一看就是超重的样子。所以肥胖可能是导致年轻人去世的原因之一
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flipping


你自己去看啊
不看英文新闻么
每天很多啊
动不动就让人贴
贴的过来么

fadeintoyou 发表于 4/4/2020 4:10:40 PM

每天都有中年青年人因新冠去世,这是对。但说死亡的40%是中青年,这就是谣言。
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flipping


看看前面帖子里纽约的统计数据,你所看到的也是片面的。再说,你知道你们医院的所有死亡病例吗

wwguoer 发表于 4/4/2020 7:49:11 PM

前面贴子里的统计应该是确诊患者里的比例,不是死亡患者的统计
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brookeyang
美国这些6 , 70的老人 三月份还出去坐游轮,旅游 也是醉了。
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susancoffee
我觉得是因为没有建方舱的问题。武汉方舱医院的都是被归为轻症的,有些人也是需要上氧气瓶的。这个病就跟溺水一样,需要氧气瓶的时候没有,那不就是几分钟人就没了么。一个人在家隔离最危险,万一加重根本没法自己开车去医院。救护车也不一定来得及
小胖球唇膏
。。。
小胖球唇膏
回复 77楼wwguoer的帖子
我恰恰就知道我们医院所有的死亡病例。以及分钟级别的用药。
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ztootz
总觉得美国人吸大麻的人太多了。 一旦染上就很麻烦。
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Wolvboo
这个病毒不分年龄的
阿达达达
昨天在CNN上看的故事好伤心。一对佛罗里达夫妇结婚51年,身体都不错。丈夫有症状去医院测被赶回去两次,后来被医院叫回去了,情况慢慢恶化,上氧气,妻子一直没事,后来觉得应该去医院测一下,没想到到医院45分钟后就直接上呼吸机了。最后医生说没救了。就拔了呼吸机送临终关怀医院,不久两人先后去世,就差六分钟。

是一个悲惨的故事。不过,我还有一点小小的羡慕。希望将来也能这样死去。
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chengcheng
昨天在CNN上看的故事好伤心。一对佛罗里达夫妇结婚51年,身体都不错。丈夫有症状去医院测被赶回去两次,后来被医院叫回去了,情况慢慢恶化,上氧气,妻子一直没事,后来觉得应该去医院测一下,没想到到医院45分钟后就直接上呼吸机了。最后医生说没救了。就拔了呼吸机送临终关怀医院,不久两人先后去世,就差六分钟。
小喵呜 发表于 4/4/2020 4:13:04 PM


不求同年同月同日生,但求同年同月同日死,这是上辈子修来的福分。结婚51年了,大概也7,8十岁了,就这样短时间内双双离世,也没遭啥大罪,比那些病床上一躺几年甚至十几年的人,幸运多了。
今生无悔


不求同年同月同日生,但求同年同月同日死,这是上辈子修来的福分。结婚51年了,大概也7,8十岁了,就这样短时间内双双离世,也没遭啥大罪,比那些病床上一躺几年甚至十几年的人,幸运多了。

chengcheng 发表于 4/4/2020 10:15:58 PM

同意,算是善终的神仙伴侣了。