CDC director says some coronavirus-related deaths have been found posthumously During the House Oversight Committee discussion on the novel coronavirus response, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said some deaths from coronavirus have been discovered posthumously. Rep. Harley Rouda asked CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield if it’s possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus. "The standard practice is the first thing you do is test for influenza, so if they had influenza they would be positive," Redfield said. Rouda then asked Redfield if they are doing posthumous testing. Redfield said there has been "a surveillance system of deaths from pneumonia, that the CDC has; it’s not in every city, ever state, every hospital.” Rouda followed up and asked, “So we could have some people in the United States dying for what appears to be influenza when in fact it could be the coronavirus?” The doctor replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today.”
流感死了几万人里，（这个数字是model推算的吧），这些人里一例新冠都没有？也不太可能吧？ 这是不是说明新冠早已经跟我们擦身而过，如果这样，好消息是我们的免疫系统已经经历过了考验，坏消息是新冠已经无处不在我们也会再次近距离接触。总结可能是大家该干嘛继续干嘛吧，总不能一辈子隐居了。 CNN CDC director says some coronavirus-related deaths have been found posthumously During the House Oversight Committee discussion on the novel coronavirus response, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said some deaths from coronavirus have been discovered posthumously. Rep. Harley Rouda asked CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield if it’s possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus. "The standard practice is the first thing you do is test for influenza, so if they had influenza they would be positive," Redfield said. Rouda then asked Redfield if they are doing posthumous testing. Redfield said there has been "a surveillance system of deaths from pneumonia, that the CDC has; it’s not in every city, ever state, every hospital.” Rouda followed up and asked, “So we could have some people in the United States dying for what appears to be influenza when in fact it could be the coronavirus?” The doctor replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today.”
CDC director says some coronavirus-related deaths have been found posthumously During the House Oversight Committee discussion on the novel coronavirus response, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said some deaths from coronavirus have been discovered posthumously. Rep. Harley Rouda asked CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield if it’s possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus. "The standard practice is the first thing you do is test for influenza, so if they had influenza they would be positive," Redfield said. Rouda then asked Redfield if they are doing posthumous testing. Redfield said there has been "a surveillance system of deaths from pneumonia, that the CDC has; it’s not in every city, ever state, every hospital.” Rouda followed up and asked, “So we could have some people in the United States dying for what appears to be influenza when in fact it could be the coronavirus?” The doctor replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today.”
CDC director says some coronavirus-related deaths have been found posthumously During the House Oversight Committee discussion on the novel coronavirus response, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said some deaths from coronavirus have been discovered posthumously. Rep. Harley Rouda asked CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield if it’s possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus. "The standard practice is the first thing you do is test for influenza, so if they had influenza they would be positive," Redfield said. Rouda then asked Redfield if they are doing posthumous testing. Redfield said there has been "a surveillance system of deaths from pneumonia, that the CDC has; it’s not in every city, ever state, every hospital.” Rouda followed up and asked, “So we could have some people in the United States dying for what appears to be influenza when in fact it could be the coronavirus?” The doctor replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today.”
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CDC director says some coronavirus-related deaths have been found posthumously During the House Oversight Committee discussion on the novel coronavirus response, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said some deaths from coronavirus have been discovered posthumously. Rep. Harley Rouda asked CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield if it’s possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus. "The standard practice is the first thing you do is test for influenza, so if they had influenza they would be positive," Redfield said. Rouda then asked Redfield if they are doing posthumous testing. Redfield said there has been "a surveillance system of deaths from pneumonia, that the CDC has; it’s not in every city, ever state, every hospital.” Rouda followed up and asked, “So we could have some people in the United States dying for what appears to be influenza when in fact it could be the coronavirus?” The doctor replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today.”
同意，我觉得这种情况应该是刚刚开始，因为检测范围还是很小，之前这种情况应该很少。
你这啥脑回路？
这才是正确理性的解读
对的，这完全不证明说什么去年开始就在美国流传的说法，你看意大利几周内重症挤爆医疗资源，看看公主号，如果去年的流感当成了新冠那绝对不不可到现在医疗系统都不爆。
是的。只可能是近期的。这个病2个星期就能发展成意大利那样，想想。
全家都得過流感的是不是就可以出門party去了？
不信。如果真的是比中国早，理论上讲应当有大量传染才对。同时感染两个是有可能的，但未必意味着是美国起源。
不过，或许美国somehow不利于传播不能形成灾难？所以CDC根本不作为是因为知道不会形成灾难？如果是真的，反而release了。。。
传染应该挡不住
会不会形成重症灾难还言之过早吧
过两周还没形成应该就不会了
你看看西雅图的老人院吧，几乎king county 十个老人院都确诊了，等着看死亡率攀升吧。
西雅图的这边最早就是从seattle flu study里面筛出来新冠的，才发现已经社区流行了。
现在相当于1月初的武汉，还没到爆的时候。
这也很难说啊，RNA病毒的变异性没人说的清楚。就以国内来说，大家警觉起来起码要1月20日后了，但武汉最早起码追溯到12月8日之前。在1月23日之前，全国各地还不是该吃吃该睡睡？就说上海人口密度这么大的城市，公交，地铁，火车，飞机哪里不是人，为何12月8日-1月23日整整1个多月，没啥动静反应?有检测后，也是输入型为主。 你说数字造假，那确实地方医疗系统的医生没有被传染啊，同样上海12月-1月也有很多流感的，这次流感反正我朋友圈反馈要吃抗生素才行，冬季急诊都是人。
包括武汉那个海鲜市场只是感染点，不是原发点。我目前不信原发美国这一套，但我也不会如你这样轻易否认， 因为事实基础都挺薄弱的。RNA病毒跑中国变成一个类型，而在美国变成几种类型，这种可能性并没有被完全否定。
我们州2月流感死亡率是去年的1000%，住院率是500%
现在连CDC的官员都承认这个了。当初我通过数据分析，指出今年肺炎死亡的数字有异常，被踩成了泥。现在的美国，包括美国华人，最大的问题就是不能讨论真相。谁要是说不好听的话，谁就是五毛。在这种风气下，美国失去了纠错能力，误判疫情的发展变成了一种必然。
今年美国肺炎统计中出现了异常现象
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反攻什么，说武肺从美国传到武汉？
你分析的2019- 2010 cdc数据是去年10 月开始的， 所以你是否认为认为去年底武肺已经在美国传开？
你当中国的审查制度不存在？ 发哨人艾芬医生， 吹哨人李文亮医生以及其他一线医生早在一月初在朋友群里分享病毒信息，就被神通广大的武汉公安局抓住训诫一通，并光荣登上CCAV被污蔑为造谣者，然后还要戴罪立功冲上一线。事实上，武汉1月份医院就已经被新冠感染者挤爆了，但消息一直被中共官方强力压制没有公开，没有引起群众警惕。然后直到病毒大爆发，实在捂不住了，一尊亲自指挥亲自部署， ”封城“，一千万武汉人就被封死在家里，一直到现在。
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你这逻辑真有问题啊。武汉在一月初就爆发了，被政府压着不准公开，医生都集体沉默不敢讲，才造成了现在的全球蔓延的结果。 我们这网上的PWWP在1月17号就警告大家，说武汉肺炎病人去世直接拉火葬场，家人都不让见面的。到你这里就变成了武汉一个多月没有动静了。
问题是这事情不是CDC做的，CDC拿别人的工作来掩盖自己尸位素餐
现在CDC这个死样子还讲这种话？武汉就算是12月就公开又怎么样？会影响现在CDC和川普做的任何决策吗？
我又没说CDC做的好，只是评判你说的武汉在一月23号封城前岁月静好的说法， 那么着急干嘛呢？
你原文不是说不公开导致全球蔓延吗？1月20日是公开了，快2个月过去了，美国的情况......
扯蛋，CDC给自己找借口呢，从蠢懒变为技术性失误
擦，那我可能已经得过新冠了，搞不好有抗体了。去年底曾因肺炎住过院
明明是说那些没检测的，以为是流感会不会可能是新冠？这个当然可能啊。这个有错吗？
这个正解，没有测过的当然不能肯定的说一定没有新冠。回答的逻辑上没有问题。只能说回答的人太诚实，或者问问题的太狡猾。这样的逻辑应用到任何一个国家，都可以。应用到中国武汉还没有检测新冠的时候，也是一样。
美国这个流感季已经死亡2万人。算下来每天150人上下。比现在每天的新冠肺炎死亡数还低的多。所以在以前没测的情况下，极有可能有许多新冠病人按流感处理了。现在CDC自己也坦白承认有这种实例了。当然这2万中的大部分人应该是普通流感。
1。新冠病毒的死亡率是流感的十倍！
2。中国官方公布，早在2月初武汉就有大批医护人员被武汉肺炎感染甚至死亡。
3。这个病毒的传染率在欧洲证明是每9天病人增加10倍，死亡率超过流感十倍。世界上的所有医生，还没有都傻到不去检查这个与众不同的肺炎感染自己医护人员的成因是什么，却把它看成流感的地步。
你问任何医疗问题，医生都不能否认会有误诊。在某个医院几例误诊是有可能的，但是在中国以外的所有的医院，全都误诊是不可能的。这种阴谋论只能骗骗中国草民。
如果真的是美国原发，而且是美国在去年10/25号的运动会上面传播出去的话，说明 或者 这个病毒怕热，在去年10月以前的热天气里面没有大规模爆发或者 病毒在武汉潜伏几个月以后发生变异，就像韩国的S型和意大利的L型变异一样。 如果是第一种，大家熬到6月份至少可以松一口气。如果是第二种，那还是等每年的疫苗吧。
不过去年年轻人吸电子烟导致白肺的照片，比几十年老烟枪还严重，太多疑问了