Coronavirus, who are the victims in Italy https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_febbraio_24/coronavirus-chi-sono-vittime-italia-74e27360-56f6-11ea-b89d-a5ca249e9e1e.shtml With today's three deaths on Monday, coronavirus-related deaths rise to six in Italy. The news was confirmed by the head of Civil Protection Angelo Borrelli . All the victims lived in the two outbreaks identified in Northern Italy and on which a possible connection emerged . The Lombardy Region denied a seventh case (it concerned a Crema cancer patient hospitalized in Brescia). The contagions do not stop at the moment and it is expected to assess whether the measures introduced in seven regions of Northern Italy will be able to limit the epidemic. Here, however, are the patients who died positive for Covid-19. * Adriano Trevisan, 78 years old from Vo 'Euganeo (Padua) died on February 21st. He had been hospitalized for about ten days at the hospital of Schiavonia (Padua) with a diagnosis of pneumonia. Since he had never been to China, only a few days before his death he had been tested for coronavirus, a positive result. Trevisan frequented a bar in his country together with a friend who in turn found positive. * A 75-year-old woman residing in Casalpusterlengo, one of the municipalities in the "red zone" of Lodigiano, dies on 22 February. Fatal for the woman would have been a visit to the Codogno emergency room at the same time as the so-called "patient 1" was there, the thirty-eight-year-old from Codogno from whom the entire infection is believed to have started. The swab on the virus was carried out post-mortem on the Casalpusterlengo woman. * Angela Denti, 68 , from Trescore Cremasco (Cremona) dies on Sunday at the Crema hospital. She had a very compromised clinical picture : she was admitted to the oncology department with a diagnosis of cancer and had a heart attack shortly before her death. Following a respiratory crisis, she had also been found positive for coronavirus. * An 84-year - old man from Villa di Serio died in Bergamo, at Papa Giovanni hospital: he had been transferred there from Alzano Lombardo hospital with a clinical picture already compromised and positive for coronavirus. * An 88-year-old man born in Caselle Landi and residing in Codogno is the fifth victim of the coronavirus in Italy. The town of Lodigiano and is one of the ten centers included in the "outbreak" by the decree of the Ministry of Health and the Lombardy Region. * An 80-year-old man residing in Castiglione d'Adda ( one of the villages of the Lombard "red zone" ) died at the Sacco hospital in Milan. Thursday he had been hospitalized for a heart attack at the hospital in Lodi. Initially he had been hospitalized in resuscitation but a positive test result had been transferred to Milan.
Here is some google translation伦巴第法令提供什么？ 伦巴第采取的措施有效期至3月1日，可再延长7天，规定： - 关闭学校和大学； -在公共或私人场所中止任何性质的活动或倡议，活动和任何形式的会议，包括文化，娱乐，体育（因此，体育馆将关闭），宗教的（可以庆祝丧葬和婚礼，但可以即使在向公众开放的封闭场所进行，也只有亲戚的存在）; -暂停向博物馆和其他文化机构和地方（包括大教堂，但仍然向忠实者开放，以及电影院，剧院和博物馆）向公众开放服务； -暂停比赛； -从18点至6点关闭诸如酒吧，迪斯科舞厅和酒吧之类的娱乐和休闲商业场所（相反，餐厅不受限制，目前甚至送货 服务也没有限制），公共服务保持活跃，商店开张，除了那些周六和周日必须关闭的大型购物中心（食品销售者除外）。
According to the news, "The first to fall ill was a 38-year-old Italian who met with someone who had returned from China on Jan. 21 without presenting any symptoms of the new virus, health authorities said. That person was being kept in isolation and appears to present antibodies to the virus." That person contains antibodies of the virus which indicated he got the virus but probably healed by himself. There's no way he could have gotten the antibodies without having the virus. OK!!! [hr]probably is the outdated info... that person did not have the antibodies apparently...(wouldn't let me delete my post, so i'm just going to edit it)
this is wrong information "3 第一例非中国人确诊出现在伦巴第大区。伦巴第大区就是米兰那个大区。这个强壮爱运动的年轻男子不知怎么感染了新冠，病情严重。他的一个朋友在一月底从中国返回意大利，并和他吃个了饭。一度大家怀疑这个朋友是传染源。但这个人并没有检测出病毒。"
According to the news, "The first to fall ill was a 38-year-old Italian who met with someone who had returned from China on Jan. 21 without presenting any symptoms of the new virus, health authorities said. That person was being kept in isolation and appears to present antibodies to the virus." That person contains antibodies of the virus which indicated he got he virus but probably healed by himself. There's no way he could have gotten the antibodies without having the virus. OK!!! Shirleyhe42 发表于 2/24/2020 2:58:50 PM
Codogno's patient, Mattia M., is in stable condition and was transferred to the San Matteo hospital in Pavia, while his parents were taken from their home in Castiglione d'Adda this evening and taken with bio-containment ambulance to the Sacco. In the meantime, two cases of positivity were found in Piacenza, all related to the Lodigiano: one is the nurse who had performed the triage on the 38 year old in the Codogno hospital. Here too closed schools, as well as public and private sports facilities, until Tuesday 25 February. And the bishop of Piacenza forbade the exchange of peace during mass. But from the tests on the tests of the Fiorenzuola d'Arda manager who returned from China, who was supposed to have infected the 38-year-old, it emerged that the man, already negative at the first exams, never had the coronavirus. "He didn't develop antibodies," said Deputy Minister of Health Pierpaolo Sileri. So he is not responsible for spreading the virus in the Lodi area and we go back to looking for Patient zero.
according to the most updated news, that friend did not contain antibodies of the virus in his system which indicates that he probably was not infected by the virus.
Coronavirus Lombardia, the «007» on the trail of patient zero: «Every memory is fundamental»
If this story of the Lombard siege of the coronavirus were to become a TV series, they would certainly be the protagonists. They are the hunters of the virus, the detectives who are chasing new possible cases of infection . They are the experts of infectious diseases that in these days have reconstructed the chain of contacts of the "patient index" Mattia, the 38-year-old from Codogno, the first isolated case in Lombardy. They have to reconstruct the patient's last weeks of life, his visits, every place he has passed, slept, ate, breathed. Their work is obscure, far from the spotlight, but not out of habit. Rather, because there is no time to stop and tell, we run after a thread where the minutes and seconds can make the difference. Even more than a criminal investigation. Because the potential killer is invisible and strikes with every breath. Anyone can be infected, each can be the next link in the chain of disease spread. To try to tell their work you have to start from the hectic hours after the discovery of Mattia's positivity. ( What to do to avoid infection: all symptoms of the disease )
The doctors of the Codogno hospital , where the 38-year-old was subjected to the swab, received the news on Thursday evening from the doctors of the Sacco hospital in Milan, the structure identified by the Ministry of Health as a hub for cases in Northern Italy. At that moment the communication arrives to the Region and consequently to the complex Operative Unit of Preventive Medicine in the Infectious Disease communities. Then the local law enforcement agencies and institutional bodies are warned. From this moment the long and not yet finished hunt for infected and patient zero begins .
The investigation begins with a sort of anamnesis of the victim . An assessment is made of the state of the disease, of the previous clinical picture, of vaccinations, surgery, family medical history. Then - when the patient's condition makes it possible - the interrogation proceeds. Last contacts. Last domicile. Displacements. Colleagues. People with whom we have come in contact in the previous weeks. This phase is decisive to direct the first investigations. But it is repeated several times after hours: exactly as in the interrogation of a witness we try to solicit the memories, to help the patient to reconstruct the previous days. ( The doctor infected between patients and lectures )
In this technology has given decisive help . Cell phones, photos, emails, chats help to keep track of meetings, times, dates. In most of the contacts, at least the closest ones, are contained in the address books of smartphones. Then the chain is rebuilt backwards.
The ATS experts, directed by Marino Faccini, can count on years of experience in the cases(also very recent) of meningitis or legionella epidemic. The system is the same: we start from the closest family members (wife, husband, children), we move on to the parents, the closest friends, the colleagues. All potential contacts. Also including the "strangers": the neighbor on the plane, the one on the train. At least where there are archives capable of recovering data. The contribution of the police force, access to databases, and communications with barracks in the area is crucial in this phase: to retrieve an address, a telephone number. The lieutenant colonel of the carabinieri Rosario Giacometti, at the head of the operational department of Lodi, remembers every passage of the night of the virus: «Telephone call at midnight on Thursday. Since then no one has slept anymore. "
A warning call, after a few minutes the technician's van arrives home escorted by a patrol.Only doctors with waterproof overalls, gloves and face masks enter the house. The swab is removed and instructions are given. But every "positive" potential is questioned, the data immediately shared. Only doctors talk to the sick. It is not just a medical caution: the moment is highly emotional, there are protocols also tested from a psychological point of view. It is easier for many people to confide in a doctor than in a uniformed man. Also because it is necessary to reconstruct everything, even frequent visits that may not be confessable. "We have seen this many times in cases of meningitis, who is exposed to a health risk hardly keeps something hidden". The same scene is repeated with every possible infection. We look for links between cases, shared places, opportunities for contact. "The goal is to find possible victims before the virus arrives. Every memory is decisive, every fundamental second ».
The investigation begins with a sort of anamnesis of the victim . An assessment is made of the state of the disease, of the previous clinical picture, of vaccinations, surgery, family medical history. Then - when the patient's condition makes it possible - the interrogation proceeds. Last contacts. Last domicile. Displacements. Colleagues. People with whom we have come in contact in the previous weeks. This phase is decisive to direct the first investigations. But it is repeated several times after hours: exactly as in the interrogation of a witness we try to solicit the memories, to help the patient to reconstruct the previous days. ( The doctor infected between patients and lectures )
https://www.worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/fear-tents-and-triage-as-coronavirus-spreads-in-italy Fear, Tents And Triage As Coronavirus Spreads In Italy Tourists in Milan on Feb. 24 - Simona Chioccia/IPA/ZUMA Shortages of medical supplies are already hitting in the northern city of Turin, in Italy, which is by far the worst hit European country from the COVID-19 coronavirus. Alberto GiachinoLA STAMPA2020-02-24 English edition • WORLDCRUNCH TURIN — They began taking shape over the weekend, erected by civil protection officers from the northern Piemonte region, inside or next to the hospitals that have emergency rooms: pneumatic tents, lit and heated, for the pre-triage sorting. The goal: a different pathway to deal with suspected contagion of the COVID-19 coronavirus in Italy, which has confirmed five deaths and more than 200 cases Monday, by far Europe's most widespread outbreak of the virus. First the inspections by technical officers, then the electrical connections, and finally the tents, spread out and inflated. Scenes from another time, reminiscent of a war zone, which never fail to make an impression on locals. It makes you want to explain that these are all preventative measures — no one has seen anything like this for decades. "It seems like we're in a war," murmured an old man as he walked in front of the tent dominating the emergency room at San Giovanni Molinette hospital. But before being allowed into the emergency room, everyone must have their temperature taken to check for fever, and answer the necessary questions to be directed toward the most appropriate course of care. At Mauriziano hospital, a separate triage room has been proposed instead of the tents. The alternative is still under consideration — though no one knows for how long. Masks, gel and disinfectant are running out. Some hospitals, such as Città della Salute di Torino, forged ahead . At the entrance of the emergency room at Molinette, in the "hot room" where ambulances stop to unload patients, a table was set up with doctors and nurses, all wearing surgical masks. To each arriving visitor, some of whom were also wearing masks, the staff politely asked the same questions: "Pardon me, by chance do you have a fever, any symptoms?" Questions that the new arrivals had anticipated, having been informed by the public health campaign transmitted by the media. They said no, or simply shook their heads, before making their way toward the emergency room door to visit friends and family who were ill. In Turin — Photo: Alberto Gandolfo/Pacific Press/ZUMA The collective unease, mixed with concern, was palpable even with the masks on. "Afraid? Hell no, I spent nine years in the army…" quipped one of the workers at the entrance. The worst is to be assumed with a virus about which little is known, from the length of the incubation period to its ability to survive on surfaces. Italian nurses' unions are asking for guarantees. "The nurses and health workers, in addition to offering their skills, are putting their bodies on the line, and the risk of contracting the virus themselves or passing it on to their families is multiplied for obvious reasons," reads a statement from the union NurSind Piemonte. "The chronic shortage of staff in these services is also cause for concern." Hospitals are beginning to ration. Another union, Nursing Up, has sought to focus attention on the protection measures it judges insufficient, and more generally on what it calls a "hobbled" organizational effort.The messages that arrive from hospitals to union representatives give the impression of a growing desperation. There are those who lament not being consulted or involved in the mounting of the tents ("They don't even know where to start!"), those who curse themselves for having switched swifts and finding themselves in the middle of it all ("Total delirium today, the people are crazed"). The Amedeo di Savoia Hospital — which specializes in the treatment of infectious diseases (treating 120 cases of tuberculosis each year) and is on the front line against the virus — is already short on the chemical reagents needed to carry out the specific test that allows workers to exclude the possibility of contagion in a patient. Same story at Molinette, the other medical stronghold in Turin. In several emergency rooms, masks, gel and disinfectant are running out. Hospitals are beginning to ration all that is being requested, with increasing insistence, from suppliers. It is the primary concern of health and administrative officials. The 911 service doesn't have the swabs needed to carry out home visits ordered by the Piemonte region. It all adds up to a widespread feeling that the worst is yet to come. 意大利开始搭帐篷 在医院门口可以筛选病人 免得再出现一个确诊病人污染一个医院导致医院停摆消毒的情况
欧盟其他国家各自表态，法国最淡定，呵呵 The crisis is starting to pressure Europe’s commitment to open borders and free travel. Austria on Sunday temporarily halted trains from Italy after concerns that two passengers on one train might have the virus. They tested negative and train traffic resumed. Austrian officials have considered further controls on the Italian border but are wary of acting because of the countries’ deep economic links, according to people familiar with the matter. In Romania, authorities sought written statements from all air passengers arriving from Italy about their whereabouts in the country. All 140 passengers who landed Sunday in the city of Craiova from Bergamo, Lombardy, said they hadn’t been to the quarantined areas and were allowed to go home. “We have to believe them, what else can we do. They seemed serious people who realize there is a danger,” said Liliana Nica, an epidemiologist at the Romanian public-health department. German Health Minister Jens Spahn said quarantines of entire communities could also be required in Germany if the virus spreads there, adding that no measure could be ruled out. He commended Italy for its swift reaction to the outbreak there. France said it had no plans to curb travel from Italy. “Closing borders wouldn’t make much sense because the virus doesn’t propagate itself according to administrative boundaries,” Jean-Baptiste Djebbari, France’s junior minister in charge of transportation, said on French television.
The crisis is starting to pressure Europe’s commitment to open borders and free travel.
Austria on Sunday temporarily halted trains from Italy after concerns that two passengers on one train might have the virus. They tested negative and train traffic resumed. Austrian officials have considered further controls on the Italian border but are wary of acting because of the countries’ deep economic links, according to people familiar with the matter.
In Romania, authorities sought written statements from all air passengers arriving from Italy about their whereabouts in the country. All 140 passengers who landed Sunday in the city of Craiova from Bergamo, Lombardy, said they hadn’t been to the quarantined areas and were allowed to go home. “We have to believe them, what else can we do. They seemed serious people who realize there is a danger,” said Liliana Nica, an epidemiologist at the Romanian public-health department.
German Health Minister Jens Spahn said quarantines of entire communities could also be required in Germany if the virus spreads there, adding that no measure could be ruled out. He commended Italy for its swift reaction to the outbreak there.
France said it had no plans to curb travel from Italy. “Closing borders wouldn’t make much sense because the virus doesn’t propagate itself according to administrative boundaries,” Jean-Baptiste Djebbari, France’s junior minister in charge of transportation, said on French television. lingling7 发表于 2/24/2020 4:20:54 PM
https://www.corriere.it/esteri/20_febbraio_24/03-esteri-lightcorriere-web-sezioni-be84a59e-574e-11ea-b89d-a5ca249e9e1e.shtml PATIENT 1 Coronavirus, the doctor who treats Mattia: «An anti-HIV drug to save him and the others» The doctor in the trenches for 80 hours «An anti-HIV drug to save Mattia and the others» The first patient identified is treated in Pavia: some friends are infected, but have mild symptoms. So they live (at home) with the virus, between TV and irony The first patient identified is treated in Pavia: some friends are infected, but have mild symptoms So they live (at home) with the virus, between TV and irony by Simona Ravizza Coronavirus, the doctor who treats Mattia: «An anti-HIV drug to save him and the others» The doctor in the trenches for 80 hours «An anti-HIV drug to save Mattia and the others»shadow
FROM OUR SENT PAVIA The infectious disease specialist in the trenches against Coronavirus for 80 hours straight: "I have lost my bill by now". And the "Patient One" of a cursed count of cases. Raffaele Bruno, 54 on 29 March, is the emblem of the sense of responsibility of all the doctors and nurses who have been working for days without returning home or seeing their family. Mattia, the 38 year old from Castiglione d'Adda , is the symbol of the patients who are struggling to survive. Their fate meets Friday night at the Policlinico San Matteo in Pavia, the cradle of Italian Infectivology. FFP2 mask, waterproof shirt cover, boots, hat, gloves, all made of biocontainment materials, Bruno leaves the Resuscitation where the Unilever researcher is under sedation.
How is Mattia treated?
«I can't talk about the single case. But his treatments are the same as for all the most serious patients hospitalized in intensive care ».
What kind of therapies are you using?
«For Coronavirus there is no specific cure because it is a new virus that suddenly passed from animal to man. We are using empirical therapies in a reasoned way ».
Which ones are they?
“It is a cocktail of medicines, among which there is also an anti-HIV drug that we were no longer using and now we have regained it. We administer it twice a day. "
The other drugs?
"There is Ribavirin, an old antiviral used for the flu, which we also give this twice a day. Then there are antibiotics to prevent bacterial infections that we administer four times a day."
Why an HIV medicine?
"The active substance is Lopinavir, an antiretroviral that belongs to the class of protease inhibitors, an enzyme present in both HIV and Coronavirus".
Are there statistics on the success rate of these drugs?
«At the moment we have to be satisfied with the preliminary results which are encouraging. A long-term follow-up isn't there yet. These are treatments that have proven effective in the laboratory. And that they have already used in China and Korea ».
Mattia is "Patient One", then there are those hospitalized in the ward, those who present themselves in the emergency room, those who call from home.
"The only case comparable to what we are experiencing today, at least in terms of perception of gravity, is the Spanish of 1918. On the positive side, at least in 85% of cases, Coronavirus does not cause any problems, besides to a banal flu state. In about 15% of cases, however, it can lead to complications, but as institutions have been repeating for days in mostly elderly patients ».
How is the situation seen from the front?
«Dozens and dozens of people arrive in the emergency room because they say they have come into contact with possible infected people. Until Sunday we had to swab everyone. Fortunately, now we do them only to those who present symptoms, so as not to waste time and diagnosis kits. Until a few days ago at 112 we replied in 45 seconds, today 14 minutes pass. The unrest is skyrocketing. Even my daughter told me not to go home because she is afraid that I could infect her. "
Coronavirus, first cases in Florence and Palermo. 283 cases in Italy. They rise to 206 in Lombardy and 38 in Venetohttps://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/02/25/news/coronavirus_toscana-249520102/ First case of coronavirus positive swab in Tuscany, Florence and probable case in Pistoia. Confirmation of the Higher Institute of Health is awaited. It would be a 63-year-old entrepreneur who has companies in the East. The man yesterday afternoon showed up at the Santa Maria Nuova hospital in the city center. During the night the swab revealed the presence of the Covid -19 coronavirus. The patient was transferred to the infectious diseases department of the Santa Maria Annunziata hospital in Ponte a Niccheri and the rooms of the Emergency Department of Santa Maria Nuova were sanitized. The last balancein Italy it speaks of 283 infected and seven dead, all elderly already weakened by other pathologies. By midmorning there are already 212 cases in Lombardy, 38 in Veneto, 23 in Emilia Romagna, two in Tuscany, three in Lazio, three in Piedmont. Meanwhile, the education minister Azzolina says in a tweet to stick only to official sources on the closure of schools. The entrepreneur from Florence would have returned from the East in early January and is trying to understand if he could have been infected in Italy by an employee who was ill a few weeks ago. The person infected in Pistoia, a 49-year-old computer scientist already in voluntary isolation, would have just returned from Codogno. Yesterday, following a feverish peak, he contacted the health services. The tourist from Bergamo on holiday in Palermo also tested positive for the coronavirus who was admitted to the brain hospital last night for checks after showing flu symptoms. Quarantine has been arranged for the woman's group of friends and for people who have been in close contact with tourists. This is the first case of coronavirus found in Southern Italy. "The sample examined at the Policlinico of Palermo - explained the governor Nello Musumeci - will be immediately sent to Spallanzani for further checks. The lady, who was placed in isolation at the infectious disease department of the Cervello Hospital, is fully aware and I am It has been reported that it does not present particular conditions of malaise. I thank all the operators because the regional health machine has moved quickly and has shown to be fully alerted.
Santa Maria Nuova hospital... One of the oldest hospital in the world founded in 1288 by Folco Portinari, the father of Beatrice beloved by Dante. Leonardo da Vinci once interned here. It is literally in the center of the city.
A hospital is usually the last place you want to go to unless absolutely necessary. But in Florence, it’s different. In the middle of town there is a hospital that has been caring for tourists and residents over the last 700 years, never missing a single day, even during plagues, revolutions, wars or natural disasters: Santa Maria Nuova, in the piazza from which it takes its name. Today it is also a museum providing guided tours of its rich and unique art collection consisting of 730 paintings, frescoes, sculptures, furnishings, and ecclesiastical relics and objects by artists including Lorenzo Ghiberti, Andrea del Castagno, Andrea della Robbia, Giambologna and Leonardo da Vinci, who is also known to have performed at least two autopsies there for his anatomical studies, one of a 100-year-old man and the other of a 2-year-old child. Over time, many of these works were commissioned, donated or, in terrible times like during the black plague, bequeathed.
New coronavirus cases confirmed in Tuscany and Sicily An Italian woman on holiday in Palermo has become the first person to test positive for the coronavirus in southern Italy, regional president Nello Musumeci has confirmed. The woman, from Bergamo in the region of Lombardy, is now in isolation in Palermo's Cervello hospital. The people she was travelling with have also been placed under quarantine, local media reports. The group had arrived in Sicily before the outbreak in the Lombardy region began last week, Musumeci told reporters, and the woman tested positive in hospital on Monday night. In central Florence, a 60-year-old Italian businessman who had reportedly travelled to Singapore recently has been placed in isolation at the city's Ponte a Niccheri hospital after testing positive for the virus. The man is the first person in Tuscany to test positive for the virus. https://www.thelocal.it/20200225/new-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-tuscany-and-sicily
Fellow Briton Nigel Scotland said he was most concerned that the man who had tested positive had been staying in the hotel for six days, and "during that time, probably five or six hundred people must have left the hotel and gone back to various places in Europe". The Italian doctor, who had been staying at the hotel with his wife, tested positive on Monday and has been placed in isolation at the University Hospital Nuestra Señora de Candelaria. He will undergo a second test to confirm the virus.
你这个思路不对。。。按照电影节奏不应该是去盗取生化武器么。。。
我看的消息米兰目前还没有死亡的 都是在郊区小镇 所以米兰还没封城。。。
600年了 说不定真能有朝一日看到米兰封城2.0
是是是，祖国通过病毒把全世界拖下了水，管你什么种族肤色统统不可分割了。很自豪是吧？
意大利北部吃的比南部“简单”一点目前把Pasta polenta risotto 买空了。。。再加上点罐头 酱料 奶酪。。。目测可以保持稳定。。。。。
这么回头一看 米兰当地的吃的习惯真挺适合封城的。。。。
威尼斯那边也有腌海鲜
翻译一下吧
伦巴底大区的政府令
主要就是说根据某某某法规，现在学校怎么办，公共场所怎么办。然后酒吧要求18点到6点不许营业。。。（那还营业个啥。。。）
我叫意大利同事来翻译，他看了看特别欣慰表示隔壁伦巴底的长官们继承了米兰大主教的光荣传统，面对瘟疫表现真果断，是汉子，然后开始科普“北方为什么要独立”。。。我尿遁了。。。
我看到消息南方穷省现在要求北方瘟疫省份来的人必须自我隔离14天233333 南方人终于可以光明正大的报复瞧不起他们的北方人了2333
谢谢。面对瘟疫的时候，如果人人都胆小而且果断就好了
Here is some google translation伦巴第法令提供什么？ 伦巴第采取的措施有效期至3月1日，可再延长7天，规定：
- 关闭学校和大学；
-在公共或私人场所中止任何性质的活动或倡议，活动和任何形式的会议，包括文化，娱乐，体育（因此，体育馆将关闭），宗教的（可以庆祝丧葬和婚礼，但可以即使在向公众开放的封闭场所进行，也只有亲戚的存在）;
-暂停向博物馆和其他文化机构和地方（包括大教堂，但仍然向忠实者开放，以及电影院，剧院和博物馆）向公众开放服务；
-暂停比赛；
-从18点至6点关闭诸如酒吧，迪斯科舞厅和酒吧之类的娱乐和休闲商业场所（相反，餐厅不受限制，目前甚至送货
服务也没有限制），公共服务保持活跃，商店开张，除了那些周六和周日必须关闭的大型购物中心（食品销售者除外）。
我猜想，他的朋友可能不易被感染，但可能携带微量病毒，或者可能病毒在附着在物品或者哪里，传给他。在他身上病毒高效复制了。以前的传染病都是病人传病人。但这个好像有的不是。河南不是有个案例，一个女的武汉回去，自己没病，但家里好几个人被感染。
那个姓鲁的女孩子自己是阳性，只不过没有症状而已。这个意大利一号病人的中国友人是测了几遍都是阴性，应该不是零号病人。
According to the news, "The first to fall ill was a 38-year-old Italian who met with someone who had returned from China on Jan. 21 without presenting any symptoms of the new virus, health authorities said. That person was being kept in isolation and appears to present antibodies to the virus." That person contains antibodies of the virus which indicated he got the virus but probably healed by himself. There's no way he could have gotten the antibodies without having the virus. OK!!!
[hr]probably is the outdated info... that person did not have the antibodies apparently...(wouldn't let me delete my post, so i'm just going to edit it)
也许是自愈了，测病毒阴性， 不表明没有得过？
你这个是从NYtimes来的么？哪天的消息？我觉得英语媒体很多报道都比较延迟或者张冠李戴。意大利语报道非常详细，病人哪里来什么医院说得挺具体的。意大利人不是很看中隐私。
我是看的这里 https://www.gazzetta.it/Altri-Mondi/22-02-2020/allarme-coronavirus-morto-veneto-altri-20-casi-accertati-quarantena-obbligatoria-paesi-isolati-3601143393527.shtml?refresh_ce-cp 第18楼 不过可能现在有新消息了？
下面是谷歌翻译
HUNT FOR PATIENT ZERO -
Codogno's patient, Mattia M., is in stable condition and was transferred to the San Matteo hospital in Pavia, while his parents were taken from their home in Castiglione d'Adda this evening and taken with bio-containment ambulance to the Sacco. In the meantime, two cases of positivity were found in Piacenza, all related to the Lodigiano: one is the nurse who had performed the triage on the 38 year old in the Codogno hospital. Here too closed schools, as well as public and private sports facilities, until Tuesday 25 February. And the bishop of Piacenza forbade the exchange of peace during mass. But from the tests on the tests of the Fiorenzuola d'Arda manager who returned from China, who was supposed to have infected the 38-year-old, it emerged that the man, already negative at the first exams, never had the coronavirus. "He didn't develop antibodies," said Deputy Minister of Health Pierpaolo Sileri. So he is not responsible for spreading the virus in the Lodi area and we go back to looking for Patient zero.
according to the most updated news, that friend did not contain antibodies of the virus in his system which indicates that he probably was not infected by the virus.
i remember i was reading the info from pbs... i didnt see this one. Thanks you for the updated info!!!!
恩恩
看这个 可有意思了
https://milano.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/20_febbraio_24/gli-investigatori-coronavirus-analisi-interrogatori-ricostruzioni-22a0af1c-56cf-11ea-b89d-a5ca249e9e1e.shtml
Coronavirus Lombardia, the «007» on the trail of patient zero: «Every memory is fundamental»
If this story of the Lombard siege of the coronavirus were to become a TV series, they would certainly be the protagonists. They are the hunters of the virus, the detectives who are chasing new possible cases of infection . They are the experts of infectious diseases that in these days have reconstructed the chain of contacts of the "patient index" Mattia, the 38-year-old from Codogno, the first isolated case in Lombardy. They have to reconstruct the patient's last weeks of life, his visits, every place he has passed, slept, ate, breathed.
Their work is obscure, far from the spotlight, but not out of habit. Rather, because there is no time to stop and tell, we run after a thread where the minutes and seconds can make the difference. Even more than a criminal investigation. Because the potential killer is invisible and strikes with every breath. Anyone can be infected, each can be the next link in the chain of disease spread. To try to tell their work you have to start from the hectic hours after the discovery of Mattia's positivity. ( What to do to avoid infection: all symptoms of the disease )
The doctors of the Codogno hospital , where the 38-year-old was subjected to the swab, received the news on Thursday evening from the doctors of the Sacco hospital in Milan, the structure identified by the Ministry of Health as a hub for cases in Northern Italy. At that moment the communication arrives to the Region and consequently to the complex Operative Unit of Preventive Medicine in the Infectious Disease communities. Then the local law enforcement agencies and institutional bodies are warned. From this moment the long and not yet finished hunt for infected and patient zero begins .
The investigation begins with a sort of anamnesis of the victim . An assessment is made of the state of the disease, of the previous clinical picture, of vaccinations, surgery, family medical history. Then - when the patient's condition makes it possible - the interrogation proceeds. Last contacts. Last domicile. Displacements. Colleagues. People with whom we have come in contact in the previous weeks. This phase is decisive to direct the first investigations. But it is repeated several times after hours: exactly as in the interrogation of a witness we try to solicit the memories, to help the patient to reconstruct the previous days. ( The doctor infected between patients and lectures )
In this technology has given decisive help . Cell phones, photos, emails, chats help to keep track of meetings, times, dates. In most of the contacts, at least the closest ones, are contained in the address books of smartphones. Then the chain is rebuilt backwards.
The ATS experts, directed by Marino Faccini, can count on years of experience in the cases(also very recent) of meningitis or legionella epidemic. The system is the same: we start from the closest family members (wife, husband, children), we move on to the parents, the closest friends, the colleagues. All potential contacts. Also including the "strangers": the neighbor on the plane, the one on the train. At least where there are archives capable of recovering data. The contribution of the police force, access to databases, and communications with barracks in the area is crucial in this phase: to retrieve an address, a telephone number. The lieutenant colonel of the carabinieri Rosario Giacometti, at the head of the operational department of Lodi, remembers every passage of the night of the virus: «Telephone call at midnight on Thursday. Since then no one has slept anymore. "
A warning call, after a few minutes the technician's van arrives home escorted by a patrol.Only doctors with waterproof overalls, gloves and face masks enter the house. The swab is removed and instructions are given. But every "positive" potential is questioned, the data immediately shared. Only doctors talk to the sick. It is not just a medical caution: the moment is highly emotional, there are protocols also tested from a psychological point of view. It is easier for many people to confide in a doctor than in a uniformed man. Also because it is necessary to reconstruct everything, even frequent visits that may not be confessable. "We have seen this many times in cases of meningitis, who is exposed to a health risk hardly keeps something hidden". The same scene is repeated with every possible infection. We look for links between cases, shared places, opportunities for contact. "The goal is to find possible victims before the virus arrives. Every memory is decisive, every fundamental second ».
冠状病毒伦巴底病毒，零伤亡者（patient 0）的踪迹中的《 007》：《每个记忆都是基本的》
如果这个关于伦巴第冠状病毒围攻的故事要成为电视连续剧，那他们肯定是主角。他们是病毒的猎手，是侦探们追赶新的可能感染病例的侦探。他们是传染病的专家，这些天来，他们重建了“病人索引” Mattia的联系链，该病人来自Codogno，现年38岁，是伦巴第的首例孤立病例。他们必须重建患者生命的最后几周，他的探视，他所经过的每个地方都已经睡过，吃饭，呼吸过。
他们的工作晦涩难懂，远离人们的关注，但并非出于习惯。而是，因为没有时间停下来说出来，所以您在线程之后运行，而分钟和秒可能会有所不同。甚至不只是刑事调查。因为潜在的杀手是看不见的，每一次呼吸都会击中。任何人都可以被感染，每个人都可以成为疾病传播链中的下一个环节。为了告诉他们的工作，您必须从发现Mattia阳性之后的繁忙时间开始。（如何避免感染：该疾病的所有症状）
这名 38岁的科多诺医院的医生在星期四晚上从米兰的萨科医院（Sacco hospital）的医生那里收到了新闻。卫生部确定该结构为意大利北部的医疗中心。当时，通讯到达了该地区，因此到达了传染病社区中复杂的预防医学手术室。然后警告当地的执法机构和机构。从这一刻开始，漫长而尚未完成的寻找感染者和零病人的工作开始了。
调查始于对受害者的回忆。对疾病状况，以前的临床情况，疫苗接种，手术，家族病史进行评估。然后-当患者的状况允许时-进行询问。最后联络人。最后的住所。位移。业务同事。前几周与我们联系过的人。此阶段对于指导首次调查至关重要。但是它会在几个小时后重复几次：就像在对证人的讯问中一样，我们试图寻求记忆，以帮助患者重建前几天。（医生在病人和讲座之间感染）
在这项技术上给予了决定性的帮助。手机，照片，电子邮件，聊天有助于跟踪会议，时间，日期。在大多数联系人中，至少最近的联系人包含在智能手机的通讯录中。然后将链条向后重建。
由Marino Faccini领导的ATS专家可以依靠多年的案例经验（也是最近）的脑膜炎或军团菌流行病。系统是相同的：我们从最亲密的家庭成员（妻子，丈夫，孩子）开始，然后转到父母，最亲密的朋友和同事。所有潜在的联系人。还包括“陌生人”：飞机上的邻居，火车上的邻居。至少在有能够恢复数据的存档的地方。在这一阶段，警察部队的贡献，数据库的访问以及与该地区营房的通信至关重要：检索地址，电话号码。洛迪（Lodi）作战部门负责人的Carabinieri Rosario Giacometti上校回忆了病毒夜的每一次经历：“星期四午夜打电话。从那以后，没有人再睡了。”
几分钟后，技术人员的货车在巡逻护送下返回家中，发出警告电话。只有带有防水工作服，手套和口罩的医生才能进入房间。棉签被移除并给出了说明。但是，每一个“积极的”潜力都受到质疑，数据立即共享。只有医生与病人交谈。这不仅是一种医学上的警告：此刻情绪激动，还有一些从心理学角度进行测试的协议。对许多人来说，向医生倾诉要比穿制服的人容易。另外，由于必须重建所有内容，因此即使频繁访问也不可能让人信服。“在脑膜炎的病例中，我们已经看到很多次了，那些暴露于健康风险的人几乎没有藏起来的东西”。对于所有可能的感染，重复相同的场景。我们在案例，共享场所，联系机会之间寻找联系。“目标是在病毒到来之前找到可能的受害者。每个记忆都是决定性的，每一个基本的瞬间都是»。
原計劃今年夏天去威尼斯, 真是人算不如天算. (去年秋天本來要去香港的....你說我怎麼就這麼"精準"😓)
实话说我还真不知道
不过我猜测没关系吧？一战的时候意呆利主要是在北方山区和奥匈打 那地方应该是放羊吃polenta的吧 = = 歌里面是讲种大米
不过这真还没研究过
那个姓鲁的中国女子有症状的。德国疾控中心后来电话追问的时候，她老实交代当时用了退烧药。
看看什麼是科學的態度, 專家的視角, 這才是典範👍 土共那水平,給人提鞋都不配
樓主你這就不對啦, 我現在特理解 特支持 各地人民的獨立訴求
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意大利要演绎欧盟版”武汉”一方有难八方支援么？欧盟爸爸快打钱，来医疗队意大利人口6000多万，类似湖北省规模。单纯对比医院数量，意大利医院数量为1200多家，湖北省数量为920多家，再考虑到两地不同的数量等级的感染人数，意大利的医疗资源足够充沛。
医学权威期刊柳叶刀出的2019年全球医疗质量排名意大利排名前十，尤其是以下这些领域的水平，更是以满分高居榜首
- LRIs：上呼吸道疾病
- URIs：下呼吸道疾病
- Chronical respiratory：慢性呼
好漂亮, 是樓主嗎? 👍
祥林嫂一样真的。。。而且说着说着就会绕来绕去。。。。。。
最后还拎不清究竟是咱都灵自己独立 还是拉上伦巴地一起呢。。。
当然不是。。。新闻图片
哈哈 巴塞羅那人民也差不多 , 一說起來兩眼放光---還好我只是遊客, 不會被祥林嫂轟炸
最上面那个面那么难吃吗😂
法国佬就是嘴硬 今天有个意大利来的大巴车 就是欧洲的灰狗大巴 到了法国里昂 乘客举报巴士司机一直在咳嗽。。。然后在里昂当地差点没吓死。。。后来才排除。。。。
扎心了。。。
这个帖子里总算正常人多一点。大骂死后立马火化的那些ID不知道代表什么政治团体，只是借机来达到他们的目的，根本忽视对这种强传染病的应有的措施。几十年前非洲扎伊尔的ebola就是因为第一例的葬礼才大面积传播的，死亡率达到90%。这些常识那些医务工作者当然知道。那些跳梁小丑还在这混淆视听。
目前能总结出来的就是超级传播者是决定性因素
韩国那个邪教大妈
还有意大利这个联合利华的健身达人
现在看潜伏期和病情早期的传染力是因人而异的
要遇到一个传染力强+社会活动特别活跃的人 就会有大面积中招
传播者去医院也是爆发点 意大利这个就是他防护做的不够，去了医院，结果医院一大堆人中招。。。
欧美这种健身狂人，社交活跃分子不要太多啊
国内也有啊 过年回家先和同学接风洗尘 吃遍全市各大小吃 唱K聚餐喝酒烤串。。。然后逛遍各大药店各大商店买礼品。。。去各个亲戚家拜年。。。嘿嘿嘿。。。。
这么一看日本应该大力提倡宅男文化
好倒霉的加纳利啊……都是欧洲输入…那个上次的德国人怎么样了
请告诉我们你下次要去哪里
出院了。西班牙第二粒，也是那个德国公司的又一员工去马洛卡度假确诊的。
下次我去完回來再告訴你們 (真的剛去過新馬和台灣)
Menorca么 需要开车么 哎 我也好想去散心啊。。。本来每年第一季度是我最喜欢出去玩散心的时候。。。国际游客少 哪哪都便宜。。。
PATIENT 1
Coronavirus, the doctor who treats Mattia: «An anti-HIV drug to save him and the others» The doctor in the trenches for 80 hours
«An anti-HIV drug
to save Mattia and the others»
The first patient identified is treated in Pavia: some friends are infected, but have mild symptoms. So they live (at home) with the virus, between TV and irony The first patient identified is treated in Pavia:
some friends are infected, but have mild symptoms
So they live (at home) with the virus, between TV and irony
by Simona Ravizza
Coronavirus, the doctor who treats Mattia: «An anti-HIV drug to save him and the others» The doctor in the trenches for 80 hours «An anti-HIV drug to save Mattia and the others»shadow
FROM OUR SENT
PAVIA The infectious disease specialist in the trenches against Coronavirus for 80 hours straight: "I have lost my bill by now". And the "Patient One" of a cursed count of cases. Raffaele Bruno, 54 on 29 March, is the emblem of the sense of responsibility of all the doctors and nurses who have been working for days without returning home or seeing their family. Mattia, the 38 year old from Castiglione d'Adda , is the symbol of the patients who are struggling to survive. Their fate meets Friday night at the Policlinico San Matteo in Pavia, the cradle of Italian Infectivology. FFP2 mask, waterproof shirt cover, boots, hat, gloves, all made of biocontainment materials, Bruno leaves the Resuscitation where the Unilever researcher is under sedation.
How is Mattia treated?
«I can't talk about the single case. But his treatments are the same as for all the most serious patients hospitalized in intensive care ».
What kind of therapies are you using?
«For Coronavirus there is no specific cure because it is a new virus that suddenly passed from animal to man. We are using empirical therapies in a reasoned way ».
Which ones are they?
“It is a cocktail of medicines, among which there is also an anti-HIV drug that we were no longer using and now we have regained it. We administer it twice a day. "
The other drugs?
"There is Ribavirin, an old antiviral used for the flu, which we also give this twice a day. Then there are antibiotics to prevent bacterial infections that we administer four times a day."
Why an HIV medicine?
"The active substance is Lopinavir, an antiretroviral that belongs to the class of protease inhibitors, an enzyme present in both HIV and Coronavirus".
Are there statistics on the success rate of these drugs?
«At the moment we have to be satisfied with the preliminary results which are encouraging. A long-term follow-up isn't there yet. These are treatments that have proven effective in the laboratory. And that they have already used in China and Korea ».
Mattia is "Patient One", then there are those hospitalized in the ward, those who present themselves in the emergency room, those who call from home.
"The only case comparable to what we are experiencing today, at least in terms of perception of gravity, is the Spanish of 1918. On the positive side, at least in 85% of cases, Coronavirus does not cause any problems, besides to a banal flu state. In about 15% of cases, however, it can lead to complications, but as institutions have been repeating for days in mostly elderly patients ».
How is the situation seen from the front?
«Dozens and dozens of people arrive in the emergency room because they say they have come into contact with possible infected people. Until Sunday we had to swab everyone. Fortunately, now we do them only to those who present symptoms, so as not to waste time and diagnosis kits. Until a few days ago at 112 we replied in 45 seconds, today 14 minutes pass. The unrest is skyrocketing. Even my daughter told me not to go home because she is afraid that I could infect her. "
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量子病毒？没有观测者就不会改变状态。。。
哈哈，我也这种感觉。也许武汉当初想不观测，它就不爆发？所以第一个说穿的人被惩罚了？话说意大利想起测一号病人新冠不简单啊。要是在美国，这个一号病人估计还在医院当普通肺炎治着呢。
还有现代的意大利。。。
One of the oldest hospital in the world founded in 1288 by Folco Portinari, the father of Beatrice beloved by Dante.
Leonardo da Vinci once interned here.
It is literally in the center of the city.
I strongly suggest to cancel any planned trip in March/April to Italy if you travel with kids/elderly parents.
https://www.theflorentine.net/2017/07/06/santa-maria-nuova-florence/
今天的意大利。
刚开始面对一个新病毒，还是摸着石头过河。后面经验多了，后来人可以借鉴
今天佛罗伦萨确诊的商人，目前还不确定怎么得上的。他前段时间去过新加坡，不过已经有点久了。更怀疑他回国后接触的一个重感冒的人。
西西里也有确诊的了。是去西西里的伦巴地贝加莫人。贝加莫就是意甲亚特兰大那个队的地方。。。
搞到南方去真的很慌。南方不如北方经济条件好,医疗发达。
另外佛罗伦萨的那个医院就在市中心的市中心。圣母百花教堂后面。1288年开门,经历了黑死病，经历改朝换代风风雨雨，一直到今天。。。人家真是见的多了。达芬奇曾在这里解剖。创建的资助者就是但丁爱恋的比阿特里斯的爹。。。恩读过但丁的都懂。
我就是说，现在，如果你带小孩老人, 一个月内就不要去意大利玩了。虽然意大利治疗能力不错。但是意大利人对于瘟疫真的是反应非常激烈。你会玩不好的。。。
如果你是年轻背包客，无所谓。。。大不了深度游。。。
所以意大利总理说，如果欧盟封和意大利边界，是很不公平的，他们已经采取非常严厉的措施，有信心控制住。 现在欧盟其他国家测出来的都是已经在那里的意大利人吧，各国现在去存量。。。封城之后的应该没有了。
也不能完全这么说 不给定位甲级或者乙级流行病 的确地方政府的选择比较有限
定了等级 其实有一套成型的条理可以用起来的
现在坐等看瑞士会不会封了瑞士意大利山口和隧道 现在苏黎世到米兰快车只要3小时40分钟 真的是分分钟。。。。
今天中国驻法国大使上电台接受采访时承认，地方政府反应慢了，采取措施太晚了。。。背锅人已经找到
A hotel in Tenerife where an Italian man who has tested positive for coronavirus was staying has been put on lockdown. One thousand guests at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace hotel have been placed in isolation to halt any further spread of the disease. One British holidaymaker has described the situation as a “holiday from hell”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-latest-news-italy-italia-deaths-symptoms-china-stocks-wall-street-dow-jones-economy-falls
佛罗伦萨和罗马在同一个大区吗？那不勒斯大区是不是还没有确诊病例？
佛罗伦萨和罗马不在一个区。火车2小时。那不勒斯在南部。和罗马也是1-2小时火车
我查了一下，佛罗伦萨在托斯卡纳大区，罗马在拉齐奥大区。这两个大区都有病例。那不勒斯所在的坎帕尼亚大区目前还没有病例。
这次肺炎不是瘟疫？那什么是瘟疫？烈性传染病就是瘟疫呀
Fellow Briton Nigel Scotland said he was most concerned that the man who had tested positive had been staying in the hotel for six days, and "during that time, probably five or six hundred people must have left the hotel and gone back to various places in Europe". The Italian doctor, who had been staying at the hotel with his wife, tested positive on Monday and has been placed in isolation at the University Hospital Nuestra Señora de Candelaria. He will undergo a second test to confirm the virus.