ABC在美国的一个遗憾是生存空间太窄了

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elchalten
美华就别做鸵鸟了,路子窄是客观事实

Among them, 25% were computer engineers, 17% were medical doctors, 14% were dentists, and 30% were scientists in medical fields. There were only 1% of social service workers (Fouad et al., 2008).

美华许多做餐饮美甲之类服务性行业,成为专业人士,80%从事马工医药这类不需要团队工作,可以独立操作,需要证书资格认证,学习周期漫长投资大的行业
ABC成为政治家,社区领袖,金融保险银行家,律师法律人才,CEO 经理,文化艺术行业,体育娱行业,时装fashion, 大型零售,教师社会工作者。。。几乎是零蛋,0, nil, nought, zero
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elchalten
美华 就别做鸵鸟了,路子窄是客观事实

Among them, 25% were computer engineers, 17% were medical doctors, 14% were dentists, and 30% were scientists in medical fields. There were only 1% of social service workers (Fouad et al., 2008).
美华许多做餐饮美甲之类服务性行业,成为专业人士,80%从事马工医药这类不需要团队工作,可以独立操作,需要证书资格认证,学习周期漫长投资大的行业
ABC成为政治家,社区领袖,金融保险银行家,律师法律人才,CEO 经理,文化艺术行业,体育娱行业,时装fashion, 大型零售,教师社会工作者。。。几乎是零蛋,0, nil, nought, zero
清一色
abc招谁惹谁了,天天被拎出来

实话实说,abc比国内来的小留门单纯,善良,不事故。身边有2个abc被离婚的,就是利用完毕,取得绿卡后就跑路的
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hylei
楼主真是操心太多了!ABC们都好好的,他们想法也没这么多阴暗面
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fufusix
楼主感觉见识比较少。

很多想法只是从某些文章洗脑而来。这个不怪你,我曾经也有过类似的想法。只是经历多了,才慢慢有转变。

我自己出国留学工作,海归,再归海,整套经历来说,

美国绝对不是什么特别好的地方,自身问题一堆,但是,美国绝对是这个地球上少数的最好国家之一。

ABC在美国活,真的经松自在多了,生活的广度开阔多了。

不要说ABC,我很多朋友都把孩子送到美国,加拿大,都希望孩子在这里扎根。

如果楼主爹妈在中国,终身不退居二线,且又永久处于至少部长以上的地位,并且永远不被政敌搬到,我感觉你有条件发这种贴子。

剑骨琴心 发表于 12/13/2019 11:16:51 AM


在美国呆的越久,越往上走,才越会体验到美国社会给华人机会少啊,竹天花板这个词怎么来的? 还有一个词 sticky floor也是针对亚裔的。When applied to the Asian American experience, the sticky floor refers to the phenomenon by which young professionals of Asian descent are often trapped in low-level, low-mobility jobs.[28] Asian Americans graduate from universities in high numbers, and firms tend to hire them in high numbers as well. However, within a few years, many claim to find themselves pigeonholed into dead-end careers with no path for advancement to upper-level corporate careers.[29] This process is visible across a number of fields, including business,[3] academia,[26] and law.[29] Even in areas where Asian Americans are believed to excel, such as software engineering, there is an overall tendency to see them assigned to low-ranking positions with fewer opportunities for advancement compared to other racial groups.
看看下面这个link, 为什么楼里这么多人deny呢。如果把楼主的观察,其它族裔都会同意,为什么就华人使劲deny呢?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibited discrimination on the basis of race. However, covert forms of racism persist in the workforce. The Census Bureau reports that Asian Americans have the highest education levels of any racial category in the United States. Of Asian Americans, 52.4% are college graduates, while the national average is 29.9%.[13]
According to United States Census Bureau, in 2010 the Asian American population accounts for about 5.6% of the total population in the U.S. but only 0.3% of corporate office populations.[14][15]
In New York City, Asian Americans have the highest number of associates at top New York law firms, yet the lowest conversion rate to partner.[16]
Even in fields where Asian Americans are highly disproportionally represented, such as the Silicon Valley software industry, they comprise a disproportionately small percentage of upper management and board positions.[3] Statistics show that despite 33% of all software engineers in the Silicon Valley being people of Asian descent, they make up only 6% of board members and 10% of corporate officers of the Bay Area's 25 largest companies.
At the National Institutes of Health, though 21.5% of scientists are Asian, they make up only 4.7% of the lab and branch directors.[17]
According to a study of the 25 largest Bay Area companies 12 had no board members of Asian descent, and five had no corporate officers of Asian descent.[18]
According to the United States Census 2010, Asian Americans make up 5.6% of the American population,[15] as of 2014, 3% of the district court judges are Asian American.[19] Between 2009 and 2010, President Obama had nominated eight Asian Americans to a seat on the U.S. District Court, four women and four men.[20][21][22][23] Six of the nominations have been confirmed by the Senate except for the nominations of two of the men Edward Chen and Goodwin Liu; while all the women were confirmed.
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innovationpark
美华就别做鸵鸟了,路子窄是客观事实

Among them, 25% were computer engineers, 17% were medical doctors, 14% were dentists, and 30% were scientists in medical fields. There were only 1% of social service workers (Fouad et al., 2008).

美华许多做餐饮美甲之类服务性行业,成为专业人士,80%从事马工医药这类不需要团队工作,可以独立操作,需要证书资格认证,学习周期漫长投资大的行业
ABC成为政治家,社区领袖,金融保险银行家,律师法律人才,CEO 经理,文化艺术行业,体育娱行业,时装fashion, 大型零售,教师社会工作者。。。几乎是零蛋,0, nil, nought, zero
elchalten 发表于 12/13/2019 11:50:24 AM

几乎是零蛋?你确实没在美国生活过,那就别臆想abc的生活了,跟你一毛钱关系都没有。或者你现在level还很低,所以仰着头都看不见那个圈子?那就先好好念书好好学习,你想歧视别人也要自己先强大再说,不然就象现在这样变成了笑话对不对
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fufusix
美华 就别做鸵鸟了,路子窄是客观事实

Among them, 25% were computer engineers, 17% were medical doctors, 14% were dentists, and 30% were scientists in medical fields. There were only 1% of social service workers (Fouad et al., 2008).
美华许多做餐饮美甲之类服务性行业,成为专业人士,80%从事马工医药这类不需要团队工作,可以独立操作,需要证书资格认证,学习周期漫长投资大的行业
ABC成为政治家,社区领袖,金融保险银行家,律师法律人才,CEO 经理,文化艺术行业,体育娱行业,时装fashion, 大型零售,教师社会工作者。。。几乎是零蛋,0, nil, nought, zero
elchalten 发表于 12/13/2019 11:54:09 AM


不理解为什么华人使劲deny自己被歧视呢? Bamboo ceiling和 sticky floor这两个词怎么来的。
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huaren_ID


不理解为什么华人使劲deny自己被歧视呢? Bamboo ceiling和 sticky floor这两个词怎么来的。

fufusix 发表于 12/13/2019 2:19:21 PM


不是想deny,日子是自己过的,哪里好自己可以选择,没必要说服别人。。你怎么选的,你自己心里没数吗?
当然,你要“代表”华人去抗争bamboo ceiling and sticky floor,所有这版上的人都不会反对吧?
剑骨琴心


在美国呆的越久,越往上走,才越会体验到美国社会给华人机会少啊,竹天花板这个词怎么来的? 还有一个词 sticky floor也是针对亚裔的。When applied to the Asian American experience, the sticky floor refers to the phenomenon by which young professionals of Asian descent are often trapped in low-level, low-mobility jobs.[28] Asian Americans graduate from universities in high numbers, and firms tend to hire them in high numbers as well. However, within a few years, many claim to find themselves pigeonholed into dead-end careers with no path for advancement to upper-level corporate careers.[29] This process is visible across a number of fields, including business,[3] academia,[26] and law.[29] Even in areas where Asian Americans are believed to excel, such as software engineering, there is an overall tendency to see them assigned to low-ranking positions with fewer opportunities for advancement compared to other racial groups.
看看下面这个link, 为什么楼里这么多人deny呢。如果把楼主的观察,其它族裔都会同意,为什么就华人使劲deny呢?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibited discrimination on the basis of race. However, covert forms of racism persist in the workforce. The Census Bureau reports that Asian Americans have the highest education levels of any racial category in the United States. Of Asian Americans, 52.4% are college graduates, while the national average is 29.9%.[13]
According to United States Census Bureau, in 2010 the Asian American population accounts for about 5.6% of the total population in the U.S. but only 0.3% of corporate office populations.[14][15]
In New York City, Asian Americans have the highest number of associates at top New York law firms, yet the lowest conversion rate to partner.[16]
Even in fields where Asian Americans are highly disproportionally represented, such as the Silicon Valley software industry, they comprise a disproportionately small percentage of upper management and board positions.[3] Statistics show that despite 33% of all software engineers in the Silicon Valley being people of Asian descent, they make up only 6% of board members and 10% of corporate officers of the Bay Area's 25 largest companies.
At the National Institutes of Health, though 21.5% of scientists are Asian, they make up only 4.7% of the lab and branch directors.[17]
According to a study of the 25 largest Bay Area companies 12 had no board members of Asian descent, and five had no corporate officers of Asian descent.[18]
According to the United States Census 2010, Asian Americans make up 5.6% of the American population,[15] as of 2014, 3% of the district court judges are Asian American.[19] Between 2009 and 2010, President Obama had nominated eight Asian Americans to a seat on the U.S. District Court, four women and four men.[20][21][22][23] Six of the nominations have been confirmed by the Senate except for the nominations of two of the men Edward Chen and Goodwin Liu; while all the women were confirmed.


fufusix 发表于 12/13/2019 1:57:43 PM


你没有读懂我的意思。
我的重点不是在说ABC过得有多好,我的重点是说在国内活着出路更小。大多数人在美国生活更合适。

我自己海归了好多年,老实说,在国内一线里,也算是家庭收入应该算很成功吧。

不算大富大贵,但是,我们全家即使现在不上班,也能过得挺好。

但是,在国内时真的没有安全感,所以就归海了。另外,玻璃天花板,在中国也有,也很厚,只是不是以肤色论而已。
回美国后中,我很满意现在的状态,也很满意孩子们现在的状态。

我不知道一般人怎么想,我自己回了一趟,再归来,希望我的两个孩子就在美国好好度过人生,就好。

你说的美国天花板,对于时代弄潮儿和王孙贵族,可能不公平。但是,普通人真的没有什么太压抑。而且普通人回到中国,发现中国玻璃天花板厚度一样很大。
大衣被禁
你搞错了。在美国,华人先跟黑墨竞争,轻松混个中产。在中国你要跟先要千军万马杀进985,211,然后996混个中产。
等你混上中产以后,再跟白人竞争,混个上产。在中国,等你混上中产之后,要跟姓赵的竞争,混个上产。

你觉得哪个比较好混?你觉得国内好混就回国吧。


在美国呆的越久,越往上走,才越会体验到美国社会给华人机会少啊,竹天花板这个词怎么来的? 还有一个词  sticky floor也是针对亚裔的。When applied to the Asian American experience, the sticky floor refers to the phenomenon by which young professionals of Asian descent are often trapped in low-level, low-mobility jobs. [28] Asian Americans graduate from universities in high numbers, and firms tend to hire them in high numbers as well. However, within a few years, many claim to find themselves pigeonholed into dead-end careers with no path for advancement to upper-level corporate careers. [29] This process is visible across a number of fields, including business, [3] academia, [26] and law. [29] Even in areas where Asian Americans are believed to excel, such as software engineering, there is an overall tendency to see them assigned to low-ranking positions with fewer opportunities for advancement compared to other racial groups.
看看下面这个link, 为什么楼里这么多人deny呢。如果把楼主的观察,其它族裔都会同意,为什么就华人使劲deny呢?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling
The Civil Rights Act of 1964prohibited discrimination on the basis of race. However, covert forms of racism persist in the workforce. TheCensus Bureaureports thatAsian Americanshave the highest education levels of any racial category in the United States. Of Asian Americans, 52.4% are college graduates, while the national average is 29.9%. [13]
According to United States Census Bureau, in 2010 the Asian American population accounts for about 5.6% of the total population in the U.S. but only 0.3% ofcorporate office populations. [14] [15]
In New York City, Asian Americans have the highest number of associates at top New Yorklaw firms, yet the lowest conversion rate to partner . [16]
Even in fields where Asian Americans are highly disproportionally represented, such as theSilicon Valleysoftware industry, they comprise a disproportionately small percentage ofupper managementand board positions. [3] Statistics show that despite 33% of all software engineers in the Silicon Valley being people of Asian descent, they make up only 6% of board members and 10% of corporate officers of the Bay Area's 25 largest companies.
At theNational Institutes of Health, though 21.5% of scientists are Asian, they make up only 4.7% of the lab and branch directors. [17]
According to a study of the 25 largestBay Areacompanies 12 had no board members of Asian descent, and five had no corporate officers of Asian descent. [18]
According to the United States Census 2010, Asian Americans make up 5.6% of the American population, [15] as of 2014, 3% of the district court judges are Asian American. [19] Between 2009 and 2010,President Obamahad nominated eight Asian Americans to a seat on theU.S. District Court, four women and four men. [20] [21] [22] [23] Six of the nominations have been confirmed by the Senate except for the nominations of two of the menEdward Chen and Goodwin Liu; while all the women were confirmed.

fufusix 发表于 12/13/2019 1:57:00 PM
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sweatyarmpit007
美华就别做鸵鸟了,路子窄是客观事实

Among them, 25% were computer engineers, 17% were medical doctors, 14% were dentists, and 30% were scientists in medical fields. There were only 1% of social service workers (Fouad et al., 2008).

美华许多做餐饮美甲之类服务性行业,成为专业人士,80%从事马工医药这类不需要团队工作,可以独立操作,需要证书资格认证,学习周期漫长投资大的行业
ABC成为政治家,社区领袖,金融保险银行家,律师法律人才,CEO 经理,文化艺术行业,体育娱行业,时装fashion, 大型零售,教师社会工作者。。。几乎是零蛋,0, nil, nought, zero
elchalten 发表于 12/13/2019 11:50:24 AM


Social service worker 如果不能嫁或者娶一个收入好的还是不要了吧。一年三四万,下班要开 Uber...
其他族裔年轻人也争相跳出火坑啊。以前当个老师可以过得完全中产,现在呢,我们地区三十多岁的高中老师都快 homeless 了。
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pimpernel


不理解为什么华人使劲deny自己被歧视呢? Bamboo ceiling和 sticky floor这两个词怎么来的。

fufusix 发表于 12/13/2019 2:19:21 PM

肯定被歧视,但是中国的歧视更厉害。所以两害相权取其轻。