【结语+余款update】Facebook事件memorial&protest全程报道帖

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Cumberbitch
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我就举个例子,Although Facebook has kept silent in an unusual way in the past several days and conducted no investigation, multiple social media posts and videos surfaced from insiders have all pointed to the horrible workplace toxicity Qin was impaired prior to this tragedy.

这句话也太长了,没法喘气了。好多这样的句子。我随便改一个。
While Facebook remained silent and conducted no investigation(???do we know that?) over the incident, multiple social media sources pointed to toxic work place culture as a potential cause.
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cutie
502 楼
还是不明白为什么跳楼 他有没有抑郁症呀?
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lunablue
503 楼
是不是也可以把这次protest的信息发到reddit上,之前有人发了Qin的事件,这件事在Reddit上引起很大的回响,现在有一千七百多人点赞。如果我们把protest的时间和地点发过去,可以有更多(主要是IT行业的)人加入这次活动。这样出场的人也会有各个民族的人,大家一起为了toxic work environment站出来。

以下是那个一千七百人点赞的帖子,前面有人发过链接,我再发一次。
https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/d8an41/your_well_being_is_more_important_than_your_job/

如果有正式的活动通知、通稿,应该发到这个版块:
https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/

这个reddit版块集中的都是做cs或者it的人,发过去应该会有一定号召力。如果需要我来发也可以告诉我!
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eauclaire
504 楼
回复 501楼cutie的帖子

能不能置顶?飘蓝?
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BirdMuffin
505 楼
以下是我跟几个mm合写的通稿内容:
“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.” --- Benjamin Franklin

Facebook employee, Qin Chen, died after jumping off the fourth floor of a Facebook building in Menlo Park, CA, in an apparent suicide on September 19, 2019, a beautiul and shiny Thursday. Although Facebook has kept silent in an unusual way in the past several days and conducted no investigation, multiple social media posts and videos surfaced from insiders have all pointed to the horrible workplace toxicity Qin was impaired prior to this tragedy.

Through his friends and colleagues we get to know that Qin was bullied in the workplace, suffered extreme stress. In the end, he fought back in an extreme yet violent way by paying a cost of his life, a young precious life. A young life, a precious one is lost. And the loss of precious life demands answers. However, until this moment, as far as we know, no discussion on this topic is allowed within Facebook. Employees are not allowed to ask why. The company calls all asking for reasons “circulating misinformation or rumor”.

Some of us know Qin personally, most don’t. However, just like our founding father’s famous quote, “Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.” We all are outraged. What happened to Qin? Why did he jump off an office building in a work day, leaving his family and friends all behind? Why is Facebook a company which promotes social interactions silent and cold this time? Truth, but truth, what is the truth if a company truly wants to avoid misinformation and rumor?

The more we ask, the stronger obligation we feel that we have to demand a full investigation from Facebook leadership team and the justice for Qin. No one should suffer from a toxic working environment. No one should die this way, ever again. No wife should be departed from her dear husband this way. No child should lose his/her loving father this way. No one should hold a sign and send flowers to here, a famous technology company who claim to make our daily life better this way. Time to say No. Time to Stop. Time for a giant global company to reflect his mission statement to human beings.

Please join us in the vigil and the “WE DESERVE THE TRUTH” campaign to memorize Qin and support each other in this hard-working community.
Event date and time: Thursday September 26,1:00-2:30 pm
Location: Facebook Like Sign (map)

We have raised sufficient funds from all over North America to support this campaign. Volunteers will prepare flowers and protest signs and distribute at the event. Please arrive at the event on time wearing dark clothing without any company logo.
baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 7:47:07 PM

首先谢谢这几位组织者。
一点小意见,“in an extreme yet violent way” 可以改成 desperate,因为除非他最后来个枪击伤害到别人了,用violent会有点misleading
again,谢谢组织者,一起加油把这个carry下去
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eauclaire
506 楼
回复 501楼cutie的帖子

能不能置顶?飘蓝?
eauclaire 发表于 9/24/2019 8:41:11 PM

帮忙顶一下
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Cumberbitch
507 楼

大家都来思考诉求,我们可以改的

baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 8:34:59 PM

investigation 肯定算一个诉求,specifically,在 Chen 这件事上有没有 work place bullying发生? 至于 FB 自己 culture 是不是 toxic 以后再另说。
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119ppp
508 楼
我就举个例子,Although Facebook has kept silent in an unusual way in the past several days and conducted no investigation, multiple social media posts and videos surfaced from insiders have all pointed to the horrible workplace toxicity Qin was impaired prior to this tragedy.

这句话也太长了,没法喘气了。好多这样的句子。我随便改一个。
While Facebook remained silent and conducted no investigation(???do we know that?) over the incident, multiple social media sources pointed to toxic work place culture as a potential cause.

Cumberbitch 发表于 9/24/2019 8:40:06 PM [/url]


可以换成no official investigation being released???

另外我也觉得飞页主题需要更大更醒目,理想状态是被人拍摄时镜头能捕捉到飞页关键词。我觉得qin chen需要作为关键词被高亮,这是事件独有的词汇,类似安珀警报的“安珀”……或者以水印缩写或者特殊符号的形式表达,这样远看才能看得到。
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Cybercat
509 楼
“We deserve the truth” Who are “we”? Employees in the tech industry? Bay Area community?Asian American? 感觉记者可能会问。

往大了想这次暴露出很大的潜在问题。Facebook is taking over the world and all aspects of our lives, yet showed no regard for it’s own employee’s life in this tragedy. How do we trust it to be a responsible corporate citizen in an age when these big tech companies wield so much money, power, and influence on our society?
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USpeipei
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赞 楼上写的
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Jiaz
511 楼
楼主、Baby和其他热心的mm们,非常欣赏你们的正义感和行动力

我没有参加过类似的活动,也没有经验,提个小小的建议,不知道对不对,姑且听一下:我们的诉求是要求真相,toxic就变的预设了真相,这样做也会让有善意的内部人士无法认同,变得无法帮助。

另外想问问如何参加
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pmmp
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“We deserve the truth” Who are “we”? Employees in the tech industry? Bay Area community?Asian American? 感觉记者可能会问。

往大了想这次暴露出很大的潜在问题。Facebook is taking over the world and all aspects of our lives, yet showed no regard for it’s own employee’s life in this tragedy. How do we trust it to be a responsible corporate citizen in an age when these big tech companies wield so much money, power, and influence on our society?
Cybercat 发表于 9/24/2019 8:46:53 PM

赞意义拔高... ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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zelda
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狂赞组织者!好奇这个帖子怎么没有上首页热帖,这么多回复应该会自动上热贴吧?
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baby.chen
514 楼
多谢楼上各位给建议的,我根据建议再改一下。
时间有限,我们还有非常多的事情要做,不能所有东西尽善尽美,请大家谅解,和继续支持!
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Cumberbitch
515 楼
楼主、Baby和其他热心的mm们,非常欣赏你们的正义感和行动力

我没有参加过类似的活动,也没有经验,提个小小的建议,不知道对不对,姑且听一下:我们的诉求是要求真相,toxic就变的预设了真相,这样做也会让有善意的内部人士无法认同,变得无法帮助。

另外想问问如何参加
Jiaz 发表于 9/24/2019 8:52:48 PM

有点道理

---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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Cybercat
516 楼
多谢楼上各位给建议的,我根据建议再改一下。
时间有限,我们还有非常多的事情要做,不能所有东西尽善尽美,请大家谅解,和继续支持!
baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 8:55:52 PM

你们已经很棒了,很有行动力!指手画脚总是容易。这么短时间我也写不出来这么长的。
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MockingJay
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楼主、Baby和其他热心的mm们,非常欣赏你们的正义感和行动力

我没有参加过类似的活动,也没有经验,提个小小的建议,不知道对不对,姑且听一下:我们的诉求是要求真相,toxic就变的预设了真相,这样做也会让有善意的内部人士无法认同,变得无法帮助。

另外想问问如何参加
Jiaz 发表于 9/24/2019 8:52:48 PM

Toxic是一个看法,没必要先证明自己是诉求是正确的。被警察打死的黑人个个都说是种族歧视呢。得提了口号才能要真相。
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Viviennedd
518 楼
LZ可以标记标题么,让更多人看到
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119ppp
519 楼

你们已经很棒了,很有行动力!指手画脚总是容易。这么短时间我也写不出来这么长的。

Cybercat 发表于 9/24/2019 9:01:09 PM

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wuliao2010
520 楼
谢谢楼主组织 有时候遇到变态的老板加上公司的保护,真的会把人逼上绝路。
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wyest
521 楼
去现场的有群吗?作为社恐患者,想去,但没有参加过这类活动,需要做一下心理准备…
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rebeccaxia
522 楼
回复 494楼baby.chen的帖子

谢谢mm的努力,但是海报第一眼看过去诉求表达不明确。
建议:1.图片可以加上很大的fb的dislike图案,总之要让人一眼明白这个活动是干什么的。现在的海报没有和fb员工因为职场欺凌自杀这件事情联系到一起,看上去就像是一个普通的教堂的memory service
2.图片上的标语可以改成 in memory of QIN CHEN(分一行) Facebook employee dead because of toxic workplace/bullying
3.精减下面大段文字
加油!
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119ppp
523 楼
Toxic是一个看法,没必要先证明自己是诉求是正确的。被警察打死的黑人个个都说是种族歧视呢。得提了口号才能要真相。
MockingJay 发表于 9/24/2019 9:02:56 PM

我有一点不为人道的小私心,就是如何把指控范围控制在之前提到的一任或两任涉事经理,而不波及上层。但这个私心的前提是要能够知道真相,知道到底哪些人负有责任,如果上层也有责任那就白说。所以现在说这个为时过早。
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waterL
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“We deserve the truth” Who are “we”? Employees in the tech industry? Bay Area community?Asian American? 感觉记者可能会问。

往大了想这次暴露出很大的潜在问题。Facebook is taking over the world and all aspects of our lives, yet showed no regard for it’s own employee’s life in this tragedy. How do we trust it to be a responsible corporate citizen in an age when these big tech companies wield so much money, power, and influence on our society?
Cybercat 发表于 9/24/2019 8:46:53 PM [/url]


The general public, anyone who doesn't want tragedies like this to happen again in our society, every Facebook user
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baby.chen
525 楼
对了,愿意帮忙写各种东西的筒子们你们给我私信,后续需要很多social media写手,否则声音不够大。楼上几位有意参加的话私下我
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zhaochenab
526 楼
中国人现在走哪都一样,各种攀比成风,各种自私自利
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BottleNoseD
527 楼
以下是我跟几个mm合写的通稿内容:
“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.” --- Benjamin Franklin

Facebook employee, Qin Chen, died after jumping off the fourth floor of a Facebook building in Menlo Park, CA, in an apparent suicide on September 19, 2019, a beautiul and shiny Thursday. Although Facebook has kept silent in an unusual way in the past several days and conducted no investigation, multiple social media posts and videos surfaced from insiders have all pointed to the horrible workplace toxicity Qin was impaired prior to this tragedy.

Through his friends and colleagues we get to know that Qin was bullied in the workplace, suffered extreme stress. In the end, he fought back in an extreme yet violent way by paying a cost of his life, a young precious life. A young life, a precious one is lost. And the loss of precious life demands answers. However, until this moment, as far as we know, no discussion on this topic is allowed within Facebook. Employees are not allowed to ask why. The company calls all asking for reasons “circulating misinformation or rumor”.

Some of us know Qin personally, most don’t. However, just like our founding father’s famous quote, “Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.” We all are outraged. What happened to Qin? Why did he jump off an office building in a work day, leaving his family and friends all behind? Why is Facebook a company which promotes social interactions silent and cold this time? Truth, but truth, what is the truth if a company truly wants to avoid misinformation and rumor?

The more we ask, the stronger obligation we feel that we have to demand a full investigation from Facebook leadership team and the justice for Qin. No one should suffer from a toxic working environment. No one should die this way, ever again. No wife should be departed from her dear husband this way. No child should lose his/her loving father this way. No one should hold a sign and send flowers to here, a famous technology company who claim to make our daily life better this way. Time to say No. Time to Stop. Time for a giant global company to reflect his mission statement to human beings.

Please join us in the vigil and the “WE DESERVE THE TRUTH” campaign to memorize Qin and support each other in this hard-working community.
Event date and time: Thursday September 26,1:00-2:30 pm
Location: Facebook Like Sign (map)

We have raised sufficient funds from all over North America to support this campaign. Volunteers will prepare flowers and protest signs and distribute at the event. Please arrive at the event on time wearing dark clothing without any company logo.
baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 7:47:07 PM


非常感谢各位的热心和付出。

一点点建议:
1. 语气上, 语言婉转 (soft) 一些也许更好,不要有太多的愤怒 (anger)、谴责(condemnation),如果目的是得到更多人的关注和同情。俗话说 "you catch more bees with honey than vinegar"。

2. 这个 event 的目的是什么? 至少说出来的第一目的应该是悼念死者,应该少写一些 "WE", 多写一些 "Mr. Qin"。 有更多的 Qin Chen 的信息吗?他是一个独子吗?是否确认他留下一个没有收入的妻子和幼女?
3. 在提出对 Facebook 的要求前,讲一讲我们已经为死者家属 (victim's family) 设置了gofundme 账户用于 funeral 和可能出现的 legal costs。

Suggestion of an outline,

1. We will be gathering at xxxxx(place), at xx:xx (time) to pay our respect to our dear friend Mr. Chen Qin, a loving husband, father, and son, who tragically left us last week. We also wish to express our deepest condolences to his parents, wife (name), and daughter (name). We have setup a Gofunme account (https://www.xxxx.com/xxxx/) to help Mr. Qin's family with funeral cost and possible legal expenses, at xx:xx (time) today, the account has reached $xxxx.

2. Mr. Qin was ... (a short bio, show his kindness, brilliance, and promise) and anything about this family;

3. Some of us gathered here today, have had the fortune to know Mr. Qin as a classmate, friend, or colleague. But most of us here have never met Mr. Qin. The loss of Mr. Qin has touched something in alll of us.... We have all experienced or are still suffering under: unreasonable extreme pressures, bullying, and outright discrimination in workplace. The situation is even worse for workers on H1B visa.

4. Facebook has launched campaigns to prevent bully and prevention of suicide, it is also a strong advocate for transparency. We sincerely hope that Facebook can be transparent and thoroughly investigate the causes led to Mr. Qin's tragic death, which will contribute greatly to the prevention of future suicides in the tech industry.
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cocotea1
528 楼
跟大家汇报一下进度:
我们已经成立了三个小组:media组,鲜花标语筹备组和当天的调度安排组。首先感谢志愿者们,尤其是远程协助的几位童鞋,真是雪中送炭。
我们的fund已经超过3k,明天一早截止,明天中午我跟几个mm去wholesale批发花,明天晚上包扎和题词,以及做牌子。
任务重时间紧,但我们会时不时来跟大家update。谢谢各位的参与!
baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 4:21:03 PM

赞!赞!赞!
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Viviennedd
529 楼
把一个没病没灾有很好工作能力的人逼到跳楼,还没有任何公开的表示慰问难过的声明,这还不够toxic么
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rebeccaxia
530 楼
我感觉这件事情关注度是绝对有的,fox news甚至远在英国的sun都有报道。但是他们的报道目前都集中在fb员工在总部跳楼自杀了,用词很谨慎。希望memory protest的时候有人能举着publish the investigation/stop workplace bullying的牌子,让媒体往挖掘内幕的方向写
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deliafxy
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回复 494楼baby.chen的帖子

谢谢mm的努力,但是海报第一眼看过去诉求表达不明确。
建议:1.图片可以加上很大的fb的dislike图案,总之要让人一眼明白这个活动是干什么的。现在的海报没有和fb员工因为职场欺凌自杀这件事情联系到一起,看上去就像是一个普通的教堂的memory service
2.图片上的标语可以改成 in memory of QIN CHEN(分一行) Facebook employee dead because of toxic workplace/bullying
3.精减下面大段文字
加油!
rebeccaxia 发表于 9/24/2019 9:08:21 PM 赞同。一定要把Dislike FB高亮出来,吸引路人眼球
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mallow111
532 楼
这几个建议靠谱,把关键字highlight出来


我感觉这件事情关注度是绝对有的,fox news甚至远在英国的sun都有报道。但是他们的报道目前都集中在fb员工在总部跳楼自杀了,用词很谨慎。希望memory protest的时候有人能举着publish the investigation/stop workplace bullying的牌子,让媒体往挖掘内幕的方向写

rebeccaxia 发表于 9/24/2019 9:23:00 PM
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baileys
533 楼
给Mangogogo,BabyChen ,以及各位志愿者大写的赞!
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sleetysky
534 楼
目的主要还是控诉toxic working environment,受害人家属如果不想公开很多个人信息,还是应该尊重



非常感谢各位的热心和付出。

一点点建议:
1. 语气上, 语言婉转 (soft) 一些也许更好,不要有太多的愤怒 (anger)、谴责(condemnation),如果目的是得到更多人的关注和同情。俗话说 "you catch more bees with honey than vinegar"。

2. 这个 event 的目的是什么? 至少说出来的第一目的应该是悼念死者,应该少写一些 "WE", 多写一些 "Mr. Qin"。 有更多的 Qin Chen 的信息吗?他是一个独子吗?是否确认他留下一个没有收入的妻子和幼女?
3. 在提出对 Facebook 的要求前,讲一讲我们已经为死者家属 (victim's family) 设置了gofundme 账户用于 funeral 和可能出现的 legal costs。

Suggestion of an outline,

1. We will be gathering at xxxxx(place), at xx:xx (time) to pay our respect to our dear friend Mr. Chen Qin, a loving husband, father, and son, who tragically left us last week. We also wish to express our deepest condolences to his parents, wife (name), and daughter (name). We have setup a Gofunme account (https://www.xxxx.com/xxxx/) to help Mr. Qin's family with funeral cost and possible legal expenses, at xx:xx (time) today, the account has reached $xxxx.

2. Mr. Qin was ... (a short bio, show his kindness, brilliance, and promise) and anything about this family;

3. Some of us gathered here today, have had the fortune to know Mr. Qin as a classmate, friend, or colleague. But most of us here have never met Mr. Qin. The loss of Mr. Qin has touched something in alll of us.... We have all experienced or are still suffering under: unreasonable extreme pressures, bullying, and outright discrimination in workplace. The situation is even worse for workers on H1B visa.

4. Facebook has launched campaigns to prevent bully and prevention of suicide, it is also a strong advocate for transparency. We sincerely hope that Facebook can be transparent and thoroughly investigate the causes led to Mr. Qin's tragic death, which will contribute greatly to the prevention of future suicides in the tech industry.

BottleNoseD 发表于 9/24/2019 9:15:37 PM [url=https://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2455894&postid=81449707#81449707][/url]


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笨小囡
535 楼
非常感谢楼主mm和babychen组织这次的活动。还有很多很多热心人的参与。我看到了北美华人的希望,真的。

update:
gofund的捐款已经足够cover本次活动了,lz马上会去主贴更新,我们将很快close fund raise。期间有收到询问为什么捐款,怎么用,那我重复一下,所有款项将用于本次campaign购置鲜花,牌子,以及media相关开支。若有剩余,如得到家属同意,将以全体华人名义用于葬礼鲜花开支。
我们在紧锣密鼓制通稿flyer,很快会贴上来。
再次感谢

baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 7:14:00 PM
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Viviennedd
536 楼
我感觉这件事情关注度是绝对有的,fox news甚至远在英国的sun都有报道。但是他们的报道目前都集中在fb员工在总部跳楼自杀了,用词很谨慎。希望memory protest的时候有人能举着publish the investigation/stop workplace bullying的牌子,让媒体往挖掘内幕的方向写
rebeccaxia 发表于 9/24/2019 9:23:32 PM

靠谱
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letgogogo
537 楼
update:
gofund的捐款已经足够cover本次活动了,lz马上会去主贴更新,我们将很快close fund raise。期间有收到询问为什么捐款,怎么用,那我重复一下,所有款项将用于本次campaign购置鲜花,牌子,以及media相关开支。若有剩余,如得到家属同意,将以全体华人名义用于葬礼鲜花开支。
我们在紧锣密鼓制通稿flyer,很快会贴上来。
再次感谢
baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 7:14:07 PM


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appleqj
538 楼
Toxic是一个看法,没必要先证明自己是诉求是正确的。被警察打死的黑人个个都说是种族歧视呢。得提了口号才能要真相
MockingJay 发表于 9/24/2019 9:02:56 PM

强re,我们有时候太过谨慎,如果只是用一些轻描淡写的词句,怎么能引起别人的注意。既然要呐喊,就要喊大声,小心翼翼想喊又不敢喊或者小声说点不着重点的话,那就失去了做这件事的意义。
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starsucks
539 楼
支持 顶起来 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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Little_R
540 楼
给大家点一个大大的赞!华人姐妹真的太给力了。

我就提醒一下,对Facebook总部那边的环境不是很熟,不是很确定这个like sign的地点。需要注意的是一定是要确保在public的区域,而不是Facebook的entrance或者停车场之类的。
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eauclaire
541 楼
给大家点一个大大的赞!华人姐妹真的太给力了。

我就提醒一下,对Facebook总部那边的环境不是很熟,不是很确定这个like sign的地点。需要注意的是一定是要确保在public的区域,而不是Facebook的entrance或者停车场之类的。
Little_R 发表于 9/24/2019 10:04:31 PM

Like sign 在几号楼附近啊?
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pmmp
542 楼
给大家点一个大大的赞!华人姐妹真的太给力了。

我就提醒一下,对Facebook总部那边的环境不是很熟,不是很确定这个like sign的地点。需要注意的是一定是要确保在public的区域,而不是Facebook的entrance或者停车场之类的。
Little_R 发表于 9/24/2019 10:04:31 PM

---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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tobeornottobe
543 楼

Like sign 在几号楼附近啊?

eauclaire 发表于 9/24/2019 10:07:04 PM

Facebook Thumbs Up SignAddress:

1601 Willow Rd, Menlo Park, CADirections:Along north side of Bayfront Expwy, at Willow Rd entrance to Facebook campus.
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eauclaire
544 楼

Facebook Thumbs Up SignAddress:

1601 Willow Rd, Menlo Park, CADirections:Along north side of Bayfront Expwy, at Willow Rd entrance to Facebook campus.
tobeornottobe 发表于 9/24/2019 10:10:04 PM

多谢
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mj2009
545 楼

强re,我们有时候太过谨慎,如果只是用一些轻描淡写的词句,怎么能引起别人的注意。既然要呐喊,就要喊大声,小心翼翼想喊又不敢喊或者小声说点不着重点的话,那就失去了做这件事的意义。

appleqj 发表于 9/24/2019 9:59:23 PM


能不能写成fb压迫员工

无量雇主
这种才能引起共鸣
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wyest
546 楼
去现场的有群吗?作为社恐患者,想去,但没有参加过这类活动,需要做一下心理准备…
wyest 发表于 9/24/2019 9:05:51 PM [/url]


😭没人理我
到时候不准备任何东西直接去吗?
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waterL
547 楼


😭没人理我
到时候不准备任何东西直接去吗?

wyest 发表于 9/24/2019 10:15:27 PM [/url]


一楼说只需穿黑衣服就行了
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_summerdays
548 楼


😭没人理我
到时候不准备任何东西直接去吗?

wyest 发表于 9/24/2019 10:15:27 PM

check ur message
弹指芳华
549 楼


😭没人理我
到时候不准备任何东西直接去吗?

wyest 发表于 9/24/2019 10:15:27 PM

人到就是最大的帮忙了
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fgwx2014
550 楼

看完觉得湾区房价很低啊,毕业生都是20几万

公用马甲8 发表于 9/23/2019 9:13:49 PM

你这马甲穿的这牢靠
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baby.chen
551 楼
对,为了统一message和节省大家时间,群众只需要人到,暗色衣服,不要带公司logo


人到就是最大的帮忙了

弹指芳华 发表于 9/24/2019 10:23:00 PM
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Mireille
552 楼
牌子在classic(10-18) 位置其实有点tricky 你需要通过一条从building 10停车场通过来的小路access 注意这是唯一access的路 并且那里有fb员工把手(主要是指挥交通让行人通过)
重点是我也不确定那个算不算是公共领域
所以我的建议是做两手准备


给大家点一个大大的赞!华人姐妹真的太给力了。
我就提醒一下,对Facebook总部那边的环境不是很熟,不是很确定这个like sign的地点。需要注意的是一定是要确保在public的区域,而不是Facebook的entrance或者停车场之类的。

Little_R 发表于 9/24/2019 10:04:00 PM
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shiningfree
553 楼
看到帖子太晚,想捐钱已经捐不了了,真是可惜。大赞组织者和所有的热心人!
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Little_R
554 楼
牌子在classic(10-18) 位置其实有点tricky 你需要通过一条从building 10停车场通过来的小路access 注意这是唯一access的路 并且那里有fb员工把手(主要是指挥交通让行人通过)
重点是我也不确定那个算不算是公共领域
所以我的建议是做两手准备

Mireille 发表于 9/24/2019 10:29:54 PM


如果是通过private walkway 才能到的地方,我觉得不算诶。我觉得大家还是要谨慎一些。

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/free-speech-protests-demonstrations
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mj2009
555 楼


如果是通过private walkway 才能到的地方,我觉得不算诶。我觉得大家还是要谨慎一些。

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/free-speech-protests-demonstrations

Little_R 发表于 9/24/2019 10:41:47 PM


明天一早打电话去county问好了
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nv_nv
556 楼
我感觉这件事情关注度是绝对有的,fox news甚至远在英国的sun都有报道。但是他们的报道目前都集中在fb员工在总部跳楼自杀了,用词很谨慎。希望memory protest的时候有人能举着publish the investigation/stop workplace bullying的牌子,让媒体往挖掘内幕的方向写
rebeccaxia 发表于 9/24/2019 9:23:32 PM [/url]


如果我们不继续发声,这件事就会彻底销声匿迹。如果有人继续发声呐喊,媒体就会关注。媒体或许不关心真相也不支持我们,但是媒体总是要追逐热点吸引眼球,这就会促使他们继续报道。等关注的人多到一定程度的时候,自然会有人带头把话题拓展到职场霸凌和公司文化上。

客观地说这个事情其实种族的成分并不大,只是此人本身从小的教育环境和目前身份经济各方面压力促使他产生了轻生的举动。所以不要着眼于种族,就突出workplace bully能吸引更广泛的支持者。诉求就是要求fb彻查给出明确的调查结果,对有关责任人作出相应处理,整个公司重新审视内部文化。也是给类似的公司杀鸡给猴看呗。
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eauclaire
557 楼


如果我们不继续发声,这件事就会彻底销声匿迹。如果有人继续发声呐喊,媒体就会关注。媒体或许不关心真相也不支持我们,但是媒体总是要追逐热点吸引眼球,这就会促使他们继续报道。等关注的人多到一定程度的时候,自然会有人带头把话题拓展到职场霸凌和公司文化上。

客观地说这个事情其实种族的成分并不大,只是此人本身从小的教育环境和目前身份经济各方面压力促使他产生了轻生的举动。所以不要着眼于种族,就突出workplace bully能吸引更广泛的支持者。诉求就是要求fb彻查给出明确的调查结果,对有关责任人作出相应处理,整个公司重新审视内部文化。也是给类似的公司杀鸡给猴看呗。

nv_nv 发表于 9/24/2019 10:52:35 PM

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fgwx2014
558 楼
这件事情跟manager 学历和国籍无关,希望大家focus在事情的真相/ 不公平的环境/ toxic work environment 上。
抹茶红豆包 发表于 9/24/2019 1:49:10 PM

对,这是重点main purpose
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banana001
559 楼
想提醒一下,classic campus不能打车到。uber和lyft都有指定的上下车的点。
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ArrestedDevelopment
560 楼
以下是我跟几个mm合写的通稿内容:
“Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.” --- Benjamin Franklin

Facebook employee, Qin Chen, died after jumping off the fourth floor of a Facebook building in Menlo Park, CA, in an apparent suicide on September 19, 2019, a beautiul and shiny Thursday. Although Facebook has kept silent in an unusual way in the past several days and conducted no investigation, multiple social media posts and videos surfaced from insiders have all pointed to the horrible workplace toxicity Qin was impaired prior to this tragedy.

Through his friends and colleagues we get to know that Qin was bullied in the workplace, suffered extreme stress. In the end, he fought back in an extreme yet violent way by paying a cost of his life, a young precious life. A young life, a precious one is lost. And the loss of precious life demands answers. However, until this moment, as far as we know, no discussion on this topic is allowed within Facebook. Employees are not allowed to ask why. The company calls all asking for reasons “circulating misinformation or rumor”.

Some of us know Qin personally, most don’t. However, just like our founding father’s famous quote, “Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are.” We all are outraged. What happened to Qin? Why did he jump off an office building in a work day, leaving his family and friends all behind? Why is Facebook a company which promotes social interactions silent and cold this time? Truth, but truth, what is the truth if a company truly wants to avoid misinformation and rumor?

The more we ask, the stronger obligation we feel that we have to demand a full investigation from Facebook leadership team and the justice for Qin. No one should suffer from a toxic working environment. No one should die this way, ever again. No wife should be departed from her dear husband this way. No child should lose his/her loving father this way. No one should hold a sign and send flowers to here, a famous technology company who claim to make our daily life better this way. Time to say No. Time to Stop. Time for a giant global company to reflect his mission statement to human beings.

Please join us in the vigil and the “WE DESERVE THE TRUTH” campaign to memorize Qin and support each other in this hard-working community.
Event date and time: Thursday September 26,1:00-2:30 pm
Location: Facebook Like Sign (map)

We have raised sufficient funds from all over North America to support this campaign. Volunteers will prepare flowers and protest signs and distribute at the event. Please arrive at the event on time wearing dark clothing without any company logo.
baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 7:47:07 PM

说几点个人意见。现在太早了。不是point finger的时候。 这个集会是你们第一个集会。fb没有什么官方的态度出来。所有的细节都是传言。不适合把话写的太rightous。这个事情的第一步是表达对死者的惋惜。We gather here today to express our sincere condolences to the deceased. Most of us don’t know him personally, but many of us can relate to the mounting pressure, stress and despair he must have felt when he decided to take his own life. We are immigrants, parents, who came to this country to seek a better life for our family. 这里最好能请家人写一些纪念死者家庭经历的事情。mm们这一篇写的其实非常好,但是太直指中心目的了。感觉舆论上来说doesnt play well with people who didnt follow the story。 最好能首先让人们感同身受这件事情是多么悲剧。然后再看fb如何回应把事情引到justice这个点上面。首先你要relatable然后才能有更多的人的支持。一点个人意见。
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fgwx2014
561 楼

强re,我们有时候太过谨慎,如果只是用一些轻描淡写的词句,怎么能引起别人的注意。既然要呐喊,就要喊大声,小心翼翼想喊又不敢喊或者小声说点不着重点的话,那就失去了做这件事的意义。

appleqj 发表于 9/24/2019 9:59:23 PM

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我是alice
562 楼

Like sign 在几号楼附近啊?

eauclaire 发表于 9/24/2019 10:07:04 PM


like sign在入口
进去是停车场
停车场环绕着楼
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Narnia
563 楼
听说明天fb的员工也会给他办个vigil. 明天是他的头七。会在27楼,时间是12-1pm. 不会和你们冲突。当然他们是内部的可能不希望被采访
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Viviennedd
564 楼
回复 559楼ArrestedDevelopment的帖子

这件事和家属无关,要尊重别人的隐私。

Deepest sympathy/ condolences to his family

To people who are struggling / suffering at work place, please seek legal help/ speak out/ Never give up your life.
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lumpenbourgeoisie
565 楼
给活动的所有组织者和支持者点赞!!!
让我们看到了华人社群的希望!
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anai2017
566 楼
给活动的所有组织者和支持者点赞!!!
让我们看到了华人社群的希望!
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流木
567 楼
湾区的很多人真是除了秀优越感感觉没什么别的事情做。华人来来回回就那么小的圈子,经常是新认识个朋友加了微信,过几天他发朋友圈,你发现你已有的朋友给点了赞。大家也确实都好优秀,各种国内好学校,美国top研究生,博士等,大厂offer。你稍微哪个没有都不好意思说话。可是真的有时候社交太无聊了好不好!新认识的人来来回回那点东西,你本科哪的啊?你美国哪个学校啊?你什么公司啊?你package多少啊?你房子买哪啊?你几套房子啊?你娃学校啊?千篇一律。同一句话,他们变着法的加定语秀出优越感。前几天碰见个大娘,说他过来给儿子看孩子。

“我放弃了二十万年薪的工作来给我斯坦福毕业的儿子看娃。”认识没几分钟的路人。“我最近参加了我们清华校友会。”还有很多人不知道是共情能力差,还是成心找碾压别人的存在感。同学聊天,聊着娃,忽然蹦出来。

“sunnyvale最近on fire啊,要买就这里,升值潜力大。我最近在那又买了套,你们有什近况?。(明知道聚会中有几个连房子都没买)朋友聚会。一个刚跳进去fg的非拉着一个已经40多岁的最近失业的QA,给别人讲怎么刷题。一会又拉着一个普通公司的讨论package,讲他如何纠结各大厂的offer。声音如此洪亮才使得根本不在聊天对象的我听的清清楚楚。有有时候觉得都是些多没有兴趣爱好的人,才能如此无聊。大家fun点真是不同,碾压别人是如此快乐。

秋枫谷 发表于 9/23/2019 8:39:16 PM

有种土鳖翻身的感觉,真是让人很看不上 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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autofill
568 楼
👍LZ和babychen, 遗憾没能赶上捐款。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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anai2017
569 楼
多谢楼上各位给建议的,我根据建议再改一下。
时间有限,我们还有非常多的事情要做,不能所有东西尽善尽美,请大家谅解,和继续支持!
baby.chen 发表于 9/24/2019 8:55:52 PM

给你及所有人点个👍
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baby.chen
570 楼
update 牌子制作现场....

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44ff
571 楼
回复569楼baby.chen的帖子
支持,华人热心妹子真好 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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meitiandouhao
572 楼
手做的牌子这是?
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yukishiro
573 楼
同疑问……没有印刷品么?


手做的牌子这是?

meitiandouhao 发表于 9/25/2019 12:10:00 AM
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Cumberbitch
574 楼
update 牌子制作现场....


baby.chen 发表于 9/25/2019 12:06:22 AM

赞赞赞
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luck2020
575 楼
update 牌子制作现场....


baby.chen 发表于 9/25/2019 12:06:22 AM

zan,
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baby.chen
576 楼
因为每个不一样,size又很大,加上材料的特殊,不容易打印。明天会有几个妹子一起做。


同疑问……没有印刷品么?

yukishiro 发表于 9/25/2019 12:13:00 AM
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luck2020
577 楼
因为每个不一样,size又很大,加上材料的特殊,不容易打印。明天会有几个妹子一起做。

baby.chen 发表于 9/25/2019 12:15:00 AM

辛苦了
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magicxxxxx
578 楼
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leisbb
579 楼
因为每个不一样,size又很大,加上材料的特殊,不容易打印。明天会有几个妹子一起做。

baby.chen 发表于 9/25/2019 12:15:00 AM


大大地赞妹妹!不仅才华横溢,还热心公益。你和所有志愿者都是好样的,行动力一流👍
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meitiandouhao
580 楼
那5000美金都买花?
媒体需要花钱吗?
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boborab
581 楼
赞同这个mm说的,希望写通稿的mm们能看到

说几点个人意见。现在太早了。不是point finger的时候。 这个集会是你们第一个集会。fb没有什么官方的态度出来。所有的细节都是传言。不适合把话写的太rightous。这个事情的第一步是表达对死者的惋惜。We gather here today to express our sincere condolences to the deceased. Most of us don’t k......
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Fishingpost
582 楼
一定要记得多通知主流媒体报道 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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tutuzki
583 楼
如果还需要更多人帮忙麻烦私信我一下志愿者群,才看到捐款已经结束了,非常希望能出一分力
海贝
584 楼
赞~~~
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waterL
585 楼
update 牌子制作现场....


baby.chen 发表于 9/25/2019 12:06:22 AM

辛苦了!要不打印个大横幅?
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mj2009
586 楼


如果我们不继续发声,这件事就会彻底销声匿迹。如果有人继续发声呐喊,媒体就会关注。媒体或许不关心真相也不支持我们,但是媒体总是要追逐热点吸引眼球,这就会促使他们继续报道。等关注的人多到一定程度的时候,自然会有人带头把话题拓展到职场霸凌和公司文化上。

客观地说这个事情其实种族的成分并不大,只是此人本身从小的教育环境和目前身份经济各方面压力促使他产生了轻生的举动。所以不要着眼于种族,就突出workplace bully能吸引更广泛的支持者。诉求就是要求fb彻查给出明确的调查结果,对有关责任人作出相应处理,整个公司重新审视内部文化。也是给类似的公司杀鸡给猴看呗。

nv_nv 发表于 9/24/2019 10:52:35 PM


试试看用

toxic company culture
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fresno
587 楼


如果我们不继续发声,这件事就会彻底销声匿迹。如果有人继续发声呐喊,媒体就会关注。媒体或许不关心真相也不支持我们,但是媒体总是要追逐热点吸引眼球,这就会促使他们继续报道。等关注的人多到一定程度的时候,自然会有人带头把话题拓展到职场霸凌和公司文化上。

客观地说这个事情其实种族的成分并不大,只是此人本身从小的教育环境和目前身份经济各方面压力促使他产生了轻生的举动。所以不要着眼于种族,就突出workplace bully能吸引更广泛的支持者。诉求就是要求fb彻查给出明确的调查结果,对有关责任人作出相应处理,整个公司重新审视内部文化。也是给类似的公司杀鸡给猴看呗。

nv_nv 发表于 9/24/2019 10:52:35 PM


赞,说得很好!
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nougat
588 楼
因为每个不一样,size又很大,加上材料的特殊,不容易打印。明天会有几个妹子一起做。

baby.chen 发表于 9/25/2019 12:15:00 AM

赞!
提醒字体可以再大一点,通常再十字路口展示的话 字体要够大 对面路过的车才看得清楚
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baby.chen
589 楼
嗯,会加黑。
还有志愿者mm已经把gofund的和这里所有的留言都整理出来了,明天晚上会全部写到卡片,丝带上


赞!
提醒字体可以再大一点,通常再十字路口展示的话 字体要够大 对面路过的车才看得清楚

nougat 发表于 9/25/2019 12:53:00 AM
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angelinawl
590 楼
支持!!!
希望就此成立自己的组织,和大律师建立合作关系。大家捐会费。
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agerinan
591 楼
赞组织者
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fairy619
592 楼
嗯,会加黑。
还有志愿者mm已经把gofund的和这里所有的留言都整理出来了,明天晚上会全部写到卡片,丝带上

baby.chen 发表于 9/25/2019 1:00:22 AM [/url]


赞组织者和志愿者
小声说一个想法。6000多买花买牌子之余 能够能弄一个竞选那种直升机标语之类的

一来这不受地理位置限制 不会有工作人员阻拦之类的

二来扩大影响面,就在楼群顶上附近飞。员工全部都能看到。附近湾区人都会讨论。会比在地面作战影响面更广,可以配合地面作战。

感觉资金应该够
我搜了一下Helicopter Advertising Signs湾区有公司的。大概一个小时500左右google问答里面nj一个公司的价格
这边可以quote 但是需要多联系几家公司就怕有的不肯接
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mangogogo
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谢谢你的提议。明天我和其他组织者商量下。主要是现在事情非常多,时间和人员也不够。很多想法不一定能实现。
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tutuzki
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有没有考虑过在eventbrite建一个event让大家来rsvp,这样event也会更容易推广扩散
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fairy619
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谢谢你的提议。明天我和其他组织者商量下。主要是现在事情非常多,时间和人员也不够。很多想法不一定能实现。
mangogogo 发表于 9/25/2019 2:19:41 AM

你们辛苦了,
主要是想媒体能报道 陆地场面和声音。
再加上如果有这个空中飞机标语 可以更多人亲眼看到和讨论
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tidewater
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赞👍
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fairy619
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有没有考虑过在eventbrite建一个event让大家来rsvp,这样event也会更容易推广扩散
tutuzki 发表于 9/25/2019 2:23:48 AM

这个是公开的吗
会不会向太多人透漏活动具体内容反而不好
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tutuzki
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这个是公开的吗
会不会向太多人透漏活动具体内容反而不好

fairy619 发表于 9/25/2019 2:32:52 AM


在论坛上发我理解就是希望更多人参与?
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fairy619
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在论坛上发我理解就是希望更多人参与?

tutuzki 发表于 9/25/2019 2:45:20 AM

嗯。我可能想多了。
我主要是怕发到那些个英文网站上
被Facebook 看到做了应对怕麻烦。敲木头
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qqqqute
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回复 592楼mangogogo的帖子

还是庄严肃穆一些吧,我觉得搞那些噱头不好,反而显得很浮夸,不严肃。