【回应亲属移民以及白宫签字,好心mm的建议汇总】 唇亡齿寒,反对Bill HR 1044/S386的模版

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SnowBall2019
楼主 (北美华人网)
大家好,我们借用这个账号,想转发一下来自一亩三分地“老油条”id 的帖子,希望版主能够高亮一下。Bill HR 1044 一旦参议院,众议院全部通过,那么对于我们中国留学生,靠自己辛苦努力好不容易得到的H1B 人群,EB2/EB3, 甚至EB1 都会有巨大的打击。EB2/EB3 排期很可能最少会到退6-8年,甚至10年。当绿卡名额有限时候,甚至有可能会波及到EB1 杰出人才人群。

我们希望大家能够在这个危难的时候,团结起来,一起为华人出一点力。

鉴于大家可能看不到一亩三分地的帖子,我们完全复制粘贴“老油条” 的帖子,并且附上链接,在此,感谢“老油条,” 也希望有一亩三分地的id们能回去通报,帮忙顶一下“老油条”的帖子:

原帖链接:
https://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/thread-536175-3-1.html


标题:[其他] 我的反HR1044/S386议员信模板

正文:

适用范围:民主党议员。共和党议员也能用,但是这封信主要强调diversity,共和党议员的话你可以再多强调一点American First。意识形态原因,这封信里没有说American First。
本模板优点:简单粗暴,只要改名字(红色部分),其他部分都可以ctrl+v,无须修改。

信件内容主要来自“手把手教你写”那个帖子里的一个fact pdf,还有网上找的其他模板(有的来自地里,感谢),pdf发在附件了。如果你写信可以加附件,请记得加上这个pdf。
信件前半部分讲为什么现在这个bill很有害,后半部分讲如果你想帮助印度backlog还有其他更好方法(比如增加配额到15%等),这部分主要是为了体现我们不是自私自利,如果不喜欢可以删除这部分。
如果你有空,可以加点自己的故事什么的。

鼓励广泛传播,一起来反对这个法案。喜欢请加米。

7/11/2019 更新

1) 回应本帖里对于亲属移民的concern

回复援引新未名律师事务所律师的回复, 完整版在这个链接:
《有数字有真相,为你解读最近职业移民绿卡配额改变的法案》

比如说,对于亲属移民来说,把每个国家的名额从总名额的7%提高到15%,是不是好事呢?你不能只看一个数字,那是猴子的水平。实际情况是,目前中国亲属移民的排期和世界其他国家是一样的,等待的时间并没有差别,所以名额增加并不能带来好处,等待时间较长是因为全世界的申请人多,大家都在等。那么,哪些国家比世界其余地方的亲属移民等待时间更长呢?是墨西哥和菲律宾。因为他们在美国的人数多,在本国等待的亲属(尤其是兄弟姐妹)更多。在亲属移民年度总配额不变的情况下,提高国别配额,墨西哥和菲律宾申请人可以多拿很多名额,留给世界其他国家,包括中国的,也就更少了,等待时间当然也就更长了。顺便说一下,美国公民的直系亲属,包括配偶,父母,和未成年子女,办理绿卡不受配额限制,不用等待排期。“

2) 白宫签名链接,因为这个帖子里不少mm 提及,一并感谢

2. 填入姓名和邮箱
3. Submit


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-not-pass-bills-s386-or-hr1044-do-not-pass-bills-s386-or-hr1044-us-worker-and-racial-diversity
3) 一亩三分地版主自己写的帖子(谢谢好心mm 帮忙转载)

灭顶之灾要来了!HR1044通过后中国留学生办绿卡将有六年寸草不生

更新:感谢各位好心的mm 踊跃提供意见!!!

48 楼 seeking668
“其实个人觉得这种copy/paste的群发效果很差,人都会看出是机器人发的,直接送垃圾桶了
还不如每个人自己写两句反对就行了,各不相同最重要。议员根本不用和他们讲道理,这些道理大家都清楚,重要的是人数(民选议员看的就是人数),而同一个copy恰恰把人数抹掉了,写得再精彩也没用”

67-68 楼 caffeine

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/01/gop-senators-push-green-card-rewards-for-indian-visa-workers-who-take-college-jobs-in-u-s/
这里的分析很不错。楼主可以参照。
和gop讲的时候可以说的很明白,就是这个bill让美国中产失业。
另外去twitter给djt, dt jr.,尤其是junior,他看twitter的。
另外tweet给mitch mcconnell,也是从让美国中产失业的角度说。senate是republican多数,mitch不让过的话就没啥希望。“

74 楼tannya
“我觉得第一段是不是不要提烙印排期十几年比较好,不然万一引发对老印的同情心怎么办。直接说h1b abuse这件事,我们抽签的时候已经是受害人了,现在不能二次伤害了。我准备这样开头:my name is xxx and I was one of the 85000 fortunate beneficiaries who won their H1b lottery in year 20xx when H1b was heavily abused. 然后用楼主的论据说为什么不能再纵容h1b abuse了”

224 楼 mia8 mm 自己的模版

“刚才发给州参议员了,本州另一个议员没有sponsor bill就没有发。是在议员自己网站上的联系他们的地方填写的。

Do not pass Bills S.386 or H.R.1044 for U.S. worker and racial diversity.

As a xxxx resident in xxxx, I saw this bill has been passed in House and Mr. xxxx is a cosponsor of this Bill. I strongly ask Mr. xxxx not to sponsor this Bill, because: 1. This Bill is against diversity and is not merit-based either; 2. H1B visa abusing has been severe for many years, this Bill will release all the control on the impact on immigration from H1B abusing; 3. If this Bill passed, cheap labors from only one big country will dominate, it is like outsourcing millions of jobs (especially tech jobs) abroad to that country. As long as H1B visa abusing is not resolved, passing this bill is almost equal to stopping well educated people (from US and other countries except that ONE country) getting more chances in the tech industry.”

以下是一亩三分地“老油条”id 的模版


Dear Representative (Senator) XX, (注意这里的xx 是二楼议员的名字,名单请看我的二楼名单,我已经发了快50封了)

Legislative Bill HR 1044/S386, “Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019” is one of the most controversial, yet potentially damaging legislation in Congress. This legislation favors only one country, encourages H1b abuses, and allows it to completely co-opt the entire Employment Based Green Card program.

A “YES VOTE” or co-sponsoring HR1044/S386, “Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019”, would effectively wipe out ethnic diversity in the skilled legal immigration system and be detrimental to the vital interests of the USA.

While sympathizing the long backlog that immigrants origin in India are currently suffering, I believe HR1044 will only make the situation worse because:

1. It does not increase the quota of legal immigration, but only redistribute it among Indian immigrants and immigrants from the rest of the world. Currently, there are 466K Indian nationals in the backlog (per CRS Dec 2018 report in EB/2), so it will take about 12 years for these applicants to receive their GC. As a result, every new applicant from the rest of the world will be thrown into an overnight 12-year wait.

2. HR1044/S386 encourages H1b abuse, which is disastrous for nearly everyone except for multinational tech giants and outsourcing companies, who are utilizing the H1b as well as the EB2/3 programs to exploit cheap labor from other countries. Due to the institutional support from outsourcing companies, it has been much easier for the outsourced personnel to enter the EB2/3 queue compared to people who come to study and file green card application after they have landed a job in the US. As this bill does not have any clauses to restrain H1b abuse effectively, passing it will encourage more H1b abuse, which benefits the tech giants but worsens the situation of local workers. It also kills the dream of most foreign nationals (including Indians) seeking to immigrate to the US via fair market competition rather than through outsourcing companies. With this bill passed, it will become even harder and almost impossible to survive a chance if they have to compete individually against the outsourcing companies.

3. HR1044/S386 will effectively wipe out ethnic and skill/industry diversity from other countries for more than 12 years as only Indian nationals will receive EB GCs in a first-come, first-serve waiting line.

Indian nationals constitute about 17% of the world’s population & about 17% of the international students; but at the same time, they receive about 75% of H1B visas AND 55-60% of PERM Labor Filings. Effectively, Indian nationals DOMINATE the H1B & PERM Labor Certification process, essentially crowding out foreign nationals from 190+ other countries! The 7% country caps is the only measure curtailing the absolute monopolization of the EB Green Cards by India.

If HR1044/S386 is passed, the Employment-Based immigration program will become an Indian-First, Indian-Only program, which eliminates any possibility of an ethnically & culturally diverse immigration community.

4. HR1044/S386 has a profound negative impact on universities in the US. Partly contributed by H1b abuse, many Indians in the US work in the IT sector and have only a Bachelor’s degree from universities in India. HR1044/ S386 will effectively prioritize applicants with foreign undergraduate degrees over US PhDs & Master’s degrees. This will cause more talents, including those from India, to avoid studying in the US since it does not pay off. Furthermore, because the majority of MDs and RNs are NOT from India, this bill will lead to sudden and critical shortages in underserved areas.

On the other hand, I think there are much better ways to solve the backlog program without the catastrophic side effects as listed above.

For example, the current bill puts an 85% cap on each country, which may cause one country to monopoly the system. However, if we set this ratio to a more modest number, e.g. 15%, it is still higher than the current quota, thus processing the backlog faster, but will not come at the cost of all other nationals and will not encourage H1b abuse and outsourcing in the way that the current bill does.

Furthermore, I firmly believe that the bill will serve its purpose ONLY AFTER ending the H1b abuse. Any laws and/or regulations on immigration/visa quota is likely to be abused by outsourcing companies if we pass them without ending the abuse. If we increase the quota, they are likely to exploit more cheap labor. If we redistribute the quota, they are privileged in helping more cheap labor in the tech industry to get into the queue that originally is designed for all employers and immigrants. We have to identify and stop the abuse before anything else, while HR1044/S386 just ignores this critical issue.

Finally, I agree that we should address the backlog problem that Indian immigrants face, yet a special deal to help them who are already in the queue is better than an institutionalized pathway benefiting only tech giants and outsourcing companies at the cost of everyone else in the long run. An amnesty bill could help clear the backlog, but we should not encourage more outsourcing and H1b abuse just to give green card to the people who are already in the queue.

Above are my arguments against the HR1044/S386 bill. I urge you to vote "NO" to the bill until it addresses all the above issues. Our immigration system should not be abused and we should act to protect the diversity of our immigration community.

Thank you and looking forward to your reply!

Yours sincerely,
XX

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Hackerempire
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我是支持这个法案的
我是alice
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昨天就发了反对的信
这个已经变成新的代号:S386了
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newlife2014
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up
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SnowBall2019
6 楼
谁知道怎么联系版主吗? 那个是版主啊
我是alice
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我是支持这个法案的
Hackerempire 发表于 7/10/2019 6:31:14 PM

看了你别的帖子
有人回复说

这是丝袜坑王的新马甲
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abcsong111
8 楼
顶下!!!老印太可怕了……
大妈心善
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回复 3楼Hackerempire的帖子

骇客帝国是丝袜坑王老大爷
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newlife2014
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lz 请把email 模版clean一下。去掉第四行的 ". 1point3acres"
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SnowBall2019
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lz 请把email 模版clean一下。去掉第四行的 ". 1point3acres"
newlife2014 发表于 7/10/2019 6:39:11 PM

好的!!
小海星
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同意,反对的声音还是要表达出来,不能以为发信没用就什么都不做。也可以发给别的国家在等绿卡的。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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newlife2014
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好的!!
SnowBall2019 发表于 7/10/2019 6:40:57 PM


抬头里面 XX 就是 email里面的那个full name 对吧。
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SnowBall2019
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抬头里面 XX 就是 email里面的那个full name 对吧。

newlife2014 发表于 7/10/2019 6:45:07 PM

对的!!
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yulingxi
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顶.....................
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newlife2014
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对的!!
SnowBall2019 发表于 7/10/2019 6:47:01 PM

谢谢。可以第一个帖子里面提一下,怎么加名字。
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ljtyw
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顶一下 抵制烙印。
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SnowBall2019
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谢谢。可以第一个帖子里面提一下,怎么加名字。

newlife2014 发表于 7/10/2019 6:49:35 PM

已经提了,我们现在在找人联系一下其他的媒体,看看能不能报道一下这事。
我想我是疯了
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请问,大家建议给参议员发信,是只发给本州的,还是全面出击?
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ljtyw
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每人发一个议员还是尽量给更多的议员发信?
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SnowBall2019
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每人发一个议员还是尽量给更多的议员发信?
ljtyw 发表于 7/10/2019 6:54:23 PM

我是按照帖子的链接 一个个发的,已经发到50多封了
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janethy
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顶一下,民主需要人人参与!
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thinredline
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up. 今天晚上来发。
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Cumberbitch
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同意同意

大家多转发吧 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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Cumberbitch
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昨天就发了反对的信
这个已经变成新的代号:S384了
我是alice 发表于 7/10/2019 6:32:20 PM

高亮一下。 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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yyang01
26 楼
回复19楼我想我是疯了的帖子
Bcc 给所有议员
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hai2018
27 楼
每人发一个议员还是尽量给更多的议员发信?
ljtyw 发表于 7/10/2019 6:54:23 PM

bcc发给所有的可以省的一个一个发了 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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pkq
28 楼
必须反对这个提案! !
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Yanguilaishi
29 楼
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yulingxi
30 楼
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大海的方向
31 楼
顶一下
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Cumberbitch
32 楼
我觉得群发就行了
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Hackerempire
33 楼
为什么要反对这个方案呢 我是支持的
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Yanguilaishi
34 楼
积极顶。另外,请楼主把模板里HR1044换成S386. 因为1044已经通过了
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Xiaoxiaohai
35 楼
顶一下!
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SnowBall2019
36 楼
积极顶。另外,请楼主把模板里HR1044换成S386. 因为1044已经通过了
Yanguilaishi 发表于 7/10/2019 7:31:38 PM

已经改好了,我加了一个/s386 原作者也是这样写的,后面都加了
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SnowBall2019
37 楼
谢谢版主,谢谢pwwp 的支持!!
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novavista
38 楼
这贴不能沉,要让更多的人看到
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swangnyc
39 楼
手动帮顶,公司里好多人都发信了。
小崽崽
40 楼
顶顶顶
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novavista
41 楼
我也发了10封信
小崽崽
42 楼
有没有人分析下,从以往经验来看,参议院和总统拦下的几率大吗
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hehemie2
43 楼
顶一下,有没有绿卡的都应该反对,三哥三姐泛滥对华裔实在是不利啊!
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novavista
44 楼
唉 看了一下推特 全是印度人在支持法案通过 估计senator这边也要通过了
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elenaleela
45 楼
顶一下,有没有绿卡的都应该反对,三哥三姐泛滥对华裔实在是不利啊!
hehemie2 发表于 7/10/2019 8:16:38 PM

我不觉得这个法案会让印度移民过多,按国别限制本来就是不好的
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elenaleela
46 楼
有没有人分析下,从以往经验来看,参议院和总统拦下的几率大吗
小崽崽 发表于 7/10/2019 8:16:06 PM

这种对美国人完全没影响的法案,一般来说大家互相卖个人情,所以可能性几乎是0
小崽崽
47 楼

我不觉得这个法案会让印度移民过多,按国别限制本来就是不好的

elenaleela 发表于 7/10/2019 8:27:50 PM

你能解释下钱,为什么这个法案不会让印度人更多?
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elenaleela
48 楼

你能解释下钱,为什么这个法案不会让印度人更多?

小崽崽 发表于 7/10/2019 8:30:04 PM

我觉得每个国家的人在equal footing上移民比较公平,所以,哪个国家移民没有per se更多
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elenaleela
49 楼
唉 看了一下推特 全是印度人在支持法案通过 估计senator这边也要通过了
novavista 发表于 7/10/2019 8:22:39 PM

很多其他国家移民以前几乎没排期,人家也没着急,华裔总是在这种无关紧要的bill上出头鸟,也挺无语的
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Seeking668
50 楼
其实个人觉得这种copy/paste的群发效果很差,人都会看出是机器人发的,直接送垃圾桶了
还不如每个人自己写两句反对就行了,各不相同最重要。议员根本不用和他们讲道理,这些道理大家都清楚,重要的是人数(民选议员看的就是人数),而同一个copy恰恰把人数抹掉了,写得再精彩也没用
大妈心善
51 楼
回复 40楼小崽崽的帖子

如果参议院通过总统很难否决了。众议院82%支持,大于2/3
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swangnyc
52 楼
其实个人觉得这种copy/paste的群发效果很差,人都会看出是机器人发的,直接送垃圾桶了
还不如每个人自己写两句反对就行了,各不相同最重要。议员根本不用和他们讲道理,这些道理大家都清楚,重要的是人数(民选议员看的就是人数),而同一个copy恰恰把人数抹掉了,写得再精彩也没用
Seeking668 发表于 7/10/2019 8:34:39 PM


有道理 我把模版改了一下,自己写了几句
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sundaysunday
53 楼
是不是也应该发到主流媒体,让他们知道如果绿卡取消国别,就像H1B一样大部分名额全是印度的,这对别的国家是不公平的。主流媒体讨论这个问题会让更多的人了解真相。
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elenaleela
54 楼
是不是也应该发到主流媒体,让他们知道如果绿卡取消国别,就像H1B一样大部分名额全是印度的,这对别的国家是不公平的。主流媒体讨论这个问题会让更多的人了解真相。
sundaysunday 发表于 7/10/2019 8:52:42 PM

你觉得美国人在乎中国人还是印度人移民吗?而且说真的,人家更喜欢印度人
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foresthills
55 楼
Twitter上有个叫Neil Munro的媒体人也在反对这个。
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SnowBall2019
56 楼

你觉得美国人在乎中国人还是印度人移民吗?而且说真的,人家更喜欢印度人

elenaleela 发表于 7/10/2019 8:54:45 PM

所以我们才要团结起来,让更多人听到我们的声音啊,不是吗?mm 我实话告诉你,这次我们写信的很多人(包括我自己)都有绿卡,只所以要团结,不是因为马上威胁到我们现在的利益,是因为这个hr 1044 法案主要针对的是eb2 (h1b 的申请人),印度人多么滥用icc abuse h1b,大家都有目共睹的。如果这个法案通过了,it 行业甚至更多行业就会被印度人占领,职场上针对中国人不公平的现象越演越烈,对于我们的后代生存条件更加恶劣,不是吗?
现在不反抗,多年以后就更加被动了。
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elenaleela
57 楼

所以我们才要团结起来,让更多人听到我们的声音啊,不是吗?mm 我实话告诉你,这次我们写信的很多人(包括我自己)都有绿卡,只所以要团结,不是因为马上威胁到我们现在的利益,是因为这个hr 1044 法案主要针对的是eb2 (h1b 的申请人),印度人多么滥用icc abuse h1b,大家都有目共睹的。如果这个法案通过了,it 行业甚至更多行业就会被印度人占领,职场上针对中国人不公平的现象越演越烈,对于我们的后代生存条件更加恶劣,不是吗?
现在不反抗,多年以后就更加被动了。

SnowBall2019 发表于 7/10/2019 9:01:21 PM

我觉得还是屁股决定脑袋,我周围有绿卡的或者公民没人讨论这个,我估计他们都不知道这bill,感觉离我们好远
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SnowBall2019
58 楼

我觉得还是屁股决定脑袋,我周围有绿卡的或者公民没人讨论这个,我估计他们都不知道这bill,感觉离我们好远

elenaleela 发表于 7/10/2019 9:07:31 PM


哎,所以啊, 这就是我们的弱点啊,事不关己的时候自扫门前雪, 等到真的火烧到自家门口了,又有什么办法呢?
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woshixiaozhu
59 楼
回复 1楼SnowBall2019的帖子

顶起
回复楼上的,其他国家的移民大概都没有关注这个bill 所以没有反对
我觉得还是应该尽量联系主流媒体,一旦ROW开始反对,通过的可能性就小很多了
烙印就是趁着这种信息不对称偷偷摸摸的通过

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GoldenKiwi
60 楼
Mail merge 一次都发了 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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hushaoshao
61 楼

所以我们才要团结起来,让更多人听到我们的声音啊,不是吗?mm 我实话告诉你,这次我们写信的很多人(包括我自己)都有绿卡,只所以要团结,不是因为马上威胁到我们现在的利益,是因为这个hr 1044 法案主要针对的是eb2 (h1b 的申请人),印度人多么滥用icc abuse h1b,大家都有目共睹的。如果这个法案通过了,it 行业甚至更多行业就会被印度人占领,职场上针对中国人不公平的现象越演越烈,对于我们的后代生存条件更加恶劣,不是吗?
现在不反抗,多年以后就更加被动了。

SnowBall2019 发表于 7/10/2019 9:01:21 PM


楼主,赞你!
小崽崽
62 楼
回复 1楼SnowBall2019的帖子

顶起
回复楼上的,其他国家的移民大概都没有关注这个bill 所以没有反对
我觉得还是应该尽量联系主流媒体,一旦ROW开始反对,通过的可能性就小很多了
烙印就是趁着这种信息不对称偷偷摸摸的通过

☆ 发自 iPhone 华人一网 1.14.04
woshixiaozhu 发表于 7/10/2019 9:12:43 PM

弱问,ROW是什么
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lela900
63 楼
不仅仅是关乎绿卡的问题,想想2,3年后,公司里全部被印度人占领。下一代上学不仅AA了还要跟那么多印度娃竞争。。想想多恐怖吧
还嫌天花板不够高吗,长远看华人太吃亏了。。一旦绿卡排期和印度人中和,留下来的人越来越少,不见得现在入籍和绿卡的国人会过的多舒服吧。。。
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elenaleela
64 楼
不仅仅是关乎绿卡的问题,想想2,3年后,公司里全部被印度人占领。下一代上学不仅AA了还要跟那么多印度娃竞争。。想想多恐怖吧
还嫌天花板不够高吗,长远看华人太吃亏了。。一旦绿卡排期和印度人中和,留下来的人越来越少,不见得现在入籍和绿卡的国人会过的多舒服吧。。。
lela900 发表于 7/10/2019 9:28:26 PM


你这种思路也挺可怕的,你觉得印度人抢你东西了,美国人还觉得你跑来抢人家东西了,都是外来的,你这么argue很让人反感。
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sunny988
65 楼

我觉得还是屁股决定脑袋,我周围有绿卡的或者公民没人讨论这个,我估计他们都不知道这bill,感觉离我们好远

elenaleela 发表于 7/10/2019 9:07:31 PM

是的,本来在美国人眼里H1B就不该有那么多,他们认为资本家是雇佣外国低价劳工抢美国人的饭碗。
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oldyouth
66 楼
踢一脚,真的这样关系华人利益的帖子还不如隔壁家长里短的人关注的多,真是.....大概也是坛里大部分都已经上岸有身份都不care了 ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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elenaleela
67 楼
不仅仅是关乎绿卡的问题,想想2,3年后,公司里全部被印度人占领。下一代上学不仅AA了还要跟那么多印度娃竞争。。想想多恐怖吧
还嫌天花板不够高吗,长远看华人太吃亏了。。一旦绿卡排期和印度人中和,留下来的人越来越少,不见得现在入籍和绿卡的国人会过的多舒服吧。。。
lela900 发表于 7/10/2019 9:28:26 PM

讲真,按你的思路,有绿卡的或者公民国人应该想办法不让你留下来才对,你和你孩子才是国人直接竞争对手
大海的方向
68 楼
就是华左整天怕别人吃亏,可惜别人只顾自己族裔吃饱都没一秒钟时间过来感谢华左替他们操心。
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Caffeine
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/01/gop-senators-push-green-card-rewards-for-indian-visa-workers-who-take-college-jobs-in-u-s/
这里的分析很不错。楼主可以参照。
和gop讲的时候可以说的很明白,就是这个bill让美国中产失业。
另外去twitter给djt, dt jr.,尤其是junior,他看twitter的。
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Caffeine
70 楼
另外tweet给mitch mcconnell,也是从让美国中产失业的角度说。senate是republican多数,mitch不让过的话就没啥希望。
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hai2018
71 楼

弱问,ROW是什么

小崽崽 发表于 7/10/2019 9:28:26 PM

Rest of the World
应该是不用排期的那些国家和地区吧, 我理解
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hai2018
72 楼
发啦。收到了一些自动回复,好几个议员已经不在那里了。
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q2w3e4r5
73 楼
帮顶!!! ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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paradoxlove
74 楼
ding....
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sherrycheryl
75 楼
Ding!!n
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tannya
76 楼
我觉得第一段是不是不要提烙印排期十几年比较好,不然万一引发对老印的同情心怎么办。直接说h1b abuse这件事,我们抽签的时候已经是受害人了,现在不能二次伤害了。我准备这样开头:my name is xxx and I was one of the 85000 fortunate beneficiaries who won their H1b lottery in year 20xx when H1b was heavily abused. 然后用楼主的论据说为什么不能再纵容h1b abuse了
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SnowBall2019
77 楼
我觉得第一段是不是不要提烙印排期十几年比较好,不然万一引发对老印的同情心怎么办。直接说h1b abuse这件事,我们抽签的时候已经是受害人了,现在不能二次伤害了。我准备这样开头:my name is xxx and I was one of the 85000 fortunate beneficiaries who won their H1b lottery in year 20xx when H1b was heavily abused. 然后用楼主的论据说为什么不能再纵容h1b abuse了
tannya 发表于 7/10/2019 10:44:55 PM

谢谢mm 我等下在主楼更新下
小崽崽
78 楼
顶!
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SnowBall2019
79 楼
已经更新了几个好心mm 的意见,也让我朋友把mm 们的意见在一亩三分地那个帖子反馈了,谢谢大家!!
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akira01
80 楼
帮顶!现在去发邮件去!
星月花草
81 楼
回复 1楼SnowBall2019的帖子

谢谢热心的楼主
白白和胖胖
82 楼
已发邮件 大家积极顶上去
湫湫
83 楼
回复 74楼tannya的帖子

对,这样比较容易争取理解
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littleid
84 楼
同意楼上的,不要说烙印怎样怎样,就是H1B被abused 得厉害,如何这个通过了,会影响更多的中产工作。从这个角度能让参议院relate.
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muzzyhy
85 楼
顶顶顶!!谢谢
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bogey
86 楼
大家好,我们借用这个账号,想转发一下来自一亩三分地“老油条”id 的帖子,希望版主能够高亮一下。Bill HR 1044 一旦参议院,众议院全部通过,那么对于我们中国留学生,靠自己辛苦努力好不容易得到的H1B 人群,EB2/EB3, 甚至EB1 都会有巨大的打击。EB2/EB3 排期很可能最少会到退6-8年,甚至10年。当绿卡名额有限时候,甚至有可能会波及到EB1 杰出人才人群。

我们希望大家能够在这个危难的时候,团结起来,一起为华人出一点力。

鉴于大家可能看不到一亩三分地的帖子,我们完全复制粘贴“老油条” 的帖子,并且附上链接,在此,感谢“老油条,” 也希望有一亩三分地的id们能回去通报,帮忙顶一下“老油条”的帖子:

原帖链接:
https://www.1point3acres.com/bbs/thread-536175-3-1.html


标题:[其他] 我的反HR1044/S386议员信模板

正文:

适用范围:民主党议员。共和党议员也能用,但是这封信主要强调diversity,共和党议员的话你可以再多强调一点American First。意识形态原因,这封信里没有说American First。
本模板优点:简单粗暴,只要改名字(红色部分),其他部分都可以ctrl+v,无须修改。

信件内容主要来自“手把手教你写”那个帖子里的一个fact pdf,还有网上找的其他模板(有的来自地里,感谢),pdf发在附件了。如果你写信可以加附件,请记得加上这个pdf。
信件前半部分讲为什么现在这个bill很有害,后半部分讲如果你想帮助印度backlog还有其他更好方法(比如增加配额到15%等),这部分主要是为了体现我们不是自私自利,如果不喜欢可以删除这部分。
如果你有空,可以加点自己的故事什么的。

鼓励广泛传播,一起来反对这个法案。喜欢请加米。
更新:感谢各位好心的mm 踊跃提供意见!!!

48 楼 seeking668
“其实个人觉得这种copy/paste的群发效果很差,人都会看出是机器人发的,直接送垃圾桶了
还不如每个人自己写两句反对就行了,各不相同最重要。议员根本不用和他们讲道理,这些道理大家都清楚,重要的是人数(民选议员看的就是人数),而同一个copy恰恰把人数抹掉了,写得再精彩也没用”

67-68 楼 caffeine

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/01/gop-senators-push-green-card-rewards-for-indian-visa-workers-who-take-college-jobs-in-u-s/
这里的分析很不错。楼主可以参照。
和gop讲的时候可以说的很明白,就是这个bill让美国中产失业。
另外去twitter给djt, dt jr.,尤其是junior,他看twitter的。
另外tweet给mitch mcconnell,也是从让美国中产失业的角度说。senate是republican多数,mitch不让过的话就没啥希望。“

74 楼tannya
“我觉得第一段是不是不要提烙印排期十几年比较好,不然万一引发对老印的同情心怎么办。直接说h1b abuse这件事,我们抽签的时候已经是受害人了,现在不能二次伤害了。我准备这样开头:my name is xxx and I was one of the 85000 fortunate beneficiaries who won their H1b lottery in year 20xx when H1b was heavily abused. 然后用楼主的论据说为什么不能再纵容h1b abuse了”


Dear Representative (Senator) XX, (注意这里的xx 是二楼议员的名字,名单请看我的二楼名单,我已经发了快50封了)

Legislative Bill HR 1044/S386, “Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019” is one of the most controversial, yet potentially damaging legislation in Congress. This legislation favors only one country, encourages H1b abuses, and allows it to completely co-opt the entire Employment Based Green Card program.

A “YES VOTE” or co-sponsoring HR1044/S386, “Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019”, would effectively wipe out ethnic diversity in the skilled legal immigration system and be detrimental to the vital interests of the USA.

While sympathizing the long backlog that immigrants origin in India are currently suffering, I believe HR1044 will only make the situation worse because:

1. It does not increase the quota of legal immigration, but only redistribute it among Indian immigrants and immigrants from the rest of the world. Currently, there are 466K Indian nationals in the backlog (per CRS Dec 2018 report in EB/2), so it will take about 12 years for these applicants to receive their GC. As a result, every new applicant from the rest of the world will be thrown into an overnight 12-year wait.

2. HR1044/S386 encourages H1b abuse, which is disastrous for nearly everyone except for multinational tech giants and outsourcing companies, who are utilizing the H1b as well as the EB2/3 programs to exploit cheap labor from other countries. Due to the institutional support from outsourcing companies, it has been much easier for the outsourced personnel to enter the EB2/3 queue compared to people who come to study and file green card application after they have landed a job in the US. As this bill does not have any clauses to restrain H1b abuse effectively, passing it will encourage more H1b abuse, which benefits the tech giants but worsens the situation of local workers. It also kills the dream of most foreign nationals (including Indians) seeking to immigrate to the US via fair market competition rather than through outsourcing companies. With this bill passed, it will become even harder and almost impossible to survive a chance if they have to compete individually against the outsourcing companies.

3. HR1044/S386 will effectively wipe out ethnic and skill/industry diversity from other countries for more than 12 years as only Indian nationals will receive EB GCs in a first-come, first-serve waiting line.

Indian nationals constitute about 17% of the world’s population & about 17% of the international students; but at the same time, they receive about 75% of H1B visas AND 55-60% of PERM Labor Filings. Effectively, Indian nationals DOMINATE the H1B & PERM Labor Certification process, essentially crowding out foreign nationals from 190+ other countries! The 7% country caps is the only measure curtailing the absolute monopolization of the EB Green Cards by India.

If HR1044/S386 is passed, the Employment-Based immigration program will become an Indian-First, Indian-Only program, which eliminates any possibility of an ethnically & culturally diverse immigration community.

4. HR1044/S386 has a profound negative impact on universities in the US. Partly contributed by H1b abuse, many Indians in the US work in the IT sector and have only a Bachelor’s degree from universities in India. HR1044/ S386 will effectively prioritize applicants with foreign undergraduate degrees over US PhDs & Master’s degrees. This will cause more talents, including those from India, to avoid studying in the US since it does not pay off. Furthermore, because the majority of MDs and RNs are NOT from India, this bill will lead to sudden and critical shortages in underserved areas.

On the other hand, I think there are much better ways to solve the backlog program without the catastrophic side effects as listed above.

For example, the current bill puts an 85% cap on each country, which may cause one country to monopoly the system. However, if we set this ratio to a more modest number, e.g. 15%, it is still higher than the current quota, thus processing the backlog faster, but will not come at the cost of all other nationals and will not encourage H1b abuse and outsourcing in the way that the current bill does.

Furthermore, I firmly believe that the bill will serve its purpose ONLY AFTER ending the H1b abuse. Any laws and/or regulations on immigration/visa quota is likely to be abused by outsourcing companies if we pass them without ending the abuse. If we increase the quota, they are likely to exploit more cheap labor. If we redistribute the quota, they are privileged in helping more cheap labor in the tech industry to get into the queue that originally is designed for all employers and immigrants. We have to identify and stop the abuse before anything else, while HR1044/S386 just ignores this critical issue.

Finally, I agree that we should address the backlog problem that Indian immigrants face, yet a special deal to help them who are already in the queue is better than an institutionalized pathway benefiting only tech giants and outsourcing companies at the cost of everyone else in the long run. An amnesty bill could help clear the backlog, but we should not encourage more outsourcing and H1b abuse just to give green card to the people who are already in the queue.

Above are my arguments against the HR1044/S386 bill. I urge you to vote "NO" to the bill until it addresses all the above issues. Our immigration system should not be abused and we should act to protect the diversity of our immigration community.

Thank you and looking forward to your reply!

Yours sincerely,
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SnowBall2019 发表于 7/10/2019 6:26:45 PM

done
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CitiIdiot
87 楼
这个的确影响美国的中产工作和future generation的职业选择。

写信有着二点足够了
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weixin1234567
88 楼
我说实话不太明白这个法案有什么不好。
lansweichi 发表于 7/10/2019 11:39:57 PM

1. 老中的工作很多是和烙印重合的。
2. 小留的工作机会变少,留下来的机会更少。
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woshixiaozhu
89 楼
回复 69楼hai2018的帖子

对,除中印外的地区

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小崽崽
90 楼
回复 86楼lansweichi的帖子

预计2023-2029 6年时间内将没有中国人拿到绿卡。职场被大批印度人占领。
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tannya
91 楼
我说实话不太明白这个法案有什么不好。
lansweichi 发表于 7/10/2019 11:39:57 PM



在今后几年,少数快排到的中国人可以上岸,之后2023-2028的长达6年的时间里100%的名额都是印度人的。100%!
引用nohr1044.com的一句话,In the past 200 years, the USA has never had one country petition Congress to bring more people from ONLY their OWN country
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elenaleela
92 楼
回复 86楼lansweichi的帖子

预计2023-2029 6年时间内将没有中国人拿到绿卡。职场被大批印度人占领。
小崽崽 发表于 7/10/2019 11:58:22 PM

中国人有绿卡的多了去了,咋就不能是绿卡国人沾光呢
湫湫
93 楼
回复 87楼weixin1234567的帖子

此人是翻墙的五毛。
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elenaleela
94 楼
回复 91楼tannya的帖子

可是无国别对待,不平等在哪里了?你和印度人也没被区别对待,你和他们一样呀,凭啥你要求特权呢
小崽崽
95 楼

中国人有绿卡的多了去了,咋就不能是绿卡国人沾光呢

elenaleela 发表于 7/11/2019 12:00:04 AM

什么是绿卡国人沾光,你到底想表达什么?
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elenaleela
96 楼

什么是绿卡国人沾光,你到底想表达什么?

小崽崽 发表于 7/11/2019 12:06:29 AM

表达意思就是,这事儿纯粹是h1b的事儿
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zyhbwh
97 楼
发给所有人了. 上岸了更要出力!
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hai2018
98 楼

中国人有绿卡的多了去了,咋就不能是绿卡国人沾光呢

elenaleela 发表于 7/11/2019 12:00:04 AM


现在拿H1B的可能还不太敢随便跳槽在ICC公司待着,以后全换成绿卡了,是不是可以广泛分布到各个公司了?然后你再想想啊,到时候招聘的是他们的老婆,面试官是他们,你觉得印度人在的team会招多少国人?现在有些team就是有一个印度人进来就慢慢都换成印度人了……
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waimee10
99 楼
顶顶顶顶顶,大家齐心协力! ---发自Huaren 官方 iOS APP
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elenaleela
100 楼
发给所有人了. 上岸了更要出力!
zyhbwh 发表于 7/11/2019 12:07:54 AM

凭啥?说不好听的,h1b国人和绿卡(公民)国人都是抢一个位置的