之前我也根据网友提供的DC Medstar 的网址去大致看了一下， Dr Paul Sugarbaker 也的确在这家医院工作，在他们的Billing Department上，有比较详细的billing procedure, 我贴出来有了解更清楚到人分析一下，我是大概的看了下，貌似并不像当初募捐时说的那样， 私人医院必须预付款，人家有Financial Assistance 的，账单也是在discharge之后才给患者。也许我还漏掉了什么，请指教，http://www.medstarwashington.org/for-patients/patients-and-visitors/billing-and-insurance/understanding-the-billing-process/#q={} Pre-admission If you are covered by insurance, it is always a good idea to be familiar with your insurance plan and/or contact your insurance carrier before coming to the hospital. Understanding your referral, authorization, and financial requirements will help avoid any potential delays or issues.
Financial Assistance If you do not have insurance, please visit or call the Financial Clearance Department at 1-800-280-9006, TDD Relay Number 711. We have many different payment plans and financial assistance options, and our financial counselors will work with you to determine if you are eligible for medical assistance or self-pay discounts.
Hospital Billing Statements MedStar Washington Hospital Center bills for its employed-physician services separately from its hospital services. Therefore, most patients will receive at least two bills from MedStar Washington Hospital Center: one for hospital (facility) services and one for hospital employed physician services. You also may receive other bills from non-MedStar Washington Hospital Center staff that are related to your stay at the hospital.
Inpatient Facility Statements If you have insurance, a claim for payment will be sent to your insurance company within a week of your discharge from the hospital. At the same time, you will be sent an informational statement notifying you that your insurance has been billed. Once your insurance company has made payment, you will be billed for any charges or portion your insurance company did not cover. Subsequent monthly statements and/or letters will be sent to you indicating your new balance after any payments or adjustments.
If you are an uninsured (self-pay) patient, you will be sent an itemized bill requesting payment-in-full within a week of your discharge and subsequent monthly statements and/or letters indicating your new balance after payments or adjustments.
Outpatient Facility Statements If you are covered by insurance, a bill will be sent to your insurance company within a week of your visit to the hospital. Once your insurance responds, we will send a bill listing a summary of charges, insurance payment and/or adjustment, and any amount not covered by insurance. Monthly statements and/or letters will be sent to you indicating your new balance after any payments, adjustments or new charges.
Physician Billing If you are covered by insurance, your services will be billed to your insurance carrier. Once payment is received from your insurance carrier, you will receive our bill for all remaining balances.
*Please note that multiple billing departments exist for Physician billing services. For fastest service, please use the contact information that appears on the bill.
淡定离苦海hoho：第一，她是从别的地方转去现在的医院进行手术的，所以，医院估价单（若有）什么的，很可能就留在家里了。又不是病历，带着它做什么？第二，我前面也说了，作为家人，在捐款已足够时，哪里还有精力和心情去逛论坛，给你们上传收据？这不是小手术，何况病人每天要靠止痛药活着。@＃＃＃＃
如果是真的， 就bless了.
你要是想退可以给她send request让她退， 看她们会不会退，不过我看她们钱都转移到另一个账户里了估计也不会退找各种理由借口推脱的。但是我这两天看这进展挺生气的... 两百刀换成1300 人民币真的可以捐助国内一个困难的贫困学生一学期呢。
不是，主要是我走的friends and family. PayPal 如果走service 好像buyer protection 是两周时限
这是国内请的水军吗？这风格真像苦情脑残粉给自己偶像在洗白的感觉。
需要钱的时候public拿到钱了以后就private???
你们这些反问的方式我觉得很无语。。。。。。不知道怎么回答你。。。。。。任何一点稍微不符合你expectation的，就要拿来攻击。。。。
不会吧， 我也不认识她啊。 就直接看她的fb，https://www.facebook.com/zaowang?fref=ufi&pnref=story
可以看到的：
20小时前： ”对酒当歌，人生几何。明天一切顺利！I will always be there for you, my friend.“
然后看见下面很多朋友留言。包括她自己说肿瘤取出等等。
好奇怪， 我可以看见她21号找看护的。 也可以看见她20小时以前的，还有下面留言。不知道为什么你们看不见。
我还真看了， 和她没有任何共同好友。 八杆子打不着的啊。
我试试截图啊。
刚刚人家告诉我，我才恍然大悟我们是有共同朋友的， 本来以为她的那条信息是public. 那我就还是设个魅力吧。
截个图分享一下把
我当初也是这么想的...帮着省点手续费， 结果现在倒霉了，也不能怪别人，我自己智商交税了
因为被质疑了赌气？反正这个事情无论如何是很怪异。
我觉得记者的本职工作应该是尽可能的还原真相，这种对-消息源-的马虎，作为记者是很有问题的。
这样啊？ 我不太会用fb.
因为这事， 我专门去点了她的fb,还点了她的”friends", 只看见2照片， 都是不认识的人。 所以我assume我们没有共同呢。
我觉得有2个可能，1. 之前王藻被骂的很厉害，私生活也被暴露，可能感情受到伤害，所以干脆破罐破摔，不负责任，不上传。2. 可能觉得手上的资料不全，更新只会引发更多的质疑。
我个人感觉，就算她发病历，发statement了，消停的也只会一小波人。因为最主要的一波人是觉得他们从一开始就有误导嫌疑，安安救不活，不该接受这个手术，不该接受捐款。你说这波人，能用什么方式来说服啊，说不服的。。。
那两个人应该就是你们的共同好友，虽然你可能现实生活中不认识那两人...
这种误不是可有可无的小失误。
我有一点觉得不明白，就是如果捐款人捐之前的疑问这么多，为什么不弄清楚前捐，头脑一热就捐了大几百，捐了以后又后悔。。。。我不是来吵架的，真的就是不明白。。。。我比较谨慎，就只捐了25，被骗了也不会气到自己啊。。。
希望这次这个化疗的办法能不复发
这个女孩子的生命力太让人感动了
打个不合适的比方 很多人买了衣服会回去退 可能是一个意思吧 回家想了想 又觉得心里不熨帖了
fb上那么多人呢...如果他们要骗捐，能把那么多现实生活中的人都骗得不要不要的，说明手段很高明。居然华人上是个人都能言之凿凿的说出那么多漏洞来，难道福尔摩斯都混这里吗？
医疗不比修车。就是修车，mechanic 也会有因情况改变计划的行为。
然后还是合同的逻辑，安安方到现在违约了么？合同到期了么？合同有个明确的交割日期么？
嗯。
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Pre-admission
If you are covered by insurance, it is always a good idea to be familiar with your insurance plan and/or contact your insurance carrier before coming to the hospital. Understanding your referral, authorization, and financial requirements will help avoid any potential delays or issues.
Financial Assistance
If you do not have insurance, please visit or call the Financial Clearance Department at 1-800-280-9006, TDD Relay Number 711. We have many different payment plans and financial assistance options, and our financial counselors will work with you to determine if you are eligible for medical assistance or self-pay discounts.
Hospital Billing Statements
MedStar Washington Hospital Center bills for its employed-physician services separately from its hospital services. Therefore, most patients will receive at least two bills from MedStar Washington Hospital Center: one for hospital (facility) services and one for hospital employed physician services. You also may receive other bills from non-MedStar Washington Hospital Center staff that are related to your stay at the hospital.
Inpatient Facility Statements
If you have insurance, a claim for payment will be sent to your insurance company within a week of your discharge from the hospital. At the same time, you will be sent an informational statement notifying you that your insurance has been billed. Once your insurance company has made payment, you will be billed for any charges or portion your insurance company did not cover. Subsequent monthly statements and/or letters will be sent to you indicating your new balance after any payments or adjustments.
If you are an uninsured (self-pay) patient, you will be sent an itemized bill requesting payment-in-full within a week of your discharge and subsequent monthly statements and/or letters indicating your new balance after payments or adjustments.
Outpatient Facility Statements
If you are covered by insurance, a bill will be sent to your insurance company within a week of your visit to the hospital. Once your insurance responds, we will send a bill listing a summary of charges, insurance payment and/or adjustment, and any amount not covered by insurance. Monthly statements and/or letters will be sent to you indicating your new balance after any payments, adjustments or new charges.
Physician Billing
If you are covered by insurance, your services will be billed to your insurance carrier. Once payment is received from your insurance carrier, you will receive our bill for all remaining balances.
*Please note that multiple billing departments exist for Physician billing services. For fastest service, please use the contact information that appears on the bill.
我觉得，有些捐款人捐之前就算有疑问，仍然被感动了，同时觉得，不清楚的地方会很快被解释清楚的，毕竟第一次募捐嘛，难免有疏漏。记得当初持这个观点的MM挺多的。然后一封署名安安老公的google doc是第一次质疑大潮的起点。
那是因为你直接把人家当小偷，我只把人家看成“经营不善”，standard不一样呗。 而且我读那个英文的文章，读出来就是拼命一博的意思。
这个medstar不是正规医院？dc地区最大的医院，george washington university med school的teaching hospital。
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同意
就是说是否有crime 发生都未知，对不对？
这里在闹啥？
除了揣测就是揣测，对不对？
有一点solid事实没？
稍安勿躁，触犯了法律，自然有司法机构介入。
也不知这是急个啥，个个都是预知未来的oracle 一样。
又想说我是马甲了是吧，你有本事问问版主我是谁的马甲？如果能找出来你让我干什么都行。没证据的话就一遍歇着
募捐方却都躲在病患背后
连个站出来“签合同”的人都没有
你说这个合同怎么算？
什么时候到期？
到期完不成捐款方找谁去？
这个论坛上的口风变化速度难道不是更快？捐款开始第二天就在质疑了。
违约了么？犯罪了么？这里指控的逻辑是什么？update不详尽构成欺骗了么？钱已经被侵吞转移了么？
不过我的是小手术，可能estimate就是口头的。
我当时完全没看到他们后来提到的中医（希望中医的MM不要介意）和质子疗法，也没看到原来没有医院愿意接收她是因为这些最权威的机构已经试遍了所有靠谱的方法而不得不承认她没有希望了。我承认我没仔细读，我读了朋友写的那些删情文章就没有好好读她的病了。我到现在都没觉得她们是在骗捐，但我觉得很多刚发出来的文章有隐瞒的地方。
我就是对其他帖子一点兴趣都没有，怎么着？前几天版上一堆吐槽婆婆来家里的帖子，我一大男人还进去掺和不成？
有意思。王藻脸书更新截屏一出来，立刻某些ID就进来说话了。我纯旁观。
争论是否该手术是一回事，那只是作为个人捐与不捐的标准，讨论是否真有这个手术就不一样了，那是直接质疑募捐内容真假了。
中立方看在病重的份上，选择相信她们。但是她们意气用事能解决问题么？只会把中立方推到对立面去。
除此以外，现在还有她们自己承诺的1）帐目公开2）余款捐出。就看是否能做到了。
呵呵，确实，接着捐吧
作为某些id的一员，我也一直在盯着这里跟王澡的fb等更新因为我完全不认识他们，只能通过这些途径了解信息。但我不会在没有更新的情况下胡乱猜测什么事情。
你查出来的内容是对的。但是没用，先前募捐党以忙为借口不给看押金收据。一切疑问都得靠网友自问自答。OR report，或者surgical notes第二天肯定出来，等着看！那种文档做不来假的。
你是男的啊？
怪不得你还会回帖会辩论呢
照你说的,合同一方失连了,无法得知确切执行情况,所以怀疑有不良情况发生。你是当事人之一吗?可以告知另一方执行人的情况吗?
没关系的 随便归
谢谢，希望顺利。