【奥巴去广岛,称美国不能“repeat the evil”,为反法西斯的胜利道歉?】大选聊天帖

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Dohremi
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这个谁能说得清楚呢?
  就算是1/3送给isis也受不了啊。isis费事八卦几年时间才招1000个美国兵,其他人按照你说的也就是“心理支持同情一下”。trump大笔一划几万过去了。说他是isis头号招兵健将确实也有道理
  
  
  
  

  树 发表于 12/8/2015 12:59:32 AM
请举证几万过去了。不给来美国就要加入IS?每年美国拒签多少人?
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  和人命比起来呢?而且对于正常穆斯林来说,还有什么对他们比穆斯林袭击美国本土给他们带来的压力大?那天我看fox呼吁穆斯林改革的女的说,她最怕的就是同胞搞恐怖事件,让她抬不起头。我估计她可能反而暗暗欢迎这一决定。
  
   luckyso 发表于 12/8/2015 2:22:46 AM

这个怎么估计,你得听她说
  我听了几个穆斯林改革派站出来说的内容概括起来就两点,要改革伊斯兰,激进的甚至敢提出整个伊斯兰宗教就有问题;但另一方面,这些人都非常一致坚决反对把所有穆斯林排斥在美国之外,他们都认为这违背美国的治国之本
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我就不明白了。 第二个还叫 “首都”??? 不是该叫 SECOND  CITY 之类的。
  brookhaven 发表于 12/8/2015 2:35:40 AM
我也不明白他们什么标准为啥叫第二个首都,但他们好像就这么叫
business insider八月的新闻:
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-ramping-up-its-state-building-project-in-its-libyan-capital-2015-8
ISIS is ramping up its state-building project in its Libyan 'capital'
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PositiveVibe
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  能一定程度减少本土伤亡,只要来人肯定会混入恐怖分子。这基本没什么异议。
  问题是当你这个travel ban带来的社会问题会远远大于你减少的这些单蹦恐怖袭击,还敢不敢这么做
  现在trump是赌美国穆斯林是少数人口(0.9%)。但就这样也有500-1200万穆斯林。他这一travel ban直接影响这500-1200万人的利益。这些穆斯林不光有中东的,还有黑的黄的白的。各行各业,不同能量。跟这么多人做对做带来的利益是不是大于伤害,谁敢保障?
    
    
    
  
  

  树 发表于 12/8/2015 1:59:15 AM

影响了500-1200万人的利益,那也只是少数人的
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ceciliaring
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嗯。而且我不明白啊,trump明明说的是umtil our government figured out what the heck is goimg on, 怎么到了媒体上就一致的全是全面禁止了? 难道在搞清楚之前禁止不是对国土安全负责的做法么? 非要什么都不干就张开双臂拥抱MSL才行?
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Riahnna
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嗯。而且我不明白啊,trump明明说的是umtil our government figured out what the heck is goimg on, 怎么到了媒体上就一致的全是全面禁止了? 难道在搞清楚之前禁止不是对国土安全负责的做法么? 非要什么都不干就张开双臂拥抱MSL才行?

  ceciliaring 发表于 12/8/2015 7:04:09 AM


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whyhere
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Iran tests another mid-range ballistic missile in breach of UN resolutions
Iran appears to be in a race against the clock to improve the accuracy of its ballistic missile arsenal in the wake of the nuclear agreement signed in July.
Iran这是为了和核武器配合,加紧研究导弹吗?
  luckyso 发表于 12/7/2015 11:15:44 PM
   Iran  会打美国吗? 它不是说最恨美国吗。
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BlueNDGold
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   Iran  会打美国吗? 它不是说最恨美国吗。
  whyhere 发表于 12/8/2015 8:59:06 AM
中程导弹连欧洲大半都打不到。Iran最恨的是Isreal吧?
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soiiya
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能一定程度减少本土伤亡,只要来人肯定会混入恐怖分子。这基本没什么异议。
问题是当你这个travel ban带来的社会问题会远远大于你减少的这些单蹦恐怖袭击,还敢不敢这么做
现在trump是赌美国穆斯林是少数人口(0.9%)。但就这样也有500-1200万穆斯林。他这一travel ban直接影响这500-1200万人的利益。这些穆斯林不光有中东的,还有黑的黄的白的。各行各业,不同能量。跟这么多人做对做带来的利益是不是大于伤害,谁敢保障?
  
  
  
  


[color=#999999]树 发表于 12/8/2015 1:59:15 AM [/color][url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=1868851&postid=69983451#69983451][img]http://forums.huaren.us/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/quote]
只要来人就会混入恐怖分子。。。同样可以说, 只要美国还有边境, 就有可能有恐怖分子偷渡过来, 只要本土还有喘气的, 就有可能极端化成为圣战者。以此逻辑, 床铺砌墙禁止所有穆斯林入境简直是太正确了
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ronyning
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这个言论,不太能执行,还会给川普招黑。不知道他的智囊团,怎么想到的。如果ISIS还有大规模的美国本土袭击。估计川普支持率会上来。要不然掉下去的危险很大。
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cherubtessie
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  这个怎么估计,你得听她说
   我听了几个穆斯林改革派站出来说的内容概括起来就两点,要改革伊斯兰,激进的甚至敢提出整个伊斯兰宗教就有问题;但另一方面,这些人都非常一致坚决反对把所有穆斯林排斥在美国之外,他们都认为这违背美国的治国之本
  
  

  树 发表于 12/8/2015 2:52:44 AM

这听上去像是解决之道,就不知道可行性多少了
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SDSPAGE
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嗯。而且我不明白啊,trump明明说的是umtil our government figured out what the heck is goimg on, 怎么到了媒体上就一致的全是全面禁止了? 难道在搞清楚之前禁止不是对国土安全负责的做法么? 非要什么都不干就张开双臂拥抱MSL才行?

  ceciliaring 发表于 12/8/2015 7:04:09 AM
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Happyapple123
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川普这次有点太过了。
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luckyso
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川普这次有点太过了。
Happyapple123 发表于 12/8/2015 1:15:09 PM

媒体渲染的版本是过了。不过他说的是暂停,重新评估对美国的威胁具体来自何方。没违反任何法律,难道说一申请签证美国就得批?我觉得如果他说美国穆斯林出境就不能回来了或者把他们遣送走,那就是过了。
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nodepanda
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  你就别说这些穆斯林应该抱怨谁了
   举个例子,就是华人听说“美国谴责中国”,他第一反应恐怕都是会抱怨美国而不是中国。你跟他说“应该抱怨中国政府不争气”,对一些人可行,对另一些人肯定不可行。如果美国不仅谴责中国,还禁止他父母来探亲,他就更不可能骂中国政府了,连原先觉得“是中国政府不争气”的,恐怕都会骂美国了,是这个道理对吧?
  
  

  树 发表于 12/8/2015 1:46:26 AM
说实在的,如果中国人干了这么多恐怖袭击,每一个恐怖分子又都恰好是中国人,那么美国人谴责中国,并且暂时禁止父母来探亲,作为华人应该也不会太惊讶吧?我觉得我至少会觉得很羞愧。保护自己的国家有什么不对?目前穆斯林世界的主要任务应该是向世界展示他们和平共处的决心和行动,而不是像BLM一样只会要求权利而不反省自己。然而很不幸的是,现在穆斯林中间要求改革的声音是有的,但是被极端暴力的声音远远盖过,西方世界看到的穆斯林主流是少数人暴力+大多数沉默,反感他们也是情理之中的事。
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luckyso
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Washington (CNN)The House overwhelmingly passed legislation on Tuesday (407 to 19) that would overhaul the federal visa waiver program and bar those from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or those who have visited those countries in the last five years, from traveling to the United States without a visa.
我今天看到了这个,是不是trump先得到了消息,所以抢先发表statement, 迫使house的决议看着像实现他的部分idea? Timing非常巧啊
唐伯虎点蚊香
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你很实诚啊,没有一边倒的向着Trump说话

【辟谣,Trump根本没说过要实施msl数据库,媒体扭曲】大家来聊primary吧 Washington (CNN)The House overwhelmingly passed legislation on Tuesday (407 to 19) that would overhaul the federal visa waiver program and bar those from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or those who have visited those countries in the last five years, from traveling to the United States without a visa. 我今天看到了这个,是不是trump先得到了消息,所以抢先发表statement, 迫使house的决议看着像实现他的部分idea? Timing非常巧啊luckyso 发表于 2015-12-08 18:54 PM
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SDSPAGE
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Washington (CNN)The House overwhelmingly passed legislation on Tuesday (407 to 19) that would overhaul the federal visa waiver program and bar those from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or those who have visited those countries in the last five years, from traveling to the United States without a visa.
我今天看到了这个,是不是trump先得到了消息,所以抢先发表statement, 迫使house的决议看着像实现他的部分idea? Timing非常巧啊


  luckyso 发表于 12/8/2015 6:40:20 PM
MM的想法好可爱哈。
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luckyso
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MM的想法好可爱哈。


SDSPAGE 发表于 12/8/2015 7:19:16 PM

这个bill民主党绝大多数都赞成,Trump不说点啥的话他就不是最tough的了。。。
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whyhere
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Washington (CNN)The House overwhelmingly passed legislation on Tuesday (407 to 19) that would overhaul the federal visa waiver program and bar those from Iraq, Syria, Iran and the Sudan, or those who have visited those countries in the last five years, from traveling to the United States without a visa.
我今天看到了这个,是不是trump先得到了消息,所以抢先发表statement, 迫使house的决议看着像实现他的部分idea? Timing非常巧啊


  luckyso 发表于 12/8/2015 6:40:20 PM
这个什么时候过参院啊?
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我来打个卡,嘿嘿
昨天看foxnews有人提到trump有很多business在中东,随便查了一下

http://qz.com/568178/donald-trump-owes-much-of-his-fortune-to-wea/

这个bill民主党绝大多数都赞成,Trump不说点啥的话他就不是最tough的了。。。luckyso 发表于 2015-12-08 19:02 PM
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SDSPAGE
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我来打个卡,嘿嘿
昨天看foxnews有人提到trump有很多business在中东,随便查了一下

http://qz.com/568178/donald-trump-owes-much-of-his-fortune-to-wea/



  树 发表于 12/8/2015 8:11:47 PM
挣他们的钱和这个有冲突吗?
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好奇他是准备壮士断腕呢,还是开始慢慢改口

Trump’s anti-Muslim remarks spark outrage in the Gulf

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e6decf2c-9db9-11e5-8ce1-f6219b685d74.html#axzz3tmeEm6Cf



我来打个卡,嘿嘿 昨天看foxnews有人提到trump有很多business在中东,随便查了一下 http://qz.com/568178/donald-trump-owes-much-of-his-fortune-to-wea/树 发表于 2015-12-08 19:15 PM
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当然有了。按照本楼观点,这是个重要态度问题

挣他们的钱和这个有冲突吗?SDSPAGE 发表于 2015-12-08 19:16 PM
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whyhere
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他的 business 要经常 travel 到美国吗?
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他的 business 要经常 travel 到美国吗?
  whyhere 发表于 12/8/2015 8:20:57 PM
人家觉得travel事小,insult事大。

中东的反应:

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-trump-muslims-react-20151208-story.html

One of the Middle East’s largest retailers, the Landmark Group, said it was pulling all Trump-branded products from its shelves.

Last month, Khalaf Habtoor, head of the Dubai-based Al Habtoor Group, said he had admired Trump’s outspokenness and believed that the U.S. was lacking strong leadership.

“I was wrong and I do not mind admitting it. My support for America's front-running Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump was a mistake,” he wrote in the UAE-based daily the National.

Egypt’s Dar al-Ifta, the highest religious authority for issuing Islamic edicts, said: “Trump’s hate rhetoric, which describes Muslims as a threat to the American community, is totally erroneous since Islam exhorts peace and coexistence among all humans, and it is unfair to blame all Muslims for the action of a minority that manipulates the fundamentals of the religion.”

Trump’s comments raised concern among some of the many Middle Eastern businesspeople, academics and others who travel regularly to the United States.

Mosharraf Zaidi, a Pakistani commentator, tweeted: "The damage Trump is doing is permanent. His supporters are never going to go back to keeping it pent up inside. He's destroying America."
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whyhere
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从奢入简难啊,咱中国人这么多年要签证都过来了,还各种 check
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mangooo26
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http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz

无意中逛到这个测试,还挺有趣的,测试完果然和Trump最match
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luckyso
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好奇他是准备壮士断腕呢,还是开始慢慢改口
  
  Trump’s anti-Muslim remarks spark outrage in the Gulf
  
  http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e6decf2c-9db9-11e5-8ce1-f6219b685d74.html#axzz3tmeEm6Cf
  
  
  
  
  

  树 发表于 12/8/2015 8:15:52 PM

gulf这些国家最无耻,自己富的流油,暗自支持恐怖分子,一个难民也不收,天天给人出钱建清真寺。他们真还有脸出来说话!
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luckyso
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我觉得媒体和politician又overreact了。
前一阵不少GOP说只收基督教的难民,怎么Trump一说,马上就改口说“religious test“违反constitution了呢?自己打自己脸吗?
还有有个mayor居然说ban Trump去他的那个city, 那才是违法好不好。outrage的智商都没了。。。
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wearefamily
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回复 5023楼luckyso的帖子

在内奸的帖子贴的,也转到这里,支持有common sense的人,这个世界已经被各种左派搞的是非颠倒,精神错乱了,该清醒清醒了
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经过研究,吃烧焦的食物会引发癌症,大家是不是就杜绝吃这个东四了?
然后有些人自己没有得癌症,就告诉大家,这个是安全的,你们继续吃啊,然后理由就是大多数会是良性的肿瘤,都是没有危害的
问题是你怎么知道这个良性的什么时候变恶性的?
你如果家里有人已经因为得了癌症死了,你是不是非常痛苦,非常痛恨?人死了,谁为这些死去的人叫冤叫屈
然后有个医生呼吁大家不要再吃了,已经得的,赶快切掉,没有得的,就不要再吃烧焦的食物了

你说这个医生是好人还是坏人,是在保护大家还是危害大家

common sense的东西,还是清醒一点吧
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cindy2012
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我觉得媒体和politician又overreact了。
  前一阵不少GOP说只收基督教的难民,怎么Trump一说,马上就改口说“religious test“违反constitution了呢?自己打自己脸吗?
  还有有个mayor居然说ban Trump去他的那个city, 那才是违法好不好。outrage的智商都没了。。。

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 12:16:48 AM
GOP内部的反应激烈的,估计是出于对Trump的Envy吧
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SDSPAGE
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  gulf这些国家最无耻,自己富的流油,暗自支持恐怖分子,一个难民也不收,天天给人出钱建清真寺。他们真还有脸出来说话!

  luckyso 发表于 12/8/2015 11:50:29 PM
强re
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SDSPAGE
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GOP内部的反应激烈的,估计是出于对Trump的Envy吧


  cindy2012 发表于 12/9/2015 8:50:09 AM
觉得是非常嫉妒,呵呵
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huareen
5035 楼
支持trump,一洗所谓的政治正确的阴霾,他的支持率会再创新高的,别看媒体天天抹黑
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PositiveVibe
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North Korea's Kim Jong Un sending his personal girl band to #Beijing to improve relations
https://t.co/UhbDyu7stp https://t.co/qIyL9PDOYp
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PositiveVibe
5037 楼
Trump说了,限定禁止入境只是短期的暂时的
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SDSPAGE
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Trump说了,限定禁止入境只是短期的暂时的
  
  PositiveVibe 发表于 12/9/2015 10:30:48 AM
就是啊,不知道有些人为什么这么愤慨。扭曲放大,真是服了。
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luckyso
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Time Person of the Year: German Chancellor Angela Merkel Named Winner of Magazine Award
The magazine referenced Merkel's role in the refugee and migrant situation in Europe and Germany's central position in the Greek debt crisis in its decision. She is the fourth woman to earn the honor.
无语啊。。。历史会给她正确评判的
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SDSPAGE
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http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2015/12/09/4776067.html
加州杀手的母亲也有参与。
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luckyso
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Ted Cruz: GOP Presidential Candidate Outlines Plan Allowing Governors to Reject Refugees
According to Cruz, the State Refugee Security Act is designed to “protect authority of the states” by allowing governors to “opt out” of refugee programs.
Cruz是干实事的人,而且是法律专家,他辅佐Trump正好!
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luckyso
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http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2015/12/09/4776067.html
加州杀手的母亲也有参与。
  SDSPAGE 发表于 12/9/2015 12:02:25 PM
母亲和他们住一起,不知道就怪了,已经逮捕了吗?
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SDSPAGE
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母亲和他们住一起,不知道就怪了,已经逮捕了吗?

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 12:17:12 PM
还没有,真正取证。
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luckyso
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The third man who unleashed carnage at the Bataclan theater in Paris last month has been identified as Foued Mohamed-Aggad -- a 23-year-old from eastern France who traveled to Syria two years ago.
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SDSPAGE
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Ted Cruz: GOP Presidential Candidate Outlines Plan Allowing Governors to Reject Refugees
According to Cruz, the State Refugee Security Act is designed to “protect authority of the states” by allowing governors to “opt out” of refugee programs.
Cruz是干实事的人,而且是法律专家,他辅佐Trump正好!
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 12:10:57 PM
这些人中,我就看着他和trump顺眼。呵呵
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SDSPAGE
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Time Person of the Year: German Chancellor Angela Merkel Named Winner of Magazine Award
The magazine referenced Merkel's role in the refugee and migrant situation in Europe and Germany's central position in the Greek debt crisis in its decision. She is the fourth woman to earn the honor.
无语啊。。。历史会给她正确评判的
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 12:02:12 PM
是啊,等若干年后看看德国再说。
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luckyso
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临时暂停某类移民有先例:
Presidential Proclamations 2525, 2526, and 2527
These three proclamations were signed by president Franklin D. Roosevelt shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Citing the Alien and Sedition Acts as precedence, these proclamations restricted the entry and naturalization of Japanese, Germans, and Italians respectively.
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SDSPAGE
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主要是现在小左小清新们太可怕了。
我看有些comment真的要吐血了。
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luckyso
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主要是现在小左小清新们太可怕了。
    我看有些comment真的要吐血了。
     SDSPAGE 发表于 12/9/2015 12:39:50 PM

他们一贯如此,也就见怪不怪了,说点啥都outrage,这就是左派清新的问题,outrage bar太低,而且经常overreact,别人阐述不同见解是受宪法保护的,他们的一些做法,比如像ban Trump进入某个城市是违反法律的。
唐伯虎点蚊香
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又被trump说中了

母亲和他们住一起,不知道就怪了,已经逮捕了吗?luckyso 发表于 2015-12-09 13:06 PM
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luckyso
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Donald Trump Responds to Critics: Somebody 'Has to Say What's Right'
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-responds-critics/story?id=35656421
短小精悍的interview:

In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Barbara Walters today, Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, currently at the center of a political firestorm over his proposed ban on Muslims entering the U.S., responded to critics' concerns that his rhetoric might help ISIS attract new recruits.

"I'm the worst thing that ever happened to ISIS. The people in my party fully understand that -- they're running against me. For the most part, they have no poll numbers. I'm leading by a lot. They get it. They're trying to get publicity for themselves," Trump said. "You know when I came out against illegal immigration, everybody said the same thing. Two weeks later, everybody was on my side, including the members of my own party."

Trump released a statement on Monday calling for a "total and complete shutdown" of Muslims entering the U.S. until "our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

His supporters stood by the New York real estate mogul's comments as some Democrats and Republicans banded together to condemn his remarks. Earlier today, Trump compared the plan to that of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who limited the rights of Japanese, German and Italian nationals in the U.S. after the 1941 Pearl Harbor attack.

"It's short term," he said today of the proposed ban. "Let our country get its act together. ... It could be very quickly if our country could get its act together. ... We need toughness and smartness and we have to do it quickly."

When asked by Walters whether he regretted the proposal, Trump said: "Not at all. We have to do the right thing. Somebody in this country has to say what's right."

Trump went on to say that that Americans needed to "get tough" on terror.

"They [terrorists] knocked down the World Trade Center -- they tried doing it twice. Other things have happened. ... There are people that have tremendously bad intentions. We have to be tough, we have to be smart and we have to be vigilant," he said.

Trump said that he had "tremendous relationships" with people in the Muslim community and that they agreed with his sentiments 100 percent. He also denied that he is a bigot and said that he was thinking about the future of the U.S.

"I'm a person who has common sense. I'm a smart person. I know how to run things. I know how to make America great again. This is about making America great," he said.
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luckyso
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Nearly two thirds of likely GOP primary voters back Trump's muslim ban @bpolitics poll finds

http://bloom.bg/1TBaEai  
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SDSPAGE
5053 楼
Donald Trump Responds to Critics: Somebody 'Has to Say What's Right'
  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-responds-critics/story?id=35656421
  短小精悍的interview:
  
  In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Barbara Walters today, Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, currently at the center of a political firestorm over his proposed ban on Muslims entering the U.S., responded to critics' concerns that his rhetoric might help ISIS attract new recruits.
  
  "I'm the worst thing that ever happened to ISIS. The people in my party fully understand that -- they're running against me. For the most part, they have no poll numbers. I'm leading by a lot. They get it. They're trying to get publicity for themselves," Trump said. "You know when I came out against illegal immigration, everybody said the same thing. Two weeks later, everybody was on my side, including the members of my own party."
  
  Trump released a statement on Monday calling for a "total and complete shutdown" of Muslims entering the U.S. until "our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."
  
  His supporters stood by the New York real estate mogul's comments as some Democrats and Republicans banded together to condemn his remarks. Earlier today, Trump compared the plan to that of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who limited the rights of Japanese, German and Italian nationals in the U.S. after the 1941 Pearl Harbor attack.
  
  "It's short term," he said today of the proposed ban. "Let our country get its act together. ... It could be very quickly if our country could get its act together. ... We need toughness and smartness and we have to do it quickly."
  
  When asked by Walters whether he regretted the proposal, Trump said: "Not at all. We have to do the right thing. Somebody in this country has to say what's right."
  
  Trump went on to say that that Americans needed to "get tough" on terror.
  
  "They [terrorists] knocked down the World Trade Center -- they tried doing it twice. Other things have happened. ... There are people that have tremendously bad intentions. We have to be tough, we have to be smart and we have to be vigilant," he said.
  
  Trump said that he had "tremendous relationships" with people in the Muslim community and that they agreed with his sentiments 100 percent. He also denied that he is a bigot and said that he was thinking about the future of the U.S.
  
  "I'm a person who has common sense. I'm a smart person. I know how to run things. I know how to make America great again. This is about making America great," he said.
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 1:12:00 PM
赞!
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luckyso
5054 楼
FBI director: U.S. is facing greatest threat from terrorist groups since 9/11,  Terrorists' ability to have a safe haven increases their ability to mount a sophisticated attack against the U.S., he added
http://cnn.it/1IEYeh9
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luckyso
5055 楼
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Thank you @JebBush- you finally get it!
https://www.instagram.com/p/_FN2L3GhZi/
哈哈
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cindy2012
5056 楼
临时暂停某类移民有先例:
Presidential Proclamations 2525, 2526, and 2527
These three proclamations were signed by president Franklin D. Roosevelt shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Citing the Alien and Sedition Acts as precedence, these proclamations restricted the entry and naturalization of Japanese, Germans, and Italians respectively.
luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 12:31:44 PM

当然有先例了
难道都忘了历史上的“排华法案”了  EXCLUSION OF CHINESE
只要是华人,别管从哪来都不允许移民美国

所以反对TRUMP这个提议的人不是脑子进了水(真是不得不说点粗话), 就是无意义地为了反对而反对
暂停这些人进入美国,这是对所有在美国人的安全的一个最起码的保障,现在恐怖分子在暗处,我们在明处,防不胜防,真不知道还要多少条人命才能唤醒这些人??
真像TRUMP 说的,foolish people 真多
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cindy2012
5057 楼
奥巴马为什么还不主动要求辞职
好像有人发起PETITION 要求奥巴辞职的
今天在忙着做什么“纪念解放黑奴150周年讲话”,光记着纪念他祖宗了

美国是需要真正的安格鲁撒克逊人来管理的
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SDSPAGE
5058 楼
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Thank you @JebBush- you finally get it!
https://www.instagram.com/p/_FN2L3GhZi/
哈哈
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 1:51:02 PM
哈哈
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jiucaihezi
5059 楼
隔壁那个楼是拿钱发帖的吧~~ 我打算到时候直接选trump.
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luckyso
5061 楼
'Trump's not wrong – we can't wear uniform in our OWN cars': Five police officers claim Donald Trump is RIGHT about parts of London being so 'radicalised' they are no-go areas
UK也被卷进来了,Trump又说了大实话,英国领导人否认,群众出来指出真相,路子和前两天那个911庆祝的一样。看来全世界的politician和媒体都是一个套路:

An officer from Yorkshire said on the online forum Police.Community: 'I'm not allowed to travel in half blues to work anymore IN MY OWN CAR as we're 'All at risk of attack' - yet as soon as someone points out the obvious it's 'divisive.'
He added: 'In this instance he (Trump) isn't wrong. Our political leaders are best either ill-informed or simply being disingenuous.
'He's pointed out something that is plainly obvious, something which I think we aren't as a nation willing to own up to - do you think a US Police Department would ban officers from wearing their uniforms under jackets etc due to FEAR of their cops being killed by extremists?
'We implement half measures such as 'No-one is allowed to come into work half blues, even in your own cars because if you get beheaded it'll be your own fault.
'It would be seen as un-American, un-democratic, not the done thing... In the UK though we accept it'.
One female officer in the Met said if a police officer was attacked it would be written off.
She said: 'Even if one of us did get killed or dragged off in a van. It would just be reported as a 'one-off incident' and no reason to change the 'British style of policing.'  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352406/Scotland-Yard-mocks-Trump-s-claims-London-police-terrified-Muslim-areas-officers-claim-tycoon-RIGHT.html
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goldengate
5062 楼
哈哈
  SDSPAGE 发表于 12/9/2015 2:19:38 PM
jeb 厚道人啊,你们别嘲讽他了。他好好呆家里就好了。
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goldengate
5063 楼
主要是现在小左小清新们太可怕了。
我看有些comment真的要吐血了。
  SDSPAGE 发表于 12/9/2015 12:39:50 PM
我在nytimes看小清新看到吐的时候只能换个地方喘气。不过好像最近nytimes留言也被trump支持者flood了。
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goldengate
5064 楼
我觉得媒体和politician又overreact了。
  前一阵不少GOP说只收基督教的难民,怎么Trump一说,马上就改口说“religious test“违反constitution了呢?自己打自己脸吗?
  还有有个mayor居然说ban Trump去他的那个city, 那才是违法好不好。outrage的智商都没了。。。

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 12:16:48 AM
Trump话一出口,就知道这些人要疯了。不过trump也是太胆子大了,我看的心惊肉跳啊。
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SDSPAGE
5065 楼
我在nytimes看小清新看到吐的时候只能换个地方喘气。不过好像最近nytimes留言也被trump支持者flood了。

  goldengate 发表于 12/9/2015 2:40:59 PM
我也是的,呵呵。。
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SDSPAGE
5066 楼
隔壁那个楼是拿钱发帖的吧~~ 我打算到时候直接选trump.
  jiucaihezi 发表于 12/9/2015 2:22:31 PM
不是拿钱的,就是做吃福利的。
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luckyso
5067 楼
Trump话一出口,就知道这些人要疯了。不过trump也是太胆子大了,我看的心惊肉跳啊。

  goldengate 发表于 12/9/2015 2:43:38 PM
开始是有些紧张,因为措辞很强硬。后来看到具体内容觉得没什么问题,暂停+只针对外国人+美国有先例。加上媒体和政客马上overreact,又帮了倒忙。现在一点也不紧张了。
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luckyso
5068 楼
Germany has officially received one million asylum seekers in 2015. The figure has exceeded all official expectations, but may in fact be an underestimate as it takes time to register newcomers in the country’s ‘EASY’ computer system.
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SDSPAGE
5069 楼
'Trump's not wrong – we can't wear uniform in our OWN cars': Five police officers claim Donald Trump is RIGHT about parts of London being so 'radicalised' they are no-go areas
UK也被卷进来了,Trump又说了大实话,英国领导人否认,群众出来指出真相,路子和前两天那个911庆祝的一样。看来全世界的politician和媒体都是一个套路:

An officer from Yorkshire said on the online forum Police.Community: 'I'm not allowed to travel in half blues to work anymore IN MY OWN CAR as we're 'All at risk of attack' - yet as soon as someone points out the obvious it's 'divisive.'
He added: 'In this instance he (Trump) isn't wrong. Our political leaders are best either ill-informed or simply being disingenuous.
'He's pointed out something that is plainly obvious, something which I think we aren't as a nation willing to own up to - do you think a US Police Department would ban officers from wearing their uniforms under jackets etc due to FEAR of their cops being killed by extremists?
'We implement half measures such as 'No-one is allowed to come into work half blues, even in your own cars because if you get beheaded it'll be your own fault.
'It would be seen as un-American, un-democratic, not the done thing... In the UK though we accept it'.
One female officer in the Met said if a police officer was attacked it would be written off.
She said: 'Even if one of us did get killed or dragged off in a van. It would just be reported as a 'one-off incident' and no reason to change the 'British style of policing.'  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352406/Scotland-Yard-mocks-Trump-s-claims-London-police-terrified-Muslim-areas-officers-claim-tycoon-RIGHT.html
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 2:37:49 PM
uk签那个ban trump 的petition是来搞笑的吗
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luckyso
5070 楼
uk签那个ban trump 的petition是来搞笑的吗

  SDSPAGE 发表于 12/9/2015 2:54:13 PM
如果发起个counter这个ban的petition,估计会有多一个量级的签名。Trump在赢得美国选民的同时,还顺便帮了一下UK保守阵营的政党。
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SDSPAGE
5071 楼
如果发起个counter这个ban的petition,估计会有多一个量级的签名。Trump在赢得美国选民的同时,还顺便帮了一下UK保守阵营的政党。


  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 3:02:15 PM
MM说话我真爱听,嘻嘻。。。。。。
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goldengate
5072 楼
Germany has officially received one million asylum seekers in 2015. The figure has exceeded all official expectations, but may in fact be an underestimate as it takes time to register newcomers in the country’s ‘EASY’ computer system.
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 2:50:37 PM
1 million 如果全部武装了都够灭了德国了。
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luckyso
5073 楼
MSNBC的调查:黑墨的反应很有趣,看来白人反而是被PC洗脑更严重?

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luckyso
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goldengate
5075 楼
MSNBC的调查:黑墨的反应很有趣,看来白人反而是被PC洗脑更严重?

  


  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 3:16:21 PM
默默都信天主教,他们搞不定更高兴呢。搞不好trump latino vote会涨。
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SDSPAGE
5076 楼
MSNBC的调查:黑墨的反应很有趣,看来白人反而是被PC洗脑更严重?

  


  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 3:16:21 PM
群众的眼睛是雪亮的啊。
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ronyning
5077 楼
这批人难民来了,都是和默默老黑抢福利,,拿救济。当然是越少,越少。到时候,到处祈祷,黑袍子,谁受得了。
唐伯虎点蚊香
5078 楼
相比之下,墨墨们可爱多了

这批人难民来了,都是和默默老黑抢福利,,拿救济。当然是越少,越少。到时候,到处祈祷,黑袍子,谁受得了。ronyning 发表于 2015-12-09 16:23 PM
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luckyso
5079 楼
有人看国土安全了最新的集了吗?
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SDSPAGE
5080 楼
有人看国土安全了最新的集了吗?
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 5:28:47 PM
怎么了,说来听听。我没看。
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luckyso
5081 楼
怎么了,说来听听。我没看。

  SDSPAGE 发表于 12/9/2015 5:30:49 PM
我前些日子比较忙,有两集没看,今天看了第九集,紧张死了。。。回头看完第十集再给你8。之前的剧集你都看过吗?
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SDSPAGE
5082 楼
我前些日子比较忙,有两集没看,今天看了第九集,紧张死了。。。回头看完第十集再给你8。之前的剧集你都看过吗?

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 5:38:16 PM
我没看。我没有follow 这个剧。
我想是和最近发生的事有关联吗
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luckyso
5083 楼
我没看。我没有follow 这个剧。
我想是和最近发生的事有关联吗


  SDSPAGE 发表于 12/9/2015 5:42:48 PM
挺相关的,讲的就是在叙利亚战争背景下,在德国发生的反恐故事。主角是CIA的。第五季开始是相对完整的故事,你来不及补前四季的话可以从第五季开看。
24你看过吗?没看赶紧看,非常精彩,我看哭好几次。
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luckyso
5084 楼
Jimmy Carter: Social Media Users Compare Donald Trump's Muslim Block to Ex-President's Iranian Ban
In 1980, Carter banned Iranians from entering the U.S. during the Iran hostage crisis. Social media users compared these actions to Trump's call to ban Muslims from entering the country.
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huareen
5085 楼
MSNBC的调查:黑墨的反应很有趣,看来白人反而是被PC洗脑更严重?
  
  
  
  
   luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 3:16:21 PM
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huareen
5086 楼
开始是有些紧张,因为措辞很强硬。后来看到具体内容觉得没什么问题,暂停+只针对外国人+美国有先例。加上媒体和政客马上overreact,又帮了倒忙。现在一点也不紧张了。

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 2:48:55 PM
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luckyso
5087 楼
And while those French investigators have been called racists, a Langy-sur-Marne based mosque was raided this week anyway… And they found a large collection of 7.62 Kalashnikov ammo along with boxes of Islamic State (ISIS) propaganda videos.

Authorities also raided one of the mosque’s leader’s homes, and found a revolver hidden near jihadist documents.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/france-raids-mosques-what-they-found-inside-proves-trump-is-right/#ixzz3trskKxvZ
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luckyso
5088 楼

  
  huareen 发表于 12/9/2015 6:06:52 PM
Trump Leads By 25 Points Over Nearest Rival In New Zogby Poll • Donald Trump: 38% • Ben Carson: 13% • Marco Rubio: 12% • Ted Cruz: 8%
• Jeb Bush: 7% • Chris Christie: 4% • Carly Fiorina: 3% • Others/Not Sure: 16%
The entire poll was conducted after Trump’s controversial remarks about banning Muslims from entering the United States. His 38% is the highest percentage he has received yet in a Zogby Poll.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/12/09/zogby-analytics-trump-leads-by-25-points-over-nearest-rival/
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drspurple
5089 楼
大家可以去LinkedIn 看看,Hilary 谴责Trump 的那条post 下看看跟帖. 那里大概都会用真实身份发帖吧
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Happyapple123
5090 楼
Trump Leads By 25 Points Over Nearest Rival In New Zogby Poll • Donald Trump: 38% • Ben Carson: 13% • Marco Rubio: 12% • Ted Cruz: 8%
   • Jeb Bush: 7% • Chris Christie: 4% • Carly Fiorina: 3% • Others/Not Sure: 16%
  The entire poll was conducted after Trump’s controversial remarks about banning Muslims from entering the United States. His 38% is the highest percentage he has received yet in a Zogby Poll.
  http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/12/09/zogby-analytics-trump-leads-by-25-points-over-nearest-rival/
  
   luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 6:24:07 PM

With regard to his remarks about banning muslims, I do think he should be careful about what he says in the future. He has his personal opinion, but as a presidential candidate, he needs to be more rational and reasonable in public speaking to convince people that he has the maturity and quality to lead this country.
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luckyso
5091 楼
Afghan men training at Georgia Air Force base reported missing

Two men from Afghanistan who are undergoing training at an Air Force base in Georgia have been reported missing, officials said Tuesday.

Officials at Moody Air Force Base, near Valdosta, said in a statement the two students didn’t report Monday to “their regular maintenance training” with the 81st Fighter Squadron.

The two men have been training at the base since February and “were screened prior to their arrival in the United States more than a year ago,” according to the statement. "There's zero evidence that these guys are terrorists," said Brian Childress, police chief in Valdosta, which is near Moody Air Force Base.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/09/2-afghan-nationals-training-at-georgia-air-force-base-reported-missing/?intcmp=hplnws
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Happyapple123
5092 楼
Afghan men training at Georgia Air Force base reported missing
  
  Two men from Afghanistan who are undergoing training at an Air Force base in Georgia have been reported missing, officials said Tuesday.
  
  Officials at Moody Air Force Base, near Valdosta, said in a statement the two students didn’t report Monday to “their regular maintenance training” with the 81st Fighter Squadron.
  
  The two men have been training at the base since February and “were screened prior to their arrival in the United States more than a year ago,” according to the statement. "There's zero evidence that these guys are terrorists," said Brian Childress, police chief in Valdosta, which is near Moody Air Force Base.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/09/2-afghan-nationals-training-at-georgia-air-force-base-reported-missing/?intcmp=hplnws

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 6:32:26 PM
Shocking..... Hopefully it wont be a big security issue.
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luckyso
5093 楼

  With regard to his remarks about banning muslims, I do think he should be careful about what he says in the future. He has his personal opinion, but as a presidential candidate, he needs to be more rational and reasonable in public speaking to convince people that he has the maturity and quality to lead this country.
  
  Happyapple123 发表于 12/9/2015 6:27:29 PM
是的,这个statement他是念的稿子,可见是非常小心的。现在的情况他基本是赢定了,不需要再出大招了,避免犯错误。
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luckyso
5094 楼
@RandPaul discussed his proposed 33-country travel moratorium on @TheLeadCNN. Details: http://cnn.it/1IFH2YR  
Rand Paul把所有穆斯林国家都列出来了?这样就PC了?晕死。
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goldengate
5095 楼
Trump Leads By 25 Points Over Nearest Rival In New Zogby Poll • Donald Trump: 38% • Ben Carson: 13% • Marco Rubio: 12% • Ted Cruz: 8%
• Jeb Bush: 7% • Chris Christie: 4% • Carly Fiorina: 3% • Others/Not Sure: 16%
The entire poll was conducted after Trump’s controversial remarks about banning Muslims from entering the United States. His 38% is the highest percentage he has received yet in a Zogby Poll.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/12/09/zogby-analytics-trump-leads-by-25-points-over-nearest-rival/

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 6:24:07 PM
trump是要把民主党,共和党,左派右派同时搞死的节奏。
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SDSPAGE
5096 楼
挺相关的,讲的就是在叙利亚战争背景下,在德国发生的反恐故事。主角是CIA的。第五季开始是相对完整的故事,你来不及补前四季的话可以从第五季开看。
24你看过吗?没看赶紧看,非常精彩,我看哭好几次。

  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 5:59:36 PM
好的,谢谢推荐。刚好最近生病,在家休息
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goldengate
5097 楼
Fox news poll

Trump leads with 35 percent among South Carolina Republican primary voters.  Ben Carson gets 15 percent, and Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio receive 14 percent each.
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SDSPAGE
5098 楼
大家可以去LinkedIn 看看,Hilary 谴责Trump 的那条post 下看看跟帖. 那里大概都会用真实身份发帖吧
  drspurple 发表于 12/9/2015 6:25:45 PM
发个链接吧,谢谢啦。。。。。。
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SDSPAGE
5099 楼
@RandPaul discussed his proposed 33-country travel moratorium on @TheLeadCNN. Details: http://cnn.it/1IFH2YR  
Rand Paul把所有穆斯林国家都列出来了?这样就PC了?晕死。
  luckyso 发表于 12/9/2015 6:37:34 PM
这货也是利用这个抓眼球的。
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SDSPAGE
5100 楼
trump是要把民主党,共和党,左派右派同时搞死的节奏。
  

  goldengate 发表于 12/9/2015 6:40:36 PM
呵呵。。。。。。。。。。。。