【奥巴去广岛,称美国不能“repeat the evil”,为反法西斯的胜利道歉?】大选聊天帖

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mangooo26
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这个poll 人数太少,主要是要登记email才能选,不过还是支持trump独立参选的最多啊
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SDSPAGE
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这个poll 人数太少,主要是要登记email才能选,不过还是支持trump独立参选的最多啊
  mangooo26 发表于 3/30/2016 5:41:12 PM
发个网站吧,去投一票。。。
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SDSPAGE
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  现在台上那批人,全部换掉才好,他们反正也背叛了很多共和党选民的意愿。他们要破罐破摔,那就砸更大好了。
  
  ScottishFold 发表于 3/30/2016 4:40:13 PM
说的是
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mangooo26
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发个网站吧,去投一票。。。
  

  SDSPAGE 发表于 3/30/2016 5:54:57 PM
http://rightalerts.com/2016/03/30/poll-if-trump-is-defeated-at-brokered-convention-who-will-you-vote-for/
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icylava
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http://rightalerts.com/2016/03/30/poll-if-trump-is-defeated-at-brokered-convention-who-will-you-vote-for/
  mangooo26 发表于 3/30/2016 6:00:36 PM

随便填个email就能看结果了,不用登记真email
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Narnia
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只有trump还承认这些是racoon,其他人告诉你这些是熊猫,不能碰,还要你好好养着!


RNC
P.O. Box 96994
Washington DC 20090-6994
Dear Representative,
From the time I was able to vote I voted Republican. I am 80 years old, and have a great deal of respect and influence with hundreds of senior ball players who also network with thousands of others around the country.
I received your questionnaire and request for money and strongly agree with every question, as I have since Obama was elected. Unfortunately, the one question that was missing is “What have the Republicans done for the American people?” We gave you a majority in the House and Senate, yet you never listened to us. Now you want our money.
You should be more concerned about our votes, not our money. You are the establishment, which means all you want is to save your jobs and line your pockets… Well guess what? “It’s not going to happen” You shake in your boots when I tell you we’re giving our support to TRUMP and he hasn’t asked for a dime.
You might think we are fools because you feel Trump is on a self-destruction course, but you need to look beyond Washington and listen to the masses. Nobody has achieved what he has, especially in the liberal state of New York.
You clearly don’t understand why the Trump movement is so strong, so I’d like to share with you an analogy to help explain the Trump phenomenon. By the way, it’s not just the Republicans who feel ignored and disrespected, there are plenty of Democrats and Independents who also feel let down by the Washington elite. You seem to have forgotten about “We The People” and who hired you to represent us.
So here it is, the best analogy I could come up with. Here is the reason so many Americans have boarded the Trump Train, and why you’re pleased to come back to the party who deserted us, is falling on deaf ears:
You’ve been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement. You want them gone immediately…You call the city and four different exterminators, but nobody could handle the job. There is this one guy however, who guarantees you he will get rid of them, so you hire him. You don’t care if the guy smells, you don’t care if the guy swears, you don’t care how many times he’s been married, you don’t care if he was friends with liberals, you don’t care if he has plumber’s crack…you simply want those raccoons gone! You want your problem fixed! He’s the guy. He’s the best. Period. Here’s why we want Trump: Yes, he’s a bit of an ass, yes he’s an egomaniac, but we don’t care. The country is a mess because politicians have become too self-serving. The Republican Party is two-faced & gutless. Illegal aliens have been allowed to invade our nation. We want it all fixed! We don’t care that Trump is crude, we don’t care that he insults people, we don’t care that he had been friendly with Hillary, we don’t care that he has changed positions, we don’t care that he’s been married three times, we don’t care that he fights with Megan Kelly and Rosie O’Donnell, we don’t care that he doesn’t know the name of some Muslim terrorist.
This country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal aliens and bringing tens of thousands of Muslim refugees to America, while leaving Christians behind to be persecuted. We are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hasid is part of a special group with special rights, to the point where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in; “AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED” and Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.
We’re sick of politicians. We’re sick of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. We just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but he isn’t beholden to lobbyist money and he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him. All we know is that he has been very successful, he’s an excellent negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he’s also not a politician. He’s definitely not a cowardly politician. When he says he’ll fix it, we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.
Oh yeah…I forgot…we don’t care if the guy has bad hair either. We just want those raccoons gone. Out of our house. NOW!

goldengate 发表于 3/30/2016 1:14:00 PM
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luckyso
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CNN大肆抹黑Trump, 一打开前几条全是。那个被喷辣椒水的标题丝毫不提她之前先打人。

可惜清醒的民众太少,很多不经意就被洗脑。像前些日子的老婆大战,很多人就知道Trump攻击cruz老婆的部分,其他不知道。

美国我看是没救了,犹太人太坏了,控制媒体操纵民众,牢牢的握住美国的咽喉。
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SDSPAGE
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CNN大肆抹黑Trump, 一打开前几条全是。那个被喷辣椒水的标题丝毫不提她之前先打人。

可惜清醒的民众太少,很多不经意就被洗脑。像前些日子的老婆大战,很多人就知道Trump攻击cruz老婆的部分,其他不知道。

美国我看是没救了,犹太人太坏了,控制媒体操纵民众,牢牢的握住美国的咽喉。



  luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 6:53:45 PM
我看新闻看到吐血。。。。
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SDSPAGE
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  随便填个email就能看结果了,不用登记真email


  icylava 发表于 3/30/2016 6:13:33 PM
谢谢!
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icylava
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太黑暗了……突然有绝望的感觉,说好的自由民主新闻自由呢?无非也是利益集团的喉舌而已。

黑暗中的一点微光就是现在还有social media,还有很多选择不被“主流”传统媒体洗脑的民众。


CNN大肆抹黑Trump, 一打开前几条全是。那个被喷辣椒水的标题丝毫不提她之前先打人。

可惜清醒的民众太少,很多不经意就被洗脑。像前些日子的老婆大战,很多人就知道Trump攻击cruz老婆的部分,其他不知道。

美国我看是没救了,犹太人太坏了,控制媒体操纵民众,牢牢的握住美国的咽喉。

luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 6:53:45 PM


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drspurple
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太黑暗了……突然有绝望的感觉,说好的自由民主新闻自由呢?无非也是利益集团的喉舌而已。

黑暗中的一点微光就是现在还有social media,还有很多选择不被“主流”传统媒体洗脑的民众。



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  icylava 发表于 3/30/2016 7:16:07 PM
所以必须要变革了
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luckyso
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There is another poll out, taken at approx the same time ( 2 days earlier), that has a margin of error of 1.1% vs this one at 5.8%, with 6,178 repondents, vs this poll of 478, and shows Mr. Trump in the lead by 4%
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ajilon
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Trump真不让人省心,在堕胎问题上会损失妇女选票的
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PositiveVibe
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Trump真不让人省心,在堕胎问题上会损失妇女选票的
  ajilon 发表于 3/30/2016 8:09:03 PM
为啥,他不是说堕胎是医生的责任,而不是妇女的责任么
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PositiveVibe
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There is another poll out, taken at approx the same time ( 2 days earlier), that has a margin of error of 1.1% vs this one at 5.8%, with 6,178 repondents, vs this poll of 478, and shows Mr. Trump in the lead by 4%

  luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 7:58:45 PM
真的,也不说明一下sample size
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mangooo26
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我现在是真怀疑cruz和Fiorina有一腿了,cruz还真是精力旺盛啊,能搞定那么多女人,复读机和说谎精都被大选挖掘了潜能,以后还能发展一下副业

Senator Cruz,” the U.K. Daily Mail asked him, “can you please swat down more definitively this National Enquirer piece by telling us on the record that you’ve never been unfaithful to your wife?”

Cruz never actually answered the question because ex-presidential candidate Fiorina huaren.used in, reframed the subject and pointed the entire scandal back to GOP front-runner Donald Trump and his “henchmen.” Cruz had the chance to slam on the brakes and end the entire discussion by answering a simple question — unfortunately, he didn’t. In fact, he probably made matters worse.
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ajilon
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据新闻报道,Trump说堕胎妇女应该被惩罚。也许是媒体断章取义或恶意歪曲他的原意。
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luckyso
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Trump真不让人省心,在堕胎问题上会损失妇女选票的
ajilon 发表于 3/30/2016 8:09:03 PM

那个不说啥了,你看看原文吧,就知道媒体的节操了:
4:39: Full transcript of Trump’s abortion comments per MSNBC:

QUESTION: Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your stance on women’s rights and their rights to choose in their own reproductive health?
TRUMP: OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I’m pro-life. Right, I think you know that, and I — with exceptions, with the three exceptions. But pretty much, that’s my stance. Is that OK? You understand?
MATTHEWS: What should the law be on abortion?
TRUMP: Well, I have been pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know, what should the law — I know your principle, that’s a good value. But what should be the law?
TRUMP: Well, you know, they’ve set the law and frankly the judges — I mean, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason, because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: And with the loss the Scalia, who was a very strong conservative…
MATTHEWS: I understand.
TRUMP: … this presidential election is going to be very important, because when you say, “what’s the law, nobody knows what’s the law going to be. It depends on who gets elected, because somebody is going to appoint conservative judges and somebody is going to appoint liberal judges, depending on who wins.
MATTHEWS: I know. I never understood the pro-life position.
TRUMP: Well, a lot of people do understand.
MATTHEWS: I never understood it. Because I understand the principle, it’s human life as people see it.
TRUMP: Which it is.
MATTHEWS: But what crime is it?
TRUMP: Well, it’s human life.
MATTHEWS: No, should the woman be punished for having an abortion?
TRUMP: Look…
MATTHEWS: This is not something you can dodge.
TRUMP: It’s a — no, no…
MATTHEWS: If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under law. Should abortion be punished?
TRUMP: Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and Conservative Republicans would say, “yes, they should be punished.”
MATTHEWS: How about you?
TRUMP: I would say that it’s a very serious problem. And it’s a problem that we have to decide on. It’s very hard.
MATTHEWS: But you’re for banning it?
TRUMP: I’m going to say — well, wait. Are you going to say, put them in jail? Are you — is that the (inaudible) you’re talking about?
MATTHEWS: Well, no, I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean?
TRUMP: I would — I am against — I am pro-life, yes.
MATTHEWS: What is ban — how do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?
TRUMP: Well, you know, you will go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places
MATTHEWS: Yes?
TRUMP: But you have to ban it
MATTHEWS: You banning, they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school.
TRUMP: Are you Catholic?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I think…
TRUMP: And how do you feel about the Catholic Church’s position?
MATTHEWS: Well, I accept the teaching authority of my Church on moral issues
TRUMP: I know, but do you know their position on abortion?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I do
TRUMP: And do you concur with the position?
MATTHEWS: I concur with their moral position but legally, I get to the question — here’s my problem with it…
(LAUGHTER)
TRUMP: No, no, but let me ask you, but what do you say about your Church?
MATTHEWS: It’s not funny.
TRUMP: Yes, it’s really not funny
What do you say about your church? They’re very, very strong.
MATTHEWS: They’re allowed to — but the churches make their moral judgments, but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive of the United States. Do you believe…
TRUMP: No, but…
MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment
MATTHEWS: For the woman
TRUMP: Yes, there has to be some form
MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What?
TRUMP: Let me just tell you — I don’t know. That I don’t know. That I don’t know.
MATTHEWS: Why not
TRUMP: I don’t know.
MATTHEWS: You take positions on everything else.
TRUMP: Because I don’t want to — I frankly, I do take positions on everything else. It’s a very complicated position.
MATTHEWS: But you say, one, that you’re pro-life meaning that you want to ban it
TRUMP: But wait a minute, wait a minute. But the Catholic Church is pro-life
MATTHEWS: I’m not talking about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no, I am talking about your religion. Your religion — I mean, you say that you’re a very good Catholic. Your religion is your life. Let me ask you this..
MATTHEWS: I didn’t say very good. I said I’m Catholic
(LAUGHTER)
And secondly, I’m asking — you’re running for President.
TRUMP: No, no…
MATTHEWS: I’m not.
TRUMP: Chris — Chris.
MATTHEWS: I’m asking you, what should a woman face if she chooses to have an abortion?
TRUMP: I’m not going to do that.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: I’m not going to play that game.
MATTHEWS: Game?
TRUMP: You have…
MATTHEWS: You said you’re pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: That means banning abortion
TRUMP: And so is the Catholic Church pro-life.
MATTHEWS: But they don’t control the — this isn’t Spain, the Church doesn’t control the government
TRUMP: What is the punishment under the Catholic Church? What is the…
MATTHEWS: Let me give something from the New Testament, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Don’t ask me about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no…
MATTHEWS: I’m asking you. You want to be president of the United States.
TRUMP: You told me that…
MATTHEWS: You tell me what the law should be.
TRUMP: I have — I have not determined…
MATTHEWS: Just tell me what the law should be. You say you’re pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: What does that mean
TRUMP: With exceptions. I am pro-life.
I have not determined what the punishment would be.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: Because I haven’t determined it
MATTHEWS: When you decide to be pro-life, you should have thought of it. Because…
TRUMP: No, you could ask anybody who is pro-life…
MATTHEWS: OK, here’s the problem — here’s my problem with this, if you don’t have a punishment for abortion — I don’t believe in it, of course — people are going to find a way to have an abortion.
TRUMP: You don’t believe in what?
MATTHEWS: I don’t believe in punishing anybody for having an abortion
TRUMP: OK, fine. OK, (inaudible)/
MATTHEWS: Of course not. I think it’s a woman’s choice.
TRUMP: So you’re against the teachings of your Church?
MATTHEWS: I have a view — a moral view — but I believe we live in a free country, and I don’t want to live in a country so fascistic that it could stop a person from making that decision.
TRUMP: But then you are…
MATTHEWS: That would be so invasive.
TRUMP: I know but I’ve heard you speaking…
MATTHEWS: So determined of a society that I wouldn’t able — one we are familiar with. And Donald Trump, you wouldn’t be familiar with.
TRUMP: But I’ve heard you speaking so highly about your religion and your Church.
MATTHEWS: Yes.
TRUMP: Your Church is very, very strongly as you know, pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: What do you say to your Church?
MATTHEWS: I say, I accept your moral authority. In the United States, the people make the decision, the courts rule on what’s in the Constitution, and we live by that. That’s why I say.
TRUMP: Yes, but you don’t live by it because you don’t accept it. You can’t accept it. You can’t accept it. You can’t accept it.
MATTHEWS: Can we go back to matters of the law and running for president because matters of law, what I’m talking about, and this is the difficult situation you’ve placed yourself in.
By saying you’re pro-life, you mean you want to ban abortion. How do you ban abortion without some kind of sanction? Then you get in that very tricky question of a sanction, a fine on human life which you call murder?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: A fine, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: What about the guy that gets her pregnant? Is he responsible under the law for these abortions? Or is he not responsible for an abortion?
TRUMP: Well, it hasn’t — it hasn’t — different feelings, different people. I would say no.
MATTHEWS: Well, they’re usually involved. Anyway, much more from the audience here at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay. We’ll be right back.
(APPLAUSE)
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luckyso
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明显示是陷阱问题,且是put word in his mouth, 不停绕圈。

而且punishment话题的前提是if abortion is outlawed, 然后会怎样。新闻大字报里也不提这个前提。就说Trump要惩罚妇女。
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PositiveVibe
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Trump scrambles to clarify his position on abortion, says doctor would be held responsible https://t.co/k0kTD68zfr https://t.co/7c0x77ZIGv

他不是说医生的责任么
含笑的猫
20522 楼

明显示是陷阱问题,且是put word in his mouth, 不停绕圈。
而且punishment话题的前提是if abortion is outlawed, 然后会怎样。新闻大字报里也不提这个前提。就说Trump要惩罚妇女。
luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 8:37:28 PM
媒体就是挖陷阱去套川普的话,拐弯抹角的,把人绕进去,然后再捉把柄。卑劣啊!
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luckyso
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美国可能推翻堕胎合法化的判决吗?根本不可能。整个conservation完全无意义,记者不停地追问,就是为了设陷阱,然后断章取义来抹黑。

我是不报希望了,Trump好的事(比如昨天miss Wisconsin那个)没人提,有点纰漏,甚至无事生非都能大字报。和上回那个KKK如出一折。

怎么KKK有人endorse了希拉里,媒体连让她denounce也不要求,更别提一而再再而三的反复问了。还有,怎么没人这么追问cruz的丑闻?媒体是比establishment更腐败的一个群体。
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luckyso
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上面那一段转圈有前提的话,到了cnn这里就是:
Trump: Ban abortions, punish women who get them
CNN - 4 hours ago

美国的希望在哪里??
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cindy2012
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据新闻报道,Trump说堕胎妇女应该被惩罚。也许是媒体断章取义或恶意歪曲他的原意。
  ajilon 发表于 3/30/2016 8:31:47 PM
后面还有半句故意裁掉了
含笑的猫
20526 楼

美国可能推翻堕胎合法化的判决吗?根本不可能。整个conservation完全无意义,记者不停地追问,就是为了设陷阱,然后断章取义来抹黑。
我是不报希望了,Trump好的事(比如昨天miss Wisconsin那个)没人提,有点纰漏,甚至无事生非都能大字报。和上回那个KKK如出一折。
怎么KKK有人endorse了希拉里,媒体连让她denounce也不要求,更别提一而再再而三的反复问了。还有,怎么没人这么追问cruz的丑闻?媒体是比establishment更腐败的一个群体。
luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 8:48:10 PM
早就对这帮子建制派和主流媒体不抱希望了!如果他们不提名川普,我就等着在GE write in川普的名字;如果川普独立竞选,我就投票给他!这次竞选过程是让更多人看透了腐败的两党!大部分有common sense的民众需要这个国家除旧立新!
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cindy2012
20527 楼
以前都说土共操纵媒体,看看美国媒体简直是有过之而无不及
含笑的猫
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以前都说土共操纵媒体,看看美国媒体简直是有过之而无不及
  cindy2012 发表于 3/30/2016 8:54:00 PM
以前在国内觉得政府专政,操纵媒体,现在看看美国所谓的民主就是个笑话!看看主流媒体都被哪些人控制了,如果没有互联网,民众又要被完全愚弄了,但就算这样,还是有一部分人宁愿相信主流媒体的谎言,没治了!
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luckyso
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以前都说土共操纵媒体,看看美国媒体简直是有过之而无不及
cindy2012 发表于 3/30/2016 8:54:00 PM

土共是明面上操纵,P民都知道。米帝是暗地里操纵,让P民觉得言论自由,信息通畅,不知不觉被洗脑。
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ajilon
20530 楼

明显示是陷阱问题,且是put word in his mouth, 不停绕圈。

而且punishment话题的前提是if abortion is outlawed, 然后会怎样。新闻大字报里也不提这个前提。就说Trump要惩罚妇女。

luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 8:37:28 PM
谢谢MM,直觉他不会在这种时候说这种没脑子的话,果然是媒体黑他
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peacelily921
20531 楼

美国可能推翻堕胎合法化的判决吗?根本不可能。整个conservation完全无意义,记者不停地追问,就是为了设陷阱,然后断章取义来抹黑。

我是不报希望了,Trump好的事(比如昨天miss Wisconsin那个)没人提,有点纰漏,甚至无事生非都能大字报。和上回那个KKK如出一折。

怎么KKK有人endorse了希拉里,媒体连让她denounce也不要求,更别提一而再再而三的反复问了。还有,怎么没人这么追问cruz的丑闻?媒体是比establishment更腐败的一个群体。


  luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 8:48:10 PM
是啊,媒体整个就是无限放大trump的纰漏,而对trump的好人好事就尽量缩小,甚至无视,太让人生气了。。。
含笑的猫
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土共是明面上操纵,P民都知道。米帝是暗地里操纵,让P民觉得言论自由,信息通畅,不知不觉被洗脑。
luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 8:58:13 PM
只能说明一部分美国人的智商很成问题啊!这次竞选是多生动的政治课呀,美国是美犹的,要么加入他们当奴隶,要么被消灭。现实就是这么简单!
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buchi
20533 楼
卧槽这个**对这个问题唧唧歪歪翻来覆去转圈,看了一半实在看不下去了


那个不说啥了,你看看原文吧,就知道媒体的节操了:
4:39: Full transcript of Trump’s abortion comments per MSNBC:
QUESTION: Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your stance on women’s rights and their rights to choose in their own reproductive health?
TRUMP: OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I’m pro-life. Right, I think you know that, and I — with exceptions, with the three exceptions. But pretty much, that’s my stance. Is that OK? You understand?
MATTHEWS: What should the law be on abortion?
TRUMP: Well, I have been pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know, what should the law — I know your principle, that’s a good value. But what should be the law?
TRUMP: Well, you know, they’ve set the law and frankly the judges — I mean, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason, because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: And with the loss the Scalia, who was a very strong conservative…
MATTHEWS: I understand.
TRUMP: … this presidential election is going to be very important, because when you say, “what’s the law, nobody knows what’s the law going to be. It depends on who gets elected, because somebody is going to appoint conservative judges and somebody is going to appoint liberal judges, depending on who wins.
MATTHEWS: I know. I never understood the pro-life position.
TRUMP: Well, a lot of people do understand.
MATTHEWS: I never understood it. Because I understand the principle, it’s human life as people see it.
TRUMP: Which it is.
MATTHEWS: But what crime is it?
TRUMP: Well, it’s human life.
MATTHEWS: No, should the woman be punished for having an abortion?
TRUMP: Look…
MATTHEWS: This is not something you can dodge.
TRUMP: It’s a — no, no…
MATTHEWS: If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under law. Should abortion be punished?
TRUMP: Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and Conservative Republicans would say, “yes, they should be punished.”
MATTHEWS: How about you?
TRUMP: I would say that it’s a very serious problem. And it’s a problem that we have to decide on. It’s very hard.
MATTHEWS: But you’re for banning it?
TRUMP: I’m going to say — well, wait. Are you going to say, put them in jail? Are you — is that the (inaudible) you’re talking about?
MATTHEWS: Well, no, I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean?
TRUMP: I would — I am against — I am pro-life, yes.
MATTHEWS: What is ban — how do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?
TRUMP: Well, you know, you will go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places
MATTHEWS: Yes?
TRUMP: But you have to ban it
MATTHEWS: You banning, they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school.
TRUMP: Are you Catholic?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I think…
TRUMP: And how do you feel about the Catholic Church’s position?
MATTHEWS: Well, I accept the teaching authority of my Church on moral issues
TRUMP: I know, but do you know their position on abortion?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I do
TRUMP: And do you concur with the position?
MATTHEWS: I concur with their moral position but legally, I get to the question — here’s my problem with it…
(LAUGHTER)
TRUMP: No, no, but let me ask you, but what do you say about your Church?
MATTHEWS: It’s not funny.
TRUMP: Yes, it’s really not funny
What do you say about your church? They’re very, very strong.
MATTHEWS: They’re allowed to — but the churches make their moral judgments, but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive of the United States. Do you believe…
TRUMP: No, but…
MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment
MATTHEWS: For the woman
TRUMP: Yes, there has to be some form
MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What?
TRUMP: Let me just tell you — I don’t know. That I don’t know. That I don’t know.
MATTHEWS: Why not
TRUMP: I don’t know.
MATTHEWS: You take positions on everything else.
TRUMP: Because I don’t want to — I frankly, I do take positions on everything else. It’s a very complicated position.
MATTHEWS: But you say, one, that you’re pro-life meaning that you want to ban it
TRUMP: But wait a minute, wait a minute. But the Catholic Church is pro-life
MATTHEWS: I’m not talking about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no, I am talking about your religion. Your religion — I mean, you say that you’re a very good Catholic. Your religion is your life. Let me ask you this..
MATTHEWS: I didn’t say very good. I said I’m Catholic
(LAUGHTER)
And secondly, I’m asking — you’re running for President.
TRUMP: No, no…
MATTHEWS: I’m not.
TRUMP: Chris — Chris.
MATTHEWS: I’m asking you, what should a woman face if she chooses to have an abortion?
TRUMP: I’m not going to do that.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: I’m not going to play that game.
MATTHEWS: Game?
TRUMP: You have…
MATTHEWS: You said you’re pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: That means banning abortion
TRUMP: And so is the Catholic Church pro-life.
MATTHEWS: But they don’t control the — this isn’t Spain, the Church doesn’t control the government
TRUMP: What is the punishment under the Catholic Church? What is the…
MATTHEWS: Let me give something from the New Testament, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Don’t ask me about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no…
MATTHEWS: I’m asking you. You want to be president of the United States.
TRUMP: You told me that…
MATTHEWS: You tell me what the law should be.
TRUMP: I have — I have not determined…
MATTHEWS: Just tell me what the law should be. You say you’re pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: What does that mean
TRUMP: With exceptions. I am pro-life.
I have not determined what the punishment would be.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: Because I haven’t determined it
MATTHEWS: When you decide to be pro-life, you should have thought of it. Because…
TRUMP: No, you could ask anybody who is pro-life…
MATTHEWS: OK, here’s the problem — here’s my problem with this, if you don’t have a punishment for abortion — I don’t believe in it, of course — people are going to find a way to have an abortion.
TRUMP: You don’t believe in what?
MATTHEWS: I don’t believe in punishing anybody for having an abortion
TRUMP: OK, fine. OK, (inaudible)/
MATTHEWS: Of course not. I think it’s a woman’s choice.
TRUMP: So you’re against the teachings of your Church?
MATTHEWS: I have a view — a moral view — but I believe we live in a free country, and I don’t want to live in a country so fascistic that it could stop a person from making that decision.
TRUMP: But then you are…
MATTHEWS: That would be so invasive.
TRUMP: I know but I’ve heard you speaking…
MATTHEWS: So determined of a society that I wouldn’t able — one we are familiar with. And Donald Trump, you wouldn’t be familiar with.
TRUMP: But I’ve heard you speaking so highly about your religion and your Church.
MATTHEWS: Yes.
TRUMP: Your Church is very, very strongly as you know, pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: What do you say to your Church?
MATTHEWS: I say, I accept your moral authority. In the United States, the people make the decision, the courts rule on what’s in the Constitution, and we live by that. That’s why I say.
TRUMP: Yes, but you don’t live by it because you don’t accept it. You can’t accept it. You can’t accept it. You can’t accept it.
MATTHEWS: Can we go back to matters of the law and running for president because matters of law, what I’m talking about, and this is the difficult situation you’ve placed yourself in.
By saying you’re pro-life, you mean you want to ban abortion. How do you ban abortion without some kind of sanction? Then you get in that very tricky question of a sanction, a fine on human life which you call murder?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: A fine, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: What about the guy that gets her pregnant? Is he responsible under the law for these abortions? Or is he not responsible for an abortion?
TRUMP: Well, it hasn’t — it hasn’t — different feelings, different people. I would say no.
MATTHEWS: Well, they’re usually involved. Anyway, much more from the audience here at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay. We’ll be right back.
(APPLAUSE)

luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 20:33:00
含笑的猫
20534 楼
谢谢MM,直觉他不会在这种时候说这种没脑子的话,果然是媒体黑他
ajilon 发表于 3/30/2016 8:59:40 PM
川普是个直爽脾气,说话不拐弯抹角的,而且他不是搞嘴皮子吃饭的,他是做实事的,自然没有那些职业政客能说会道;没有经验,被媒体捉把柄也是不可避免的,然而就算他说对了话,媒体还要断章取义故意抹黑他,反正川普无论怎么做怎么说,媒体都能跳出毛病来!这就是双标!
含笑的猫
20535 楼
谢谢MM,直觉他不会在这种时候说这种没脑子的话,果然是媒体黑他
ajilon 发表于 3/30/2016 8:59:40 PM
川普是个直爽脾气,说话不拐弯抹角的,而且他不是靠嘴皮子吃饭的,他是做实事的,自然没有那些职业政客能说会道;没有经验,被媒体捉把柄也是不可避免的,然而就算他说对了话,媒体还要断章取义故意抹黑他,反正川普无论怎么做怎么说,媒体都能跳出毛病来!这就是双标!
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luckyso
20536 楼
以前在国内觉得政府专政,操纵媒体,现在看看美国所谓的民主就是个笑话!看看主流媒体都被哪些人控制了,如果没有互联网,民众又要被完全愚弄了,但就算这样,还是有一部分人宁愿相信主流媒体的谎言,没治了!

含笑的猫 发表于 3/30/2016 8:57:55 PM

多少人会看那么长的transcript, 多少人有空看town hall直播,看清上下文?大部分就看了新闻标题或新闻里听一耳朵大标题罢了。

我早就说过,如果Trump苦战到夏天,一直受媒体夹击,就算赢了提名,大选也困难。媒体抹黑太久,没有足够的时间提高favorability,除非又有大的恐袭之类的外界因素。

GOP到了这份上,是认准了想输了,所以拉出cruz来,大选失利就把帐算到保守派头上,一石二鸟一起灭了。
含笑的猫
20537 楼
卧槽这个**对这个问题唧唧歪歪翻来覆去转圈,看了一半实在看不下去了
buchi 发表于 3/30/2016 9:04:50 PM
换成是我,我就要主持人换下一个话题,干嘛一个问题要翻来覆去的问啊!有病啊!
含笑的猫
20538 楼

多少人会看那么长的transcript, 多少人有空看town hall直播,看清上下文?大部分就看了新闻标题或新闻里听一耳朵大标题罢了。
我早就说过,如果Trump苦战到夏天,一直受媒体夹击,就算赢了提名,大选也困难。媒体抹黑太久,没有足够的时间提高favorability,除非又有大的恐袭之类的外界因素。
GOP到了这份上,是认准了想输了,所以拉出cruz来,大选失利就把帐算到保守派头上,一石二鸟一起灭了。
luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 9:06:54 PM
gop提名奸臣入GE,肯定输给老太婆,按照gop的卑鄙程度,未必怪建制派,指不定又要责怪川普了,觉得川普跳进来竞选纯粹捣乱,导致gop失败!
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mangotango
20539 楼
以前都说土共操纵媒体,看看美国媒体简直是有过之而无不及
cindy2012 发表于 3/30/2016 8:54:00 PM

我以前天真的以为西媒只有在对土共上没有节操的描黑, 现在看来,呵呵, 真真也只是为利益集团服务的机器, 虽然看起来好像有多家媒体自由民主, 其实不过是给草民一个幻想, 实质上没有节操。
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SDSPAGE
20540 楼
川普是个直爽脾气,说话不拐弯抹角的,而且他不是搞嘴皮子吃饭的,他是做实事的,自然没有那些职业政客能说会道;没有经验,被媒体捉把柄也是不可避免的,然而就算他说对了话,媒体还要断章取义故意抹黑他,反正川普无论怎么做怎么说,媒体都能跳出毛病来!这就是双标!
  

  含笑的猫 发表于 3/30/2016 9:05:03 PM
要不每天看新闻气的要吐血。而且不少人只通过新闻来judge trump.气人
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buchi
20541 楼
正好刚在重温江泽民怒斥港媒的段子
其实trump当时也该像蛤蟆一样马上反应过来说 别给我下套!我怎么说这个问题都是错


换成是我,我就要主持人换下一个话题,干嘛一个问题要翻来覆去的问啊!有病啊!

含笑的猫 发表于 3/30/2016 21:07:00
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cindy2012
20542 楼
Bitch年年有
今年特别多
全給TRUMP撞上了
Megyn Kelly,Amanda Carpenter,Liz Mair,Mechelle Fields
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stephanieus
20543 楼
这个帖子太变态了,2000多页,让人怎么看。楼主开新帖不行吗?
含笑的猫
20544 楼
要不每天看新闻气的要吐血。而且不少人只通过新闻来judge trump.气人
SDSPAGE 发表于 3/30/2016 9:23:06 PM
所以我尽量不看新闻,每次看了新闻就会有砸电视的冲动!
含笑的猫
20545 楼
正好刚在重温江泽民怒斥港媒的段子
其实trump当时也该像蛤蟆一样马上反应过来说 别给我下套!我怎么说这个问题都是错
buchi 发表于 3/30/2016 9:26:29 PM
唉~川普直接,不够圆滑,这也是他的性格。
含笑的猫
20546 楼
转帖:说说trump和establishment
trump想和establishement妥协么?想!因为conservative的支持太重要了。
establishment会和他妥协么?不会。establishment哪有那么笨,trump领先了还反他?为什么反他?原因很简单,trump赢了,gop就完蛋了。这就是现实。

trump这次竞选,只是借助了gop的平台,因为独立参选是不可能赢的。可是他的竞选方式完全是杀掉gop。gop是相信value的,而trump没有value。他所谓的expand gop其也不过是把对gop和dem都厌恶的人拉来投票而已。为什么这对gop没有好处呢?因为trump的新带来的几百万选民根本不会stick,他们根本不认同gop的价值观。这次如果trump选不上,他们也就回家歇着去了。另外,本来gop的选民这次选了trump,如果trump赢了很多却不能当选nominee,他们只能觉得更加被出卖。establishment也没办法,只能通过阻击trump,让他赢不了党内选举,或者只以微小优势赢而不能当选,才能把这些倒向trump的gop的选民拉回来。但是这个过程不管怎样发展,对gop都是致命的损伤。

所以现在不阻止trump,gop几年之内就只能完蛋。而就算阻止了trump,gop也是只剩半条命了。所以无论establishement怎么做,他们已经输了。trump这个人做事情实在太狠了,弄不好这次primary,不管谁当选,对gop都是毁灭性打击。
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cindy2012
20547 楼
唉~川普直接,不够圆滑,这也是他的性格。
  

  含笑的猫 发表于 3/30/2016 9:50:28 PM
我觉得不是他不圆滑,是还没适应政治圈作为政治人物,说话得十分小心
但是太小心又引不起听众兴趣
含笑的猫
20548 楼
我觉得不是他不圆滑,是还没适应政治圈作为政治人物,说话得十分小心
但是太小心又引不起听众兴趣
cindy2012 发表于 3/30/2016 9:56:10 PM
川普本来就不是政客,从开始竞选到现在,已经进步很多了,他还是保持着本色,如果真变成彻头彻底的政客样,川普也不是川普了。
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rabbit1688
20549 楼
转帖:说说trump和establishment
trump想和establishement妥协么?想!因为conservative的支持太重要了。
establishment会和他妥协么?不会。establishment哪有那么笨,trump领先了还反他?为什么反他?原因很简单,trump赢了,gop就完蛋了。这就是现实。

trump这次竞选,只是借助了gop的平台,因为独立参选是不可能赢的。可是他的竞选方式完全是杀掉gop。gop是相信value的,而trump没有value。他所谓的expand gop其也不过是把对gop和dem都厌恶的人拉来投票而已。为什么这对gop没有好处呢?因为trump的新带来的几百万选民根本不会stick,他们根本不认同gop的价值观。这次如果trump选不上,他们也就回家歇着去了。另外,本来gop的选民这次选了trump,如果trump赢了很多却不能当选nominee,他们只能觉得更加被出卖。establishment也没办法,只能通过阻击trump,让他赢不了党内选举,或者只以微小优势赢而不能当选,才能把这些倒向trump的gop的选民拉回来。但是这个过程不管怎样发展,对gop都是致命的损伤。

所以现在不阻止trump,gop几年之内就只能完蛋。而就算阻止了trump,gop也是只剩半条命了。所以无论establishement怎么做,他们已经输了。trump这个人做事情实在太狠了,弄不好这次primary,不管谁当选,对gop都是毁灭性打击。



含笑的猫 发表于 3/30/2016 9:52:28 PM

gop 相信 value? 他们只是打着所谓保守党 value的旗号,干着和民主党一样卖国的事,背后都是同一个老板。只是没有民主党这么不要脸,直接把宪法当草纸,放几千万非移进来,再把监狱里的,街上流浪的,吸毒的,变性的都做票仓养着。

现在的候选人里那几个 loser哪个有 value. 都害怕老头上去自己没饭碗而已。
含笑的猫
20550 楼

gop 相信 value? 他们只是打着所谓保守党 value的旗号,干着和民主党一样卖国的事,背后都是同一个老板。只是没有民主党这么不要脸,直接把宪法当草纸,放几千万非移进来,再把监狱里的,街上流浪的,吸毒的,变性的都做票仓养着。现在的候选人里那几个 loser哪个有 value. 都害怕老头上去自己没饭碗而已。
rabbit1688 发表于 3/30/2016 10:32:27 PM
哈哈,我觉得两党都没有value,就是两堆臭狗屎!
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mangooo26
20551 楼

  上面那一段转圈有前提的话,到了cnn这里就是:
  Trump: Ban abortions, punish women who get them
  CNN - 4 hours ago
  
  美国的希望在哪里??
  
   luckyso 发表于 3/30/2016 8:51:24 PM

O8执政以前美国真没有这么离谱,现在确实看不到希望,如果trump这次失败了,那是全美中产的失败,美国文明的没落,白宫再次落入猪党手里的话,可以想见地球以后不再有美国,只是多了一个南美墨西哥,尼玛辛苦了半辈子居然移民到墨西哥,吐血三升啊,归吧国内大城市房价都上天了,不归吧眼见着没有前程和希望了,可怜美国200多年的文明,我们的梦想,就这轻而易举的被OB冲进马桶看不见了~

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mangooo26
20552 楼

说GOP 有value的想法还是有点简单,我转一个人的评论,我觉得很中肯:

那些富人们在权力之争上是分党派的,但在维护自己的物质利益上是不分党派的,当 他们认为trump 会断了他们的财路的时候,即使是自己的同党,也会毁掉他不惜让Hillary 当选。因为Hillary 不会向富人开刀。Hillary的竞选套路是输送利益给富人赢得资金,输送骨头给穷人,懒人,罪人,非法移民,同性恋,乱伦,吸毒者以换取选票。实现自己当总统的的梦想。中产阶级被边缘化和剥夺。至于按照这种套路选下去美国会怎么样,她是不用考虑的,只要她的总统梦实现了,美国哪怕洪水滔天她眼睛都不用眨一眨的。你看他在对待丈夫出轨上的坦然,默许,就知道她是为了实现权力什么都可以作,什么都可以不做的人,他就是一个追足全力的机器,我们不需要这样的总统。共和党毁灭 trump成全Hillary 不是自杀,是自保。现在越来越清楚,美国大选的对立,不是党派的对立。而是人民和绑架白宫高高在上的特殊利益集团的对立,这次trump 横空出世和本党对他的穷凶极恶不择手段的追杀,把这种冲突演绎的淋漓至尽。
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icylava
20553 楼
媒体太无耻,群众太昏庸
以后再也无颜说党妈控制传媒了

要不每天看新闻气的要吐血。而且不少人只通过新闻来judge trump.气人

SDSPAGE 发表于 3/30/2016 9:23:06 PM


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含笑的猫
20554 楼
媒体太无耻,群众太昏庸
以后再也无颜说党妈控制传媒了
icylava 发表于 3/30/2016 11:14:41 PM
对啊,以后美国也别说中国专政不民主了!一丘之貉!
含笑的猫
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  说GOP 有value的想法还是有点简单,我转一个人的评论,我觉得很中肯:
  
  那些富人们在权力之争上是分党派的,但在维护自己的物质利益上是不分党派的,当 他们认为trump 会断了他们的财路的时候,即使是自己的同党,也会毁掉他不惜让Hillary 当选。因为Hillary 不会向富人开刀。Hillary的竞选套路是输送利益给富人赢得资金,输送骨头给穷人,懒人,罪人,非法移民,同性恋,乱伦,吸毒者以换取选票。实现自己当总统的的梦想。中产阶级被边缘化和剥夺。至于按照这种套路选下去美国会怎么样,她是不用考虑的,只要她的总统梦实现了,美国哪怕洪水滔天她眼睛都不用眨一眨的。你看他在对待丈夫出轨上的坦然,默许,就知道她是为了实现权力什么都可以作,什么都可以不做的人,他就是一个追足全力的机器,我们不需要这样的总统。共和党毁灭 trump成全Hillary 不是自杀,是自保。现在越来越清楚,美国大选的对立,不是党派的对立。而是人民和绑架白宫高高在上的特殊利益集团的对立,这次trump 横空出世和本党对他的穷凶极恶不择手段的追杀,把这种冲突演绎的淋漓至尽。
mangooo26 发表于 3/30/2016 11:11:54 PM
所谓的民主,就是愚弄民众,然后要求民众为党派内定的人选投票!反正政府高层早就背离了建国初衷“we the people”,只为他们自己牟利罢了!川普的出现扒下他们的外衣,把他们的丑态暴露在光天化日之下,川普不会让他们掌控,他们认为川普会损害自身的利益,所以决定攻击污蔑川普,试图将他拉下马,随后可以换上自己人。
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turtlezhu
20556 楼
那种看着媒体丑陋嘴脸却无力改变现状的痛苦,真是太难受了
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drspurple
20557 楼
我觉得如果这次唐老壮被阴掉,很可能美帝就一蹶不振了,再往后的事情很难想象。
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liangdoudou
20558 楼

   说GOP 有value的想法还是有点简单,我转一个人的评论,我觉得很中肯:
  
   那些富人们在权力之争上是分党派的,但在维护自己的物质利益上是不分党派的,当 他们认为trump 会断了他们的财路的时候,即使是自己的同党,也会毁掉他不惜让Hillary 当选。因为Hillary 不会向富人开刀。Hillary的竞选套路是输送利益给富人赢得资金,输送骨头给穷人,懒人,罪人,非法移民,同性恋,乱伦,吸毒者以换取选票。实现自己当总统的的梦想。中产阶级被边缘化和剥夺。至于按照这种套路选下去美国会怎么样,她是不用考虑的,只要她的总统梦实现了,美国哪怕洪水滔天她眼睛都不用眨一眨的。你看他在对待丈夫出轨上的坦然,默许,就知道她是为了实现权力什么都可以作,什么都可以不做的人,他就是一个追足全力的机器,我们不需要这样的总统。共和党毁灭 trump成全Hillary 不是自杀,是自保。现在越来越清楚,美国大选的对立,不是党派的对立。而是人民和绑架白宫高高在上的特殊利益集团的对立,这次trump 横空出世和本党对他的穷凶极恶不择手段的追杀,把这种冲突演绎的淋漓至尽。
  mangooo26 发表于 3/30/2016 11:11:54 PM

唉,以前我从来不关心政治,这次因为今年要入籍才开始关注。通过这1个多月,深刻认识到美国的民主和言论自由就是个大笑话,p民就是被愚弄的 还好多甘愿被愚弄,现在热情被残酷的现实快熄灭差不多了,这两天连跟人争辩的冲动都没了,还是好好工作挣钱吧,谁知道以后美国变成啥样~
含笑的猫
20559 楼

  唉,以前我从来不关心政治,这次因为今年要入籍才开始关注。通过这1个多月,深刻认识到美国的民主和言论自由就是个大笑话,p民就是被愚弄的 还好多甘愿被愚弄,现在热情被残酷的现实快熄灭差不多了,这两天连跟人争辩的冲动都没了,还是好好工作挣钱吧,谁知道以后美国变成啥样~liangdoudou 发表于 3/30/2016 11:36:43 PM
不用和他们吵,有些人的观念很难改变的,或者说是我们不能理解的,日子还是要过下去,等6月的提名大会,以及11月份的GE还有一段时日呢,谁也不知道会发生什么,除了继续支持川普,我们静观其变吧。
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chali1234
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O8执政以前美国真没有这么离谱,现在确实看不到希望,如果trump这次失败了,那是全美中产的失败,美国文明的没落,白宫再次落入猪党手里的话,可以想见地球以后不再有美国,只是多了一个南美墨西哥,尼玛辛苦了半辈子居然移民到墨西哥,吐血三升啊,归吧国内大城市房价都上天了,不归吧眼见着没有前程和希望了,可怜美国200多年的文明,我们的梦想,就这轻而易举的被OB冲进马桶看不见了~

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mangooo26 发表于 3/30/2016 11:08:20 PM

一直都这么离谱,那时候没有社交网络,民众自然觉得媒体说什么就是什么。
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ScottishFold
20561 楼

  O8执政以前美国真没有这么离谱,现在确实看不到希望,如果trump这次失败了,那是全美中产的失败,美国文明的没落,白宫再次落入猪党手里的话,可以想见地球以后不再有美国,只是多了一个南美墨西哥,尼玛辛苦了半辈子居然移民到墨西哥,吐血三升啊,归吧国内大城市房价都上天了,不归吧眼见着没有前程和希望了,可怜美国200多年的文明,我们的梦想,就这轻而易举的被OB冲进马桶看不见了~
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  mangooo26 发表于 3/30/2016 11:08:20 PM
trump这次绝对没白出来。左派媒体不就想给你造成这种感觉吗。
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cindy2012
20562 楼

  说GOP 有value的想法还是有点简单,我转一个人的评论,我觉得很中肯:
  
  那些富人们在权力之争上是分党派的,但在维护自己的物质利益上是不分党派的,当 他们认为trump 会断了他们的财路的时候,即使是自己的同党,也会毁掉他不惜让Hillary 当选。因为Hillary 不会向富人开刀。Hillary的竞选套路是输送利益给富人赢得资金,输送骨头给穷人,懒人,罪人,非法移民,同性恋,乱伦,吸毒者以换取选票。实现自己当总统的的梦想。中产阶级被边缘化和剥夺。至于按照这种套路选下去美国会怎么样,她是不用考虑的,只要她的总统梦实现了,美国哪怕洪水滔天她眼睛都不用眨一眨的。你看他在对待丈夫出轨上的坦然,默许,就知道她是为了实现权力什么都可以作,什么都可以不做的人,他就是一个追足全力的机器,我们不需要这样的总统。共和党毁灭 trump成全Hillary 不是自杀,是自保。现在越来越清楚,美国大选的对立,不是党派的对立。而是人民和绑架白宫高高在上的特殊利益集团的对立,这次trump 横空出世和本党对他的穷凶极恶不择手段的追杀,把这种冲突演绎的淋漓至尽。
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  mangooo26 发表于 3/30/2016 11:11:54 PM
是这样,GOP赢了是想自己利益更好,输了嘛最多维持现状,但trump上来,对他们来说现状都不一定保的住,当然急了眼,拼命要把他拉下去
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mangooo26
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   唉,以前我从来不关心政治,这次因为今年要入籍才开始关注。通过这1个多月,深刻认识到美国的民主和言论自由就是个大笑话,p民就是被愚弄的 还好多甘愿被愚弄,现在热情被残酷的现实快熄灭差不多了,这两天连跟人争辩的冲动都没了,还是好好工作挣钱吧,谁知道以后美国变成啥样~
    
  
  
   liangdoudou 发表于 3/30/2016 11:36:43 PM

我也有同感呢,小布什执政确实不好,但是小布什没有颠覆美国的根基,小布什也爱美国,ob不同,ob是披着羊皮的狼,他恨美国,可惜太多人愚蠢愚昧,宁愿做魔鬼的狗腿,有些人则是见利忘义虽然明白利害关系但是故意胡搅蛮缠,眼看着这个地球上最后的文明阵地就这样沦陷,真的痛心,但是我们又退无可退,欧洲沦陷了,大洋洲太遥远,祖国的环境卫生安全之类的也确实让人担心,尤其有小孩子的,trump 代表着普通小老百姓,跟上层大鳄下层流氓打这一仗,肯定不会容易,咱只能尽人力,听天命了。
含笑的猫
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  我也有同感呢,小布什执政确实不好,但是小布什没有颠覆美国的根基,小布什也爱美国,ob不同,ob是披着羊皮的狼,他恨美国,可惜太多人愚蠢愚昧,宁愿做魔鬼的狗腿,有些人则是见利忘义虽然明白利害关系但是故意胡搅蛮缠,眼看着这个地球上最后的文明阵地就这样沦陷,真的痛心,但是我们又退无可退,欧洲沦陷了,大洋洲太遥远,祖国的环境卫生安全之类的也确实让人担心,尤其有小孩子的,trump 代表着普通小老百姓,跟上层大鳄下层流氓打这一仗,肯定不会容易,咱只能尽人力,听天命了。
mangooo26 发表于 3/31/2016 12:14:26 AM
奥巴马上台就是来祸害美国的!也许他是从恨他那个白妈开始一点点恨美国的。他上台之后就开始政治正确,纵容BLM, AA,非法移民,穆斯林……他从来没有为美国的百姓着想!
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mangooo26
20565 楼

一直都这么离谱,那时候没有社交网络,民众自然觉得媒体说什么就是什么。

  chali1234 发表于 3/30/2016 11:57:38 PM


不觉得以前媒体这么离谱啊,或者说以前美国经济强大,中产群体最多,纺锤体的经济结构很稳定,ob上台8年,中产消失了,美国经济结构也变成金字塔了,跟专政国家没区别了,我的感觉美国呼啦跌下悬崖,不管是经济,政治,国际关系还是美国内部的稳定性,飞流直下三千尺,OB绝对是穆斯林国家派来搞垮美国的。
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mangooo26
20566 楼
奥巴马上台就是来祸害美国的!也许他是从恨他那个白妈开始一点点恨美国的。他上台之后就开始政治正确,纵容BLM, AA,非法移民,穆斯林……他从来没有为美国的百姓着想!
  
  
   含笑的猫 发表于 3/31/2016 12:25:57 AM

上次还跟和一个MM说呢,等他卸任没有那么多保镖了,给他家门口扔一坨狗屎表达敬意
含笑的猫
20567 楼

上次还跟和MM说呢,等他卸任没有那么多保镖了,给他家门口扔一坨狗屎表达敬意
mangooo26 发表于 3/31/2016 12:37:10 AM
妹妹说得好!我也很想这么做啊,一坨怎么够,一定要以吨位计算才行啊!哈哈!不过离任总统还是能享受一定保安措施的,连工资都有,你说说这种人在任上尽干坏事,任后还要国家好好养着他,凭什么呀!天理何在!!!
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mangooo26
20568 楼
妹妹说得好!我也很想这么做啊,一坨怎么够,一定要以吨位计算才行啊!哈哈!不过离任总统还是能享受一定保安措施的,连工资都有,你说说这种人在任上尽干坏事,任后还要国家好好养着他,凭什么呀!天理何在!!!
  

  含笑的猫 发表于 3/31/2016 12:42:13 AM

真够恶心的,还嫌工资不够,要给自个加工资呢!美国上任多少届总统了,退休都是出书,演讲赚外快,这种给美国人加了10几个trillion债务的,把美国从世界老大拉到第三世界,还要给自己涨工资,真是皮厚无耻,要不是黑色而是白色的话早被定下叛国罪坐监了,以后咱组个团,分配任务,让他天天踩狗屎,哈哈哈哈
含笑的猫
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  真够恶心的,还嫌工资不够,要给自个加工资呢!美国上任多少届总统了,退休都是出书,演讲赚外快,这种给美国人加了10几个trillion债务的,把美国从世界老大拉到第三世界,还要给自己涨工资,真是皮厚无耻,要不是黑色而是白色的话早被定下叛国罪坐监了,以后咱组个团,分配任务,让他天天踩狗屎,哈哈哈哈
mangooo26 发表于 3/31/2016 12:57:05 AM
是啊,他把美国搞的一团糟之后,拍拍pg走人,此后衣食无忧,高薪厚禄,外加私人保安,还可以四处演讲作秀赚钱,难怪不知人民疾苦!光狗屎怎么够啊,牛大大更大更多啊,去农场收集了卡车运过去啊~哈哈~
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annemarie
20570 楼
我觉得如果这次唐老壮被阴掉,很可能美帝就一蹶不振了,再往后的事情很难想象。
    drspurple 发表于 3/30/2016 11:33:37 PM

不要怕,老祖宗的智慧告诉我们两件事:
  1. 物极必反,什么事如果还没有转机,就是还没有坏到极致,如果是该变化的时候了,就会有转机。中国外国历朝历代有那么些暴政,终有终结者的出现。
  2. 这是考验Trump的时候,所谓天降大任于斯人也,必先苦其心志,劳其筋骨,饿其体肤,空乏其身,行弗乱其所为,所以动心忍性,曾益其所不能。即使最坏的结果他过不了这关,也给后来的人提供了战略指导的意义,这已经是破冰之举了。
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bingmi
20571 楼
我看够呛。老百姓也不傻,谁会去听他演讲。挑拨种族警民离析,纵容暴力,政治和国际事务上各种幼稚举动,很多人都对他烦透了。今天在MSN上看个民调,觉得他在任期间把美国搞的更糟的人有70%多。估计当初选他的这会儿后悔也打肿脸冲胖子嘴上不肯承认的,等退休了就看出来了。不过话说美国最近这几届总统都让选他们的人挺后悔的,所以现在大家一提起都是怀念里根时代,直接跳过中间乌七八糟的俩布什和克林顿奥巴马。

是啊,他把美国搞的一团糟之后,拍拍pg走人,此后衣食无忧,高薪厚禄,外加私人保安,还可以四处演讲作秀赚钱,难怪不知人民疾苦!光狗屎怎么够啊,牛大大更大更多啊,去农场收集了卡车运过去啊~哈哈~


含笑的猫 发表于 3/31/2016 1:04:57 AM


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wshxzt
20572 楼

  唉,以前我从来不关心政治,这次因为今年要入籍才开始关注。通过这1个多月,深刻认识到美国的民主和言论自由就是个大笑话,p民就是被愚弄的 还好多甘愿被愚弄,现在热情被残酷的现实快熄灭差不多了,这两天连跟人争辩的冲动都没了,还是好好工作挣钱吧,谁知道以后美国变成啥样~
  
  

  liangdoudou 发表于 3/30/2016 11:36:43 PM

对,好多人都被媒体愚弄,太无语了
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lilpurple
20573 楼
隔壁那掉粉贴,真是无语的很,为啥好多人好像在大选这件事上不愿意自己动点脑筋全凭想当然。。。
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luckyso
20575 楼

不要怕,老祖宗的智慧告诉我们两件事:
  1. 物极必反,什么事如果还没有转机,就是还没有坏到极致,如果是该变化的时候了,就会有转机。中国外国历朝历代有那么些暴政,终有终结者的出现。
  2. 这是考验Trump的时候,所谓天降大任于斯人也,必先苦其心志,劳其筋骨,饿其体肤,空乏其身,行弗乱其所为,所以动心忍性,曾益其所不能。即使最坏的结果他过不了这关,也给后来的人提供了战略指导的意义,这已经是破冰之举了。
  

annemarie 发表于 3/31/2016 1:11:20 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/30/ann-coulter-its-only-trump/

Trump大选的胜利还是有希望的,看看能不能过初选这一关了
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luckyso
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隔壁那掉粉贴,真是无语的很,为啥好多人好像在大选这件事上不愿意自己动点脑筋全凭想当然。。。

lilpurple 发表于 3/31/2016 2:29:25 AM

无语啊,且不说版上对黑人是不是真的歧视,这和Trump有什么关系?什么事都能怪在Trump头上也是奇怪了
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BlueNDGold
20577 楼

无语啊,且不说版上对黑人是不是真的歧视,这和Trump有什么关系?什么事都能怪在Trump头上也是奇怪了

  luckyso 发表于 3/31/2016 2:45:28 AM
这就好比你们认为Obama要为美国所有黑人的行为负责一样。
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BlueNDGold
20578 楼
隔壁那掉粉贴,真是无语的很,为啥好多人好像在大选这件事上不愿意自己动点脑筋全凭想当然。。。

  lilpurple 发表于 3/31/2016 2:29:25 AM
在说别人不动脑子之前我劝你自己多动动脑子。
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drspurple
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无语啊,且不说版上对黑人是不是真的歧视,这和Trump有什么关系?什么事都能怪在Trump头上也是奇怪了

  luckyso 发表于 3/31/2016 2:45:28 AM
有些人生活中缺乏别人的认同,所以会不顾智商说些政治正确的话,和msm一致,以显示自己不是那么与世隔绝。
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tiffany2013
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    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/30/ann-coulter-its-only-trump/
    
    Trump大选的胜利还是有希望的,看看能不能过初选这一关了
    
     luckyso 发表于 3/31/2016 2:38:21 AM

如果Republican Establishments 和Main Stream Media真把Trump搞掉, 觉得有1/3的人会投Trump的Independent.  希望Trump把无耻的共和党, 民主党, MSM全部分裂掉. 因为很多很多人, 除了Trump, 谁也不会投.  他们对Trump的忠诚度, 是经历了媒体左棍右棍将近1年的轰炸的磨练.  Trump用几十个Million对抗价值几个Billion的负面广告和不实报道.  在前几个月, 我觉得我会在GE选任何Republican, 现在经历了这些Republican Establishments 和Main Stream Media的无耻小人, 我只支持Trump一个,不管他是什么党. #ONLYTrump!
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drspurple
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  如果Republican Establishments 和Main Stream Media真把Trump搞掉, 觉得有1/3的人会投Trump的Independent.  希望Trump把无耻的共和党, 民主党, MSM全部分裂掉. 因为很多很多人, 除了Trump, 谁也不会投.  他们对Trump的忠诚度, 是经历了媒体左棍右棍将近1年的轰炸的磨练.  Trump用几十个Million对抗价值几个Billion的负面广告和报道.  在前几个月, 我觉得我会在GE选任何Republican, 现在经历了这些Republican Establishments 和Main Stream Media的无耻小人, 我只支持Trump一个,不管他是什么党.
  

  tiffany2013 发表于 3/31/2016 7:53:40 AM
一样!我本来只是支持Gop, 甚至在这个班上说过Rubio也不错的话;现在被两党的腐败,msm的无耻生生逼成了trump支持者,现在即使唐老壮无论怎样我也会投他的票。
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SDSPAGE
20582 楼
那种看着媒体丑陋嘴脸却无力改变现状的痛苦,真是太难受了
  turtlezhu 发表于 3/30/2016 11:31:11 PM
握手
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bingmi
20583 楼
是奥巴马自己说那些人是他儿子啊

这就好比你们认为Obama要为美国所有黑人的行为负责一样。


BlueNDGold 发表于 3/31/2016 4:19:53 AM


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20584 楼
Mm回帖前👀👀id,小心踩💩

是奥巴马自己说那些人是他儿子啊

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bingmi 发表于 3/31/2016 9:15:17 AM


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ScottishFold
20585 楼
这就好比你们认为Obama要为美国所有黑人的行为负责一样。

  BlueNDGold 发表于 3/31/2016 4:19:53 AM
TRUMP还不是总统哪,当然不用负责。OBAMA用他的行政权力挑起种族矛盾,当然要负责。
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whyhere
20586 楼
我搜了一下。
关于 Miss  Wisconsin , 像 retuers,  peopele, cnn的网站都有报道。
大家表灰心哈。

Trump 加油!
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harwish
20587 楼
我搜了一下。
关于 Miss  Wisconsin , 像 retuers,  peopele, cnn的网站都有报道。
大家表灰心哈。

Trump 加油!
  whyhere 发表于 3/31/2016 10:51:53 AM
有报道,但是不在首页,一般人去看根本找不到,不知道能起多大作用
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cindy2012
20588 楼
Abortion 这种事情根本不应该由总统来决定,不知道媒体在这种小事上纠结个啥
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mediumpig
20589 楼
Abortion 这种事情根本不应该由总统来决定,不知道媒体在这种小事上纠结个啥

  cindy2012 发表于 3/31/2016 11:08:28 AM
可以抹黑TRUMP的就要纠着不放吧。
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cindy2012
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可以抹黑TRUMP的就要纠着不放吧。
  

  mediumpig 发表于 3/31/2016 11:10:26 AM
折腾吧,一个连公民最基本的Social Security体系都快支撑不下去的国家,还在为些鸡毛蒜皮纠结
含笑的猫
20591 楼
折腾吧,一个连公民最基本的Social Security体系都快支撑不下去的国家,还在为些鸡毛蒜皮纠结
cindy2012 发表于 3/31/2016 11:24:43 AM
主流媒体就喜欢找鸡毛蒜皮之事为难川普,他做的好事只字不提。双标!
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hermione918
20592 楼
http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzAwMzA5NTk5NA==&mid=403055301&idx=1&sn=54d3bda68f3c16171639a527656b7218&scene=4#wechat_redirect

朋友圈里看见一个关于Trump的有趣的贴,写得挺好的,不肤浅。
含笑的猫
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http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzAwMzA5NTk5NA==&mid=403055301&idx=1&sn=54d3bda68f3c16171639a527656b7218&scene=4#wechat_redirect
朋友圈里看见一个关于Trump的有趣的贴,写得挺好的,不肤浅。
  hermione918 发表于 3/31/2016 11:57:49 AM
这个贴写得很有意思,通俗易懂。
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cindy2012
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http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzAwMzA5NTk5NA==&mid=403055301&idx=1&sn=54d3bda68f3c16171639a527656b7218&scene=4#wechat_redirect

朋友圈里看见一个关于Trump的有趣的贴,写得挺好的,不肤浅。
  hermione918 发表于 3/31/2016 11:57:49 AM
为毛打不开呢
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mangooo26
20595 楼

无语啊,且不说版上对黑人是不是真的歧视,这和Trump有什么关系?什么事都能怪在Trump头上也是奇怪了

  luckyso 发表于 3/31/2016 2:45:28 AM


那人才不是真川粉,就是扮川粉来黑trump的。对手的粉又闲又多dirty tricks,由此也能看出川粉的素质最高
含笑的猫
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为毛打不开呢
  cindy2012 发表于 3/31/2016 12:03:30 PM
要copy and paste
含笑的猫
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  那人才不是真川粉,就是扮川粉来黑trump的。对手的粉又闲又多dirty tricks,由此也能看出川粉的素质最高
  mangooo26 发表于 3/31/2016 12:04:49 PM

昨天看她露出凶相,后来又搞了个标题如此可笑的帖子,就明白她不是真川粉。
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cindy2012
20598 楼
觉得有人说Trump 煽动种族歧视的真是被左媒洗脑洗得彻底
Trump在种族这个问题上其实很淡化,他本来就不这么理解这个问题,种族这个标准不适用他,他的主张很简单,让美国强大,他认为发展经济,扩大就业才是解决这些问题的根本。而民主党对种族问题特别敏感,不管什么事一定先往种族方面套
含笑的猫
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觉得有人说Trump 煽动种族歧视的真是被左媒洗脑洗得彻底
Trump在种族这个问题上其实很淡化,他本来就不这么理解这个问题,种族这个标准不适用他,他的主张很简单,让美国强大,他认为发展经济,扩大就业才是解决这些问题的根本。而民主党对种族问题特别敏感,不管什么事一定先往种族方面套
  cindy2012 发表于 3/31/2016 12:13:30 PM
有些人是脑子不够用,所以很容易被洗脑;有些人很偏激,所以左媒就是雪上加霜;把什么事都往种族歧视上套的人,要么内心极度敏感,要么自认为圣母。
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tuer
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觉得有人说Trump 煽动种族歧视的真是被左媒洗脑洗得彻底
Trump在种族这个问题上其实很淡化,他本来就不这么理解这个问题,种族这个标准不适用他,他的主张很简单,让美国强大,他认为发展经济,扩大就业才是解决这些问题的根本。而民主党对种族问题特别敏感,不管什么事一定先往种族方面套
  cindy2012 发表于 3/31/2016 12:13:30 PM
trump是挺淡的,我也会选他。帖子俩楼主我倒也没说是TRUMP粉。

不过你看看含笑的猫那种说话的劲儿,能张口就叫这个死那个死的,还往人门口扔xx,还一吨呢,这个politically correct or incorrect没关系,跟人素质有关。
如果美国的歧视不往下压一压,最后倒霉的是华人,因为黑人歧视华人,白人更加歧视华人,反华的大火只需要一个小理由,就能烧起来,黑人无论谁当总统,都赶不走的。TRUMP算是对华人会比较好的了,但打个比方说,文革如果没有下面的革命小将,能闹的起来吗?现在最重要的应该是反非法移民和接收难民吧?然后再处理国家内部的事情。

往日也是在楼里跟你们一起讨论的,也学了不少东西,跟着大伙儿一起调戏坑王也很有趣。不过我对楼里一两个ID那种发言一直很接受不了,好歹我还是TRUMP粉,最多觉得他们过分而已。
我就默默支持吧,把自家那票投完就算了,其他的事情咱也控制不了。

因为觉得您蛮理智的也挺喜欢你,所以就回复下。

其他人你们爱顶贴就顶!d=====( ̄▽ ̄*)b,我是不回复了,我对政治本身也没多少研究,说不过你们咯,闪。