ALEXANDER’S DUBIOUS CLAIM OF SELF-DEFENSE First, although she had ample opportunity to exercise non-lethal options when she claimed to believe her life was at risk — exiting through the front door, back door, or garage — Alexander chose to remain in the home. She later claimed that the garage door was broken, eliminating her ability to leave when she initially entered the garage, but officers found no evidence to suggest that it was not working. Second, Alexander’s claim that she fired only a warning shot, as opposed to firing at Gray and merely missing, also rings somewhat hollow. Her claim that she fired a warning shot, instead of a shot at center mass to stop the aggressor’s attack, suggests that she did not believe that deadly force was actually necessary. Third, the fact that Alexander never called the police after the incident also suggests that she did not reasonably fear for her life. A victim of a near fatal attack would almost certainly alert authorities so that they might apprehend the attacker. Fourth, the fact that Alexander voluntarily returned to Gray’s home repeatedly after the incident — against explicit court orders which Alexander promised to obey — also suggests that she may not have actually feared for her life when she fired at Gray. Fifth, and finally, Alexander’s behavior before and after her arrest in December of 2010 — while she was still awaiting trial for the previous incident — also calls into question whether she actually believed the use of deadly force was necessary to defend herself from Gray in August of 2010. Alexander never called police (in both the August and December encounters, it was Gray or his children who contacted the police) and initially lied about even being present at Gray’s home. Given Alexander’s behavior and interactions with Gray in the months following her initial arrest, it is not difficult to see why both a judge and a jury may have been skeptical of her claim that the use of deadly force was reasonable and that no other options were available. But the facts surrounding the Zimmerman and Alexander incidents are not the only differences in the two cases. Even though numerous media outlets have suggested that Alexander received unfair treatment under “Stand Your Ground” compared to Zimmerman, Zimmerman never actually claimed a defense under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. This incorrect comparison almost certainly comes from a misunderstanding of what the Florida law actually does.
这是原文链接 BTW，媒体在这事上就是恶心到极点！包括anderson cooper跟piers morgan http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
He should have kept his mouth shut at this time. He could have talked about the issue when things cooled down. Now he just added oil to a burning fire.
re. or he could have said, please trust America's justice system...
There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-obama-surprise-remarks-trayvon-martin-full-transcript-article-1.1403754#ixzz2ZWmiUnfX
And that all contributes I think to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.
After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."
After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."
是先根她老公在家打了一架，然后，女的走出家门，到自己车里，拿了把枪，然后回家，向自己老公打了一枪，没打中老公，打中了天花板。这个女的判guilty有啥问题？
能给个有这个案子的summary的链接吗？不是不相信你，但是好像每个人的理解不太一样，我想看看原文
如果真象你说的这样，那这女的就不是自卫，因为zimmerman这个案子上好像有人说过，如果当时Z身上没带枪，Z被狠狠地揍了，Z回到车上拿到枪，然后去找M开枪，那他就不是not guilty了。就是说，如果她是被老公打（或者是跟老公打架）的过程中开枪，那就not guilty，否则就是报复。。。
我看评论，好多人都后悔选这个总统了
08是来黑黑人的，虽然他们已经够黑的了
能给个有这个案子的summary的链接吗？不是不相信你，但是好像每个人的理解不太一样，我想看看原文
如果真象你说的这样，那这女的就不是自卫，因为zimmerman这个案子上好像有人说过，如果当时Z身上没带枪，Z被狠狠地揍了，Z回到车上拿到枪，然后去找M开枪，那他就不是not guilty了。就是说，如果她是被老公打（或者是跟老公打架）的过程中开枪，那就not guilty，否则就是报复。。。
你搜Marissa Alexander
明天纽约不会暴乱吧？我怀孕9个月要坐地铁去法拉省找月嫂唉。。。都跟人家说好时间了。时代广场那里不会打起来吧？:(
艾玛，打个电话给人月嫂吧，人家估计也不想出来呢
o8是tg的深喉吧？
lol
SATURDAY, JULY 20, 2012
NEW YORK CITY
ONE POLICE PLAZA
12 (NOON)
avoid downtown NYC tomorrow.
啊2012？
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能给个有这个案子的summary的链接吗？不是不相信你，但是好像每个人的理解不太一样，我想看看原文
如果真象你说的这样，那这女的就不是自卫，因为zimmerman这个案子上好像有人说过，如果当时Z身上没带枪，Z被狠狠地揍了，Z回到车上拿到枪，然后去找M开枪，那他就不是not guilty了。就是说，如果她是被老公打（或者是跟老公打架）的过程中开枪，那就not guilty，否则就是报复。。。
ALEXANDER’S DUBIOUS CLAIM OF SELF-DEFENSE
First,
although she had ample opportunity to exercise non-lethal options when
she claimed to believe her life was at risk — exiting through the front
door, back door, or garage — Alexander chose to remain in the home. She
later claimed that the garage door was broken, eliminating her ability
to leave when she initially entered the garage, but officers found no
evidence to suggest that it was not working.
Second, Alexander’s
claim that she fired only a warning shot, as opposed to firing at Gray
and merely missing, also rings somewhat hollow. Her claim that she fired
a warning shot, instead of a shot at center mass to stop the
aggressor’s attack, suggests that she did not believe that deadly force
was actually necessary.
Third, the fact that Alexander never
called the police after the incident also suggests that she did not
reasonably fear for her life. A victim of a near fatal attack would
almost certainly alert authorities so that they might apprehend the
attacker.
Fourth, the fact that Alexander voluntarily returned to
Gray’s home repeatedly after the incident — against explicit court
orders which Alexander promised to obey — also suggests that she may not
have actually feared for her life when she fired at Gray.
Fifth,
and finally, Alexander’s behavior before and after her arrest in
December of 2010 — while she was still awaiting trial for the previous
incident — also calls into question whether she actually believed the
use of deadly force was necessary to defend herself from Gray in August
of 2010. Alexander never called police (in both the August and December
encounters, it was Gray or his children who contacted the police) and
initially lied about even being present at Gray’s home.
Given
Alexander’s behavior and interactions with Gray in the months following
her initial arrest, it is not difficult to see why both a judge and a
jury may have been skeptical of her claim that the use of deadly force
was reasonable and that no other options were available.
But the
facts surrounding the Zimmerman and Alexander incidents are not the only
differences in the two cases. Even though numerous media outlets have
suggested that Alexander received unfair treatment under “Stand Your
Ground” compared to Zimmerman, Zimmerman never actually claimed a
defense under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. This incorrect
comparison almost certainly comes from a misunderstanding of what the
Florida law actually does.
总统的力量还是很大的，看看电视，好像所有的电视台都站在总统一边，许多白人主持人也是义愤填膺。。
白人在这样下去就是智商低被团灭的节奏啊，这次要是黑天使们大获全胜了我们还是考虑考虑卷铺盖滚蛋吧，把这块充满“梦想“的土地留给黑球儿吧。。。
明天纽约不会暴乱吧？我怀孕9个月要坐地铁去法拉省找月嫂唉。。。都跟人家说好时间了。时代广场那里不会打起来吧？:(
这个可以改时间吧？明天那么乱，你又大着个肚子，还是别出门的好。
很遗憾当年林肯想把黑人都送回非洲老家的计划未能实现。。。。。。
很遗憾当年他们把印第安人杀光了把黑人留下了。。。
BTW，媒体在这事上就是恶心到极点！包括anderson cooper跟piers morgan
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
CNN的白人主持都支持08阿。。。。
CNN是民主党的台，如果那主持人不支持08估计很快就要被解雇！
CNN的白人主持都支持08阿。。。。
媒体是喉舌，不代表他们本人观点。
mm,能给个link吗？看看哪些城市。
天哪，明天不出门了
我不知道是我们中国人的种族歧视太利害还是美国总统太有有魅力，反正在电视上，脸书上绝大多数（当然好多白人）都是支持总统的。。。唉。。。
年轻人喜欢他，不知道为啥
历史上，哪一个老白总统，敢说，我就代表白人社区了。总统不是应该代表美国吗？？
CNN的白人主持都支持08阿。。。。
当然了，你没看NBC的副总裁就是老黑，都出来说话了。主持敢说真话？没人敢，将美国拖入种族分裂的无底洞里面。万劫不负呀！种族分裂是所有非洲屠杀的理由，人家还都一个颜色呢。
白人在这样下去就是智商低被团灭的节奏啊，这次要是黑天使们大获全胜了我们还是考虑考虑卷铺盖滚蛋吧，把这块充满“梦想“的土地留给黑球儿吧。。。
我不知道是我们中国人的种族歧视太利害还是美国总统太有有魅力，反正在电视上，脸书上绝大多数（当然好多白人）都是支持总统的。。。唉。。。
我不知道是我们中国人的种族歧视太利害还是美国总统太有有魅力，反正在电视上，脸书上绝大多数（当然好多白人）都是支持总统的。。。唉。。。
对呀！媒体，洗脑太严重！！
我不知道是我们中国人的种族歧视太利害还是美国总统太有有魅力，反正在电视上，脸书上绝大多数（当然好多白人）都是支持总统的。。。唉。。。
Because lots of people don't want to be labeled as a racist. So they keep their opinions to themselves on FB where one's identity is not a secret.
历史上，哪一个老白总统，敢说，我就代表白人社区了。总统不是应该代表美国吗？？
re
你搜Marissa Alexander
找到这个：http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
很长，有作者的主观意识在里面，但是可以挑出facts，说明这两个案子完全不同，至于该判多少年，那就不好说了，我不懂哪些行为该判多少年这些东西
这是原文链接
BTW，媒体在这事上就是恶心到极点！包括anderson cooper跟piers morgan
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
绝大多数媒体都是这样的，所以这大概这就是美国的主流想法？搞不懂。
He should have kept his mouth shut at this time. He could have talked about the issue when things cooled down. Now he just added oil to a burning fire.
re. or he could have said, please trust America's justice system...
CNN的白人主持都支持08阿。。。。
At a time like this, I watch Fox.
CNN的白人主持都支持08阿。。。。
他们什么时候不支持来着？
媒体是喉舌，不代表他们本人观点。
那就是跟中国一样，跟着领袖走。。。
There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had
the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department
store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who
haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the
locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I
was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the
experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse
nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That
happens often.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-obama-surprise-remarks-trayvon-martin-full-transcript-article-1.1403754#ixzz2ZWmiUnfX
那就是跟中国一样，跟着领袖走。。。
必须的，还想不想混啊，全球都这样。
找到这个：http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
很长，有作者的主观意识在里面，但是可以挑出facts，说明这两个案子完全不同，至于该判多少年，那就不好说了，我不懂哪些行为该判多少年这些东西
我就只看这篇的facts部分
这女人的丈夫不是什么好饼，但这女人就是非常彪悍。本来法官不准备给她这么多年（跟她商量大概3年如果她认罪），但她就不同意。
给她20年是因为FL有10-20-life law。如果行为本身违法，行为过程仅仅秀了一下枪，判10年；如果行为过程开枪，判20年。
而该女开了枪，所以她minimum要被判20年
CNN是民主党的台，如果那主持人不支持08估计很快就要被解雇！
我看了美国人的BBS （白人为主的）没有啥不同意见的，当然我的量本有限，大家可以去看看自己COMMUNITY的美国人BBS，我很震惊的。都支持总统
我看了美国人的BBS （白人为主的）没有啥不同意见的，当然我的量本有限，大家可以去看看自己COMMUNITY的美国人BBS，我很震惊的。都支持总统
白人本来就很单纯。很容易被洗脑。只有一小搓是精英（特征：白，秃，男，犹太）
我看了美国人的BBS （白人为主的）没有啥不同意见的，当然我的量本有限，大家可以去看看自己COMMUNITY的美国人BBS，我很震惊的。都支持总统
Read the comments on CNN.
年轻人喜欢他，不知道为啥
能当总统就是美国主流接受，没办法的
我看了美国人的BBS （白人为主的）没有啥不同意见的，当然我的量本有限，大家可以去看看自己COMMUNITY的美国人BBS，我很震惊的。都支持总统
恩，等着被消灭贝，有什么样的国民，就有什么样的领袖，不稀奇。
At a time like this, I watch Fox.
我也开始看Fox了，以前看CNN帅哥
白人财团政治势力都没有意见的话，亚裔群体看法对于美国政坛就跟放屁一样
太对了。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。
老巴马的原话就是，司法系统已经完全的崩溃了。但是不意味着我们什么都不能做？”
太明显了。开始干涉司法，没有想到陪审不买账，现在开始要整个大逆转了。妈呀！这好戏连台呀！不知道了，老白，老左们怎么看，这么下去，就是下一个非洲和南美了。因为司法无法独立了。
司法系统崩溃就是从他一个做总统的还去干预司法公正开始的。他是第一个这么明着干的总统。亏他自己还是学法律出身的，几年哈佛法学院学校都学gou肚子里去了。
所以美国人也是跟着他们的“中央新闻”走
大多数中国年轻人反而很喜欢思考。不管怎么说，脑子思维构造确实比美国人复杂。。。。。
白人本来就很单纯。很容易被洗脑。只有一小搓是精英（特征：白，秃，男，犹太）
所以美国人也是跟着他们的“中央新闻”走
老巴马的一番NC言论，电视台，现在都炸锅了，不过也开始有一些不同的声音了。也不算是坏事，要不电视台这么洗脑，没准大家都跟着NC了。老白老左估计都傻了，自己选了半天，人家表态了，我代表AA的利益。
昨天还看到一新闻是, 卡特总统说陪审团的决定是正确的.
我看了美国人的BBS （白人为主的）没有啥不同意见的，当然我的量本有限，大家可以去看看自己COMMUNITY的美国人BBS，我很震惊的。都支持总统
我们家只看Fox News。
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And that all contributes I think to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.
什么玩意儿， 这人是暗示陪审也biased？
总统先生气疯了
nyc的黑人不怕中暑啊？
nyc的黑人不怕中暑啊？
黑人不怕中暑啊
老巴马的一番NC言论，电视台，现在都炸锅了，不过也开始有一些不同的声音了。也不算是坏事，要不电视台这么洗脑，没准大家都跟着NC了。老白老左估计都傻了，自己选了半天，人家表态了，我代表AA的利益。
傻了也得自己扛着
游行的目的是什么啊？判zimmerman有罪么？
估计是觉得美国司法不公，黑人受到歧视，要抗议。
所以美国人也是跟着他们的“中央新闻”走
有些人也是不敢说总统什么坏话吧，怕fbi请喝咖啡。
我看了美国人的BBS （白人为主的）没有啥不同意见的，当然我的量本有限，大家可以去看看自己COMMUNITY的美国人BBS，我很震惊的。都支持总统
奇怪，为什么隔壁那个mm贴的cnn的新闻下面反对他的多呢？难道那些反对的都是黑人？
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/obama-zimmerman/index.html?hpt=hp_t1#cnn-disqus-area
看到这条评论最后，觉得特别喜感。
我英语不太好，这个是在说反话吗
他不断地在这个案子上提到种族，提到黑人如何受歧视，要怎么理解才能理解为他的comments是constructive的，他的目的是让大家团结而不是让大家分裂呢？我理解无能
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跟地震一样，让地球小震一下，释放一下能量，就不会有大震了，老奥给黑人一个渠道宣泄一下。至于白人嘛，反正也没有指名道姓是谁，泛泛一说谁都觉得其他白人歧视但自己绝对不歧视。
昨天还看到一新闻是, 卡特总统说陪审团的决定是正确的.
Yes, I watched the clip on TV too. I had to applaud him for speaking out supporting the system!
长毛怪还打算明天去chicago chinatown剪毛，看来得继续长着了
同在芝加哥！本来也打算明天去chinatown烫个头发的。。。。
大多数中国年轻人反而很喜欢思考。不管怎么说，脑子思维构造确实比美国人复杂。。。。。
反正这件事情我觉得我们比美国白人更气愤
上次看到一个笑话，朝鲜的小金说要派人干掉美国，o8得意洋洋的说，too late, i did it. 08不搞阶级分化种族分化不舒服阿。
After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."
看到这条评论最后，觉得特别喜感。
哈哈哈哈
反正这件事情我觉得我们比美国白人更气愤
That's because you haven't read some comments from O8 haters. haha.
游行的目的是什么啊？判zimmerman有罪么？
目的是说“我们不是好欺负的，你们敢欺负我们，我们就要闹，闹到你们不敢欺负我们为止”，我猜
估计是觉得美国司法不公，黑人受到歧视，要抗议。
我也觉得不公，凭什么小白小黄小莫孩儿死了就白死了，一个小黑孩儿死了就要闹出这么大的风波来？
估计是觉得美国司法不公，黑人受到歧视，要抗议。
抗到最后不就变成打砸抢了吗？？
说起来，timing真是很重要！这要是去年发生的事，romney就上台了
要是去年 o8敢这么说么。。。
你打开电视看看除了FOX以外的电台的新闻吧，我也希望反对他的多，可是我没看到
FT, only Fox is on the right. All other tv networks are on the left. But if you listen to radio programs, you will probably find the opposite is true.
抗到最后不就变成打砸抢了吗？？
你看美国监狱里关着的那些人，60%以上都是黑人。他们打砸抢我不会奇怪！
奇怪，为什么隔壁那个mm贴的cnn的新闻下面反对他的多呢？难道那些反对的都是黑人？
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/obama-zimmerman/index.html?hpt=hp_t1#cnn-disqus-area
你打开电视看看除了FOX以外的电台的新闻吧，我也希望反对他的多，可是我没看到
有些人也是不敢说总统什么坏话吧，怕fbi请喝咖啡。
对，国家机器还是很厉害的
你打开电视看看除了FOX以外的电台的新闻吧，我也希望反对他的多，可是我没看到
美国的新闻还能看吗？？？这两次选举，你还没有看出名堂吗？？？这些新闻能说明的只是美国的媒体如何给美国人洗脑，不能说明美国的新闻有代表性
That's because you haven't read some comments from O8 haters. haha.
我只看我看得到的几个主流电视台
he's not saying it's wrong, he's simply stating the fact
anybody notice his comment about "protest should be nonviolent"??
他到底在说什么已经不重要了，重要的是他是总统，他应该知道他的任何言辞都会被人sensitive得拎出来，所以他开口之前，脑子要先想想清楚说怎样的话会有怎样的后果，不管他是有意还是无意，oba明显在这方面没有过脑子。
他到底在说什么已经不重要了，重要的是他是总统，他应该知道他的任何言辞都会被人sensitive得拎出来，所以他开口之前，脑子要先想想清楚说怎样的话会有怎样的后果，不管他是有意还是无意，oba明显在这方面没有过脑子。
总统不会干不过脑子的事儿，人这么做显然是有意图的
08 还诺贝尔和平奖。希望这次雪花灯拿诺奖，好象挪威提名他了。
支持雪花灯
我不喜欢08，但我在能看得到的几个主流新闻都是支持08的。
你觉得你不喜欢08，全美国的人也都不喜欢他，你要这么想就这么想好了
你看了CNN那个新闻下面的comment了吗？支持oba的有多傻？
给你个link看看再说话吧http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/obama-zimmerman/index.html?hpt=hp_t1#cnn-disqus-area
你觉得你不喜欢08，全美国的人也都不喜欢他，你要这么想就这么想好了
这典型贼喊捉贼：08自己防碍司法公正，然后说判决结果不对，司法系统崩溃。
我不喜欢08，但我在能看得到的几个主流新闻都是支持08的。
你觉得你不喜欢08，全美国的人也都不喜欢他，你要这么想就这么想好了
不喜欢的很多啊，网上评论你不看吗？新闻没办法了，喉舌嘛，大家都懂。