以下是引用Knitnutbyjl在7/19/2013 3:35:00 PM的发言： sorry no chinese here you know it's funny to me that people talk all of the time about how black leaders need to stand up and address the real prob...... they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
Agree 以下是引用Knitnutbyjl在7/19/2013 9:18:00 PM的发言： sorry no chinese here
you know it's funny to me that people talk all of the time about how black leaders need to stand up and address the real problems in their communities.... there is constant griping and bellyaching that al sharpton and jesse jackson are simply race-baiters who stir up passions in really decisive ways...now we have here, the black man with the most influence over the african-american community since MLK, speaking on race in a way that is constructive and that encourages all americans to unify instead of being divisive, and people l........
以下是引用蘅芷阶通萝薜门在7/20/2013 1:23:00 AM的发言： 以下内容含脚本,或可能导致页面不正常的代码我艹 看了巴马的发言稿 他果然疯了There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her bre........
they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
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you are a racist for sure and not well educated. Period. [此贴子已经被作者于2013/7/20 3:37:40编辑过]
now we are having a good conversation, this is how i interpreted it... he was not trying to say anything about the verdict of the trial... as he said, this is how the system works... what he was trying to explain was the lens through which black people viewed the trial... this was, for many people, the story of a boy who was profiled on account of his skin color (lets face it, racial profiling does exist, i do, you do, everybody does), creating a situation that had a tragic resolution...
he was not discussing the outcome of the trial, but the reasons why it touched a nerve with so many people, the social and psychological implications of the incident and the outcome, and how they fit into a powerful (and largely accurate) historical narrative... at the end, he expresses hope that we're unravelling that narrative and provides suggestions for how we can continue doing so...
Totally agree with you. It is hard to find such a reasonable and rational post in an ocean of racist posts on huaren. Thank you for the post!
MM, 实在佩服你，占着大篇幅，长篇大论地用英文持之以恒地讨论着。我就纯粹哀叹一下我这懒人用手机上网的，实在是每次要狠狠拉一下才能看到你帖子下面的帖子。
以下是引用Knitnutbyjl在7/19/2013 8:14:00 PM 的发言：
i will not go to the ghetto..... agreeing on the speech does not mean i deny the problems black people are having........ the speech simply acknowledges those racial tensions that we are having in this country, that's exactly why i'm no going to the ghetto....
怀疑他从小到大受过不少歧视，内心对美国是充满憎恨的。 you can google his pastor Jeremiah wright's speech, those famous public "god d*n America" speeches. This is what he grew up with. [此贴子已经被作者于2013/7/20 19:31:16编辑过]
sorry no chinese here you know it's funny to me
that people talk all of the time about how black leaders need to stand
up and address the real prob...... they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
★ 发自Android 华人阅览器 6.1
Chicago的黑人很多哇 ，明天应该不能去Chicago市中心了！
能不去就别去吧。
是不是不知道去年一个黑女为了保护自己冲墙开了一枪，结果被定了杀人未遂的罪，要坐牢30年？
那时候怎么不闹事？ 因为里面扯不到别的种族？
受不了了，一群老黑在电视上，哇哇的讲。这总统，讲演的完美了。黑人社区暴力大家要理解，都是历史原因，但是你们的歧视非常的伤害我们老黑的心。烦死了。
P!!什么都扯历史原因，这么多年下来这种族怎么一点都没好点的起色呢，政府已经够在各方面给予优待了，还要怎样？自己不争气还怪其他人看不起你，多么奇怪的逻辑
they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
★ 发自Android 华人阅览器 6.1
can't agree more!
这有啥不懂的，每个人做事有自己的立场，作为黑人的立场我觉得可以理解，就是如果我是他我也许也会这么做。。 但我不是他，也不是黑人， 所以我的态度是不支持他。 你也别断章取义，我说的是我在工作中碰到的黑人nice，也不是指黑人这个整体nice。
你在工作中遇到的黑人都是受过高等教育愿意辛勤工作讲道理的黑人，可惜这种人在整个黑人群体中所占比例太少了，我相信这些黑人也是很痛恨那些好吃懒做偷砸抢的混混黑人的。
芝加哥哪个星期没有枪击报道？Chicago Tribune给出2013上半年枪击分布地图真正触目惊心！出行避开南部黑人区已经是芝加哥人必知的生活常识！一声太息！黑人们真的看不到还是他们根本不在乎？！
芝加哥每年死在枪下的１７岁男孩都有， 总统不会关心他们， 谁让他们不是死在白人枪下。 这末多年了， 那些黑人大老爷自己都是住安全的白人区的， 打砸抢也打不到自己这里， 鼓动穷兄弟在黑人区附近闹事对自己政治生涯只有好处没坏处。 倒霉的还不是周围的店铺还有闹事的黑人。 奥８马真对他们有感情， 怎么不在改善底特律还有这些黑人区的环境上下下工夫？
芝加哥每年死在枪下的１７岁男孩都有， 总统不会关心他们， 谁让他们不是死在白人枪下。 这末多年了， 那些黑人大老爷自己都是住安全的白人区的， 打砸抢也打不到自己这里， 鼓动穷兄弟在黑人区附近闹事对自己政治生涯只有好处没坏处。 倒霉的还不是周围的店铺还有闹事的黑人。 奥８马真对他们有感情， 怎么不在改善底特律还有这些黑人区的环境上下下工夫？
可以说这些底层黑人们都是被自己人政客给利用了么？
是的，作为一个群体，不在自己身上找问题，一味指责别人，那这个群体不会进步的。除了暴力，gang，还有单亲妈妈问题。随便哪一个，他作为黑人总统，都可以做一些什么，而不是去纠结一个个案，然后拼命往racism上靠。
RE. 我觉得他作为总统这么讲话太欠妥当了，很irritate那些黑人。
[此贴子已经被作者于2013/7/20 0:04:42编辑过]
他说的是事实没错，但是这个事实背后，种族歧视并不是原因而是结果~~~
[此贴子已经被作者于2013/7/20 0:12:25编辑过]
以前都没听过这个案子
FT, where have you been?
我看评论，好多人都后悔选这个总统了
后悔有P用
100个游行城市居然没有LA？难道判决出来第二天那天老黑们占领10号过把瘾就算了？
有LA, I have seen it in other news.
以下是引用Knitnutbyjl在7/19/2013 9:18:00 PM的发言：
sorry no chinese here
you know it's funny to me that people talk all of the time about how black leaders need to stand up and address the real problems in their communities.... there is constant griping and bellyaching that al sharpton and jesse jackson are simply race-baiters who stir up passions in really decisive ways...now we have here, the black man with the most influence over the african-american community since MLK, speaking on race in a way that is constructive and that encourages all americans to unify instead of being divisive, and people l........
赞一下mm的回复，看看华人上大家对黑人的评论，就知道种族歧视和隔阂有多严重。和平游行向来都是争取权益的一种方法，我们在国内的时候说政府不让游行没有人权，现在过来看别人游行就说人家打砸抢危害社会。。。作为政客obama怎么可能不知道自己一字一句的后果，赞他的勇气和良心。不知到什么时候国内的政客也能有这样的魄力和口才。。。
哪里看出ob在这件事情上有良心！！！他就是投机分子，制造种族矛盾
政客的勇气和良心？ that's new.
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P!!什么都扯历史原因，这么多年下来这种族怎么一点都没好点的起色呢，政府已经够在各方面给予优待了，还要怎样？自己不争气还怪其他人看不起你，多么奇怪的逻辑
黑人觉得全世界都欠他们的．
黑人觉得全世界都欠他们的．
他们也不想想如果当年祖先没被运过来，他们还在非洲，能像现在一样游手好闲吃福利吗
这话说的，自己代表整个美国非洲人。他不是全美国的总统吗？
还说什么，一个女的，在电梯，如果和一个老黑一起，会紧张？太错误了。妈呀！总统的智囊团哪去了？明确的说，美国的司法系统已经broken 了，但是,it don't mean you couldn't do anything.
明天100个城市游行，今天老巴马发疯，选边站。明天有游行的100城市的姐妹们小心点。老黑有时候，游行游行，就发疯的历史。
有听明白的给解解惑？是不是我没有听清楚？
原文：http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-obama-surprise-remarks-trayvon-martin-full-transcript-article-1.1403754
100个游行城市的链接：
http://blackamericaweb.com/147103/rev-al-sharpton-justice-for-trayvon-rallies/
[此贴子已经被作者于2013/7/19 19:08:11编辑过]
多谢，看了一下幸好没我们城市，不过出门都小心点吧。
以下是引用蘅芷阶通萝薜门在7/20/2013 1:23:00 AM的发言：
以下内容含脚本,或可能导致页面不正常的代码我艹 看了巴马的发言稿 他果然疯了There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her bre........
当然，他要这么说，要不他还要说打砸抢不成。但是他也说了，他代表真个AA 社区的利益。而且政客说话的时间，意义，都是很有讲究的，为什么在游行，前一天发表这么一个演说。无非就是要将事情闹大呗！而且这个案子，非要往种族歧视上面靠。太可怕了。文革呀！老巴马果然是无间道，是来毁美国的。
[此贴子已经被作者于2013/7/19 15:49:32编辑过]
they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
★ 发自Android 华人阅览器 6.1
Well said!
they have the right to be angry. people here has the right to disregard them
his speech is totally uncalled for and totally unnecessary. he and Eric holder just can't pass the fact that this is a typical self defense and no more. not everything needs to be a racial outcry.
I bet Obama did not read through all the evidence and trayvon Martin"s phone photos himself .
and always remember as our Chinese ancestors put it, if you want people to look up to you, find improvement inside yourself first. the black can't blame anyone but themselves for being profiled as violent and dangerous in this country. if they want to change that, they need to positive PR campaign, they need to just be better themselves. they need to cut the murder rates . you know roughly 3% population ( young black man) accounted for 50% of the murders of this country . they change the statistics. people will respect.
before that no matter how hard they protest, I still gonna lock the car when there is a black around.
★ 发自Android 华人阅览器 6.1
you are a racist for sure and not well educated. Period.
[此贴子已经被作者于2013/7/20 3:37:40编辑过]
now we are having a good conversation, this is how i interpreted it... he was not trying to say anything about the verdict of the trial... as he
said, this is how the system works... what he was trying to explain was the lens through which black people
viewed the trial... this was, for many people, the story of a boy who was
profiled on account of his skin color (lets face it, racial profiling does exist, i do, you do, everybody does), creating a situation that had a
tragic resolution...
he was not discussing the outcome of the trial, but the reasons why
it touched a nerve with so many people, the social and psychological
implications of the incident and the outcome, and how they fit into a
powerful (and largely accurate) historical narrative... at the end, he
expresses hope that we're unravelling that narrative and provides
suggestions for how we can continue doing so...
Totally agree with you. It is hard to find such a reasonable and rational post in an ocean of racist posts on huaren. Thank you for the post!
以下是引用cable在7/20/2013 2:48:00 AM的发言：
黑人打砸抢不是诬陷吧，oakland正在进行时！但我不喜欢听别人说＂黑鬼＂，这真的是赤裸裸的歧视。
大家都注意人身安全吧，这点最重要。
我有个同事的朋友被打伤了，脸上挨了一锤子！
这时候能出去的时候就别出去了。
另外记着锁车门， 奥８在我们这里的南区也会锁的， 别听他嘴上忽悠。
黑人打砸抢不是诬陷吧，oakland正在进行时！但我不喜欢听别人说＂黑鬼＂，这真的是赤裸裸的歧视。
我去~这就开始了？！以前就听说那边比较乱。
以下是引用Knitnutbyjl在7/19/2013 3:35:00 PM 的发言：
sorry no chinese here
也别说那么多，为了显示你不歧视黑人，干脆住进黑人区啊。孩子送去黑人多的daycare啊。
严重怀疑帮黑人说话的人都是没在黑人多的城市呆过。
大学在黑人很多的downtown。刚来的时候，傻傻的，自己一个人走路乱逛。不小心走远了， 走到了黑人区，大白天，一群黑人走向我，各种言语挑衅。吓得我拿起电话佯装call911，才连滚带爬的逃走。
还有一次地铁上，整个车厢就俩白人中年，估计是下班回家的。 还有三两个亚裔学生，其他都黑人，大声喧哗，还很大声的对白人说“kiss my black ass”， 白人又没惹他们，只是安静的坐着，戴着耳机。整个路程，non-black都正襟危坐，black都骑到其他族人头上去了。。。
还有同学在地铁口自己一个人走出来去上课， 一黑大妈莫名其妙的跑过来，言语羞辱，还用笔戳那个华人女生。。。
太多这样的案例了
以下是引用Knitnutbyjl在7/19/2013 8:14:00 PM 的发言：
i will not go to the ghetto..... agreeing on the speech does not mean i deny the problems black people are having........ the speech simply acknowledges those racial tensions that we are having in this country, that's exactly why i'm no going to the ghetto....
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他会被弹劾吗?
有些争论让人看了受不了，有意义么？
黑人被歧视也好，歧视别人也好，反正地位比华人高，华人有理无理敢这么来一出么？蚂蚁还在操心狼的生存状态，不是笑话么？
对于华人来说，第一是防止游行中发生骚乱被波及，注意安全，第二是注意观察，看别人各种手段对提高自己地位有没有启发。
我觉得，权力和权益是斗争来的，黑人从长期经验中深谙此道。
re一下
有些争论让人看了受不了，有意义么？
黑人被歧视也好，歧视别人也好，反正地位比华人高，华人有理无理敢这么来一出么？蚂蚁还在操心狼的生存状态，不是笑话么？
对于华人来说，第一是防止游行中发生骚乱被波及，注意安全，第二是注意观察，看别人各种手段对提高自己地位有没有启发。
我觉得，权力和权益是斗争来的，黑人从长期经验中深谙此道。
re.
严重怀疑帮黑人说话的人都是没在黑人多的城市呆过。
大学在黑人很多的downtown。刚来的时候，傻傻的，自己一个人走路乱逛。不小心走远了， 走到了黑人区，大白天，一群黑人走向我，各种言语挑衅。吓得我拿起电话佯装call911，才连滚带爬的逃走。
还有一次地铁上，整个车厢就俩白人中年，估计是下班回家的。 还有三两个亚裔学生，其他都黑人，大声喧哗，还很大声的对白人说“kiss my black ass”， 白人又没惹他们，只是安静的坐着，戴着耳机。整个路程，non-black都正襟危坐，black都骑到其他族人头上去了。。。
还有同学在地铁口自己一个人走出来去上课， 一黑大妈莫名其妙的跑过来，言语羞辱，还用笔戳那个华人女生。。。
太多这样的案例了
RE. 承认有部分黑人well educated,至少with decent manner,但是很多，呵呵，让那些给黑人说话的跟他们去住住试试把。像我这样此前不得不生活在芝加哥南部的人，深有体会，别人问我芝加哥怎么样，我说一辈子不想回去。
总统疯了，是不是我们应该回国？
他会被弹劾吗?
怎么会被弹劾呢！共和党烂泥扶不上墙！
以下是引用naha!在7/20/2013 9:10:00 AM的发言：
一帮自己是SB还歧视黑人的华人大妈。。。
一帮自己是SB还歧视黑人的华人大妈。。。
too bad your mom is a also 华人大妈。son of SB.
有没有人知道现在游行的情况？
re，现在东部的情况如何？
我选了他两次，这次也受不了了。只怪共和党候选人太差劲，哎！下次不会再选民主党了。
大家为啥不弃权呢. 如果没有合适的.
一帮自己是SB还歧视黑人的华人大妈。。。
能说出这种话的人才是SB，敢情你不是华人大妈生的孩子？过几年等你到了大妈的年纪，你也是华人大妈。
史上最著名的摇摆州的首府，黑人不算少，市长也是黑人，居然不在游行名单里？太好了！鼓掌！！！
因为已经被他们统治了,不需要游行了 ?
美国现在最不需要的就是分裂。老巴马正在干。
这个MM，我歪个楼，我记得你的头像。你的那个在加拿大的朋友，一年前还是两年前被你从邪教地方救出来的，她现在好吗？
一帮自己是SB还歧视黑人的华人大妈。。。
你不也是大妈嘛，你还是处女咋的。
说起来，timing真是很重要！这要是去年发生的事，romney就上台了
要是去年发生这事他就不敢这么赤裸裸的说话做事了，这厮现在是毫无顾忌，赤脚上阵了。
怀疑他从小到大受过不少歧视，内心对美国是充满憎恨的。
以下是引用减肥减肥减不动在7/20/2013 1:19:00 PM的发言：
现在各地情况如何
这是原文链接
BTW，媒体在这事上就是恶心到极点！包括anderson cooper跟piers morgan
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
有几个媒体不是溜须拍马皮的？
一帮自己是SB还歧视黑人的华人大妈。。。
这个不是前阵子被人拍成渣渣的马路杀手么
恩，等着被消灭贝，有什么样的国民，就有什么样的领袖，不稀奇。
好啊，美国死了，咱还可以回中国。中国有可以往前排排了
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好啊，美国死了，咱还可以回中国。中国有可以往前排排了
往前好几个名次哈哈
要是去年发生这事他就不敢这么赤裸裸的说话做事了，这厮现在是毫无顾忌，赤脚上阵了。
怀疑他从小到大受过不少歧视，内心对美国是充满憎恨的。
很有可能
I feel many balcks didn't got respect not becuase of thire skin color, it is due to their behavior.
这个不是前阵子被人拍成渣渣的马路杀手么
求科普link?
求科普link?
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&topicid=1454155&page=0&star=4
37楼开始，陆续有引用
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37楼开始，陆续有引用
what a phony, huge hypocrite
也别说那么多，为了显示你不歧视黑人，干脆住进黑人区啊。孩子送去黑人多的daycare啊。
为什么我为了不歧视他们就住黑人区？你的point在哪里？
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&topicid=1454155&page=0&star=4
37楼开始，陆续有引用
你赶紧的去死啊
要是去年发生这事他就不敢这么赤裸裸的说话做事了，这厮现在是毫无顾忌，赤脚上阵了。
怀疑他从小到大受过不少歧视，内心对美国是充满憎恨的。
you can google his pastor Jeremiah wright's speech, those famous public "god d*n America" speeches. This is what he grew up with.
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你赶紧的去死啊
大夏天的MM火气不要那么高~~~
为什么我为了不歧视他们就住黑人区？你的point在哪里？
point就是，你不歧视他们就跟他们打成一团，不要远离黑哥们啊！
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&topicid=1454155&page=0&star=4
37楼开始，陆续有引用
谢谢link，刚看完，叫她马路杀手真的很贴切！
反正也不选了，尽情撒 泼吧
一帮自己是SB还歧视黑人的华人大妈。。。
以下是引用骗吃骗喝的小猪在7/20/2013 6:41:00 pm的发言：
http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?boardid=331&topicid=1454155&page=0&star=4
37楼开始，陆续有引用