hahaha this is very true.... not only I need long time to warm up, but i also prefer how I get warm up.... If possible, I warmup before the match somewhere else before going to the match. I guess that's the advantage of home court-- being able to allocate time better...
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】 : another issue i've found: : formist usually need a longer good warmup. : the contrary to formist likes to take advantage of this and give a crap : warmup. : also I think formist get in to the match much slower that's why i hate the 8 : game pro set match. : the issue is formist needs to hit through the ball, hit out and free to have : their advantage. And this requires they they are mentally and physically : free and relaxed.
formist confirmed both of us!!! shake hands 【 在 blacklodoss (flyingChopStick) 的大作中提到: 】 : hahaha this is very true.... not only I need long time to warm up, but i : also prefer how I get warm up.... If possible, I warmup before the match : somewhere else before going to the match. I guess that's the advantage of : home court-- being able to allocate time better... : 8 : have
Of course. I always choose to let formist to serve first. I always offer to start the match whenever he is ready. I don't need warmup at all.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】 : another issue i've found: : formist usually need a longer good warmup. : the contrary to formist likes to take advantage of this and give a crap : warmup. : also I think formist get in to the match much slower that's why i hate the 8 : game pro set match. : the issue is formist needs to hit through the ball, hit out and free to have : their advantage. And this requires they they are mentally and physically : free and relaxed.
lol, good we discussed this now I can deal with this better.
formist is such a nonsense name.
lets categorize to
technician:动作派 strategist:ws派
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】 : Of course. I always choose to let formist to serve first. : I always offer to start the match whenever he is ready. I don't need warmup : at all. : 8 : have
it is actually nice of u to offer so, many will do 1minute warmup with you and then start the match. for a short match it is terrible for these slow to get in the match.
for a 3 setter, it is fine, 1st set is warmup.
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】 : Of course. I always choose to let formist to serve first. : I always offer to start the match whenever he is ready. I don't need warmup : at all. : 8 : have
That beautifies ws派。 Strategist = 策略家, CEO, etc. technician = 做实验的
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】 : lol, good we discussed this now I can deal with this better. : formist is such a nonsense name. : lets categorize to : technician:动作派 : strategist:ws派 : warmup
i find these kind practice happens more at lower level, because they want to win the match, they want to use any advantage they can get. At higher level, most players are much better at preparing themselves, and they prefer to have a good match instead a pointless win. This goes with line call too...
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】 : it is actually nice of u to offer so, many will do 1minute warmup with you : and then start the match. for a short match it is terrible for these slow to : get in the match. : for a 3 setter, it is fine, 1st set is warmup. : warmup
I didn't mean to be nice. The whole warmup, as u said, I just feed them junk balls, or deliberately hit low% winners. The only purpose of warmup for me is to disguise my game. Once match starts, everything will be 180 degrees different, lol.
The main reason is really I don't need warmup. It doesn't help me at all. It's a waste of time.
It's not just me. I usually use historical results to judge opponents' strength. If someone is strong, but in warmup he is horrible, I already know I will lose.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】 : it is actually nice of u to offer so, many will do 1minute warmup with you : and then start the match. for a short match it is terrible for these slow to : get in the match. : for a 3 setter, it is fine, 1st set is warmup. : warmup
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】 : I didn't mean to be nice. The whole warmup, as u said, I just feed them : junk balls, or deliberately hit low% winners. The only purpose of warmup : for me is to disguise my game. Once match starts, everything will be 180 : degrees different, lol. : The main reason is really I don't need warmup. It doesn't help me at all. : It's a waste of time. : It's not just me. I usually use historical results to judge opponents' : strength. If someone is strong, but in warmup he is horrible, I already : know I will lose. : to
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】 : No, once I feel I have high enough %, I will start to use that stroke. : It's just my threshold is higher than 动作派。 : I.e., I may already have the same technique as a 动作派 but am still : unwilling to use the stroke. : I practice those strokes when playing lower (or higher) level opponents : since I win (or lose) anyway.
Really? They are actually too low power. Now I switched to oversize, LOL.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】 : used my term skill and saw some of your video kennyd, : I think your issue is your racket and string, they are too powerful and : loose, --- equipmentist
sigh... definition of power is different for us.. 【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】 : Really? They are actually too low power. Now I switched to oversize, LOL.
idk maybe the synthetic gut, i tried syngut once in my radical mp with 58lbs but it is way too powerful for me to control. also ur racket is stiffer than mine 65 vs 57. weight is slightly lighter, HL is less than mine.
That racket is better for ws style. Before I went there I already knew zhanglaosan's topspin style and decided to use ws game.
That year I rotated among 5 rackets and no two were the same. Head sizes vary from 85-107.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】 : idk maybe the synthetic gut, i tried syngut once in my radical mp with 58lbs : but it is way too powerful for me to control. also ur racket is stiffer : than mine 65 vs 57.
just to make sure i saw right video you are in black short,yellow shirt? 【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】 : That racket is better for ws style. Before I went there I already knew : zhanglaosan's topspin style and decided to use ws game. : That year I rotated among 5 rackets and no two were the same. Head sizes : vary from 85-107. : 58lbs
你就属于很典型的动作派。动作派不可能特别注重输赢，只注意“正确的”去打。
也就是说会为了正确而去UE. 就按照这个定义，就从字面上已经可以看出ws派
有平均NTRP更高的倾向了。
偶的意思就是，如果把所有选手分成两类，不是动作派就是ws派，那么ws派平均
等级稍高。
【 在 blacklodoss (flyingChopStick) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我猜想你是把那些想打成老费或pro那样的WSN都归为动作派吧. 按你这么分， 大部分
: 打球的人都是动作派。 我觉得大多数人没有什么派， 就是打球的人， 要归入什么派
: 的， 该都是对网球，对比赛更加认真专注的那种, 特别注重输赢的， 特别注重
: improve technique的。 从这个基本面我们的归类就有分歧了。
also prefer how I get warm up.... If possible, I warmup before the match
somewhere else before going to the match. I guess that's the advantage of
home court-- being able to allocate time better...
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: another issue i've found:
: formist usually need a longer good warmup.
: the contrary to formist likes to take advantage of this and give a crap
: warmup.
: also I think formist get in to the match much slower that's why i hate the 8
: game pro set match.
: the issue is formist needs to hit through the ball, hit out and free to
have
: their advantage. And this requires they they are mentally and physically : free and relaxed.
【 在 zhanglaosan (张老三) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我队友，很努力，每周集体“训练”都出现，跟他聊天，他说他已经“十几年”了，一
: 直参加这个weekly训练
: 双打low 3.5，单打high 3.0。不过人家打得也很开心，呵呵
: 还有个队友，日本老头，也很努力，身体素质貌似比我还强点，也是千年3.0。他老婆
: ，娃娃脸，我曾经真心以为30多，不过后来发现近看还是仔细能分辨出脸上的
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【 在 blacklodoss (flyingChopStick) 的大作中提到: 】
: hahaha this is very true.... not only I need long time to warm up, but i
: also prefer how I get warm up.... If possible, I warmup before the match
: somewhere else before going to the match. I guess that's the advantage of : home court-- being able to allocate time better...
: 8
: have
I always offer to start the match whenever he is ready. I don't need warmup
at all.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: another issue i've found:
: formist usually need a longer good warmup.
: the contrary to formist likes to take advantage of this and give a crap
: warmup.
: also I think formist get in to the match much slower that's why i hate the 8
: game pro set match.
: the issue is formist needs to hit through the ball, hit out and free to
have
: their advantage. And this requires they they are mentally and physically : free and relaxed.
formist is such a nonsense name.
lets categorize to
technician:动作派
strategist:ws派
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: Of course. I always choose to let formist to serve first.
: I always offer to start the match whenever he is ready. I don't need
warmup
: at all.
: 8
: have
and then start the match. for a short match it is terrible for these slow to get in the match.
for a 3 setter, it is fine, 1st set is warmup.
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: Of course. I always choose to let formist to serve first.
: I always offer to start the match whenever he is ready. I don't need
warmup
: at all.
: 8
: have
Strategist = 策略家, CEO, etc.
technician = 做实验的
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: lol, good we discussed this now I can deal with this better.
: formist is such a nonsense name.
: lets categorize to
: technician:动作派
: strategist:ws派
: warmup
什么叫“为了正确而去UE”？你到底知道什么是“正确”吗？ 如果真的是正确而导致
了UE， 我觉得这是完全正确的。 很多你所谓动作派的UE并不是为了正确， 往往是他
们错误的决定导致了 UE, 但在你眼里这些都是为了“正确”。。。
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: 偶不觉得有什么分歧。
: 你就属于很典型的动作派。动作派不可能特别注重输赢，只注意“正确的”去打。
: 也就是说会为了正确而去UE. 就按照这个定义，就从字面上已经可以看出ws派
: 有平均NTRP更高的倾向了。
: 偶的意思就是，如果把所有选手分成两类，不是动作派就是ws派，那么ws派平均
: 等级稍高。
所以你不打到4.5就自责吧，哈哈
【 在 FakePro (Fake_Pro) 的大作中提到: 】
: 一句话总结：进步是辛苦的。
: 两句话总结：光看见贼吃肉，没看见贼挨打。
: 4.
: 上4
两句话总结：光看见贼吃肉，没看见贼挨打。
【 在 Junzhao (moonmask) 的大作中提到: 】
: 最近jjch和野战军的视频引起班上眼球无数，特别是野战军对caps的挑战更是引来无说
: 板砖。所谓好帖，精帖，月经贴，末过于此了。
: 期间看到有个同学评论了一句话，这里引用一下：
: “你找个好点的私人教练，跟着练 一年，估计也就 $5000 左右 我就不信你打不到 4.
: 0,
: 4.0 其实是个网球的很 一般的水平。 5.0 以上比较难，需要投入很多的时间。”
: 这位同学大体的意思是只要你愿意花钱，愿意投入，网球上4.0不过是顺手捏来。不仅
: 如此，让像我这样一直在3.5徘徊的wsn更郁闷的是，不说银子花了多少，以时间换空间
: ，打了这么多年，连网球一般水平也到不到，这天花板也太高了。
: 请班上4.0及以上的同学有空谈谈体会，到底要怎样，比如多久，花多少银子，才能
上4
: ...................
have a good match instead a pointless win. This goes with line call too...
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: it is actually nice of u to offer so, many will do 1minute warmup with you
: and then start the match. for a short match it is terrible for these slow to
: get in the match.
: for a 3 setter, it is fine, 1st set is warmup.
: warmup
比例不多吧。
纯Casual player的话偶觉得讨论NTRP没多少意义吧。NTRP本来就是competition指数。
为了正确去UE是一个思路问题。WS派percentage不高的shots是不敢用的。比如偶很
ws，有些明明应该drive的球故意求稳不drive，所以就降低了UE的机会。一个高压球，偶会轻pat过去，动作派会不齿这样做。
【 在 blacklodoss (flyingChopStick) 的大作中提到: 】
: 为什么就一定得分为两类？ 为什么就没有一类是casual play?
: 什么叫“为了正确而去UE”？你到底知道什么是“正确”吗？ 如果真的是正确而导致
: 了UE， 我觉得这是完全正确的。 很多你所谓动作派的UE并不是为了正确， 往往是他
: 们错误的决定导致了 UE, 但在你眼里这些都是为了“正确”。。。
【 在 zhanglaosan (张老三) 的大作中提到: 】
: 根据你的美国游记，可以看出你也是身体条件很好的
: 所以你不打到4.5就自责吧，哈哈
【 在 FakePro (Fake_Pro) 的大作中提到: 】
: 三年前，俺可以踢30分钟+30分钟大场足球，可以左右脚射门。现在都只能跑15+15分钟
: 了。而且跑个20米，连球都传不出了。一年不如一年啊。
junk balls, or deliberately hit low% winners. The only purpose of warmup
for me is to disguise my game. Once match starts, everything will be 180
degrees different, lol.
The main reason is really I don't need warmup. It doesn't help me at all.
It's a waste of time.
It's not just me. I usually use historical results to judge opponents'
strength. If someone is strong, but in warmup he is horrible, I already
know I will lose.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: it is actually nice of u to offer so, many will do 1minute warmup with you
: and then start the match. for a short match it is terrible for these slow to
: get in the match.
: for a 3 setter, it is fine, 1st set is warmup.
: warmup
“比如偶很ws，有些明明应该drive的球故意求稳不drive，”
这可能会限制你自己的水平发展。
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: 所有USTA players. 就是说多少还是competitive的。里面确实还有一些casual的，
: 比例不多吧。
: 纯Casual player的话偶觉得讨论NTRP没多少意义吧。NTRP本来就是competition指数。
: 为了正确去UE是一个思路问题。WS派percentage不高的shots是不敢用的。比如偶很
: ws，有些明明应该drive的球故意求稳不drive，所以就降低了UE的机会。一个高压球，
: 偶会轻pat过去，动作派会不齿这样做。
It's just my threshold is higher than 动作派。
I.e., I may already have the same technique as a 动作派 but am still
unwilling to use the stroke.
I practice those strokes when playing lower (or higher) level opponents
since I win (or lose) anyway.
【 在 blacklodoss (flyingChopStick) 的大作中提到: 】
: 所以说你把go for low percentage shot 的人都归为动作派了。
: “比如偶很ws，有些明明应该drive的球故意求稳不drive，”
: 这可能会限制你自己的水平发展。
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: I didn't mean to be nice. The whole warmup, as u said, I just feed them
: junk balls, or deliberately hit low% winners. The only purpose of warmup
: for me is to disguise my game. Once match starts, everything will be 180
: degrees different, lol.
: The main reason is really I don't need warmup. It doesn't help me at all.
: It's a waste of time.
: It's not just me. I usually use historical results to judge opponents'
: strength. If someone is strong, but in warmup he is horrible, I already
: know I will lose.
: to
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: No, once I feel I have high enough %, I will start to use that stroke.
: It's just my threshold is higher than 动作派。
: I.e., I may already have the same technique as a 动作派 but am still
: unwilling to use the stroke.
: I practice those strokes when playing lower (or higher) level opponents
: since I win (or lose) anyway.
【 在 blacklodoss (flyingChopStick) 的大作中提到: 】
: 唉， 我朋友才是真正动作派的典型。 我还是太WS, 可能也是因为开始没有请教练的原
: 因吧。
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: 偶是杯具ws派。偶最怕动作比对方好还输了，结果屡屡发生。。。
比如warmup发球，偶经常3个全下网，然后说Ok, I am done.
【 在 slice (汝有用精神为下贱戏子所耗，何昏愚至此) 的大作中提到: 】
: 真要这么干，不太道德吧。真金白银的ATP也没人这么干啊。
我WARMUP第一个发球如果顺利地重重砸在界内，是一个
非常不好的兆头，表示今天活动开了以后发球很难发进……
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: 偶需要一个动力不这么干。Warmup对偶没作用。
: 比如warmup发球，偶经常3个全下网，然后说Ok, I am done.
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: 偶需要一个动力不这么干。Warmup对偶没作用。
: 比如warmup发球，偶经常3个全下网，然后说Ok, I am done.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: do u have video on this board?
I injured my shoulder."
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: 偶需要一个动力不这么干。Warmup对偶没作用。
: 比如warmup发球，偶经常3个全下网，然后说Ok, I am done.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: do u have video on this board?
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: vs zhanglaosan
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: link? that would be good.
【 在 ken213 ((° ο°)[email protected]) 的大作中提到: 】
: 想很快上4.0，不要当暴力男，推荐pusher/moonballer/counter puncher打法，多打比
: 赛花些时间，很快就4.0了
I think your issue is your racket and string, they are too powerful and
loose, --- equipmentist
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: used my term skill and saw some of your video kennyd,
: I think your issue is your racket and string, they are too powerful and
: loose, --- equipmentist
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: Really? They are actually too low power. Now I switched to oversize, LOL.
What is your definition? And guess what racket specs I used against
zhanglaosan?
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: sigh... definition of power is different for us..
no what spec did u use?
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: ???
: What is your definition? And guess what racket specs I used against
: zhanglaosan?
It is the Prestige MP mold (same string pattern too) but not a Prestige.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: or threshold not definition.
: no what spec did u use?
than mine 65 vs 57.
weight is slightly lighter, HL is less than mine.
zhanglaosan's topspin style and decided to use ws game.
That year I rotated among 5 rackets and no two were the same. Head sizes
vary from 85-107.
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: idk maybe the synthetic gut, i tried syngut once in my radical mp with
58lbs
: but it is way too powerful for me to control. also ur racket is stiffer
: than mine 65 vs 57.
【 在 KennyD (|-==-|) 的大作中提到: 】
: That racket is better for ws style. Before I went there I already knew
: zhanglaosan's topspin style and decided to use ws game.
: That year I rotated among 5 rackets and no two were the same. Head sizes
: vary from 85-107.
: 58lbs
【 在 harrison (ok) 的大作中提到: 】
: just to make sure i saw right video you are in black short,yellow shirt?
还偏上.
为什么打个折扣，就是我觉得我的反手 威力够大, 但是稳定性 欠缺。我发球也需要进一步增加稳定性。. 我现在猛练 volley, 自我感觉 volley 进步很多。明年春天 准
备 进入 前 3, 呵呵。
其实真的就是 花钱 找个好的 教练加 陪练，一定要长期，一年为限。 和自己水平相
当的人打球，不太会有长进的。
而且，训练的强度 一定要大。我的教练有一个特点，就是他 feed 的ball 力量很大，而且频率高，这也是为什么很多 5.0 , 5.5 的 找他做 trainer, 我第一次和他练
volley, 10 分钟我就趴下了，他说那个是 college 5.0 的训练强度，人的适应能力
很强，我痛苦一段时间后，现在适应了， 马上就自我感觉上了台阶。
【 在 Junzhao (moonmask) 的大作中提到: 】
: 那就算我看错了，虽然在那个帖子里我也没看到你说的前提。就算你说的前提1成立，
: 对于大了n年的wsn，也不是你花了银子，请了教练，就可以轻松上4.0的。
: 另外，你当时的回答说4.0是网球的一般水平，我觉得这句话说得过于离谱。所以才开
: 了帖子，看看其他同学的反应。从班上同学这些回复看，成为一个4.0最少的1.5年，最
: 多的是永远都没希望。更别提什么银子，教练，还有许多这里你自己也提到的场外练的
: 因素。
: 也有个同学提到了，3.5是平均，4.0是25%。他说大多数人根本达不到。
: 黑道说的比较多，说得也较为客观，就是一个wsn，只要愿意，3-5内应该可以达到4.0.
: 网球是个看似容易，实际上非常难搞好的东东。对于众多的动作派3.0-3.5， 相信从野
: 战军最近的热帖里应该可以看到，除了把球打好看以外，有太多的因素可以促进或局限
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【 在 wawabaobao (小虫) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我估计我应该是很 solid 3.75, 我在 local 4.0 club 里，一般排名 居中. 有时候
: 还偏上.
: 为什么打个折扣，就是我觉得我的反手 威力够大, 但是稳定性 欠缺。我发球也需要进
: 一步增加稳定性。. 我现在猛练 volley, 自我感觉 volley 进步很多。明年春天 准
: 备 进入 前 3, 呵呵。
: 其实真的就是 花钱 找个好的 教练加 陪练，一定要长期，一年为限。 和自己水平相
: 当的人打球，不太会有长进的。
: 而且，训练的强度 一定要大。我的教练有一个特点，就是他 feed 的ball 力量很大，
: 而且频率高，这也是为什么很多 5.0 , 5.5 的 找他做 trainer, 我第一次和他练
: volley, 10 分钟我就趴下了，他说那个是 college 5.0 的训练强度，人的适应能力
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: 最近jjch和野战军的视频引起班上眼球无数，特别是野战军对caps的挑战更是引来无说
: 板砖。所谓好帖，精帖，月经贴，末过于此了。
: 期间看到有个同学评论了一句话，这里引用一下：
: “你找个好点的私人教练，跟着练 一年，估计也就 $5000 左右 我就不信你打不到 4.
: 0,
: 4.0 其实是个网球的很 一般的水平。 5.0 以上比较难，需要投入很多的时间。”
: 这位同学大体的意思是只要你愿意花钱，愿意投入，网球上4.0不过是顺手捏来。不仅
: 如此，让像我这样一直在3.5徘徊的wsn更郁闷的是，不说银子花了多少，以时间换空间
: ，打了这么多年，连网球一般水平也到不到，这天花板也太高了。
: 请班上4.0及以上的同学有空谈谈体会，到底要怎样，比如多久，花多少银子，才能
上4
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我每天基本花一个小时的时间看video，教学视频或是pro的training或是slow motion
，，，
每周打6-8小时 最近单反终于有点模样了 够ws吧
网球其实耐力好的人绝对优势
【 在 Junzhao (moonmask) 的大作中提到: 】
: 最近jjch和野战军的视频引起班上眼球无数，特别是野战军对caps的挑战更是引来无说
: 板砖。所谓好帖，精帖，月经贴，末过于此了。
: 期间看到有个同学评论了一句话，这里引用一下：
: “你找个好点的私人教练，跟着练 一年，估计也就 $5000 左右 我就不信你打不到 4.
: 0,
: 4.0 其实是个网球的很 一般的水平。 5.0 以上比较难，需要投入很多的时间。”
: 这位同学大体的意思是只要你愿意花钱，愿意投入，网球上4.0不过是顺手捏来。不仅
: 如此，让像我这样一直在3.5徘徊的wsn更郁闷的是，不说银子花了多少，以时间换空间
: ，打了这么多年，连网球一般水平也到不到，这天花板也太高了。
: 请班上4.0及以上的同学有空谈谈体会，到底要怎样，比如多久，花多少银子，才能
上4
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