疫苗的效果

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TBz
楼主 (文学城)

美国目前新增死亡几乎所有都未接种疫苗;

超过85.3万住院,完全接种的“突破病例”约占0.1%;

5月份的18000例死亡,其中只有150例是完全接种的,只占约0.8%

 

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TBz
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in U.S. are now among unvaccinated pe

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in U.S. are now among unvaccinated people

你按这个标题Google一下,我也是看到中文然后用这样的方法找到的。

 

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fuz
Sources

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/06/24/99-of-people-killed-by-covid-last-month-were-unvaccinated-analysis-finds/?sh=e97a7c6f049a

Center for Disease Control and Prevention data reviewed by AP showed just 150 of the more than 18,000 Covid-19 deaths in May resulted from “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people. 

In other words, 99.2% of the people who died from Covid-19 last month weren’t fully vaccinated against the virus. 

The same trend was true with hospitalizations: Fewer than 1,200 of the 853,000 people hospitalized last month were fully vaccinated against the virus.


 

https://www.newsweek.com/model-suggests-covid-deaths-mostly-unvaccinated-could-reach-1k-day-2022-1603878

Recent modeling suggests the U.S will hit 1,000 deaths per day again in 2022, according to a professor of health metrics sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle.

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren't vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day—now down to under 300—could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.
 

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that "breakthrough" infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That's about 0.1 percent. And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8 percent, or five deaths per day on average.

The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data.

 

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Anjiff
reliable source在这边中学project也是第一要素 不然整个fail
T
TBz
你有所不知

我是故意的,换句话说,挖坑。

 

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julie116
然后cdc 的某斯基发言人督促大家打马德纳
原上草2017
不是刷屏? 为什么不把你的观点放在一个帖子里面?需要一个帖子写1,2句话吗?
业余城管
是风险和收益权衡的结果,没有风险是零的疫苗。

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-heart-inflammation-teens-myocarditis/

The FDA on Wednesday said it plans to add a warning to Pfizer and Moderna vaccines after a CDC advisory panel said data suggests a "likely association" between the vaccines and rare cases of heart inflammation in adolescents and young adults. Despite the warning, doctors and researchers say they still strongly recommend that all Americans 12 and older get vaccinated, noting that the heart problems are uncommon and in most cases very mild. 

业余城管
如果人人接种新冠疫苗,就基本上没人会因为感染新冠病死了。

方舟子推文:”五月份美国共有1200名完成新冠疫苗接种的人被新冠感染后住院,占同期新冠住院病人的0.1%。另外有150名完成新冠疫苗接种后被新冠感染死亡,占同期新冠死亡病例的0.8%。这些完成疫苗接种后仍然被感染住院或死亡的人绝大部分(77%)是老人。如果人人接种新冠疫苗,就基本上没人会病死了。”

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willows
谁爱打谁打,反正我就是不打
T
TBz
有没有死亡的案例?

那几个主流媒体有没有报道?

 

T
TBz
我没有要排除什么,而是质疑你推理的严谨性。

那个“导致”是你自己说的吧?

 

姬文伽
这个是美联社的报道。链接见贴内。你还可以去看看CDC的数据,核实一下。

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

CDC统计,五月份因新冠住院的人有85万3千人;其中完全打过疫苗的是一千二百人。五月份因新冠而死的有1万8千人,其中完全打过疫苗的只有一百五十人。

文章里面还引用了CDC Director 的原话:

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said on Tuesday that the vaccine is so effective that “nearly every death, especially among adults, due to COVID-19, is, at this point, entirely preventable.” She called such deaths “particularly tragic.”

 

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TBz
再说一遍,我没有要排除什么,而是质疑你上面说的“导致”。

你说的“导致”,是怎样推断出来的?

 

T
TBz
仅仅凭着时间顺序,不能推断成因果关系。
姬文伽
这个,我想在美国的成年人,应该大部分都打过疫苗了。我的两针辉瑞上个月初就打完了。

在我的生活环境里,对疫苗充满疑虑的、拒绝打的,好像还没有。

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TBz
据我所知,美国还没有发现因注射疫苗引起心肌炎最后死亡的案例

但我知道,5月份的18000例新冠死亡,其中有99.2%没有完全接种疫苗。

 

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julie116
那怎么解释那些打完宅家里还新冠阳性死去的例子呢?
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julie116
可怕的就是这些忽略一切孤注一掷地决定
业余城管
可能是很不幸属于疫苗无效的那5%到人群?打了疫苗跟没打一个样,没有抗体产生。
法眼
前段时间有个统计数据,打了疫苗后仍然感染病毒死亡的,死者平均年龄82岁;另一统计数据说,老年人打疫苗后许多没产生足够抗体。
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swj2000
谢谢。所以如果方便,打完14天后去测下抗体,会比较放心。
法眼
测一下抗体,会比较放心;如果是小孩或年轻人,打第一针后过两周测一下抗体,如果已产生足够抗体,我个人认为不必打第二针。
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julie116
没疫苗时死亡的也大多是这个年龄段
法眼
没疫苗时,死的什么年龄段的都有,我知道的人就有两人是60刚出头,我这附近还死了一个20多岁感染病毒的收银员。
T
TBz
注意到你已经修改了上面自己的帖子

改了就是好同志,可教。

 

风娉
+1 生死由命,天意难改。生死轮回,一切皆有定数,更何况再好的医生亦只能医病,怎医得了命?
业余城管
言之有理。但没有公开透明信息并不能全怪韭菜,更可悲的是一些有公开透明信息来源却执着于疫苗阴谋论者就是不相信科学。
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julie116
我附近超市七十多老太太一直坚守岗位。一个病毒学家

说目前没有足够的分析。就是一股劲儿朝100%目标挺进。我相信他知道他在说什么