看看犹太和东亚家庭教育的共同点和区别

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mjnew
楼主 (文学城)

There are some interesting parallels and contrasts between Jewish and Eastern Asian family education styles when it comes to pushing kids for success. Here's a breakdown:

Shared Values:

Importance of Education: Both cultures place a high value on education, viewing it as a key to a fulfilling life and social mobility. Hard Work and Discipline: Diligence and perseverance are emphasized. Kids are encouraged to put in the effort to achieve their goals. Parental Involvement: Parents are actively involved in their children's education, monitoring progress and providing support.

Jewish Approach:

Lifelong Learning: The concept of "lifelong learning" (Lifelong Learning in Hebrew is "Limmud L'Hayyim") is central. Education is seen as a continuous journey, not just for school. Questioning and Debate: Jewish culture encourages questioning and respectful debate. Kids are expected to think critically and form their own opinions. Cultural Identity and Values: Jewish families often emphasize their cultural heritage and values alongside academic achievement.

Eastern Asian Approach:

Emphasis on Standardized Tests: Many Eastern Asian cultures place a strong emphasis on standardized tests, with success seen as a reflection on both the child and the family. Respect for Authority: Respect for teachers and elders is highly valued. Students are expected to follow instructions and focus on mastering established knowledge. Tiger Parenting: The term "Tiger Parenting" is often associated with some Eastern Asian styles, emphasizing strict discipline and high expectations.
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mjnew
具体犹太家庭如何做

Jewish family education has a rich tradition of nurturing lifelong learning, debate, and critical thinking, all woven into the fabric of daily life and religious practice. Here are some key aspects:

Torah Study: The Torah, the foundational Jewish text, is seen as a living document open to interpretation and debate. Families might study Torah together, with each member offering their perspective. Questioning Everything: Judaism encourages questioning, even of established authorities. The Talmud, a vast collection of Jewish commentary and law, is full of debates between rabbis on seemingly minute details, reflecting the importance of examining all angles. Love of Learning (Lifelong Learning - Limmud L'Hayyim): The pursuit of knowledge for its own sake is highly valued. Jewish families might participate in ongoing learning groups or classes, even outside of formal schooling. Everyday Learning: Jewish traditions and rituals offer opportunities for learning throughout the day. Blessings recited before meals, bedtime stories with moral lessons, and discussions about holidays all contribute to a lifelong learning mindset. Debate as a Skill: The ability to debate respectfully and logically is considered an important skill. Families might debate current events, ethical dilemmas, or even the best way to prepare a traditional dish!

Here are some specific examples of how Jewish families might foster these skills:

Shabbat Dinner Discussions: Lively discussions around the Shabbat dinner table are a common tradition. Current events, religious questions, or even philosophical ideas can be debated in a respectful and stimulating way. Learning from Rabbis and Teachers: Rabbis and teachers are seen as facilitators of learning, not just transmitters of information. Children are encouraged to ask questions and challenge ideas presented. Holiday Observances: Holidays like Passover, with its tradition of the Seder meal, encourage asking questions and exploring the meaning behind rituals.   It's important to remember: This is a tradition, not a rigid set of rules. How families implement these practices will vary. The emphasis is on creating a stimulating environment where questioning, exploration, and debate are encouraged. Jewish education aims not just for academic success but also for developing well-rounded individuals who can think critically and engage with the world around them.
成功的小羊
Lifelong Learning,这是我养娃一直强调的点。
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windyLL
最重要的区别是犹太人尊重孩子是个独立的个体,决定自己的行为和未来。而东亚文化里孩子永远是孩子,需要听话。
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compassionKL
每个行业都需要lifelong learner吧?哪个行业能一劳永逸的?
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windyLL
另外一个是犹太人对自己community的重视和维护,互相提携帮助,孩子从小就学到这一点。
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mjnew
他们比较assertive, 很少有退缩的。有时候会觉得有些人比较烦,小利益也要。但这也许反映出从小训练的结果
成功的小羊
在美国长大的孩子,我觉得有大不同。传统的东亚文化对他们的影响不大,不用过于担心。
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windyLL
我看到的是影响很大,到了大学很多孩子已经成型了,从小被东亚文化教出来的就是不一样。
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STEMkid
坛子里翻来覆去都是捧赚钱的职业,算性价比,名校文科生工资低还被踩。相比之下犹太人学文科的非常多,呵呵
大观园的贾探春
这个来自他们的宗教信仰。孩子成年礼b mitzvah 12或13岁之后就是对上帝负责。
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mjnew
是的,最后结果是leader比较少。做大的也少。尤其金融公司,犹太人创办了很多,亚裔创办的很少。现在Quant,华裔从业

从业人员很多,紫檀天天叫Quant的40万。但10年后,如果还是东亚人干活,其他人管理,那真是东亚人悲剧

这么多从业基数,好歹有几个出来自己做呗?

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Numero
很有意思的现象。讲亚裔东亚孩子如何听话不行,但是却独独不包括自己家。都是别人肚子里的蛔虫

知道别人的心思

想改变,从自己做起不就好了?

 

天意悠悠
新一代的华人应该会有不一样的教育理念吧
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Midwestrural
自己的娃是一定要听自己的话的, 否则不就是反了嘛, 那怎么行...哈哈
成功的飞过
所以犹太人掌控天下啊。好不容易进了T5,学Data Science,多浪费机会吗
成功的77
哈哈哈。好几个ID是来教化子坛的
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windyLL
这么玻璃心。你就是典型的讨论问题不会就事论事,非要人身攻击,好好学习一下犹太人怎么教孩子debate吧。
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Numero
啊?你是玻璃心吧,紫檀经常这样啊,你为什么往自己身上联想?好为人师

是人的本性,紫檀常见现象

成功的兔
我家俩都不听,推己及人,我觉得别人家的也不太听,所以受东亚文化影响不大,更多是美国文化
成功的小羊
我就是用妈宝的方法来养孩子的,紫檀的反例,但是孩子也没什么问题,社会大环境(学校,同学)的影响似乎更大。
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compassionKL
你们这也有些偏激了!犹太人各行各业都有精英。难道小钟就必须学文科才能掌控天下?人家就不能学stem?
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Midwestrural
其实我也希望娃能听我的, 但是现在是我听她们的...没办法啊..哈哈
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Numero
谁也说服不了谁的,其实是浪费时间 LOL
成功的兔
一样,所以我很羡慕贝勒啊 :)
成功的飞过
说实话,华裔局限性很大,别说跟犹太裔比,比烙印都差远了。我认识烙印,儿子上沃顿,不会推什么矿工,而是推儿子去H博士进联储
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julie116
Questioning everything 我们这一代也有
成功的小羊
我还是觉得你要调整,我们会对某些事情有更强烈的看法,但是孩子成年以后,要尽量在孩子面前弱化这一点。
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Numero
想起来了,你喜欢贬低那些数学竞赛娃,拿相貌说事,我倒是反驳过几次,你说我在对号入座

其实跟我家孩子啥关系没有

只是看不惯这种贬低别家孩子尤其是小中男的论调

每个孩子都有长短处,这个世界上远远不只是一种人才

你应该学学美国文化中的容纳不同和宽容精神

凊荷
紫檀父母question一切

debate skills 杠杠滴

成功的77
我们差不多,宝得很。以前有些沉迷游戏问题,近一年来成长蛮大,有点放心了。peers对她影响确实大,今年她开始explor

explore 未来可能的职业,应该和她的伙伴们的兴趣也有一定关系。

小松松
哈哈哈哈,我女儿在小学时就把线给划下来了:要讲道理咱就掰开揉碎地讲道理,以理服人。家长作风在我家行不通。她不买帐。
成功的77
哈哈哈。
我是谁的谁
你说的是。但是我不希望他们只会那么点吃饭的skills
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lookforward
我以前也说过,周围进名校的小中男除了零星学医的其余都是CS,认识的小印都是商法,学医的都在T30里
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Numero
贝勒家是刚好家长跟孩子很一致,孩子有那方面天赋,是顺水推舟。
兔快跑吧
不作矿工去做政府工?
我是谁的谁
所以他们在政商两界快速崛起掌握话语权
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lookforward
家长为孩子选专业就能看出来,求稳最重要,避开高风险高回报的方向。。不过小中还是进步一些
小松松
那肯定的。让贝勒推推我家娃试试?什么成果也不会有lol
小松松
百花齐放呗。
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Numero
其实犹太家庭教育跟华人有很多相似之处。你说的这些东亚的特点,都是上辈子的老黄历了

现在上心的父母,有知识的人,都是不断在学习如何做父母的

0孩子一起,一边纠错,一边成长

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Lucky2022
+1, 小印差一点的就学医,本医连读,因材施教,走政法商的是更优秀的一批人
两女宝妈
我都怀疑我是犹太人附体了
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julie116
一部分犹太本来就是华裔和欧裔的混合体
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weed123
不见得,有多少新一代华人重视“Questioning and Debat”?倒是看到一些烙印重视这个。