我的“极端”理论：关于科学，哲学，心理学……

 

楼下我的老对头糯米又在胡言乱语抛砖引玉了，文化呢总是2分钱、但却和这里很多人一样，比较神话“哲学”。作为挂在宇宙的土豆，算了算了，周末下手轻一些，“俄罗斯必胜”放在以后再发，今天聊聊土豆的分类吧。

我认为，科学就是数理化以及延申出的各种交杂性学科，如生物化学等，总而言之是可以量化、有公式、可以明确逻辑推导的东东，这个推导不依赖于个人的思想观念的倾向性/选择性。

至于哲学社会学心理学，甚至包括文学经济学，所有这一类我称之为“人文学科”，完全独立于（并不对立）上述科学的另一个系统，简单讲就是理科文科吧，我不把她归类于科学，这决不是贬低这类学问，而是不想被一部分人借用科学之名去（妖言）惑众，比方讲Pierre-Joseph Proudhon提出的“Scientific socialism”……后来出现了把马克思主义理论作为“科学的思想体系”，并用宪法确立其地位……惨不忍睹……（人们对科学两字有先入为主的神圣向往）

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_socialism

这里得加一句，数理化科学类中数学是最神奇的，她是一切的基础/工具；但在人文学科中，只有出现早晚的问题，没有哪个更神圣或最高级的问题，互相都可以是连环套。

接下来，这两块学问有连接吗？我觉得就是医学，医学是连接这两大块独立学问的学问/知识，解剖神经元脑电波等这类还是属于理科科学类，但“心理care”这方向的就偏向于人文了，毕竟这又牵涉到当事人的一些哲学神学信仰等问题……

上次讲到“女性/普京/战争/崇拜”，糯米问我“样本”……我在想，心理学老祖宗弗洛伊德/荣格等人，他们当初有几个样本？？

翻白眼是唯一的回答……

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我不表态等着看糯米回你

有点怕了~~

最早把Science翻成科学的，大概感到很新奇，嗯？老外还可以这样学习？把世界分成一科一科的？翻译成“科”学好了。

怕啥？还能吃了你？淀粉含量那么高

哎，糯米就喜欢戳气管，然后自己接气，哦不，受气 :))

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以表示尊老

读到你写的糯米又来胡言乱语，文化总是2分钱，忍不住笑出声来。其实古人说的“草蛇灰线，伏脉千里”挺有道理的，每个人的发言风格，感兴趣的话题，体现的后面的知识积累，还有所体现的personality, 都非常有迹可循的。

“One must simplify the world to discover something new about it.” -- 读完你这个贴后，我脑子里冒出来了这句话。 我个人觉得你这篇非常不错，一点不极端。 “医学是连接这两大块独立学问的学问/知识” -- 这点是一个挺新鲜的看法，是你简化为文理后提出来的 ，想想相当有道理。

 

 

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等有时间再写文讨伐你

气伤肝啊，老兄

今天糯米有进步，假如土豆是挂在宇宙的，糯米就是飘在2万米的气球 :))

科学是一个研究，解决问题的体系。你说的太表面了。

那就当作我们对科学这词的认知不一样吧，至于是否“太表面”，哈哈哈，我们要“科学地理性地综合地全面地……” :))

给free一个链接，关于科学这词，最狭义/狭义/广义/最广义，或许也就是“最表面/表面/里面/最里面” :))

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A7%91%E5%AD%A6

这链接的中文，英语版本，也很有意思。

不是认知不一样。

你说的那几点我也同意。

其实我比较在意的是现在对科学这词的套用或滥用，新冠期间，见识了太多“科学管理法”…周末愉快

谢土豆，这个题目其实我很熟悉，大学时一个好朋友天天拉着我谈论“科学哲学”，这是专门研究《科学究竟是什么》的专业

有几本书，其中一本就叫《科学究竟是什么-by 查尔莫斯》,还有《科学革命的结构--库恩》，《猜想与反驳》可能大家比较熟悉。

什么实证主义，证伪主义。

人可以接近绝对真理，但永远无法达到绝对真理---这是马克思的话。

要理解科学是什么，还要学习科学史，比如牛顿当年发明“力”这概念，就要煞费心思，不像现代人，认为天经地义就“有一个东西，叫做力”。

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不过我后来遇到一个佛法高人，问了一个问题：“我们搞科学的，都是猜想、假设、证伪这一套，总也不知道自己猜的到底对不对。(比如柏拉图的洞穴说，我们都在洞里；再入康德的本体说，我们看不见本体；贝克莱的存在就是被感知，半明半暗的；马克思的我们可以逼近绝对真理，但是永远认识不了绝对真理，有点像做噩梦被人追赶)。为什么佛就知道自己达到了究竟真实？”

他一句话回答了我，让我大为叹服。。。原来如此。

这句话就不说了，作为佛教公案吧，有心人或者有一天碰见他可能的师父，可以问问师父，看能不能回答。

 

感觉文科和理工科是中国的叫法，在北美没有文理一说。很多学科也相互交叉, 比如 ，

比如 有个Biomedical Engineering 的， 把工程, 生物, 医学结合起来， 就像医院里一些医疗设备， 不是学医学的人设计出来， 而是学工程专业的设计出来。

这句话听上去有没有觉得

土豆有点儿倚老卖老的感觉呢？

 

关于

美国的文科理工科，我家有高中娃，所以正好知道：

Liberal arts vs. Stem

纯理工和纯文科的划分是当年学习苏联的结果

谢谢，上网查了，还真有这么一说（Liberal arts vs. Stem）。链接在内， 有个列表。

我以前那时是过北美来读研的， 直接选课做论文（不再选择专业系别，同学之间也没提这个)。 刚看了看， 专业是这么分的：

不过， 挺奇怪，   Mathematics and Computer Science 也算作是Liberal arts. 

btw, STEM =Science，Technology， Engineering，Mathematics

 

List of STEM Majors Actuarial Science Aeronautical/Aerospace Engineering Technology Aerospace/Aeronautical Engineering Agricultural/Bioengineering Agronomy and Crop Science Animal Sciences Applied Mathematics Architectural Drafting/CAD Technology Architectural Engineering Architectural Engineering Technology Architecture, General Astronomy Athletic Training Atmospheric Sciences and Meteorology Automotive Engineering Technology Biochemistry and Biophysics Biology, General Biomedical Engineering Business/Management Quantitative Methods, General Cell/Cellular Biology Chemical Engineering Chemistry Chiropractic (Pre-Chiropractic) Civil Engineering Civil Engineering Technology Computer and Information Sciences, General Computer Engineering Computer Engineering Technology Computer Network/Telecommunications Computer Science and Programming Computer Software and Media Application Computer System Administration Construction Engineering/Management Construction/Building Technology Data Management Technology Dentistry (Pre-Dentistry) Drafting/CAD Technology, General Ecology Electrical, Electronic, and Communication Engineering Electrical/Electronics Engineering Technology Electromechanical/Biomedical Engineering Technology Emergency Medical Technology Engineering (Pre-Engineering), General Engineering Technology, General Environmental Control Technologies Environmental Health Engineering Environmental Science Food and Nutrition Food Sciences and Technology Forestry Genetics Geological and Earth Sciences Health/Medical Technology, General Horticulture Science Industrial Engineering Industrial Production Technologies Information Science Management Information Systems Marine/Aquatic Biology Mathematics Education Mathematics, General Mechanical Drafting/CAD Technology Mechanical Engineering Mechanical Engineering Technology Medical Laboratory Technology Medical Radiologic Technology Medicine (Pre-Medicine) Microbiology and Immunology Military Technologies Natural Resources Conservation, General Natural Resources Management Nuclear Engineering Nuclear Medicine Technology Nursing, Practical/Vocational (LPN) Nursing, Registered (BS/RN) Optometry (Pre-Optometry) Osteopathic Medicine Pharmacy (Pre-Pharmacy) Physical Sciences, General Physical Therapy (Pre-Physical Therapy) Physician Assisting Physics Quality Control and Safety Technologies Respiratory Therapy Technology Science Education Statistics Surgical Technology Surveying Technology Veterinarian Assisting/Technology Veterinary Medicine (Pre-Vet) Webpage Design Wildlife and Wildlands Management Zoology List of Liberal Arts Majors

This would be a very long list, so I decided to list a bunch that aren’t limited to:

Accelerated Culinary Arts Accountancy Accounting and Information Systems Accounting Specialist Actuarial Administration of Justice Administrative Support Advanced Study Advertising Agribusiness Agriculture American Indian Studies American Studies Engineering and Biotechnology Animal Management Anthropology Applied Cognition and Neuroscience Applied Finance Applied Mathematical Sciences Applied Psychology Applied Science Architectural Building Engineering Technology Architecture Architecture and Career Options Archives and Records Management Art Arts Athletic Training Aviation Mechanics Baking and Pastry Behavioral Science Bible Bioethics Bioinformatics Biology Biomedical Science Biotechnology Boat Mechanics Boat Repair and Maintenance Business Business Administration Business Administration – Finance Business Administration Clinical Science Business Analytics Business Economics Business Informatics Business Information Systems Business Science (ABS) Individualized Studies Chemistry Child Advocacy Child Development: Program Summary Christian Ministry City Planning Civil Justice – Law Enforcement Clinical Epidemiology Clinical Laboratory Science Clinical Medical Assisting Clinical Psychology Cognitive Science Commerce Communication Community Health Composition Computational Finance Construction Management Corrections, Probation, & Parole Cosmetology Business Counselling (or Counseling) Criminal Justice Criminology Culinary Arts Design Development Administration Diagnostic Radiography Digital Media Digital Media Communications Digital Photography Divinity Early Childhood Education (AECE) Early Childhood Special Education Economics Education Elementary Education Emergency Medical Services English English Literature Enterprise Environmental Science Environmental Studies European Law Finance Financial Economics Financial Mathematics Fine Arts Food Science Foreign Service Forensic Psychology Forensic Science Forestry General Psychology Governance & Organizational Sciences Government Contracts Health Administration Health Care Management Health Informatics Health Information Management Health Science Healthcare Administration History History and Information Hospitality Management Human Resource Development Human Resources Management Humanities Industrial and Labor Relations Information Information Assurance Information Management Information System Management Information Systems Information Technology Integrated Science Interactive & Graphic Art Interdisciplinary Studies Interior Architecture and Design International Affairs International Business International Economics International Public Policy International Relations International Studies Islamic Studies Jazz Studies Journalism Jurisprudence Landscape Architecture Landscaping Design Laws Leadership Legal Management Letters Liberal Arts Liberal Studies Library and Information Science Library Science Management Manufacturing Engineering Marketing Mass Communication and Journalism Mathematical Finance Mathematics Mathematics and Computer Science Mathematics and Philosophy Medical Science Medicine Meteorology Microbiology Military Art and Science Molecular Biology Museum Studies Music Music Education Network and Communications Management Neuroscience Nursing Nutrition science Occupational Studies (AOS) Legal Office Administration Occupational Therapy Organizational Psychology Performance Petroleum Engineering Pharmacology Pharmacy Philosophy Physical Therapy Physician Assistant Studies Physics Physiology Plant Science Podiatry Political Science Politics Professional Studies Project Management Psychology Public Administration Public Affairs Public Diplomacy Public Health Public Management Public Policy Public Relations Public Safety Public Service Quality Assurance Quantitative Finance Quantity Surveying Engineering Rabbinic Studies Radiologic Technology Real Estate Development Real-Time Interactive Simulation Religion Religious Education Research Respiratory Therapy Risk Management Risk Management and Insurance Sacred Music Sacred Theology Science Science Education Social Science Social Work Sports Management Statistics Strategic Communication Management Strategic Studies Studies Studies Law Supply Chain Management Surgery Taxation Teaching Teaching Athletic Training Telecommunications Technology Television Production Theological Studies Theology Theory Urban Planning Veterinary Science Veterinary Technology Visual Communications Wildlife Management

STEM vs. Liberal Arts: Complementary Not Competition | STEMcadia

《科学究竟是什么》，她们把科学的定义搞得越广，越有自我成就感，越有商机可乘，越会天天唠叨个没完…像我一样 :))

大赞这样的跟帖，都是学术型的！来，周末我请你们一起在宇宙中飘飘 :))

得，估计坛子里没人了解苏俄系统了；我们等明天多瑙来解明一下德语世界的吧，日语也用文科理工学汉字。周末好 :))

周末愉快！

呵呵，反正很多人很早就嗅出来了。在学术圈说我的东西很科学，就像企业界说我的东西有ISO认证。我的主义是很科学的社会主义

土豆这个不极端。：）现代科学的定义倒满清楚，命题——数据量化验证Pair的学问，目前划分为物理，化学，生物，最大特点

是形而下。逻辑学是形而上，一上一下形成一套系统。

大部分的热门学，比如管理学，商学，法学，都不是科学，但是含有科学的理念和因子。或者这样说吧，科学帮助很多以前本来是模模糊糊的东西，都变成了一门系统的学问。：）

突然想起“统计学”，似乎这个也属于一半靠所谓的数学模型数字统计，一半靠设计者的个人观点倾向，川普大选/统计学“常识”…