T5 EA 和RD比较

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fish100
楼主 (文学城)

T5里面M的EA 和RD难度相当。EA录的,大概有一半是牛娃,其他有各种因素,像学校,地区,种族,性别等各种照顾;RD的时候也不容易,因为M学生总数里有20%的是体育生,基本上是RD招进去的。

其他四个学校EA比RD要难很多。每个学校EA800人左右,有三百来人是体育特招,再去掉国际生(应该有一百多),through the QuestBridge National College Match program (H不参加,Y每年有70~80学生, P有50左右),还要照顾某些特定的学校,教工,校友子弟,简单算算数,还能剩多少。至于RD里面有横扫娃,绝大多数是次牛娃。牛娃不需要横扫,报一个想去的,99.99%EA进了,就结束了。

吹着吹着就牛了
EA最大的用处是和同校的牛娃错开
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ccb168
最大的好处是比RA早3个多月解放如果进了的话。那三个多月的等待是很煎熬的。
溯洄从之
为啥说MIT RD招体育娃?我校游泳进MIT的娃是早申的
成功的兔
+1,认识的也是早申进的
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Rockeymountain
是的, 这是错误的。体育娃都是早申的, 而且只有早申。RD录的不是按体育特招。
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fish100
我们这儿的体育娃都是RD进的。M没有体育特招,EA能进不能主要靠体育
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Rockeymountain
不对, M是D3当然有特招。如果RD进就没用体育。
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fish100
D1才有特招。D3教练的权力小很多,只能推荐
溯洄从之
他是联系教练,通过教练EA招进来的。D3的好处是他去M以后没游多久就不游了,学习太忙。
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fish100
M的体育生EA,RD进的都有,RD进的居多;其他4校是D1,只有EA
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fish100
D1进的也有很多学习跟不上,就不练了。
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LilyBD
体育娃?????300多?
f
fish100
我朋友说,私立学校要大家错开申请,但EA的很多是拚爹的
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fish100
H有1200多体育生
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Rockeymountain
权力小推荐的学生未必被录取, 但是教练推荐也被录取的一定是早申。
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Rockeymountain
天港家二娃就是ED2进的D3学校。
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Rockeymountain
参加比赛训练太多。
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Rockeymountain
总共吧, 不会是一届。
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trivial
情况是招进去的学生也参加体育队

尤其是EA defer, RD进的,即使有教练推荐,孩子也不知道自己是因为体育进的,还是学业进的。最后效果是每届招来的学生会有20%左右参加大学运动队。

f
fish100
是总数
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Rockeymountain
RD进的体育就是一大EC而已。
t
trivial
除了ROWING 不清楚,其他项目M教练只有推荐权,没有决定权。 推荐并录了的很多是RD。
t
trivial
Not true for M
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Rockeymountain
展开说说。我看一个小中的视频进了M, 教练推荐25个早申只录了7个。

这个小中男还有好多O, 是数学牛娃。

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trivial
但他说RD没再录人了吗?

前两年游泳M教练可以推荐30到40人,最后AO挑选后9~10个人能进,大约一半EA一半RD。 

RD的也是早申了的,但是defer。 

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BeLe
大概一半recruited,一半walk-on。
溯洄从之
D1不是必须练吗?D1给奖学金啊。D3不给钱,所以也不 bonding
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Rockeymountain
但是RD进的就和特招没关系了, 体育只算一项EC。小中对于M在学业上都qualify的, 进了也不算体育生。
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Rockeymountain
D1里的藤校没有奖学金。
f
fish100
藤校体育不给钱
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Rockeymountain
Walk-on的是club吧, 学校Varsity应该很少walkon的。
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fish100
M的很多体育生除了M一个藤都没有
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ahawater
啊, M游泳教练可以推荐这么多人?
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ahawater
既然有教练推荐,而且最后进了,难道不是默认要参加校队吗?
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Rockeymountain
你说的就是recruited student, 他们必须入队。而RD进的不是被特招的, 想去就要walk-on。
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trivial
但是谁也不知道谁能进啊,没保障。教练也是在大撒网。

还听说过有的队教练推荐的一个没录,AO说,你在录的人里找队员吧。

t
trivial
我以为体育生是按参不参加运动队算的。

所以教练推荐的娃们,如果EA就收了就是体育生,EA没收RD收了就不是了? 有意思。

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ahawater
D3应该没有这么大的区别,特别是M,M教练权力很有限
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trivial
一般是这样默认的,但没有强制性。其实ivy也有recruit但一天都没练的。没有奖学金。
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trivial
什么都没签过,哪有什么“必须”。D3没有NLI 。
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Rockeymountain
从录取的角度说是的。不是按体育生录取的。
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Rockeymountain
我只有闺女球队的信息, 不知道M的情况。

闺女俱乐部的在东部LAC, 有签LOI。

t
trivial
你爱怎么想怎么想吧,反正“体育生”也是你定义的

我只知道很多D3教练在EA过后还和没录的娃有联系有鼓励,跟踪体育成绩直到2月底。包括ivy 给spot的,都有RD才谈成的。而那些没有EA的州立D1 强队,给奖学金的,更是可以等12月national 比赛成绩出来之后才抢最后一批人。按你的说法都不是体育生了呗。

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Rockeymountain
我只说我知道的一手信息, 而且我只知道我孩子的项目, 对游泳完全不懂。
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trivial
别说M了, ivy也没签任何东西。
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Rockeymountain
游泳是个人项目。球类项目是团体运动, 一个队不同position每年招几个都是有计划的。

所以招你进来, 就要保证至少commit一年。

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BeLe
看看这些highlights

 

The Cult of Rich-Kid Sports

A new paper provides stark evidence that Harvard gives preferential treatment to affluent white applicants through legacy preferences and sports recruitment.

By Derek Thompson Todd Warshaw / Getty OCTOBER 2, 2019 SHARE

About the author: Derek Thompson is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of the Work in Progress newsletter.

On Tuesday, a federal judge held that Harvard’s admissions policy does not violate the Civil Rights Act. In the ruling, which could be overturned on appeal, the judge rejected claims that the university broke the law by creating a higher standard for Asian American applicants.

But a new paper by several economists, including one directly involved in the trial, provides stark evidence that Harvard does give preferential treatment to affluent white applicants through legacy preferences and sports recruitment.

The researchers found that between 2009 and 2014, more than 40 percent of accepted white students were ALDC—athletes, legacies, “dean’s list” (meaning related to donors), or the children of faculty. Without such preferences, they said, three-quarters of those white students would have been rejected.

 

The study’s lead author, the Duke economist Peter Arcidiacono, was an expert witness against Harvard in a lawsuit accusing the university of discriminating against Asian applicants. The paper is based on data obtained during the trial.

The findings offer a grab bag for public indignation. You could get angry about the pernicious effect of legacy programs, which reproduce privilege at schools that publicly advertise themselves as crusaders for the poor. Or you could get angry about the dean’s list, which allows some of the richest people in the world to punch a ticket for their undeserving children with an eight-figure donation.

But the most important takeaway from the paper is a phenomenon that is bigger than this lawsuit, bigger than Harvard, and bigger than college education, altogether. It is the American scam of rich-kid sports.

What are rich-kid sports?

At a time when youth sport participation is stratifying by income, one could argue that even soccer fields have become the domain of the upper-middle class and above. But true rich-kid sports include water polo, squash, crew, lacrosse, and skiing. One does not simply fall into the river and come out a water-polo star, and no downhill-slalom champions casually roam the halls of low-income high schools. These sports often require formal training, expensive equipment, and upscale facilities. No wonder they are dominated by affluent young players.

While there is nothing morally wrong with enjoying a game of catch in a pool, participation in these activities has come to play a subtle, yet ludicrously powerful, role in the reproduction of elite status in the United States.

At Harvard, nearly 1,200 undergraduates—or 20 percent of the student body— participate in intercollegiate athletics. That’s more student athletes than Ohio State University, whose total undergraduate enrollment of 46,000 is nearly seven times larger.

 

 

Early in the Harvard admissions process, recruited athletes receive special treatment. Most of the school’s 42 sports have liaisons that relay the coach’s preferences for incoming athletes to the admissions department. Nearly 90 percent of recruited athletes gain admission to Harvard, versus about 6 percent of applicants overall. These athletes make up less than 1 percent of Harvard’s applicant pool but more than 10 percent of its admitted class. (The other 10 percent of Harvard’s players are walk-ons who likely have also benefited from high athletic ratings in the admissions process.)

 

It would be one thing if Harvard were giving a leg up to students who might not otherwise afford an education. But Harvard does not offer athletic scholarships. Its athletes tend to be neither promising low-income stalwarts, nor superstars with a chance of going pro. Sports recruitment, it would seem, is not about academics, or equality of opportunity, but about money; it functions as affirmative action for white affluence.

 

Across the Ivy League, many teams are whiter (and richer) than the rest of their class. Black and Hispanic students account for less than 10 percent of Ivy athletes in baseball, cross country, fencing, field hockey, golf, ice hockey, lacrosse, rowing, sailing, skiing, softball, squash, tennis, volleyball, water polo, and wrestling. In the 2017-18 year, about 700 Ivy League athletes participated in rowing and lacrosse; fewer than 30 were black, according to NCAA data.

 

 

At Harvard, these athletes tend to come from high-income families. According to a Harvard Crimson survey, families of recruited athletes are twice as likely as non-recruits to come from families earning more than $500,000 than from families earning less than $80,000. Recruited athletes are also slightly whiter—and slightly less Asian American—than legacy admits or donors’ children, according to data gathered for the Arcidiacono paper. In fact, recruited athletes at Harvard are almost twice as likely to be white, and one-third as likely to be Asian, as all non-ALDC admits.

 

 

 

If these numbers make it sound like Harvard’s—and the Ivy League’s—fancy-sport recruitment strategy is a shell game for maximizing the population of rich students who will pay the full ticket price of admission, Paul Tough would agree. The author of an excellent new book on college, The Years That Matter Most, Tough explains that the affluent-athlete hustle is widespread in higher education, especially at smaller schools struggling to stay afloat.

 

Tough takes a particularly close look at Trinity College. Like Harvard, Trinity doesn’t offer athletic scholarships. But its coaches similarly have influence over the admissions process. Each fall, Trinity’s athletic department provides the admissions director with a wish list of students, who tend to receive early admission. Of the 300 students accepted early in 2017 to Trinity, about half were athletes.

 

Once again, which sport matters. Trinity seeks players from sports that are rare in low-income public schools, Tough writes, such as field hockey, lacrosse, rowing, and squash.

 

The power of fancy sports doesn’t stop at the college level. It plays a shockingly large role in determining the sort of people who get hired in America’s elite professional-services industry—law firms, investment banks, and consultancies.

 

In her 2015 book Pedigree, the Northwestern sociologist Lauren A. Rivera asked what elite employers were looking for from potential hires. She found the answer came down to three simple words: Ivy League sports.

 

Elite firms based their entry-level hiring decisions on two things, Rivera wrote. First they screened for the “best” universities, harvesting the senior crops of schools such as Harvard, Stanford, and Princeton. Second, they scrutinized candidates’ extracurricular activities, especially the sports they played in high school and college.

 

As you might have guessed, playing any sport wasn’t good enough. Recruiters strongly preferred candidates who played “hockey, tennis, squash, or crew”—rare and exclusive sports, whose rarity and exclusion was precisely the point. “You will never find a squash player in a public school in Detroit,“ one banker told her. “To them, squash is a vegetable." In elite firms, filtering for fancy sports allowed high-status adults to hire their socioeconomic clones without having to ask the rude question: “So, kid, is your family rich like mine, or no?”

 

The fancy-sport charade coaches the upper class and those who wish to join them that all leisure should be pursued and mastered, as if it were a job. The gospel of work has expanded to fill so much of the world that even recreational downtime—mindless hours spent golfing with friends, playing tennis, throwing a baseball with your dad—is no longer an escape from careerism, but rather crucial proof of one’s careerist potential. This is a picture of a rat race so all-consuming that no moment of life is too small for the résumé.

 

And for what? The hoarding of economic opportunity. Affluent parents, elite colleges, and elite firms are participants in a vast machine for replicating privilege. Rich parents coach their children to become fluent in a secret language of code words—sculling, cradling, state squash tournament—whose utterances may, years later, open the very gates of privilege through which the parents themselves once passed. Elite status is thus carried on, generation to generation, through the maintenance of a particular social language: the code of fancy sports.