if that postdoc does not do his work, he is cheating the
money from NIH and the institute. Only 4 months left, it does not worth the efforts to let him ago. If more time left, like >6 months, I would strong suggest to take actions to let him go. He is wasting the PI's time, wasting the money from NIH and institute, and ultimately wasting the tax money from tax payers like us.
used to have postdocs who do not meet the working standards, and they highly respect the PIs that can take actions to protect the right enviorment for research. So no worry about potential collaborations.
on how to properly act to your husband. Providing suggestions should be appreciated rather than being blamed, as long as you are not making the final decision. From your post, i donot see any sign that u have the intention to make the final decision for ur husband, and so ur action should be highly praised.
need to make hard actions. It will take at least 3 months to him go even if the right actions were taken. So just let him go and do not sigh him again. There is no obligation to re-sign any postdoc.
我先生工作很严谨， 他的实验室的工作人员的工作时间都是从9 到5 点， 我从来没有觉得他让他的工作人员无限制的加班， 就如同您说的， NIH的钱不是好拿的， 这是对资源很大的浪费。 同时也是对其他认真工作的研究人员的不公， 因为别人得工作才能领工资， 请假也要在学校的网站记录请假的时间, If 我先生 (as a facluty) , takes one day off from his work, he would log into the university system. However, we all know that life is not fair.
我告诉我先生， 这种事儿在高校的研究机构是很常见的（ 您告诉我的， 我转达您的意思， 好让他宽心）， 让他不要如此生气，再次谢谢您的建议和理解。 我实际也帮不了他工作上的忙， 想到文学城藏龙卧虎， 加上我感觉他情绪不好。 所以就来这里询问， 很多网友的建议都是very constructive and makes much sense. To me, it is also a great learning experience. 一并谢谢大家的建议。
some PIs as close friends. I happened to know their efforts/struggling. Jobs in nih research is not like a job in a goverment. Postdocs have to be productive, otherwise the whole project/group may fail, which means the failure of the PI. So I understand you very much, just like my friends.
Consulting opinions for any person, regardless of if he is your husband or not, should be highly appreciated and praised.
Smart, mine is based on the facts including only 4 months left.
What you said is absolutely right, the same as so many your other posts. (But the man in this story should carefully exam himself, although most likely he won't. It could be simply he doesn't have time or he never thought.)
To get university involved, very terrible move which could come back to hurt him. He even didn’t have a clue of it.
When something bad happened in my home and in my firm, my general approach is : 1 to exam if I did something wrong, 2 to listen, 3 to find a way which will get all people involved a better result. We are ordinary people who will make mistakes. If we are in a sport team, one player made a mistake, we need to cover it, correct it and encourage. Then everyone will feel be loved, be supported and be understood. At least, we can do this in a smaller team and office, if it is harder in a big Corp. If the player cannot perform, the coach should be blamed, at least, to some degree.
We just prefer different management style. I wish all of us would be a better person because of love and support, not by rules and by authorities. But rules are necessary too.
大家好，
我先生告诉我他的一个博士后（ 外国人） 正在等待绿卡的面试， 在好几个月以前， 就不工作了（ 他每天照样来实验室， 但是就是不做他的研究工作）。 我先生找了他谈话两次， 他的这种怠工行为毫无改变， 我问我的先生他是否已经签了别的公司合同， 所以他只是每天来实验室， 坐在办公室里， 啥也不干。 我问我的先生难道你不能提前结束他的工作合同吗？
我先生甚至找过他单独谈话两次， 问他“ 你的工作为什么一点进展都没有” 他拒绝回答这个问题， 不吭声。 ， 最后逼迫我先生只有让他的学校人力资源部的秘书给这个博士后发了一个memorandum.， 可能大致是” 警告“ 他作为博士后工作的基本职责。
我先生找过他谈话两次， 没有效果。 我先生说他很想提前结束这个博士后的合同，他的合同明年二月份到期。 可是我先生学校的人力资源部门的人说提前终止此人的合同需要搜集相关的证据， 得有一个流程。 又及； 这个人的实验室甚至他工作地方的大楼都不跟他们组的其他的研究人员在一起， 所以他一个人完全不工作， 也没有谁能够成天盯梢看他究竟在做什么。
我问我的先生他可否查看此人的电脑浏览的记录。 我先生说他不能够这样做， 这是违法的行为。 我怎么感觉我先生碰到了一个无赖， 他对这个博士后拿着工资不工作竟然毫无办法的样子? 我告诉我先生要不然就安排他洗刷实验室的瓶子算了， 我先生说他还真地考虑过这一条。 我自己的猜测： 这个博士后可能已经签约了别的公司的合同， 只等绿卡的面试一结束就走人， 所以他才可能这么无赖， 也不怕自己被提前解雇。
请问大家， 这种情况， 我的先生该怎么办？ 谢谢了。
顺祝大家周末愉快！
博士后也不容易。本来就是有今天没明天的工作，压力很大。并且谁都有状态不佳的时候。另外科学研究没有结果有时候也很正常。
博士后本来就是低薪大强度的工作，拼的是paper ,这个量好定质不好定，也许2月也许2年。你说人不干活就不干活了？
你也说人工作合同没几天了，人不出去找工作，等着断炊？
你先生如果是导师的话那他自己也这么过来的，不说体谅反而。。。
你也就是听来的，具体又能知道多少？呵呵。
你和你先生没有把这个博士后当一个人，只是当做一个工作人员。这个学生对你先生也只当了一个雇主，没有当成良师益友。你的先生想过这个博士后生活当中出现问题了吗 ？ 如果愿意做良师益友而不只是一个雇主，可以试试如下这样谈话，同时停止让学校上一级参与进来--只能说明你先生无能，搞不定自己的实验室。学校也不想惹这件事。
1. 询问他最近是不是有什么别的问题，如果有，你先生非常愿意帮助 2. 是不是科研工作有什么做不下去的地方，或者对此不再感兴趣，需不需要换一个课题？ ---- 首要知道对方如何想的。3. 指出如果这4月浪费了，很可惜，工作的话，可以让他的简历更好看。4. 很重要的一点，对他表明，如果他最近生活有困难，你们愿意帮助他倾听他，而不是逼迫他听你们的。如果这个孩子自杀，他杀，被开除了，对你先生的声誉都是非常不好的。中国教授在美国的日子会越来越不好过的，自己小心吧。如果这个孩子没有变化，就让他到期走人就行。如果学校来问，就回答这个孩子可能有忧郁症，处于人道，没有严格要求他。--- 希望你不要发觉太刺耳。相信你和你先生通过这件事情，能够花点时间和学生聊聊家常，知道他们生活中出现了什么问题，能帮就能帮，他们有缺点时，宽宏大量。才能做到桃李满天下。
对一个科研工作指手画脚？
养活自己的工作。比起那些滥用移民制度的这些人毕竟还是老老实实的文人。最好不要文人相轻，把别人逼的太狠。听说过几个给华人教授打工死活比不了业的了。有能力的话帮人毕业人家会记你的好一辈子的
然后到期不续签合同就合法合理了，也没什么必要在这么个当口立马把人赶走，除非他有immediate威胁，不然因为这个坏了别人拿身份就不好了。工作没有还过得去的，可以打工，没有身份就完了，会把人逼上绝路的。没必要的话，就不要这么做。
首先，你不应该如此理直气壮的谈论你先生工作的事情，其次，为人不可如此不识人间烟火，还有四个月就要合同到期，正在等待绿卡的面试，你这是何苦？你的先生已经要人事部搞个什么的“MEMO”就已经太过分了，太不会做事情了。应该睁一只眼，闭一只眼，既然已经知道人家可能是有了别的工作，何不顺水推舟，做个人情？
他已经是博士后了，继续在这一行做的可能性很大，不管在哪个国家。保不准哪天开会就碰上，文章或者funding 就落到人手里审，你说可过可不过的时候会不会给你过?
退一步说，人一拍屁股走了你是要原地混饭吃的，未必同事会不知道你做过什么，反正我会不想跟这种眼皮子浅的人合作的。
money from NIH and the institute. Only 4 months left, it does not worth the efforts to let him ago. If more time left, like >6 months, I would strong suggest to take actions to let him go. He is wasting the PI's time, wasting the money from NIH and institute, and ultimately wasting the tax money from tax payers like us.
Univ. usually it does not need that complicated way. Just do not sign him for the next round.
used to have postdocs who do not meet the working standards, and they highly respect the PIs that can take actions to protect the right enviorment for research. So no worry about potential collaborations.
on how to properly act to your husband. Providing suggestions should be appreciated rather than being blamed, as long as you are not making the final decision. From your post, i donot see any sign that u have the intention to make the final decision for ur husband, and so ur action should be highly praised.
need to make hard actions. It will take at least 3 months to him go even if the right actions were taken. So just let him go and do not sigh him again. There is no obligation to re-sign any postdoc.
postodocs. I learned from my PI friends that some of them do not think in this "normal/reasonable/rationale" way.
不怕您笑话， 是我的先生对那个博士后的表现“抑郁”了，我先生问他最近是不是遇见了什么烦心事，是否需要生活上的帮助。 那人就缄口不言。 不是那个博士后被逼得抑郁了， 反倒是我从我先生电话里的语气， 感觉他在多次跟他沟通无果后， 情绪很生气。 我就告诉他生气不值得的， 那人也就只有四个月了， 等他混满了时间， 也就离开了， 当然不会再续签博士后的工作合同。
我先生工作很严谨， 他的实验室的工作人员的工作时间都是从9 到5 点， 我从来没有觉得他让他的工作人员无限制的加班， 就如同您说的， NIH的钱不是好拿的， 这是对资源很大的浪费。 同时也是对其他认真工作的研究人员的不公， 因为别人得工作才能领工资， 请假也要在学校的网站记录请假的时间, If 我先生 (as a facluty) , takes one day off from his work, he would log into the university system. However, we all know that life is not fair.
我告诉我先生， 这种事儿在高校的研究机构是很常见的（ 您告诉我的， 我转达您的意思， 好让他宽心）， 让他不要如此生气，再次谢谢您的建议和理解。 我实际也帮不了他工作上的忙， 想到文学城藏龙卧虎， 加上我感觉他情绪不好。 所以就来这里询问， 很多网友的建议都是very constructive and makes much sense. To me, it is also a great learning experience. 一并谢谢大家的建议。
some PIs as close friends. I happened to know their efforts/struggling. Jobs in nih research is not like a job in a goverment. Postdocs have to be productive, otherwise the whole project/group may fail, which means the failure of the PI. So I understand you very much, just like my friends.
Consulting opinions for any person, regardless of if he is your husband or not, should be highly appreciated and praised.
What you said is absolutely right, the same as so many your other posts. (But the man in this story should carefully exam himself, although most likely he won't. It could be simply he doesn't have time or he never thought.)
To get university involved, very terrible move which could come back to hurt him. He even didn’t have a clue of it.
When something bad happened in my home and in my firm, my general approach is : 1 to exam if I did something wrong, 2 to listen, 3 to find a way which will get all people involved a better result. We are ordinary people who will make mistakes. If we are in a sport team, one player made a mistake, we need to cover it, correct it and encourage. Then everyone will feel be loved, be supported and be understood. At least, we can do this in a smaller team and office, if it is harder in a big Corp. If the player cannot perform, the coach should be blamed, at least, to some degree.
We just prefer different management style. I wish all of us would be a better person because of love and support, not by rules and by authorities. But rules are necessary too.
Thank you very much.
quite fully get what you mean. I agree with completely that anything invovling HR should be careful.
防人之心不可无
我刚来美国是在一个美国人的实验室，后来陆陆续续跟不少美国老板（非中国大陆出生的）和中国人老板（中国大陆过来的）打过交道和合作，发现美国老板基本上不把实验室内部的事情提高Tax payer的角度，倒是中国老板很容易提高到Tax payer 上来。刚才，又一次看到这种提法，忍不住说一句而已。
any personal information. To be safe, you can choose not to read her post to protect urself.
在论坛上问什么的没有？谈恋爱的，打官司，出车祸的，婆媳关系的，做饭不会的。做面包烤坏了的,
越是吸的厉害的越没正经事或者直接干挖墙角的事的多的很。主要还是靠政治运作。很痛心看到这样的局面。
博后。养一个博后要七到八万一年（包括包险等福利），若博后私自停止工作，和HR谈,有程序走fire博后。
太太介入丈夫的工作还是涉及人事问题涉及到想解雇别人，怎么都觉得这两口子有问题。太太是个恶人