This is very absurd. Some of my random reflections to share:
1, There are only two paths in this HK event, either 民族虚荣 or 民族正义 ? A person of either or neither can agree or disagree with the protestors.
2, '如果你依然相信土共的宣传,只能说你图样图森破,有时还有些愚蠢。'
But most of us live in the west whose media are hardly in accordance with China's. Funny enough, just these past few days a good friend of mine (who came to US in a very young age from Asia) kept providing me with anti-china videos from sources like FLG to the point that I was highly irritated. I wonder who is more brainwashed by whose government.
3, "对北京和港府的蛮横邪恶视而不见"
Beijing has been in inaction so far, and HK government seems passive if not timid. Where are the 蛮横邪恶? If one believes there are secretive actions involved, the observation 4 below demonstrate s that those secretive actions are at least not so 邪恶 .
4, " 只关注香港年轻人的过激与错误,同时无视港警的过激与错误。"
A basic fact: five months into the protest or riot as you like to call it, no death. Both the protesters and the police are amazingly good especially by western standard. Existence of a few Exception s is normal, and this is why I still hesitate o call the protesters "rioters" even after some bystander had been set on fire purposely by some "protestor" two or three days ago.
5, I don't like communism either, but one shouldn't let ones aversion to communism eclipse or overpower ones aversion to colonialism. And the lasting after effects of colonialism is a part of colonialism. Communism is a beast, but colonialism is a crime, a very evil one as recognized universally 8 today' s world.
They keep hesitating because they don't know what the cause is.
The true cause is as I pointed out colonialism with its aftereffect as part of its life. On the surface, communism lives on, but it is really dead (no one in Beijing still has faith in communism, I believe). Colonialism on the surface is dead, but in reality it lives on, in people's minds. Not just in the minds of those protesters upholding British flags in the streets of HK, but also in the mind of the HK government and even in the mind of Beijing. This is why no one has yet mentioned this key word "colonialism". Westerners didn't mention it because "there is a ghost in their mind". The Chinese didn't mention it because we in subconsciousness believe colonialism is good. Liu xiaobo was only a more pronounced one among us.
Therefore HK today is just an expression of our joint karma as Chinese.
There is no technical solution to colonialism's late life, one can only depend on his wisdom and react spontaneous ly when an event comes up. This time one can pinpoint the economic or political causes of the event, but it is not going to be the final solution. However I don't share your pessimism. Karma is to be burnt out. The magnitude of the Chinese reality holds enough energy to accomplish this for as we can observe from the present HK event, whatever outside this goal is either absurd or in constant hesitation.
They keep hesitating because they don't know what the cause is. The true cause is as I pointed out colonialism with its aftereffect as part of its life. On the surface, communism lives on, but it is really dead (no one in Beijing still has faith in communism, I believe). Colonialism on the surface is dead, but in reality it lives on, in people's minds. Not just in the minds of those protesters upholding British flags in the streets of HK, but also in the mind of the HK government and even in the mind of Beijing. This is why no one has yet mentioned this key word "colonialism". Westerners didn't mention it because "there is a ghost in their mind". The Chinese didn't mention it because we in subconsciousness believe colonialism is good. Is it not true that some IDs in this forum defend Liu xiaobo by claiming his notion of colonialism being proper with "香港模式" ? (Funny, they think they can choose how to be colonized).
Therefore HK today is just an expression of our joint karma as Chinese.
There is no technical solution to colonialism's late life, one can only depend on his wisdom and react spontaneous ly when an event comes up. This time one can pinpoint the economic or political causes of the event, but it is not going to be the final solution. However I don't share your pessimism. Karma is to be burnt out. The magnitude of the Chinese reality holds enough energy to accomplish this for as we can observe from the present HK event, whatever outside this goal is either absurd (the protesters) or in constant hesitation
近日香港警民冲突互相间都出现了严重升级。意料之中的是,大陆同胞得到的消息是一如既往的片面与被歪曲。的确,香港年轻人的做法不好,但原因是什么?为什么他们如此暴戾?天下没有无缘无故的恨。大家愿意选择相信某些宣传部门的信息吗?这些信息不一定错,但却是掐头去尾,严重失真,断章取义的。如果大家依然陌生,不妨回忆一下三十年前发生了什么,官方报道又是什么。当时袭击军车,残害从南线开进京城的年轻人,的确是邪恶的。但是为什么?大家是否应该看看西线军人给北京市民带来的伤亡是南线军人的百倍以上。为什么那群混蛋故意掩盖这个事实?即使是发言人袁先生也公开承认有三百人的死亡,这与邪恶媒体天天向国民灌输的那十个左右的爱国军人的死亡是否形成鲜明的对比?经历过那个年代的人,如果你依然相信土共的宣传,只能说你图样图森破,有时还有些愚蠢。
有个亲戚在国际航空公司,当年她告诉我,那次灾难以后的一年里他们国航的人都不敢带国航标志的东西进城,北京人见了会揍他们。原因是当时广场上的军人没有给养,北京市民连杯水都不给他们喝,于是中央就调派国航飞机把物资空运到广场。
令人不安的是,许多海外同胞选择性的阅读新闻,对北京和港府的蛮横邪恶视而不见,只关注香港年轻人的过激与错误,同时无视港警的过激与错误。在民族长远前途和民族短暂虚荣之间,他们鲁莽地选择了后者。人身处自由世界,却主动要把脑袋钻回到灵魂的囚笼里去,这是何等可悲?人作孽,不可活。几千年来,苍天饶过谁?
而更令人恐惧的是,当下中国的局势已经不是再重复三十年前的民族悲剧,而是要重复五十年前民族灾难。共产主义这个邪恶思维,世界上任何民族都可以被它再骗一次,唯独有两个民族不可以,那就是俄罗斯和中国,因为你们被这个恶魔伤害的太重太久。俄罗斯已经把那两个混蛋清除出自己的民族殿堂了,中国呢?
如果你依然觉得自己是中国人,你就有义务去阻止这个灾难再次荼毒中华大地。否则你丫都不配使用这些方块字来听说读写。
更多我的博客文章>>> 在香港问题上我们选择民族虚荣还是民族正义与前途? 明天会更好吗?--八十年代的文艺与政治 浪淘沙 暮秋忆胡赵的八十年代 尊严与虚荣之间 浙江义乌桥头遗址有重大发现,但有待确认,乐观其成吧。
人类不缺少理想。但是,文明价值从来不存在于对理想的信仰与坚持。而恰恰存在于:为理想而做的每一种事情的道德中。
如果人们认为,为理想可以不择手段;那么文明已经离我们远去。当年的国际共产主义运动也是根据这个逻辑。楼主以理想来为那些暴力民主辩护,太苍白了。
多少年前就有高僧谶言为证的 :-)
而是其中的邪恶泛滥开来,控制了一切。作为一个政治元素,共产主义有存在的空间,就像加拿大的ndp。但这东西在中国已经消费尽了它存在的理由,积恶过多,又不可能悔改。中共自己改还算留点面子,落得苏共的结局就好看了。好自为之吧。
中共覆灭,第一罪魁是包子。
中国的社会变革,从来就不是正统的共产主义运动。那些正统的共产主义者始终认为:“中国的山沟里出不来马克思主义”。正因为中国变革是个四不像,才使得转型成为可能。如果仔细看,不难看出许多中庸成分。现在的中国,只是社会主义。而西方社会也有相对社会主义元素。而社会主义的元素,只是为了文明价值中的平等与公正而已。中国名义上的“马克思主义,共产主义“,只不过为了转型不过于猛烈而已。你反对的所谓 ”共产主义“根本不存在。另外,14亿中国人不是阿斗。
再说过香港这个事和共产主义也没啥关系啊。
这边大家可以随便互相辩论,至于是否是自由的国度,咱不知道,至少讨论老家的事情还是自由的。
毛的存在,使得共产主义变了味。如果没有毛,中国共产主义不可能混过1931年。至于这是中国的幸或不幸,见仁见智吧。毛使得共产主义被中国拿来成功成立政权,同时,毛也使得共产主义的某些荒唐元素在中国大行其道。
所以有些大师的人设在我心里甭了,当然绝对不包括您哈。
都是现在香港问题的成因。
不久以后香港一国一制。然后美国撺掇台湾独立,台海祸起,美国袖手旁观。一个月之内中国统一台湾。然后是全球贸易禁运,接着就是被某些人看作盟友的俄罗斯落井下石,切断石油和天然气供应,东北华北西北地区爆发人道灾难,俄罗斯的某些诉求得以满足。至于其他貌似兄弟的国家,他们换主子快过换鞋子,中国的贷款援助一风吹。唯一一个朋友也许就是以色列了。说句实在话,刘鹤跟包子说,这贸易战没法打,忠厚之言。不用等到能源禁运,就是丫孟山都不卖给你农药和种子,咱同胞就够喝一壶的。温铁军分析过朝鲜是如何闹饥荒的,不妨一看。
苏联当年可是全面倒向西方的,西方国家饶过它了吗?还不是把他拆个七零八碎,然后继续打压。油管上有个专题片,PBS拍的,叫普京的复仇。推荐你看看。西方对中国的和平演变为啥没成功?我觉得一个重要原因是俄罗斯这个榜样没树好。
光知道吹牛能忽悠国内百姓,却不知吹牛能轰走自己的朋友。
老哥可以读一篇经典,叫做:郑子家对赵宣子。中国以那个心态来应对就是了。但是他们不可能那么做。
1, There are only two paths in this HK event, either 民族虚荣 or 民族正义 ? A person of either or neither can agree or disagree with the protestors.
2, '如果你依然相信土共的宣传,只能说你图样图森破,有时还有些愚蠢。'
But most of us live in the west whose media are hardly in accordance with China's. Funny enough, just these past few days a good friend of mine (who came to US in a very young age from Asia) kept providing me with anti-china videos from sources like FLG to the point that I was highly irritated. I wonder who is more brainwashed by whose government.
3, "对北京和港府的蛮横邪恶视而不见"
Beijing has been in inaction so far, and HK government seems passive if not timid. Where are the 蛮横邪恶? If one believes there are secretive actions involved, the observation 4 below demonstrate s that those secretive actions are at least not so 邪恶 .
4, " 只关注香港年轻人的过激与错误,同时无视港警的过激与错误。"
A basic fact: five months into the protest or riot as you like to call it, no death. Both the protesters and the police are amazingly good especially by western standard. Existence of a few Exception s is normal, and this is why I still hesitate o call the protesters "rioters" even after some bystander had been set on fire purposely by some "protestor" two or three days ago.
5, I don't like communism either, but one shouldn't let ones aversion to communism eclipse or overpower ones aversion to colonialism. And the lasting after effects of colonialism is a part of colonialism. Communism is a beast, but colonialism is a crime, a very evil one as recognized universally 8 today' s world.
6, There is a difference btw 虚荣 and 自尊。
CNN编故事更不要脸。
有一点和小谢兄类似的看法:不能因为共产主义的邪恶性而夸大资本主义的正义性。
此外,我还有一个政治不太正确的看法:如果没有当年工人的暴力运动,是否就没有后来资本主义社会的改良?难道现在不是欧美比中国更社会主义吗?我想,一个社会的大规模运动肯定有其合理性。当然,以同样的逻辑类推,这次的香港事件的不断恶化,无论中央政府还是港府都应该是最大的责任人。可以说,中央政府漠视民意试图堵住民意的强权思维是问题的根源所在。如果他们不认真从这次事件中汲取教训,必定留下极大的隐患。可怜了香港人。。。
The true cause is as I pointed out colonialism with its aftereffect as part of its life. On the surface, communism lives on, but it is really dead (no one in Beijing still has faith in communism, I believe). Colonialism on the surface is dead, but in reality it lives on, in people's minds. Not just in the minds of those protesters upholding British flags in the streets of HK, but also in the mind of the HK government and even in the mind of Beijing. This is why no one has yet mentioned this key word "colonialism". Westerners didn't mention it because "there is a ghost in their mind". The Chinese didn't mention it because we in subconsciousness believe colonialism is good. Liu xiaobo was only a more pronounced one among us.
Therefore HK today is just an expression of our joint karma as Chinese.
There is no technical solution to colonialism's late life, one can only depend on his wisdom and react spontaneous ly when an event comes up. This time one can pinpoint the economic or political causes of the event, but it is not going to be the final solution. However I don't share your pessimism. Karma is to be burnt out. The magnitude of the Chinese reality holds enough energy to accomplish this for as we can observe from the present HK event, whatever outside this goal is either absurd or in constant hesitation.
真正的令人不安,是这样的东西,成为十几亿人奉为圭臬的意志。
受害的,不仅仅是这十几亿人,而是全球的毁灭。
利的是政府无法玩擒贼擒王的招儿了。弊端是分散式抗议很容易意气用事,都成黑旋风武二郎了了。他们很难整体上践行和平与忍耐的策略。中央政府就更没用,本来这种冲突时政府的正确选择是一种仁厚长者的心态,包容教育。咱中共依然是造反派地下党的路数,都是争蝇头小利的做法。这些做法刺激毛头小子们更离谱。
邓胡赵和江湖时代,逐渐淡化意识形态,然后再实现共产主义的废物利用,是一种改良路线。习的复辟是一退五十年。文革遗毒还没肃清,这种愚蠢给中国社会又增添一大笔恶。习的愚昧是文革造成的,但他还有一些传统文化里孝的厚道,这是他家庭影响所致。而如今习的文革复辟会造就三十五十年以后什么怪物,这就难说了。
是否真实不知道,但包子近些年的做派却与此一脉相承。这种民族虚荣到底离希特勒还有多远?每个依然热爱自己祖国的中国人都应该警惕。
为人的原则不过是谦卑和仁爱,试问他俩都做到了吗?
本來寫了一段跟帖,覺得說寬泛了,便删了。再貼一次,是回應上面港府與北京無良策,衹在猶豫的:
They keep hesitating because they don't know what the cause is. The true cause is as I pointed out colonialism with its aftereffect as part of its life. On the surface, communism lives on, but it is really dead (no one in Beijing still has faith in communism, I believe). Colonialism on the surface is dead, but in reality it lives on, in people's minds. Not just in the minds of those protesters upholding British flags in the streets of HK, but also in the mind of the HK government and even in the mind of Beijing. This is why no one has yet mentioned this key word "colonialism". Westerners didn't mention it because "there is a ghost in their mind". The Chinese didn't mention it because we in subconsciousness believe colonialism is good. Is it not true that some IDs in this forum defend Liu xiaobo by claiming his notion of colonialism being proper with "香港模式" ? (Funny, they think they can choose how to be colonized).
Therefore HK today is just an expression of our joint karma as Chinese.
There is no technical solution to colonialism's late life, one can only depend on his wisdom and react spontaneous ly when an event comes up. This time one can pinpoint the economic or political causes of the event, but it is not going to be the final solution. However I don't share your pessimism. Karma is to be burnt out. The magnitude of the Chinese reality holds enough energy to accomplish this for as we can observe from the present HK event, whatever outside this goal is either absurd (the protesters) or in constant hesitation
北欧近社会主义平权:非暴力
国际共产主义运动:暴力
香港的衰落无可避免,五十年也过去了快一半时间,香港的支柱产业就剩洗钱和容纳罪犯的衍生服务了,所以,逃犯条例不是借口,正因为是逃犯条例,才激起了爱钱的香港人的示威游行。因为这种心思不能上台面,于是扯起了自由民主的大旗。
一个贩毒或者贩卖人口为生的村子,要公投或者民选的话,结果可想而知。然而可以这样吗?结果也可想而知。
楼主题目太大,不敢妄议-至于香港事件爆发-冰冻三尺,非一日之寒-是官逼民反的结果。‘止暴制乱’这种口号就是小学生的愚蠢和险恶:香港反中央政府的示威必须暴力镇压;一国两制是邓小平错误的卖国路线,一国一制才是习近平的新时代新思想,所以必须制造香港混乱,使香港实行一国一制。‘反送中’抗议之始,北京大外宣和胡锡进就已经把香港市民定性为阶级敌人,外交部发言人狂言:中英联合公报已经是废纸一张。。。如果没有国际社会的强烈反弹,说不定置地广场已经血流成河,十四亿奴隶被人卖了还在帮忙数钱呢。。。否定邓小平的政治路线,习近平倒退至个人崇拜路线才名正言顺-所以香港问题是习近平一手筹划的大阴谋!
国内的宣传已经是‘新文革时代’。每天各大报刊登习思想的文章,老百姓不准看不准议不准听不准写。。。道路以目。