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burnwoodhot
楼主 (文学城)

小城升学今年变天了!

6个ED 成功MIT 和藤校的,其中四个华人全是体育生:游泳到D1 level, 篮球的,跑步的到了state qualifiers;  滑冰的也是经常参加比赛,但不知道什么水平!一个墨衣也是跑步的,一个美韩混血是debate! 历史上从来没有的事情!因为过去多少年来,包括ED and RD, 一年一共才能贡献四个或五个去 ivies 和MIT的.

今年一个靠数学USMO  qualifier 申请的,ED落单了! 听说GPA也是top 1%. 很优秀的ABC, 希望RD有所收获。

但小城前几年有靠math 竞赛去MIT 的 (过去十年一共二个)。

总是,条条大路通罗马!只有找到适合自己的路子,就能得到属于自己的niche!

updated:

3 of 4 of ABCs in the cases above are in top 2% (GPA); The other one was not clear as the person was not social with the other three.  

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avw
那就说明那些学校不值得去
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aguafresh
美国的反智已经深入人心,名校越来越不说明什么
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burnwoodhot
MIT is not worthy for going? Your bar is really high
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zaocha2002
前几天看到一报道,我们这边小学要加大数学力度,
b
burnwoodhot
Might be a good thing-- otherwise, US would be similar to China?
b
burnwoodhot
小学要加大数学力度-- Might mean that they need to split some

of their sports/athelete/game time to academic studies-- try to minimize using caculator to every math problem 

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zaocha2002
哈,应该是小学学习的时间加长数学课的时间。计算器是一直不允许用的啊
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burnwoodhot
The embarrassing thing is that I have to reply on 计算器 now

after staying in the academic field for twenty years-- not saying that US kids

t
trivial
报道需要全面客观

有体育EC 和只有体育是有很大区别的。能不能说说这里几个不在top 2%里? (昨天有人说这是UT CS的门槛)。

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uban
很简单,你老了。
b
burnwoodhot
very true!
b
burnwoodhot
good point! updated--I thought that by default

A majority of  ABCs (or many many ABCs!) can pass academic bars!

It is true-- 3 of 4 of ABCs in the cases i mentioned are in top 2%; The other one was not clear as the person was not social with these three.  

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burnwoodhot
All these are accepted by UTA automatically; but this is their

bottom choices

a
avw
进去怎么样的,出来还是那样。你说呢?
a
avw
只能说明这些学校招的不是最优秀的学生
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Farmsmoker
这说明MIT越来越不靠谱了,让人失望
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trivial
所以读书娃一旦体育也好,就变得不优秀了?

人家说的是学业排前的有体育EC,又没说是纯靠体育recruit。

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burnwoodhot
It seems that your taste of "最优秀的学生" is unique-- might

be different from the prevailing views in this子女教育.

凊荷
为啥MIT就值得去呢?
b
burnwoodhot
Haha, 子女教育 seems to focus on how to 进去的,

no follow up for 出来的

b
burnwoodhot
Hm Hm, MIT may just have to follow up the trend of this country

could not stick to their initial principle anymore under the current pressure 

凊荷
美国怎么能和中国相似?
b
burnwoodhot
Haha, this is a very interesting question! I thought that

MIT is the one with the most consensus of being prestigtious but the least disputes in this website, at least for ABCs.
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aguafresh
加州、俄勒冈州都在降低数学标准,很多地方禁止数学开快班。
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avw
读书好的就按读书录取,很简单。样样好的,按读书也能录取
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avw
早就这样了。一个差生进去,也能被冠以学霸,骗谁呢。
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moon*river
MIT很靠谱啊。人家练体育之余还可以把学习弄到top 1%, 别不服
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avw
是你们搞太复杂了。学生就是看学习。
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tibuko
MIT就这么回事, 本科毕业生很多很一般, 我都雇过几多了, 互相之间差别可以很大
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avw
在搞学习之余,把体育搞到1%呢?MIT又不教体育,管它什么事。不是捣浆糊吗?
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burnwoodhot
学生就是看学习-- every chinese parents would hope so but AOs say no.
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moon*river
问题是不搞体育,也不见得学得比人家好。

该服的时候就得服。MIT体育特招和其它大学很不一样的,学习不好,体育1%也没有用。

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newca
MIT 取学习成绩top 2%, 体育成绩州级国家级的学生没觉得有问题呀。
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moon*river
MIT本来就是招的会读书的,碰巧里面有一些体育也好的
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burnwoodhot
Did you 雇过 本科毕业生 from other schools like xx state University?

The new comparison might lead to a different conclusion.

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burnwoodhot
Yes, 没觉得有问题-- the context is that

earlier recruters went to MIT mainly through Math O in our town; but this year, not-- it means, AO taste changed. 

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tibuko
雇过UT Austin, Ohio State U的小钟, OSU的不错, MIT的, 很一般
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burnwoodhot
it means, if 智 were the sole standard, then two countries would

be similar

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moon*river
是你想简单了。学生首先是一个人。课堂的学习,学术的学习,是人生的一部分

人需要学习的东西很多,书本知识是很重要的一部分,但不是全部。还有很多别的东西,需要在课堂外学习,体育也好,文艺也罢,都是作为完整的一个学习的一部分。

看见这些小中文武双全,难道不自豪吗?

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burnwoodhot
that is not in conflict-- ABCs getting to UTA CS

are typically top 2% (GPA) (extensive discussion in this website last night).  ABCs admitted to MIT are typically top 2% plus the strongest EC--

the performance of your evaluation is most likely based on academic (professional) merit, but not on sports, isn't it? 

 

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burnwoodhot
ABCs admitted to MIT can not be 差生

although many talented ABCs might be qualified for MIT, but not able to get in for more different reasons/lucks.

凊荷
MIT 学生和top 1% 没关,且不说体育

竞赛生大部分不是1%。再说美国的1% 也不意味是学霸会读书吧。

白兔妈
早就告诉你了,小中男仅仅usamo不够好,mit看不上

你拿这个与人家体育好得多的比,其实更说明录取公平啊

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60MPH
肯定不只是体育好。不是学霸进去也跟不上。传说有体育进MIT的娃虽然在体育高中是学霸,到mit被虐得死去活来
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tibuko
It's based on their job performance

MIT的娃, 有时有交流障碍, 办个事情总是搞不定

不过有个MIT的黑人娃, 非常优秀, 是我雇过人里面比较看好的

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burnwoodhot
Hm, admission officers changed their taste

 it could be a good thing for most people--

One note, I wanted to point out that the strong ECs in 体育 contributed a lot to the admission to those top schools; In other sides, those kids might just simply enjoy their 体育-- the two events might be co-incident, not necessiraly cause-and-consequencr relationship.

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burnwoodhot
you could say this-- top 2% GPA plus 体育好
t
trivial
我知道的近几年靠数学进的,都不止usamo

小中小印女生multiple year MPFG, 小中男mopper, PRIME, or first gen. 

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BeagleDog
难道是红州?蓝州都是没课外作业,不考试之类的。
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60MPH
我就是说如果他在一个体育好学习一般的高中,靠体育进了MIT,就算GPA在高中#1在大学也能被虐成狗
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burnwoodhot
红州-- the hardcore to support trump team.
b
burnwoodhot
Most of our public high schools are 学习一般的高中, actually--

you will be assured if those schools admit students, and they will find ways to let students out-- are you aware that some top universities only have two grades-- A and B?

Plus, some could graduate in 3 years and the other can do it in 6 years-- colleges could even get more tuitions and fees.

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Iwanttofly
没有math 和 sport,出钱也可以,更容易进。
白兔妈
确实如此,只有楼主拿usamo当个宝,呵呵。
b
burnwoodhot
our town parents indeed 拿usamo当个宝

楼主 does not necessarily have bias for and against this-- he/she just presented facts

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moon*river
目前为止,小中体育娃进MIT的,学习不会差的

真的体育特别特别好的,一般不会risk MIT. 他们可以去其它top D1, 藤校,录取有把握。体育有D1水平但去M赌一把的,真的是学霸以及对M真爱。这样的体育娃,在那里不会被虐的。

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tangyuancong
MIT厉害的很厉害,平均水平很一般

MIT大概10~15%,不超过20%的学生学习很厉害,其他的学生最多是小藤理工科学生的水平。从MIT毕业也不难,MIT第一年不给成绩,只有过和不过,MIT鼓励学生一起做作业,也就是抄作业是允许的,这在藤校是不允许的。以数学为例,MIT学生的平均水平肯定比大藤的学生好,因为大藤里有体育生,艺术生和文科生,但是和大藤的理工学生比,MIT学生就差了很多

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burnwoodhot
体育有D1水平但去M赌一把的,真的是学霸以及对M真爱-- very true

indeed this is the one in our town.

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60MPH
被虐跟能毕业不矛盾啊
6
60MPH
呵呵
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cowboy1990
能进MIT的体育生也是学霸级的

仅仅是top 2%进MIT体育生是远远不够的。很多都是前几名的。

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cowboy1990
德州今年有三个小中EA进MIT 游泳队

往年总共也就一个到两个。

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cowboy1990
去年和今年进MIT游泳队的水平很高,很多都是D1水平,体育成绩也难拿啊
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burnwoodhot
not sure in top1% or 2%; but the difference of GPAs within top

is said to be within 在小数点后面的二位数 比如说,4.50 is #5; 4.51 is #4– not really big difference— plus, some difference is due to being avoid of 4.0 classes, like music. so it does not really matters.

The key thing is that the one is D1.

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burnwoodhot
体育成绩is way more 难 than academic ranking, I believe!
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cowboy1990
没错,体育可不是靠每天游5-6个小时就能达到的。天分和身材都非常重要