这是我最近一次血糖测试值。我家还是以米面为主食。我还每天要吃一根香蕉。

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kathyzh
楼主 (文学城)

看了大家的讨论,一直在犹豫不决要不要改变diet习惯。

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xiaojunhuang
我猜你肯定没有暴饮暴食,可能还很注意吃的量
布兰雅
香蕉含糖量高。正常饮食适当运动,一天一根不算多。没有大运动量我不会超过一根。不运动不吃。

其实我不是经常买香蕉。

我吃青黄不接的香蕉。太熟了的,糖都分解出来了。

让理想飞
你都快临界值了,怕死的话就改吧
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lookatme..
我吃得不多,每天都控制在1000-1500大卡之间

医生早就警告过我,更年期荷尔蒙水平紊乱,糖尿病很有可能重显,我撑了很多年低碳,看样子要继续下去了

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lookatme..
我要控诉一下那些大商家,我吃的都是whole meal, brown, seeds, sourdough bread

最近发现那些所谓的“健康”面包,含糖量比普通面包高

布兰雅
想起 Subway 事件。
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fuz
嗯,好像谁说过:跑完马拉松,吃根香蕉
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lookatme..
这些面包都很甜…
布兰雅
我遇到的90%的马拉松终点都有香蕉。比赛后半程大约有三分之一的也提供。切段的多。
布兰雅
自己做吧,很简单。KT两只猫都做得很好。我自己也做,没时间就用面包机。
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gossipgirl8
你听起来运动量也蛮大的,这么点卡路里,会不会很饿啊。
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kathyzh
The value between 5.0% to 5.4% is perfect fine. 看看这篇,不是越低越好。

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734630/

 

quote "Using a multivariable adjusted quadratic spline with HbA1c=5.2% as the cut-point, low and high HbA1c values were associated with an increased risk of all-cause mortality among individuals without diabetes."

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gossipgirl8
我倒是不怎么喜欢吃水果。米面现在吃的比以前少了,偶尔爆掉还是有的,尤其周末餐馆吃饭。

主要是发现现在胃口也没有以前那么好。吃外食很容易身体不舒服,口干舌燥。我觉得就是盐或者糖太大的原因。自己做的饭就没有这个问题。夏天冰激凌也吃,不怎么忌口。

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kathyzh
我找到这篇。HbA1c不是越低越好。

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734630/

quote "Using a multivariable adjusted quadratic spline with HbA1c=5.2% as the cut-point, low and high HbA1c values were associated with an increased risk of all-cause mortality among individuals without diabetes."

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lookatme..
我一直处在半饥饿状态,以为这是最好的,没想到血糖也会高。
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lookatme..
我有这想法了
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lookatme..
你现在基本上不出去吃了
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kathyzh
早上一块面包,一根香蕉加其它水果。中晚各吃一碗饭。大小就似中国人常用的碗。
落花飘零
呵呵,论述观点要看原文啊

这一段阐释了为什么a1c值低死亡率反而高,总结一下就是有一些基础血红蛋白病,慢性贫血性疾病,炎症,肝病,会引起血红蛋白异常,因而引起糖化血红蛋白A1c异常降低。这类人的死亡率高,不是因为他们血糖太低,而是因为本身的基础疾病。正常人很少看到a1c会低于四。文章里说调整了这些marker,还是死亡率升高,但是不是很确定为什么。所以也没有完全定论。其实大部分人都不用去担心自己a1c太低

临床上怀疑病人有血红蛋白疾病,贫血性疾病时候,是不测a1c的,用其他方法监测血糖

It is not clear what biological processes may be underlying the association between low HbA1c and all-cause mortality. In the present study, participants with low HbA1c values had unfavorable profiles of red blood cell related factors, iron storage, and liver function. Red blood cell distribution width has been associated with an increased risk of morbidity and mortality1922 and with inflammation.21 Younger red blood cells are typically larger and have more size variability compared with older red blood cells,20 which could affect red blood cell distribution width and HbA1c values.6,23 Also, iron stores were elevated among those with low HbA1c in the present study. Iron-deficiency anemia has been associated with increased HbA1c values among individuals without diabetes; however, patients with iron-deficiency anemia who were treated with iron therapy had decreases in HbA1c values.24,25 Also, ferritin was elevated among those with low HbA1c in the present study. Elevated ferritin has been associated with an increased risk of myocardial infarction26 and atherosclerosis,27 but it is also an acute-phase reactant and could be reflecting an inflammatory response. Finally, liver function enzymes were elevated and hepatitis C was more prevalent among those with an HbA1c <4.0% in the present study. Elevated ALT is frequently associated with fatty liver and an adverse cardiometabolic risk factor profile. ALT was positively associated with HbA1c levels among participants with and without diabetes in the British Women’s Heart and Health Study, with a stronger association noted among women without diabetes.28 Certain combination therapies for hepatitis C have been reported to temporarily lower HbA1c levels29; however, the low HbA1c-mortality association observed in the present study was still evident after excluding participants with hepatitis C. The overall biomarker profile of the participants without diabetes and an HbA1c < 4.0% is suggestive of red blood cell markers, inflammation, and liver function as part of the biological underpinning for the association noted in this study. However, the low HbA1c and all-cause mortality association observed in this study persisted after adjustment for lifestyle, cardiovascular, metabolic, red blood cell, iron storage, and liver function indices. The association also persisted after excluding participants with cancer, CVD, anemia, or hepatitis C in sensitivity analyses. Additional research is needed to explore the potential health effects of aberrations in red blood cell markers, inflammation, and liver function indices and associations with all-cause mortality among individuals with a low HbA1c.

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oldpp
我个人觉得,不必太在意那些数字。 但是 根据个人情况少吃一点碳水和水果没错,还有就是力量和心扉训练的平衡就可以了。
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gossipgirl8
出去吃的,但是比较注意餐馆选择和菜品选择。其实外食中餐很难健康,汤汁都混合进去了。现在的餐厅

很多味道都是提前腌制,和后厨说少盐都没法做到。

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kathyzh
但这个值的确不是越低越好。我总是看最佳值。

Using a multivariable adjusted quadratic spline with HbA1c=5.2% as the cut-point, low and high HbA1c values were associated with an increased risk of all-cause mortality among individuals without diabetes.

让理想飞
花医生已经给你说的很明白了,你的论点不是越低越好是不成立的。正常人基本不会小于4,低于4死的早是因为其他基础病。你在正常

范围lower range 4-4.8总比4.8-5.6要好.你自己也知道其实在upper range不好,应该改变,所以你才会来问。但这归根结底还是你自己认为什么事对你更重要。例如我自己做饭基本健康,不太控制,每周下馆子胡吃,但我是基于我所有血指标都是lower range. 如果我是upper range,我会放弃口腹之欲,因为我觉得活得长比吃得好更重要。但例如打铁跑马之类对我就不重要,所以我也懒得试,随意健身有个好身材自己看着开心就够了

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kathyzh
我是想说在正常range里,这个值不是越低越好。你说我的值接近上限,但最佳值就是5.2.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4603057/

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fuz
改,一定要改,没有大鱼大肉不行。跟人干似的,还舍不得吃。
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drinkplay
正常区间内为啥要担心? 要担心也不能根据这个指标.
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GoGym
既然你认为自己是最佳值,为什么还要犹豫不决来问呢?
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kathyzh
最不喜欢吃肉,最喜欢面食。在这觉得我瘦,和国内一起跳舞长大的同学比我不瘦。再闪一张糊照。

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kathyzh
我今天才发现的!以前我也一直以为这个值在正常范围内是越低越好。多看多读多学。

楼上一网友说我的值接近临界高点,所以我去找最佳值。most of testing results have a normal range, but it also has an optimal value. 

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Shanghaigirl98
改吧,先改一年看看。
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kathyzh
很开心今天又学了一些东西。不算浪费时间。谢大家发言。
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Noname
为啥不能发张清楚的,怕人肉?
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aguafresh
中国人常用的碗?不同地方的碗大小差四五倍

东北人到南方吃N碗都不饱。

让理想飞
你这个就是抬杠。你的原帖用Hemoglobin A1c指标讨论你糖尿病的风险,但是你却引用针对于没有糖尿病的人群的论文。

这篇论文主要是说Hemoglobin A1c这个指标对其他疾病的影响。标题就很明白"Among US Adults Without Diabetes",已经把糖尿病排除了

所以你要是继续抬杠的话,就应该首先说明你的论点是不是Hemoglobin A1c指标和糖尿病风险的关系。是的话你就再去问问几个糖尿病专家,这个指标是Lower range 更好还是你的5.2 更好。但你非要抬杠你是在讨论Hemoglobin A1c和其他疾病的关系,就不在我讨论范围了。

Low Hemoglobin A1c and Risk of All-Cause Mortality Among US Adults Without Diabetes

 

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kathyzh
大家讨论学习。如有冒犯实在抱歉。
让理想飞
Nothing personal, 我以前说过这个坛子估计绝大多数都是全奖博士,可能当年都考过GRE.我就是受不了逻辑混

乱,论点论据不匹配,所以没忍住。打字多累,我以前从不发言,直到花布头的坛子出现

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kathyzh
南方人的碗 lol
喵儿爸
花布不错,花布头哈哈
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xiaojunhuang
南方的碗还是很小的,嘻嘻
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fuz
突出“人干”的效果
落花飘零
我上面说了一堆,意思这个study里讨论的情况并不能apply到你的问题。

你如果通过生活方式改善把a1c从5.4 降低到4.8,并不代表你的死亡率会增高。

那些低于4的人,本身很大可能有血红蛋白病。

文章的作者在那段话里详细解释了。

不能因为一句结论,就到处说a1c越低越不好,如果没有血红蛋白病,你是低不到哪里去的

在转载摘抄文章的时候,应该自己先仔细阅读以下,否则容易引起误解

落花飘零
赞学霸精神。