RIP!

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swimmingboys
楼主 (文学城)

自杀,分别是小印和小越,一位是大二,一位是研二。都是机械工程系,而且从家长群和校长发的信来看,都是学业压力造成的,RIP!!!

以前这种消息很少公布,现在已经好很多了。

工科不容易念,得孩子真正喜欢和能handle,还要有strong  heart 才行。

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dw8866
这是上个月MIT数个研究生协会联合发出的公开信,说10个学生中有9个感到负担太重,要学校提高责任感,注意学生心理健康问题:

There is a growing mental health crisis among graduate students, both at MIT and around the country. Thirty-nine percent of graduate students suffer from depression and 41 percent suffer from anxiety. A study on the mental health of economics PhD students at top tier research schools, including MIT and Harvard, reported that one in ten had contemplated suicide in the past two weeks. This alarming incidence of mental health issues among graduate students nationwide is equally — if not more — prevalent in the MIT community. In March 2019, the MIT administration sent a survey to current graduate students to assess their experiences at MIT. Of the nearly 2,100 graduate students who responded, nine in ten reported feeling overwhelmed, two in three felt isolated, and one in three felt so depressed it was difficult to function.

The cloud of mental health issues hangs heavy over the entire MIT community. Far too often, we hear of a community member who has tragically died by suicide. Each suicide reminds us that depression and isolation are not unusual at MIT and have become a pervasive norm. We must support one another.

Graduate students serve an indispensable role in MIT’s community. We teach and mentor undergraduates, generate new knowledge through our research, secure funding through grant writing, produce journal articles, and foster community. However, despite our passion and dedication, our work at MIT can exact a heavy toll on our physical and mental well-being. This is not how it has to be. It is within MIT’s means to create a healthier academic environment for us to grow as scholars and people. In order to build a better MIT, we need to increase access to mental health care and address the systemic causes of the mental health crisis, including dysfunctional advisor-advisee relations. As members of the MIT community, as scholars who provide immense value to the Institute, and as human beings, we deserve to be treated with dignity.

All of this considered, a group of graduate students at MIT have come together to create Graduate Students for a Healthy MIT, a student advocacy group looking to improve the graduate student experience. In conversation with various student groups, we have drafted the following recommendations: to increase coverage of our existing insurance and start to address the root causes of mental health issues, particularly around advisor-advisee relations.

Improved mental health coverage and access

We need an increase in the number of covered therapy sessions for outside referrals from 12 to 26 annually, a decrease in the current copay from $25 to $10 per session, a clear and streamlined process for obtaining an outside referral for mental health support, and improved cultural competency and sensitivity training for counselors.

The current services offered by the MIT Student Extended Insurance Plan fail to meet the needs of the graduate student population. When depression, anxiety, and trauma threaten our well-being, we must be able to readily access high-quality care. When that care is not accessible, we continue to suffer needlessly and are unable to perform the great work of discovery, understanding, and innovation that compelled us to come to MIT.

The current coverage for regular therapy sessions is inadequate compared to what should be expected for a minimum level of treatment. Currently MIT only covers 12 sessions for outside referrals. Every additional session outside of the 12 that are covered costs $25 for patients, adding at least $1,000 per year in out-of-pocket costs for a person who receives weekly mental health care. This is not affordable for many graduate students and must be brought into line with our budget and rising cost of living to increase accessibility. The recent quality of life survey found that three out of four grad students report cost of living as a source of stress and half report their health as a source of stress. We believe that making treatment affordable can begin to address the pervasive mental health crisis. We can improve this by increasing the number of covered sessions from 12 to 26 annually and decreasing the copay on the remaining sessions from $25 to $10 per session. We must be able to afford treatment for the psychological costs of contributing to MIT.

Due to a shortage of adequate support, many graduate students seeking mental health care are lost in the current referral process and never receive the care they need. The current mental healthcare system at MIT relies heavily on outside referrals for patients. The social stigma and the difficulty of grappling with mental health issues already impose major barriers to accessing care. Students often receive a referral from the mental health office only to fall through the cracks and never receive the care that they need. In order to ensure ready access to care, this process must be streamlined. Referrals could be better facilitated by dedicated, full-time staff, instead of delegating to currently over-worked counselors and students.

Additionally, students of color and international students often report that MIT counselors are ill-equipped to provide treatment to students from marginalized backgrounds. There is a desperate need to improve the services provided to these members of our community. MIT must expand the current cultural competency and sensitivity training program for counselors and create a transparent mechanism to implement ongoing feedback from existing student groups representing students of color and international students. A similar program must also be made available as a recommended training for all student advisors.

Accountability in advisor-advisee relations

We need structural improvements for advisor-advisee relations, including required training for all faculty on mentorship, mental health, cultural competency, and sensitivity; student-run advisor evaluations; accountability mechanisms for abusive advisors; clear protection from retaliation for students who report abuse and exploitation; and transitional funding for students switching between advisors.

Although many factors contribute to the growing graduate mental health crisis, one major root cause stands out. Unsupportive and dysfunctional advisor-advisee relationships are cited as one of the strongest predictors for poor mental health outcomes. These relationships are at the heart of graduate education and, when healthy, can be fruitful for everyone involved. However, instead of elevating students’ scholarship, the recent quality of life survey found that for two out of five graduate students, their relationship with their advisor is an obstacle to their academic success.

Despite the importance of advisor-advisee relationships in the academic community, MIT does not require mentorship training for advisors. For example, advisors are given no guidance on how to identify and address issues within their group or how to best support the mental health of their students. Similarly, academic advisors often lack sufficient training to address systemic issues in their lab and department that affect students of color and international students. The resulting barriers and toxic environment lead to significantly worse mental health outcomes for students of color and international students. Poor advising is cited as the most common reason for a student to drop out of grad school. When a student leaves MIT without a degree, no one benefits. Both MIT and the student waste substantial financial and time resources. Continuing to allow students to fall through the cracks is financially and ethically irresponsible.

The vast imbalance of power in advisor-advisee relationships allows for abusive and toxic situations. Graduate students often don’t report advisors’ unreasonable expectations and inappropriate behavior for fear of retaliation. Far too often, we are overworked, sexually harassed, discriminated against, or otherwise disrespected and mistreated by our advisors without recourse. We must be able to report toxic situations safely to neutral third-party review committees that include faculty and student representation. Our departments must stop providing cover for abusive advisors. We can start to identify problematic advisors through a student-run, Right to Information-style database of advisor reviews, exit interviews for all students, objective metrics on graduation rate and time to graduation, and demographic breakdowns that could indicate bias against women or people of color. There must be consequences for abusive advisors, including restrictions on taking new students and getting raises. Finally, to allow for grad students to exit from toxic situations, we must provide guaranteed transitional funding between advisors so that leaving an abusive advising relationship doesn’t have to mean leaving grad school.

We deserve to be respected by our mentors.

 

This letter is cosponsored by Graduate Students for a Healthy MIT, Black Graduate Student Association, LBGT Grad, Active Minds, Chemistry REFS, Physics REFS, BCS REFS, Chemistry Alliance for Diversity and Inclusion, BioLGBTQ+, Women in Chemical Engineering, DUSP Student Council, DUSP Healthy Masculinities, DUSP Students of Color Committee, DUSP LatinX, DUSP Queers in the Built Environment, design@DUSP, DUSP Climate, Biology Diversity Council, and the Edgerton House Association.

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tigerPriate
GT以前也这样吗?还是最近CS大热以后才这样?

有些时候也不是学校功课太难,而是peer pressure 太大

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tigerPriate
也许是偏见,觉得技校其他Fun比较少一点,校园生活比较单一一些?

当然,不少老中家长觉得大学主要是把知识和技能学扎实,非技校都花拳绣腿

柳伊伊
招生偏离merit的恶果

其实所有不靠merit进去的学生,如果学校要维持质量不降低课程难度的话,这些学生都会倍感压力。所以需要学校降低要求迎合这些低学术质量学生。AAminority进名校要求safe space就是延伸的恶果

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dw8866
CS都还好。我觉得是传统的理工专业才是真正的高压锅,其难度和挑战,CS专业远远比不上。
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dw8866
中国严酷高考出来的北大清华学生也会出事,在美国也好几起。
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pigmom
所以完全可以理解为什么现在连MIT这样的技校都会时不时招一些唱歌跳舞打球的人了。

选拔多样化人才是王道,当然具体操作每个学校会有不同尺度。

咱们老中也不要总是斤斤计较什么录取不公了。条条大路通罗马,为何偏挤独木桥!

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tigerPriate
也许现在很多STEM学生都扎堆学CS了,学传统理工科的学生不够顶尖?
柳伊伊
比起这里这么普遍少太多了
柳伊伊
都是学了一年物理化学的底子去学

机械化工不是自找压力?学最多的也就两年而已。

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12度圆缺
GAtech 同学之间比较冷,竞争关系多于互助。同学之间显摆成风, 再加上...

变态教授们,平均1.9的课程不少.

高压锅啊

 

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tigerPriate
嗯,校园生活太单调枯燥,严重影响情绪兴奋指数

我儿子现在训练和小白car pool, 小白天天在车上给他读各种各样的joke,或者一起唱歌啥的. 我儿子不知道是真的老师要求的reading 任务没完成呢?还是自己读小说上瘾,搞的有时候听Joke还走神,小白只好不时提醒,“XX,stop reading”.

要是和小中一起car pool, 基本都是闷葫芦,我都经常觉得尴尬.

 

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rreegg0
GT的ME以前也很好,九十年代就是前三前五
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dw8866
也许技校Nerds 比较容易走极端,生活中缺乏色彩和情怀!
柳伊伊
死刷题刷死题生活最枯燥无味的nerd们

都没压力,活的滋滋润润。intern 挣钱不亦乐乎。

唱歌跳舞打球的进去就迷惘了,

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tigerPriate
如果有得选,Y和M的CS,选Y.

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dw8866
所以,多点唱歌跳舞的也好,可以冲淡学业上的显摆和竞争
燕子飞回来_88
显摆给别人压力很大,确实。
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rreegg0
不知道同一学校CS与ME录取标准差多少?ME和EE录取差不多,不少州大进去后这两系可以互转
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dw8866
选活动多姿多彩,男女平衡的学校
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tigerPriate
但现在显然CS热门啊
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tigerPriate
显摆多元化,压力就小多了.
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tigerPriate
现在MIT本科男女基本平衡,但同学显摆可能比较单一,容易有压力
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dw8866
应该理工类专业不会差很多,他们的M E也是全国顶尖的。好像G T现在也有文科和商科专业可以转,但听说商学院课程也不容易。
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dw8866
但女生也是nerds 居多,去年MIT有一位自杀的就是数学系女生。H,Y的女生好很多,异性调和很重要。
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pigmom
招生只看Merit整个人才选拔体系的弊病更多。多样化的选材其实在一定程度控制了恶性竞争的激烈程度。

不过说到STEM,确实觉得美国高中的数理教育跟大学的要求之间有很大的差距。这可能也是造成工科学生压力山大的原因。朋友的孩子从纽约三大高中之一毕业去了藤校念CS居然还觉得数学课很吃力,可以想象普通高中的孩子会怎样。

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pigmom
是这样!小中们的压力普遍太大了,有些是自发的,有些是被推的。但不论哪种结果都是失去很多生活乐趣。

作为父母真应该适当给他们减减压。日子不需要过得太急。

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tigerPriate
MIT 好像

前几年有一阵子亚裔女孩自杀的比较多. 

我们一朋友女儿出乎意料被MIT招了,这女孩就属于那种轻松学习不攀比型的,我怀疑这是MIT看中她的主要原因.女孩子在MIT如果想在学业上和男生比高下,肯定郁闷.

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tigerPriate
去哪藤?如果是HP,太正常了
柳伊伊
这个说法让人无语

你是说让多找滥竽,大家感觉就好点?恶性竞争是逃不过的,人才太多,资源太丰富,只能take it。中学打好基础,学术上心理上的。人家四年拿二米,我们四年拿一米也欣然接受。你们都啥逻辑,大学还显摆自己会唱歌跳舞?哈哈哈,难怪孩子心理有问题。大学生只显摆intern多少钱,offer的package有多少!get it?喜不喜欢都得swallow。教会孩子接受自己mediocre最重要,别当傻白甜大学还显摆中学那点玩意儿。除非你是IMO的。LOL

生活是要苟且的。

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pigmom
肯定会有些唱歌跳舞打球的人get lost(应该不是全部)。但是如果校园里缺少唱歌跳舞打球的,那也确实太枯燥。

而且单靠Merit录取也不能保证不会get lost。落实到个人进了大学是如鱼得水,还是痛苦挣扎,就看自己的了。

生活需要多样化,跟吃饭一样,萝卜青菜,荤素搭配才是营养均衡的饮食。

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12度圆缺
注意到一些签名了吗?

Black Graduate Student Association,

LBGT Grad,

Chemistry Alliance for Diversity and Inclusion,

BioLGBTQ+,

DUSP Students of Color Committee,

DUSP LatinX,

Biology Diversity Council

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chongqingguy
MIT 校园也不行,四处临街,没有文化芬维。相反你看过H的CS 糸的情况吗?当席教授是新西兰一个不起眼大学毕业的;整个师资力量开
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pigmom
强调一下我实际上很喜欢“nerd”。我同意大多“nerd”在大学里和大学后的学业事业发展都很好,很多是真有passion的孩子。

我们家老大也很喜欢和“nerd”交往,特别是数学竞赛中交的一些朋友。说那些人是真正有意思的人。他们会玩很有意思的游戏,说话也特别幽默。

但是大学选人确实还是多样化好些。

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pigmom
由此看来学校找人确实balance and diversify真的是重要考虑因素。

所以作为父母,完全没必要费太大劲推孩子。顺其自然,要充分相信是金子总会发光,不是金子发了光也没用:)

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pigmom
没错!还可以拓展视野!最终达到返璞归真的人生境界 :)
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pigmom
中小藤
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12度圆缺
大学应该没人显摆中学那点东西吧?
柳伊伊
这些都不是自杀的原因

只不过是生活不丰富多彩,但理工科就是这样,不喜欢不学就是

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lhan
应该不是,拒说GT有一年连续四五个月每月有一个自杀,后来学校每到期末发邮件给家长

让家长给学生减压。

GT难读的不是CS, 航空, 机械更难。自杀的越南裔研究生是GT ME本科毕业继续读研的。

GT的Nerd比较多,很多学生不善社交,Social也只是在宿舍打游戏。

但这几年应该好些了,学校在diversity上下了工夫,商学院发展也快了,女生招的比例也提高了。老师打分也比过去仁慈了。新上任的校长夫妻都是GT毕业的,儿子也是GT CS的,希望能有改观。

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pigmom
首先不知道您是否同意“恶性竞争”是不好的是负面的。如果您喜欢恶性竞争,那就没啥好说的了。

我个人认为美国的教育体制是不鼓励恶性竞争,而且效果应该还算可以。美国是个相对开放的社会,美国人也比较务实,如果一个人真有能耐,总能找到机会。

其实很多时候是做父母的比较钻牛角尖,总认为一定要爬藤,上T5才能有光彩夺目的远大前程。于是在美国这样一个开放的国度硬生生自己营造出一种千军万马过独木桥的氛围,然后就是各种high和anxiety。

再次强调我不反对“nerd”,事实上我们家孩子对学业特别是数理非常感兴趣。但是如果只拿学业作唯一标准,那必然是喜欢学的和不喜欢学的全都在拼学习,其实也很让人倒胃口。

物以类聚,人以群分,有相同爱好的人在一起是自然的亲近。喜欢打球的一起打会很愉快,喜欢唱歌的一起表演会很享受。喜欢做一件事的和根本不喜欢做的人混在一起,不会有什么愉快的结果。让每个人都能找到一些真正志同道合的朋友,这应该是diversify的目的。

真正有能力的孩子不会因为没去成某个学校就被毁掉的。

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pigmom
说的好像学理工的都不需要有Life
小小试一下水
亚裔孩子自杀的比率比别的族裔高, 是不是跟父母们不太重视danmental health 健康状况有点关系。

GT 其中的一个,高中的时候其实已经有症状了,真的是很可怜,

柳伊伊
没有啊

不能否认理工科人的思维和学的东西就是boring。越说和主题越远。

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pigmom
大学应该也有体育文化各种社团,至少是一个个的交友平台呀!朋友多了,眼界会开阔些

心情会愉快些。这些对以后事业未必会有直接帮助(也可能会有),但是也是人生宝贵的经历。往远里说,也许对培养下一代还有很大的好处呢!You never know! 做事不能太急功近利

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googlywug
我一直不明白人说学得轻松,因为基础好。任何人比人都不轻松,特别是自带发动机的孩子成堆的地方
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pigmom
这个应该可以有 :)
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dw8866
可能亚裔家长都喜欢和别人比较,也影响了孩子的心态,越比压力越大,所谓人比人气死人。
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dw8866
技校要学得好没有轻松的,有的说轻松也是一种显摆而已。
柳伊伊
我不喜欢,但不由我

可现实就是现实。同在M读CS,有人两米四年,这就是压力,你意思多弄些唱歌跳舞的学生都挣不了钱,大家就没压力了?打球的人才和愉快不愉快没关,运动员自杀的不少,S就好几起

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googlywug
老大样样要赢,老二只要不最后就好。这跟家长没关系吧。
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violinpiano
那這些人進來 不是換成他們壓力大要想不開了

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pigmom
唱歌跳舞的挣不了大钱不是正好把机会留给您孩子了吗?而且孩子上学期间还有人给您表演唱歌跳舞,多好呀!

没明白您在急什么?至于是否能四年两米,如果学校里招的都是IMO,怕是这种好机会更剩不下多少了。

不明白为啥别人唱歌跳舞打球会影响您挣钱?

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pigmom
而且四年两米对于刚毕业的学生确实是不容易,但是M毕业工作几年之后还是很有可能的。

为什么一定要计较早几年晚几年呢?名校面子问题?感觉都是自己给自己脖子上套枷锁呀!

小小试一下水
是的, 家长们爱比, 又不认为压力过大可能导致mental health issue, 或者不认为这是疾病的一种。
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pigmom
活着进来,能不能活着出去看自己了 :) 其实相信每个学校都会有一些活路留给各种学生的!

我一直都觉得即使T5也并不是所有学生都那么厉害。不需要神话。

自己选自己要吃的那盘菜最重要。

小小试一下水
同意, 越是强惯了的孩子越可能又压力。
柳伊伊
讨论问题,就事论事,扯我娃就太low了
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pigmom
没觉得我说什么不好听的了。不过要是冒犯了您我改我道歉!
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lzh0007
可不是,工程出问题那是要死人的。cs出问题无非就是打个补丁
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N.
有人就是学的轻松。每个人脑子wired不一样,有的人就是数学灵,有的是物理/化学/文学。关键

是别去和那些先天条件好的在他们有特长的方面叫板。