Many believe that a minor sibling of a US citizen can get a Green Card through his/her parents' petition, which is not true. Parents of US citizens belong to the immediate relative category just like the spouses and children of US citizens. Unlike parents, spouses and children of US citizens, siblings of US citizens belong to the family preference category which is subject to numerical limitations. Parents who are considered immediate relatives are not subject to numerical limitations.
Who is an Adopted Child Under the Immediate Relative Process?
Under this process, an adopted child is considered, for immigration purposes, to be the child (or adult son or daughter) of the adopting parent if:
The parent adopted the child before his or her 16th birthday (or before the 18th birthday under certain circumstances as described below). You submit evidence of a full and final adoption AND The parent had legal and physical custody of the child for at least two years while the child was a minor The legal custody must have been the result of a formal grant of custody from a court or other governmental entity The custody and residence requirement may be met by custody and residence that preceded the adoption The two years custody and residence requirements are waived for certain abused children
Because she is a US citizen and both US and China are Hague Convention Countries, she has to follow Hague Convention Adoption process to adopt the child from China. So, the rule you cited does not apply to her case.
Adopting a Relative for Immigration to the United States Last Updated: July 26, 2016
U.S. citizens wishing to adopt a related child abroad and petition for that child to immigrate to the United States following the adoption generally must proceed in the same way as non-relative prospective adoptive parents. U.S. immigration law provides three different processes through which a child may immigrate on the basis of an adoption: Convention process, Non-Convention process, and immediate relative petition process. A child may immigrate under one of these provisions only if the adoption meets all the requirements of that specific process. You can learn more about the eligibility requirements by viewing our web page, “Who can be Adopted.
Hague Convention Process
A child adopted from a Hague Convention country must qualify as a Convention adoptee under U.S. immigration law and the adopting parent(s) generally must follow the Hague Adoption Convention process. This process will involve filing a Form I-800A, Application for Determination of Suitability to Adopt a Child from a Convention Country, and a Form I-800, Petition to Classify Convention Adoptee as an Immediate Relative. In general, the Form I-800 must be filed before the child’s 16th birthday unless an exception applies.
Non-Hague Convention Process (“Orphan”):
A child adopted from a non-Convention country must qualify as an orphanunder U.S. immigration law and the adopting parent(s) generally must follow the orphan process. This process will generally involve filing a Form I-600A, Application for Advance Processing of an Orphan Petition, and a Form I-600, Petition to Classify Orphan as an Immediate Relative. In general, the Form I-600 must be filed before the child’s 16th birthday unless an exception applies.
Immediate Relative Petition process:
To be eligible to receive an immigrant visa through the immediate relative process, the child must have been adopted while under the age of 16 (or be the natural sibling of such a child, adopted by the same parents as his or her sibling while under the age of 18). In addition, the I-130 immediate relative process under INA 101(b)(1)(E) requires the child to have been in the legal custody of, and resided with, the adoptive parent(s) for at least two years prior to filing the I-130 petition. If the child is or was habitually resident in a Hague Convention country prior to the adoption and the adoption occurred on or after April 1, 2008, the two-year legal custody and physical residency period generally must be satisfied outside the United States in order for the Form I-130 to be approvable. The rules for this immigration process are discussed in greater detail on the USCIS website at the following link.
Please note that for adoptions involving a Convention country, the Convention and U.S. law and regulations implementing the Convention generally prohibit prior contact between prospective adoptive parents and the child’s parents or legal guardian. However, this prohibition does not apply if the child and the prospective adoptive parents are relatives.
请问老猫和大家,
我是单身女,美国公民,已经四十岁了。 一年半前,有人在我父母家门口遗弃了一个刚刚出生几天的婴儿。我家就我和弟弟二个兄弟姐妹。当时弟弟在国内已经有一个二岁的女儿,我弟媳还怀有三个月的生孕。因为我一直单身,考虑到我年纪也大了,经济能力很不错,我就决定要这个婴儿。家里于是到处找关系,终于让这个孩子的身份落在我弟弟的户口上。从法律意义上来说,我弟弟就是这个孩子的爸爸。
这一两年我也试着让这个宝宝签证到美国来,然后再想办法。可是签证两次都被拒签。 我只有每年回国看她一个月。孩子一天天长大了。叫我妈妈非常亲我。 我也非常爱她。每次离开她回美国我都极度难过。 可是当初没有想到办理领养会这么难。找了好些个美国的领养机构,都说很难因为是弟弟的孩子。打电话问中国领养部门,基本是告诉我说,中国没问题,主要是美国不让。
现在这个孩子的身份是我的头等烦恼事。而且我弟弟的第二个孩子一直没有去上户口,因为同她年纪上才相差六个月。
看到有说如果美国公民回国同孩子居住两年,就可领养办理I-30表。 为了她我愿意回国找一份工作。陪她两年。 请问,这样回国办理领养可行嘛。还有什么办法吗?
非常感谢!!!
谢谢大家!!!
https://travel.state.gov/content/adoptionsabroad/en/adoption-process/who-can-adopt/adopting-a-relative-for-incoming-cases.html
三种领养办法
1. hague convention process,中国,美国都是签约国。这就是美国人到中国领养孤儿的途径,做审查,然后申请移民局批准,最后到中国取小孩。
2. non-hague convention process (“orphan process”),不适用于中美。
3. immediate relative process。这条路,就是需要同居两年的选择。一般来说这个是指中国人在中国领养小孩后再变成美国公民的(比如领养后,全家移民美国,需要把养子也带上)。你一个外国人在中国领养中国小孩,似乎没有什么法律依据,我很奇怪中国人说你可以领养。估计你是还保留了中国护照中国身份证的?
但是你说中国没问题,那么你可以找一个美国移民律师问一下,以后是否能够I-130办出来。
严格上说,小孩是你弟弟的,你连养母都不是,而且才1岁半,你想把他带到美国,好像确实什么地方不太对劲。
但是,这个孤儿现在算不算relative child,楼主的弟弟和这个孤儿到底是什么法律关系,都不太清楚。
楼主可以找一个adoption service provider咨询一下。她既然是美国公民,估计肯定是要走海牙条约程序,需要用adoption service provider的。
https://travel.state.gov/content/adoptionsabroad/en/hague-convention/agency-accreditation/AdoptionProviderSearch.html
看能不能把领养关系从你弟弟那转到你父母名下。你再给父母他们全家办移民,你是公民,几个月时间就可以办成。等他们来美国后再住这里办adoption.
https://www.us-immigration.com/blog/can-minor-siblings-of-us-citizens-immigrate-through-parents-petitions
Many believe that a minor sibling of a US citizen can get a Green Card through his/her parents' petition, which is not true. Parents of US citizens belong to the immediate relative category just like the spouses and children of US citizens. Unlike parents, spouses and children of US citizens, siblings of US citizens belong to the family preference category which is subject to numerical limitations. Parents who are considered immediate relatives are not subject to numerical limitations.
为啥当初不直接填是你生的孩子呢? 反正要出来,上户口干嘛呢?
不明白为什么要这样做,我一直觉得领养孩子是个很伟大的事情。
也许应该把小孩送去孤儿院,再以foster care形式养在家里。
Who is an Adopted Child Under the Immediate Relative Process?
Under this process, an adopted child is considered, for immigration purposes, to be the child (or adult son or daughter) of the adopting parent if:
The parent adopted the child before his or her 16th birthday (or before the 18th birthday under certain circumstances as described below). You submit evidence of a full and final adoptionAND The parent had legal and physical custody of the child for at least two years while the child was a minor The legal custody must have been the result of a formal grant of custody from a court or other governmental entity The custody and residence requirement may be met by custody and residence that preceded the adoption The two years custody and residence requirements are waived for certain abused children
https://www.uscis.gov/adoption/immigration-through-adoption/other-adoption-related-immigration
现在希望改回来。。这样她自己的孩子肯定可以出来,弟弟的孩子也有了户口。
就是不知道我这个犯不犯法,犯法就算了,否则前面不知道还有什么陷阱等着。
是楼主回来生的孩子。
现在,趁着国内计算机数据库联网还没太正规,应该想法改过来,让小孩还是弃婴身份,楼主收养;同时弟弟给自己的孩子上户口。否则,如果还是把孩子当弟弟亲生的(除非找出个非婚生的母亲来),以后但凡办些较真的手续(比如,继承房产,孩子上学出国),弟弟自己的孩子都有可能遇到问题。
6个月的差别不是太大。
趁孩子还不会说话,把楼主要收养的作为没身份的,如今捡到孩子,愿意收养。给孩子直接办新身份。。。
确保不出问题。今天有点儿懒,在看神仙小说。而且他们之前的做法有些不明白。
感觉美国人不能随便在中国领养,要么通过专门机构无选择抽签,要么回国两年收养亲戚小孩,那还是回到弟弟必须经过领养手续。那么当初为什么没这样做呢?
作弊里面,最容易的是她回去一年,假装生了一个,办后生孩子的身份,带回前捡的孩子。不过又得找医院托关系,这关有多难,我不知道楼主的情况。
第一步走错,之后一边办第二步,一边想不动声色地纠正第一步,比较困难。先纠正第一步的话,又得考虑清楚可以做第二步的铺垫。希望楼主可以自己好好琢磨一下领养这方面的知识,同时让弟弟在国内咨询一下,这种情况都有什么可能的途径,官方私方都打听清楚再做决定。
在美国一个人带孩子会很难的
Because she is a US citizen and both US and China are Hague Convention Countries, she has to follow Hague Convention Adoption process to adopt the child from China. So, the rule you cited does not apply to her case.
花钱,花时间,应该可以办出来。
过继给姐姐总可以吧?只是美国公民这一关怎么过是个问题,还是找专业咨询吧。不行就回国陪几年,然后作为监护人带出来。不过应该有办法领养过来。
基本上依據您的資料,"有人在我父母家门口遗弃了一个刚刚出生几天的婴儿", 你們 "....让这个孩子的身份落在我弟弟的户口上",
老貓不管你們在中國是如何走關係弄成這種情況,在法律上你們沒有經過正式的法律程序報警,協尋孩子的親生父母,同時正式經由正規管道收養這個孩子,基本上你們這是 child abduction , 這是 "kidnapping", 如果你參與任何計劃 detained and transported 這個孩子到美國,你基本上是犯下聯邦重罪
朋友,老貓不知道這個孩子的親生父母人在那裡,或是為什麼這樣做,但是這個案件真正顯示中國司法的無用與人民對於法律理解的無知,甚至於我們不知道這個孩子是否是綁匪丟包的結果,老貓的建議是希望你不要一錯再錯,不要考慮移民這個孩子來美,天下沒有完美的犯罪,如果你執意進行你所想要的,老貓的憂慮是終有一天你會面對你無法處理的情況,這時在這裡給予你"建議"˙朋友,沒有一個人有能力能夠助你脫困.
老貓主管這個論壇多年,這應該是少數幾次,老貓告訴求助的人不要一錯再錯...望您三思.
她的父母不要她。我们收养她。这样的故事几乎天天都有。她现在有一个爱她的家,我有一个心爱的女儿。这不是二全其美吗。一定要送到福利院被贩卖吗。你对中国大陆完全无知
很抱歉,看到您會如此回應,可瞭解你的心情,然而
她的父母不要她 ? (你並不知道真像,你如何知道棄養人事後改變想法確找不到人? )
我们收养她 (你們所走的程序根本不合法,所以法律上這個收養根本不成立)
这样的故事几乎天天都有 (誰告訴你的,不要告訴老貓中國沒有法律,任何人都可以為所欲為)
她现在有一个爱她的家 (法律上這不是她合法的家)
我有一个心爱的女儿 (大錯,法律上她不是你的女兒)
很抱歉,老貓是律師,是 court officer,老貓有責任無條件,100% 維護美國法律的完整性,這個部份,老貓無法因為你的情況做出任何改變,事實上您來這裡所提供的資料,如果真正執行,就已經觸犯美國的法律與國際上對於反制孩童綁架與 human trafficking 的任何國際公約,
沒有錯,老貓是对中国大陆完全无知,然而一個不變呃事實是你們這一家人所做的,不論是出於任何考慮,都是違法的行為,這是無法改變的,
同時請您想一想. 如果你的孩子被人綁走,事後被他人領養,視為己出,你發現之後會說什麼? 愛是盲目的,但是唯一保障不會愛傲越軌的是法律
同時日後如果生父母發現真相,進入司法程序,任何你們現在所做的,是否是出於愛並不重要,因為在法律上都視為無效
在美國,如果有人在我門前 放一個嬰兒,我會先通知警方,警方會找到父母,並以惡意的放棄 charge 他們 , social service will 決定誰能夠 adapt the 嬰兒 .
為什麼中國有這麼多奇怪的事情呢?
你只能按照海牙领养公约程序去领养这个孩子。
经验之谈:
1, 感情上亲近,疏远弟弟一家,因为弟弟和自己的孩子更亲近,或者其他原因,疏离你的孩子,
2,旅行签证来美国,申请领养手续。
整个过程1年到一年半,因为和你感情好,法官会派人来了解情况,几次上庭,问题不大。
我周围有一个案例已经顺利adopt成功,也是姐姐领养了弟弟的孩子,还是弟弟亲生的儿子,独苗儿子。
而你的案例,弟弟已经有二个亲生的孩子,你没有孩子,孩子和你感情亲近,基本完全没有问题。
希望可以帮助到你。
宝宝现在的确最爱我,和我父母。 现在问题是我宝宝已经两次被拒签来美。我都快得抑郁症了,为了她的事。现在是否只有我回国陪她两年,再领养。
宝宝非常健康活泼聪明可爱。
的事挺多的,而且,这个孩子是被遗弃的可能性估计是99%+,但,这不代表没有这孩子被偷又被扔的可能性。-- 说实话,我也没想到这个;估计这里看的几乎都没想到这种可能性。
我觉得你们还是找律师问问,怎么还原这个孩子的本来身份(这个也是为了你弟弟的孩子),查一下孩子是否真的是被父母遗弃,然后,走正常收养手续收养。孩子已经跟你们生活了一年多,真的是弃婴的话,国内应该不会不让你收养的。
你要是在公园看到一孩子找不到爹妈了,不会想到带回家养吧。即使是个婴儿,其性质是一样的,必须有法律手续。假设一下,女的生了男的不想养趁机扔了,或女的爹妈把宝宝扔了,不代表这孩子妈妈不要吧?你能不能说详细一点你们当时报警了吗,还是捡了然后说是弟弟的孩子上了户口?这故事有点匪夷所思。如果你说的都是事实,那你现在是在收养你弟弟的孩子。
你逗法律玩呢?
因为替姐姐收养这个弃婴,弟弟弟媳的老二(儿子)因此报不上户口。即使弟弟不说什么,弟媳能贤惠的不抗议吗?还全家把这孩子都当成心肝宝贝,不合常理啊。
等他们移民后,想办孩子出国,签证就是拿不下来,孩子一直在国内跟奶奶过,现在都18了。
法律意识深在骨髓, 学习了
但从来没办过亲属领养。他们只有孤儿院领养经历。
https://travel.state.gov/content/adoptionsabroad/en/adoption-process/who-can-adopt/adopting-a-relative-for-incoming-cases.html
做之前跟移民律师商量好
收费二百美元的。告诉我的却全是网上可查的信息。
楼主自己和家人都不知道孩子亲生父母是谁,怎么可能那么肯定这孩子是被亲生父母遗弃的?不论是百分之十或者二十的可能性,对孩子亲生父母来说都是终身的打击。这些有孩子送到眼前就决定两眼一摸黑认定孩子是人家父母丢弃的人,正是国内绑架孩子猖獗的重要原因之一。
何况你已和孩子建立了感情,但正如老猫所言,不能一错再错,对的起自己和孩子的做法是遵守法律,无论表面文章还是实质,都做到合法合理,光明磊落。法律也是考虑人之常情的,这件事不要有所隐瞒,如果需要接受处罚也是主动接受,相信会有一个满意的结果。
楼主38岁仍然可以嫁人生子,即使不结婚也一样可以自己生个孩子,再不济通过正宗渠道堂堂正正去中国领养一个。搞成现在这个样子太难收拾残局了。
https://travel.state.gov/content/adoptionsabroad/en/adoption-process/who-can-adopt/adopting-a-relative-for-incoming-cases.html
U.S. citizens wishing to adopt a related child abroad and petition for that child to immigrate to the United States following the adoption generally must proceed in the same way as non-relative prospective adoptive parents. U.S. immigration law provides three different processes through which a child may immigrate on the basis of an adoption: Convention process, Non-Convention process, and immediate relative petition process. A child may immigrate under one of these provisions only if the adoption meets all the requirements of that specific process. You can learn more about the eligibility requirements by viewing our web page, “Who can be Adopted.
Hague Convention ProcessA child adopted from a Hague Convention country must qualify as a Convention adoptee under U.S. immigration law and the adopting parent(s) generally must follow the Hague Adoption Convention process. This process will involve filing a Form I-800A, Application for Determination of Suitability to Adopt a Child from a Convention Country, and a Form I-800, Petition to Classify Convention Adoptee as an Immediate Relative. In general, the Form I-800 must be filed before the child’s 16th birthday unless an exception applies.
Non-Hague Convention Process (“Orphan”):A child adopted from a non-Convention country must qualify as an orphanunder U.S. immigration law and the adopting parent(s) generally must follow the orphan process. This process will generally involve filing a Form I-600A, Application for Advance Processing of an Orphan Petition, and a Form I-600, Petition to Classify Orphan as an Immediate Relative. In general, the Form I-600 must be filed before the child’s 16th birthday unless an exception applies.
Immediate Relative Petition process:To be eligible to receive an immigrant visa through the immediate relative process, the child must have been adopted while under the age of 16 (or be the natural sibling of such a child, adopted by the same parents as his or her sibling while under the age of 18). In addition, the I-130 immediate relative process under INA 101(b)(1)(E) requires the child to have been in the legal custody of, and resided with, the adoptive parent(s) for at least two years prior to filing the I-130 petition. If the child is or was habitually resident in a Hague Convention country prior to the adoption and the adoption occurred on or after April 1, 2008, the two-year legal custody and physical residency period generally must be satisfied outside the United States in order for the Form I-130 to be approvable. The rules for this immigration process are discussed in greater detail on the USCIS website at the following link.
Please note that for adoptions involving a Convention country, the Convention and U.S. law and regulations implementing the Convention generally prohibit prior contact between prospective adoptive parents and the child’s parents or legal guardian. However, this prohibition does not apply if the child and the prospective adoptive parents are relatives.