Opst, NVDA 112-108 ratio put + 104 Put, $0 credit...

三心三意
楼主 (文学城)

这个组和完全不会亏啊, 给看一下。。。。

三心三意
不知道我是不是miss 什么了
老夏新生
free 的蝴蝶啊
三心三意
同样道里, AVGO 170-160 (1:2)+ 150 put, $0 credit
三心三意
I know, going to load it up :)
三心三意
老夏帮我看看,我没miss 什么吧?
老夏新生
你是抄底买的ratio然后反弹之后买的第三腿104?否则直接买蝴蝶会有一个不大的premium
三心三意
No, i can enter this literally now...
三心三意
There is 40 cents premium which is nothing
老夏新生
go for it .... free, nothing to lose 啊
云起千百度
如果这个组合赚,NVDA股票要跌多少?
三心三意
跌的越多,赚的越多:)
老夏新生
40分也是钱啊, 虽然不到5 毛。这么小的蝴蝶获利的概率也小所以才便宜
三心三意
Technically, you only make $4 at NVDA 108, but....

If NVDA drops to 80, your 3rd put will 100% cover the drop, so, you essentailly have a free ride on the down side with zero risk

老夏新生
108赚最多, 104-112之间都赚 - premium, 之外损失premium
三心三意
104 以下loss 40cents, 但是股票可以一直拿住吧 (covered by 3rd put)
美心
What are the expiration dates? Thanks!
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QQQ2074
什么时候的? 我用四月底的要一些钱。一般来说这个年头不可能有free lunch
云起千百度
你是hedge的高手,我看了一段时间,对于hedge得失我的想法,请指正
三心三意
4/11
三心三意
No, this is not hedge. This is to accumulate.

I sold the short term NVDA I bought @110 at 120

Initially was thinking of buying back today, but I saw opst's post yesterday, maybe using this is much safer to accumulate. I already have a lot of NVDA

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QQQ2074
我的中点数据显示要$0.5, 实际买的话可能0.6
三心三意
As for general hedge startegy ...

You are correct. If stock does drop, hedge always makes less money than selling stock directly.

However, there is no guarantee that stock will drop for sure, and even if you sell and stock did drop, there is no guarantee that you could buy it back later. 

Hedge removes these uncertainty

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QQQ2074
hedge的两大核心:磨平曲线,靠波动赚钱
三心三意
Yes, 50 cents now, was 41 cents earlier. No difference
云起千百度
谢谢分享,这是降低仓位成本,而增加了总仓位,说明你还是坚信NVDA,

因为NVDA如果再跌,股数越多跌的越多。

云起千百度
谢谢分享!用在指数的积累上是个好办法
三心三意
yeah, 如果NVDA跌,新加的仓位literally free
云起千百度
我应该学会这个方法积累QQQ和SPY
老夏新生
有钱任性 LOL
三心三意
如果亮线这样accumulate TSLA, 他的均价可能是250以下,LOL
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opst
balanced butterfly不可能free啊,估计会有bid/ask gap,fill不了
三心三意
40 to 50 cents
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opst
ok. then make sense
三心三意
对了,如果对股票没信心了,肯定不能用hedge。要直接清仓
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dancingpig
是的,尤其这个蝴蝶翅膀特窄
三心三意
Yeah,was more thinking to accumulate rather than ...
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QQQ2074
Butterfly 怎么 用来accumulate stocks ?
三心三意
In this example, if NVDA drops to 90 ...

You will be assigned at 108, but your 3rd put position will protect all the drops from 104-90, so you get stocks for free

From 104 to 108, you are also covered by the spread profit from 112-108.

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cnrhm2017
3xing 做的非常对,非常看好女大,但要压低买价
三心三意
I think this will work great with elliot wave theory

For example, it was very clear Tesla was going through correction cycle. I posted several wave charts early in Dec and Jan for this. I think this method is perfect during the correction cycle of elliot wave to accumulate stocks

老夏新生
如果跌倒90, 你不会被assigned,+ 104 + 112 - 108 -108 = 0 需要自己下单买入
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QQQ2074
It’s not free. It’s you can buy at $90, right?
三心三意
That's what i mean... compared to buy today at 110

You get a free ride to however low NVDA could be by 4/11

三心三意
Of course stock itself will not be free
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cnrhm2017
同意,sell put 是看好nvda,但是看好短期下跌风险
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bogbog
谢谢分享