ZT 今天发的TSLA估值模型

桃花源里人家
谢谢很详细的分析。如果按照保守分析的话,好像和目前的股价比起来,没有多数增长啊。
三心三意
那个保守分析?EV only or RobTaxi included?

EV only number there is not for investment, but serves as an absolute baseline, for the scenario if market crash, you want to buy "aggressively" if you see TSLA at 160.

For me, investment theory is based on "RoboTaxi included" scenario. For people who do not believe TSLA can realize RoboTaxi, they should not buy TSLA stock

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BrightLine
what about Robots? or other AI ?
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QQQ2074
你懂的真多
三心三意
I can't estimate robotics. It is too far fetched.
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BrightLine
Tesla has too much data - the AI potential should be big...
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LIZAR
谢谢三心网友的分享!感觉还有一个项目很有潜力,就是energy generation and storage

三心三意
Agree. Consider this as "conservative" :)

As investors, we can focus on key metrics that TSLA delivers and make adjustment to our model

For now, I think the EV model is well understood, so, we just need to monitor is growth rate and magrin percentage --- with their Model Y refresh and low cost model coming next year, I am relatively confortable about EV estimate

For RoboTaxi, we finally have some info from Tsla regardling timeline. So, I would watch closely if they can indeed roll-out in CA and Texas in limited availability in 2025. If they can do this, I am confident about my estimate of $12B revenue by 2029 (only 1/10th of Uber+Lyft biz)

Once we have more data from Tesla on Optimus, we can adjust its earning model (and hopefully it is much higher, lol)

三心三意
Yes, energy is already estimated in this model

See the column where it says "Energe as % of Gross profit". Basically, this model assume Tesla continue to grow its energe business and its contribution to the operating income keeps going higher

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LIZAR
Indeed. Sorry I missed it :)
桃花源里人家
谷歌那个Wymo 不是一直运行吗?特斯拉的无人出租会有极大不同? 感觉这个东西过多的受限于地区法律法规,不容易扩张业务。
三心三意
Waymo 陈本太大。 技术有了,但商业模式不存在。

Waymo 2024 revenue is less than $100M but cost is in the billions. The hardwrae cost for autonomus driving in a single Waymo car is estimated to be $150k to $200K. Even if they can lower the hardware cost, the operation cost is also high (for high-def map).

Tesla FSD already has $300M revenue in Q3. Once Tesla break through on its technology, the earning multiple can grow exponetially. 

Of course, there is always a risk that Tesla can never solve the technology challenge. But if Elon can call back a flying rocket to its launch base, I am going to bet along with Elon rather than Sundar Pitchai.

It is like would you bet along with Steve jobs or Steve Ballmer in 2005?

 

 

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niy38
谢谢! 真有货????
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niy38
真有货!!!
月光寶盒
还是轻资产软件公司安全

Google, META, MSFT.

一位G家insider说砍一半都没问题。也没有很多fixed asset, supply chain issues. 一裁员PEG马上下来。

TSLA如果需要提高产能,不得不投资大量fixed assets。 廋身时,不得不write off.

三心三意
yes, risk is definitely there
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BrightLine
Consider Tesla is Internet of Things, huge potential
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parentb
直至今天为止,还没有看出特斯拉的Robot具有取代人来工作的能力。
三心三意
That is why I haven't included it in this model
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HenryLi
你水平相当高。但是我这个股龄没几年的人还是感觉到预测个股实在是太难了,打个比方你里面说的情况都非常正确,但是一旦有什么

Geopolitical 的情况或者啥黑天鹅事件出来,整个股票的走向会跟预测的完全不一样。

三心三意
这只是估值。当然还要管理风险。
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BrightLine
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