喏,给你对比一下有pty 到CVX 历史新高的对比

福虎
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福虎
再扣除pty 每年多交的税,pty累计 总回报率,差的不是一点十点!嘿嘿嘿嘿
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HappyWed
用的哪个website
三心三意
What is your point????

Wyy are you acting like a baby? I could also show a period where PTY is highest in history

As I said, the purpose is to show other people, not you (we all know you love CVX), the consistent performance over a long period of time. And they can make their choice. 

福虎
福虎跟你的想法一样。也是无聊!好吧,谢谢你的分享!
福虎
在特定的时间段,pty 跑不赢spy ,在特定的时间段,,pty 比spy 好!如果不考虑税率的话。
三心三意
No one give a damn about that, ok,?
三心三意
Geeze, what a baby!
福虎
没有人会反对你的二十年,十年的回报率!给个二十二年就批倒了你的结论了吧?再有十年二十年呢,能保证pty 比spy 好?
三心三意
很显然,你是吃饱了撑得闲的慌。Bye Bye
越王剑
福虎同学,energy sector is significantly under perform this year

而且是在中东和欧洲都有战争的情况下。最近美元也不强。连黄金都涨的不错。原油YTD 2%. Brend, negative. 

前景不妙啊。

福虎
你看看,这是华人精英口中或笔下该出现的词语嘛?嘿嘿嘿嘿,福虎老了,你年纪还小!LOL
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happy_man
if right now, I will buy PTY
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QinHwang
还是和房子比有意思

5米油股: 一年18万分红(扣除税收)

5米房子净值:一年房租纯收入肯定高于25万

 

福虎
萝卜白菜,各有所爱!嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿
福虎
教授,你刚睡醒?嘿嘿嘿嘿嘿
福虎
你问问你们地主坛,现在投资5米买房,谁敢保证25万纯利!?
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hhtt
我有些好奇这PTY是怎么给10%红利的?现在企业债券应该没有给10%的?是不是PTY投的是高风险的垃圾债券?
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QinHwang
看你什么时候买的。
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hz82000
它家挺有名的
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hhtt
怎么你的价又涨啦?不是说20万吗?还是秋天要去欧洲,今年要多花5万?
福虎
你这不是抬杠嘛?我今天买5米CVX ,明年保证净分红22万!你今天买5米房,你敢保证?
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hhtt
不能因为有名,而放松警惕?投资不能就看回报,要知道你投的是什么东西?风险大小?不能就像Madoff那样?
福虎
教授说5米房净租金25万!哎呀哎呀哎呀
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xebbk
请教这种投资BBB级债券的,风险还行吗?可以长期拿着作为现金配置吗?谢谢!
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QinHwang
现在投五米当然赚不了25万。
福虎
那还说啥?嘿嘿嘿嘿
三心三意
PTY is managed by Pimco

PTY is managed by PIMCO. Purely fom investment strategy perspective, they are not much different from other income funds, which means they are primarily investing in government bond, corporate bond, CMBS, Muni, MBS, etc. They use leverage just like many other high-yield income fund, which means higher risk.

However, PIMCO is considered as one of the best, if not the best, asset management firm. I have a few PIMCO CEFS (closed end fund), but only mention PTY here due to its 20 years consistent performance (never cut dividend in 20+ years of history), with arguably the best fund management team on the market. 

PIMCO also has other CEFs that give even higher yield but I dont feel comfortable mentioning them due to their shorter history

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QinHwang
你的油股是净值,也必须用房子净值比较才有意义。这不是说我有五米净值,也从来没细算过。
越王剑
Bond king Bill Gross已经退休了吧?
三心三意
Yeah, he has
三心三意
看看下面回帖是否有帮助。
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QinHwang
这么说我要把五米放CD, 也有20多万利息。干吗买房?长远来说,只要别买在高点,同样数目投资,房租比股息高很多。
福虎
对啊!福虎所以不买房啊!头发基本上没少也没白多少!嘿嘿嘿嘿
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QinHwang
头发多少黑白与否是遗传决定的,与买不买房无关。
福虎
谁说的,聪明的脑袋不长毛!与聪明不聪明太有关系!LOL
自了汉
一半是Junk Bond,还有杠杆,turnover 挺高

https://www.morningstar.com/cefs/xnys/pty/portfolio

估计他们有一套高抛低吸的算法。

Fixed Income Measures Investment Category Average
Effective Duration 3.52 4.21
Modified Duration 3.52 4.33
Effective Maturity 7.25 7.32
Avg Credit Rating (surveyed) BB+ BBB
Weighted Coupon 8.25 5.64
Weighted Price 84.53 95.66
Yield to Maturity 10.41 7.02
自了汉
买pty的缺点就是常年有很高的premium

当然管理费高也忍了,他们可能真有什么诀窍,能够常年超过被动基金。

三心三意
Yes, PTY's premium to NAV is among highest in industry

This is due to its flagship position and investors over the years have been paying a premium. It has come down over last year compared to its historical average due to Fed tightining.

As for management fee, consider it as operating cost of running the fund. You still get 10% dividend as distribution is paid and calculated after they take out operating expenses (including management fee) from the income.

Of course, you could argue that if the management fee is lower, you would have had higher dividend payout, but 10% is already pretty good

自了汉
PTY 有很多 not rated, 跟investment grade 的债券基金比不大公平
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wxc9807
那是加州,投5米赚25万是啥难的吗?你太小看地主了

地主大佬纯5%还做不到?你就老盯着秦王,他那地方房子死贵,现金流就不如以前好。不用比,适合自己的就好。
多写的有营养的贴,既然退休了就该enjoy,咋活得更好,活得有智慧,大家都跟你学

自了汉
谢谢解释,我去年买了PDO,表现可能不如PTY,但是premium低很多
三心三意
要对BDC 持警慎态度。他们现在处于历史高位。而且降息其实对他们不利
三心三意
All PIMCO funds have high premium

But PIMCO never cut divident in any of their CEFs. Hence market is demanding a premium on their CEFs

What is more important is how current premium is compared to their historical average. 

I am not familiar with PDO, but I hold PDI and PCN. However, these CEFS have less history than PTY so I dont want to talk about them

自了汉
这个好像不合常理, 降息对所有高负债公司都是利好

所有公司都能喘口气了。

您是指他们生意会少?

自了汉
确实也不便宜,谢谢提醒
三心三意
BDC主要赢利是借贷给资金困难营业不强的中小企业。高利率情况下这些公司只能在BDC这里拿到贷款
三心三意
现在降息,那些公司有更多的融资渠道。同时,credit spread会缩小,进一步压缩BDC贏利空間
三心三意
这也是为什么BDC是少有的几个行业在联偖升息的这一年半普遍股票上涨的原因
三心三意
当然降息刺激经济,所以很多公司会寻求贷款发展。这是利好。不过性价比我更看好REIT and CEF
自了汉
谢谢详细解释,BDC公司最近这个加息周期表现是不错